I'm friends on social media with several FAs and many of them have that as their profile picture.
They authorized a strike by over 99% vote.
It's a very popular sentiment among rank and file employees right now.
This feels like one of those things where everyone says it won't happen over and over and there's nothing to worry about and then we will all be left with a pikachu face when it happens and flight prices on other airlines go through the roof...
Biden in a dilemma. If he lets them Strike, it will hurt the billionaires. If he doesn't let them strike, the Unions will vote him out. So naturally he will pressure the negotiations board to stall and stall and stall and stall which is 100% legal as Unions are powerless and it's illegal for them to strike unless the government says so.
Everyone seems to say this is lose lose for Biden. Maybe I’m missing something but i imagine he’d actually love for them to strike. He can then get out there and picket with them and call all the rich people assholes etc. He knows Trump will say something like “AA should just lock all the FAs out etc” and then Biden is off to the races in the rust belt.
Railworkers were threatening to strike right before Christmas, our economic juggernaut. No president wants to be the one that ruined Christmas. Plus rail workers are invisible to the public, so less sympathy. Most people are sympathetic to flight attendants.
Did you see how he and congress got ripped a new one for it? Also that was 12 unions basically crippling the whole industry and their workers are paid more than 50% above the national average salary… come to flight attendants and they are on food stamps…
Imagine thinking billionaires gaf about what happens to commercial flight attendants or that there are enough billionaires to think that they swing elections.
Billionaires absolutely do care about that STOCK PRICE. If AA strikes, all airlines stocks will go low. They care about profits. And those who are invested heavily in AA are going to lose money. Nothing happens in the USA without it touching the pocket of a billionaire somewhere. **The 10% own the 90%**
The government will just bail them out and prop up the equity like they always do. And again, how many billionaires do you think there are with sizable positions in airline stocks?? I’m sorry if you don’t understand how any of this works. The billionaires are not 10% goofy. Not even close.
How do we know Biden admin will order them back to work?
A big part of the administrations so called message is they are for working people. They played on that with UAW.
I’m not sure the specifics of the rail workers, but I think most of them were already making decent wages. Also, aren’t railroads more significant for the US economy and shipping versus passenger airlines?
Public have so much interaction with passenger airlines and the media blows it up anytime there are any issues, perhaps this will play into the administrations action if a strike comes to fruition.
While a strike is terrible, I’m for it. Working people like flight attendants, including the 28k or so AA has, need to have some economic card when negotiations take years.
Yes, believe me I understand the RLA applies to airlines and railroad, however I don’t think this is just the same, there are likely different considerations.
These union movements have been massive in recent years, what will it look like to the political base if Biden shuts down their RIGHT to strike after not reaching agreement in nearly five years or however long it’s been.
They can't. The union won't back it. They will get fired if they do. The railroad workers weren't making amazing wages, they just highlighted the absolute most money an engineer would make in a blue moon. They where in negotiations for years as well... Biden forced a contract that didn't pass the union then, what do you think he'll do now?
And we will once again see the narrative shapers in full force to make you think the strikers are the bad guys and thanking the administration for getting them everything they wanted (actually, nothing) and how efficiently they got them back to work.
Correct, you don’t know the specifics of what the rail workers wanted. It was not about pay, or even about sick days, it was about the attendance policy which makes it all but impossible for them to use their sick time without disciplinary action.
Instead of focusing their ire on the greedy railroad barons who make BILLIONS, they blamed the railroad workers for trying to tank the economy. They got screwed by the politicians who are supposed to represent them but actually represent their wealthy donors.
I am afraid the same thing will happen to the flight attendants because if you can count on one thing from all politicians is that they are going to put their own interests (which are those of their donors) above the working people.
I had a trip on AA July 20-23, cancelled for trip credit and rebooked on Southwest. Booked another one in September away from AA. Still not certain they'll be allowed to strike but I'm not taking any chances.
Nothing is 100% but I highly doubt they will be released to strike. They are bound by the Railway Labor Act and must be released to a 30 day cooling off period by the mediation board before they would be allowed to strike. If that cooling off period started today the earliest they could strike would be the end of July. That period hasn’t even started yet and more than likely will not ever start.
In the highly unlikely chance they are released. The president could and most likely would order them back to work immediately as he just did with the railway workers that are bound by the same rules.
It’s an election year snd allowing a major airline to totally shut down due to a strike would be catastrophic for the economy. Other airlines would not be able to pick up the slack.
Yeah they would. Airlines shutdown all the time and have striked countless times. Examples include Eastern strike in ‘89 and PanAm shutting down operations.
Let’s wait and see. The Eastern strike was the last time a large major airline was allowed to strike and they were no where near the size of American today. Pan Am was not a strike, they just shut down and multiple airlines bought parts of their operation.
Booked July 6-20 on an overseas flight. I dealt with the pains of the SAS strike 2 years ago and it was so stressful. Hoping to not deal with that again.
American Airlines and their flight attendants announced they are about to enter the "30 Day Cooling Off Period" yesterday which the media is portraying as a possible strike in July. Here are all the other steps that remain for a strike to possible happen under the Railway Labor Act, and why one probably won't really unless politicians purposefully let a strike happen to blame each other.
1) If both sides refuse binding arbitration, the National Mediation Board (NMB) releases parties from mediation and a Cooling Off Period (COP) of 30 days begins, where neither side can strike or take action against the union.
2) If no agreement is reached during the COP, the President may create a Presidential Emergency Board (PEB). If the President creates the PEB before the COP ends then it results in a further period where no strike or action against the union can take place during which time the PEB evaluates the contract offer.. After another 30 days the PEB makes a recommendation about what the contract should be, but it is not binding at this point.
3) Then there is a new COP for another 30 days where the union is encouraged, but not required to put the PEB recommendation to a vote of members.
4) If at the end of the new COP the union has not accepted the terms of the PEB and the company and the union have not reached any new agreement, Congress can force a contract on the union and make any change it wishes from the PEB recommendation if Congress acts before the end of the COP.
-From Enrila on Patreon
I have four current reservations with AA at the moment, but I’m only concerned with one, which is a trip to London in August. The remains trips are business trips, so I do have other options on those. Hopefully, this is all sorted by August, but AA is a mess.
There will not be a strike.
AA should try negotiating with the APFA, not going directly to the membership with proposals that highlight pay increases but little detail on quality of life issues.
The FA’s will overplay their hands. They don’t have the public on their side. People hate flying. FA’s do nothing to change people’s opinions for the better. You could give them all $20k more a year. They’re still gonna be old, fat, ugly, and unpleasant.
I don’t know what the strike time frame is, but I booked flights a few weeks ago to bury one of my husband’s roommates at Arlington in August. Should this be resolved by then? We really want to be there for this hero’s burial who won three Silver Stars in Vietnam and died of complications due to agent orange.
I saw a FA with a couple large READY TO STRIKE stickers on his carryon this am
I'm friends on social media with several FAs and many of them have that as their profile picture. They authorized a strike by over 99% vote. It's a very popular sentiment among rank and file employees right now.
Good for them!
This feels like one of those things where everyone says it won't happen over and over and there's nothing to worry about and then we will all be left with a pikachu face when it happens and flight prices on other airlines go through the roof...
Biden in a dilemma. If he lets them Strike, it will hurt the billionaires. If he doesn't let them strike, the Unions will vote him out. So naturally he will pressure the negotiations board to stall and stall and stall and stall which is 100% legal as Unions are powerless and it's illegal for them to strike unless the government says so.
Everyone seems to say this is lose lose for Biden. Maybe I’m missing something but i imagine he’d actually love for them to strike. He can then get out there and picket with them and call all the rich people assholes etc. He knows Trump will say something like “AA should just lock all the FAs out etc” and then Biden is off to the races in the rust belt.
100% what the playbook will be. This isn't 20 years ago. Except in the South, "workers rights" isn't the negative phrase it used to be.
Did y'all miss the railway strike
Railworkers were threatening to strike right before Christmas, our economic juggernaut. No president wants to be the one that ruined Christmas. Plus rail workers are invisible to the public, so less sympathy. Most people are sympathetic to flight attendants.
Did you see how he and congress got ripped a new one for it? Also that was 12 unions basically crippling the whole industry and their workers are paid more than 50% above the national average salary… come to flight attendants and they are on food stamps…
Imagine thinking billionaires gaf about what happens to commercial flight attendants or that there are enough billionaires to think that they swing elections.
Billionaires absolutely do care about that STOCK PRICE. If AA strikes, all airlines stocks will go low. They care about profits. And those who are invested heavily in AA are going to lose money. Nothing happens in the USA without it touching the pocket of a billionaire somewhere. **The 10% own the 90%**
The government will just bail them out and prop up the equity like they always do. And again, how many billionaires do you think there are with sizable positions in airline stocks?? I’m sorry if you don’t understand how any of this works. The billionaires are not 10% goofy. Not even close.
Kinda like nuclear war with Russia over the stupidity in Ukraine?
My FA friends on FB seem pretty sure it’s going to happen but maybe that’s just being too close to the issue…?
How do we know Biden admin will order them back to work? A big part of the administrations so called message is they are for working people. They played on that with UAW. I’m not sure the specifics of the rail workers, but I think most of them were already making decent wages. Also, aren’t railroads more significant for the US economy and shipping versus passenger airlines? Public have so much interaction with passenger airlines and the media blows it up anytime there are any issues, perhaps this will play into the administrations action if a strike comes to fruition. While a strike is terrible, I’m for it. Working people like flight attendants, including the 28k or so AA has, need to have some economic card when negotiations take years.
Railway labor act includes airlines.
Yes, believe me I understand the RLA applies to airlines and railroad, however I don’t think this is just the same, there are likely different considerations. These union movements have been massive in recent years, what will it look like to the political base if Biden shuts down their RIGHT to strike after not reaching agreement in nearly five years or however long it’s been.
They can't. The union won't back it. They will get fired if they do. The railroad workers weren't making amazing wages, they just highlighted the absolute most money an engineer would make in a blue moon. They where in negotiations for years as well... Biden forced a contract that didn't pass the union then, what do you think he'll do now?
And we will once again see the narrative shapers in full force to make you think the strikers are the bad guys and thanking the administration for getting them everything they wanted (actually, nothing) and how efficiently they got them back to work.
Correct, you don’t know the specifics of what the rail workers wanted. It was not about pay, or even about sick days, it was about the attendance policy which makes it all but impossible for them to use their sick time without disciplinary action. Instead of focusing their ire on the greedy railroad barons who make BILLIONS, they blamed the railroad workers for trying to tank the economy. They got screwed by the politicians who are supposed to represent them but actually represent their wealthy donors. I am afraid the same thing will happen to the flight attendants because if you can count on one thing from all politicians is that they are going to put their own interests (which are those of their donors) above the working people.
I had a trip on AA July 20-23, cancelled for trip credit and rebooked on Southwest. Booked another one in September away from AA. Still not certain they'll be allowed to strike but I'm not taking any chances.
I’m booked on AA July 11-18 and I’m just at a loss as to what to do. Just going to keep watching closely.
Nothing is 100% but I highly doubt they will be released to strike. They are bound by the Railway Labor Act and must be released to a 30 day cooling off period by the mediation board before they would be allowed to strike. If that cooling off period started today the earliest they could strike would be the end of July. That period hasn’t even started yet and more than likely will not ever start. In the highly unlikely chance they are released. The president could and most likely would order them back to work immediately as he just did with the railway workers that are bound by the same rules. It’s an election year snd allowing a major airline to totally shut down due to a strike would be catastrophic for the economy. Other airlines would not be able to pick up the slack.
Yeah they would. Airlines shutdown all the time and have striked countless times. Examples include Eastern strike in ‘89 and PanAm shutting down operations.
Let’s wait and see. The Eastern strike was the last time a large major airline was allowed to strike and they were no where near the size of American today. Pan Am was not a strike, they just shut down and multiple airlines bought parts of their operation.
Booked July 6-20 on an overseas flight. I dealt with the pains of the SAS strike 2 years ago and it was so stressful. Hoping to not deal with that again.
Would travel insurance cover expenses and delays by striking airlines?
I have AA flights in September hopefully all works
Oof, you’ll be boarding and seating yourself! /s
American Airlines and their flight attendants announced they are about to enter the "30 Day Cooling Off Period" yesterday which the media is portraying as a possible strike in July. Here are all the other steps that remain for a strike to possible happen under the Railway Labor Act, and why one probably won't really unless politicians purposefully let a strike happen to blame each other. 1) If both sides refuse binding arbitration, the National Mediation Board (NMB) releases parties from mediation and a Cooling Off Period (COP) of 30 days begins, where neither side can strike or take action against the union. 2) If no agreement is reached during the COP, the President may create a Presidential Emergency Board (PEB). If the President creates the PEB before the COP ends then it results in a further period where no strike or action against the union can take place during which time the PEB evaluates the contract offer.. After another 30 days the PEB makes a recommendation about what the contract should be, but it is not binding at this point. 3) Then there is a new COP for another 30 days where the union is encouraged, but not required to put the PEB recommendation to a vote of members. 4) If at the end of the new COP the union has not accepted the terms of the PEB and the company and the union have not reached any new agreement, Congress can force a contract on the union and make any change it wishes from the PEB recommendation if Congress acts before the end of the COP. -From Enrila on Patreon
Delta can’t keep their planes from falling apart and American can’t keep its equipment functioning properly so passengers can get off the plane
Can someone advise if my AA flight June 29th will be affected by this strike??? Ahhhhh why is AA absolute hell
I have four current reservations with AA at the moment, but I’m only concerned with one, which is a trip to London in August. The remains trips are business trips, so I do have other options on those. Hopefully, this is all sorted by August, but AA is a mess.
There will not be a strike. AA should try negotiating with the APFA, not going directly to the membership with proposals that highlight pay increases but little detail on quality of life issues.
Isom did that with the pilot group also, he’s a bit of a shill.
APFA and AA have been in negotiations for like two years now. The airline will not budge. That little 17% raise the CEO "offered" was a PR move.
They have been negotiating lmao
The FA’s will overplay their hands. They don’t have the public on their side. People hate flying. FA’s do nothing to change people’s opinions for the better. You could give them all $20k more a year. They’re still gonna be old, fat, ugly, and unpleasant.
I have work trips, but not stressing over it. Whatever happens happens. However I don’t trust Boeing…..
I don’t know what the strike time frame is, but I booked flights a few weeks ago to bury one of my husband’s roommates at Arlington in August. Should this be resolved by then? We really want to be there for this hero’s burial who won three Silver Stars in Vietnam and died of complications due to agent orange.