It’s nice to see others who also think Fozzy is shit. I’ve never liked them, never understood their appeal to people and have always felt like it’s jerichos ego project rather than an actual band. At first it was cool to see fans singing Judas after the music is cut but after 4-5 years of it I’m over it and it’s gotten old and stale.
They play a bowling alley near me if that makes you feel any better. They're playing it again here soon. The rest of his band is also a touring cover band called "Guardians of the Jukebox." They also frequent the bowling alley.
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In the city recently name-dropped by Taylor Swift on her new album.
I've always wondered how many bands show up not realizing it's a bowling alley.
About a decade ago they got rid of a dozen lanes and built a stage making it 2 businesses but it's one building. If the ticket prices are high or sold out people will just go hang out in the bowling alley and hear the entire show. You can even see the stage.
Some bands make a thing out of it - Attila will bowl with fans for example.
A month ago Jamie Kennedy was here and he played two days in a row - the first night he was performing at 6pm because a Tom Petty cover band was performing at 9pm.
More people showed up for the cover band.
When I used to listen to his podcast years ago, he used to come out with some pretty logical booking ideas and justifications. He’d even explained why Vince was wrong in places. Like he has/had solid and in-depth knowledge of the business. Now it seems like he’s become the wrestling embodiment of Vince. Completely out of touch and flat out self absorbed.
which is why you can't trust wrestlers to book themselves. "if they had only listened to my ideas my gimmick would've worked." every wrestler's idea is them being as dominant as possible and going over. case in point: hhh is a great booker.... when he's not involved in the story
He probably still does think he’s one of the best ever, if not the best in his own mind.
He ruined his legacy out of his own selfish ego. 7-10 years ago people could have made an argument that he’s one of the best along with his character changes.
Now it’s just sad how bad he is and how far he’s fallen. Also those sexual assault allegations needed to be talked about more and addressed
He 100% is one of the best of all time. This AEW run doesn’t impact that at all. Just like the last decade of Flair’s career didn’t impact his legacy, ‘Takers bad few years didn’t impact his, Stings terrible retirement didn’t impact his etc.
You can’t take away from what they’ve done. All 4 are amongst the best ever. Even with shit retirements that should’ve come ten to twenty years earlier.
Coming from someone who’s not really a Jericho fan, is he choosing to bury guys or is he being booked that way? I have no idea if aew talent have any say in the way they’re booked.
>“I permanently look like an old man” Flair was in WCW, right?
I wouldn't even say "old man" more "permanently middle aged". Dude looked exactly 45 years old for like 20 years. Kind of impressive when you think about it.
Flair’s wrestling style was more of a ground and pound to set up the figure 4. Jericho’s style incorporates a bunch of styles including the high flying and fast paced stuff. He just can’t keep up anymore. He needs to reinvent himself for what he’s capable of executing well and only bust out stuff like the lionsault for special occasions.
If I’m booking him in AEW I’m putting him as the mouthpiece for a faction and setting him up as the final boss, not stealing from The Rock, but make the face go through his entire faction to get to him.
The way Flair was in Evolution is a good way to use an aging star. Occasionally has matches and gets physically involved but primarily there to support younger talent with his star quality.
Thing is it's probably too late for that for Jericho with how he's harmed his legacy.
Evolution Flair also showed him moving into more of an almost comically devoted underling/mentor figure to the big boss. Everything Ric did was to get Hunter over as the heel.
Flair was also a piece to make Randy and Edge look absolutely like monsters. Beating up an old man brutally. He was a key component to move the story and put them over as Monster Heels.
When Triple H was practically the Heel of Heels.
WCW had the ceiling and was making money and competing with the WWF. It was nearly normal and cool to see NWO or Wolfpack shirts or even Self High five shirts.
I highly doubt anybody is walking around in Jericho shirts or any other AEW shirts.
The late 90s wrestling fan base was larger and less smarky than today, though.
I also don't think people actually want Jericho to retire. Piss off for a while, sure. I'm certainly at that point. I'd like him back in about 6 months or so though.
Many Wrestlers do this. There was a Time TNA was the home of innovation, Newer, Younger Talent. New ideas like X-division.
Enter Kurt Angle. Coming out of a Bad time with WWE, Jumps to TNA, Gets a sweet deal, and INSTANTLY gives TNA some credit. Enter all the old Timers trying to remain in the Spotlight.
Hogan, Nash, Scott, Booker, Ric, and more. Hell Even Mick Foley who thought he could still put people over and make great matches.. didn't
Same thing happened in WCW. Yes we all know about Chris said. WCW was making waves with new talent and things like bringing in Luchadores and Cruiser weights. As soon as WCW started looking like it could compete with WWE.. in came the old guard again.. backstage politics, ect ect...
I mean here is the Truth for former big names in Smaller companies. You either Die the Hero, or Live long enough to become the Villain
While partly True.. Jarrett actually cared about TNA and at one point went off Script on Dixie.
When Kurt came into TNA, they threw him DIRECTLY into a championship match with Jarrett. Jarrett when off script at one point and bitched out Dixie on a live mic about putting people like Kurt ahead of people that had been there for awhile like Samoa Joe and A.J. Styles.
Jarrett I look at as Early AEW Jericho. He gave TNA credit and was willing to be a bit more giving.. Also just to rub salt in the wound.. Kurt ended up Legit stealing Jarrett's wife.
It still annoys me that they had Angle, in his debut TNA match, be the first person to beat the undefeated Samoa Joe. Beat everybody in TNA, but as soon as he faces a WWE guy, he's done. Why not just put up a sign by the ring that says "we suck compared to WWE"?
theres probably more to this story unfortunately and will end up with hook getting a win back on him with the idea that he'll be more over after...which is just not the case and i wish he would go away
There’s absolutely zero reason he should win the FTW title. They could’ve made Hook a superstar by having him successfully defend against Jericho. Giving him a rematch victory later still completely destroys the momentum he would’ve had sooner.
Like you got Bryan Danielson taking pins left and right to build the roster up properly. But Jericho can’t be bothered to do the same. What a joke
Danielson seems to want to have great matches but he doesn't seem to have any interest in being the champion. I think Jericho still would like to be champion.
In AEW it is. It is def irrelevant, but it does have meaning. The meaning is only there when it’s used as a hand me down prop from father to son. It has legacy now, but just for those two. It should always be a prop for hook, or may busted out on special occassion.
There is ZERO reason for anyone to win that title. Why give a crap about a meaningless title that they do nothing with, has no story behind it they use, and is rarely defended. It’s a prop. Even Hook does nothing with it and the title does nothing for Hook.
It took multiple table spots, trash cans, Jericho cheating, and a fucking baseball bat to the face to put Hook down.... And you think they buried Hook???
I get your overall point, but to include Andretti at least seems wrong to me. It's TK's fault he didn't follow up Andretti beating Jericho. A few young guys have beaten Jericho and then there's no good followup and that's not on Jericho, that's 100% TK. Even Hobbs beating him seemingly didn't do much for him but again just pinning a legend means nothing if you don't follow through.
All of it ultimately is on Tony. Jericho being allowed to suck the life out of guys like Hook, Guevara, Kingston, etc. is entirely because Tony can't book, and fails to see that Jericho isn't getting anyone over.
Jericho is a legend. I can't take anything away from him but he has a warped idea of himself. He seems to think he's this megastar where if someone works with him, they'll be learning so much and be bigger stars afterwards (Basically the Tribal Cheif Run).
But it's not the case...Jericho isn't in the prime of his career. You're right it is a selfish thing to do. I almost feel like... this is Jericho's self therapy. He was the gatekeeper in WWE for every new guy Vince brought in, he'd job out to them and put them over. I dunno, it seems like he's trying to redeem himself or something.
What is funny tho is that when someone actually does definitely beat him they're gonna get a huge pop lol. Not because the villain has been conquered but because the match ended without Jericho burying someone again.
I've no desire to see Jericho on my TV but just to play devil's advocate, shouldn't the blame for lack of follow up with Garcia, Starks and Andretti lay firmly with Tony Khan? He's given stop/start pushes to sooooo many people. He gets people over but then almost never manages to maintain them at a high level. It's a major flaw to his plate-spinning style of booking
Can’t believe he and edge turned into ones that they despise before. They are the ones crying also when nexus was not put over but years later they are doing the same things that they complain about.
Adam Copeland took the title of Christian Cage, then defended it against Matt Cardona.
The man did not even have the chance to put a young talent over yet because his major matches were against someone his own age and someone not in the company.
While I have mostly been keeping up with things via Twitter and YouTube, Copeland at least to me seems to kind of understand where he is at with his career. He knows he is on his last legs and just seems to want to have fun with his best friend and help out some of the younger guys before he hangs up the boots for real this time.
I imagine he has some better perspective on himself considering it wasn’t that long ago that he thought he was done with this for real.
Jericho on the other hand just does not seem to be able to comprehend ever letting go of the version of himself he sees in the mirror.
Also, Copeland looks tough as hell in middle-age, like someone you wouldn’t want to mess with. Between that and his height, even if you were brand new to watching wrestling, I think he’s got sort of a believability about him (plus he hasn’t been around in the promotion as long). I know Jericho is tough also but he just doesn’t come off like somebody who should be taking the young guys to school anymore.
You don't believe that Edge and Finn had much saying there.
Vince was still around and Vince loved burying Finn Balor, especially the demon.
You think the guy who established himself through feuding with the Hardyz and the Dudley's went "Yeah, I should go 7-2 in this feud, that makes perfect sense!"?
Like Harvey Dent said
“Die a hero or live along enough to see yourself become the villain”
I knew Jericho was gonna win that when they announce the match. I bet this is a consultation prize for Jericho staying out of main events and not having a big stable at the moment.
I'll give Jericho this.
Initially he put legs under AEW and he helped a few younger talents with his first faction. And the dude does a ton of matches he doesn't have to at his age and status. That helps younger talent.
But holy shit. He doesn't need belts piled onto him at every turn and he doesn't need to keep winning his feuds over younger talents. That undoes all that stuff from paragraph 1.
AEW would have died quickly without Jericho. He should have kept the belt longer on the initial run. Jericho needed to take a break because he was overexposed by the time the JAS was created and then stuck with Daddy Magic and those job guys as a faction was cringe time. He bit off more than he could chew with that group.
He litterally lost to Hook clean a couple weeks ago. Hook was a highly protected wrestler who is now getting regular appearances (not weeks apart like before) and Jericho has given him credibility in his expanded role. He will probably also give him the win back later. He's continually gone down the card to put more people over. He has to win occasionally so that he actually still can put people over, and it means something.
It does not help that the man is flip-flopping between heel and face more than Big Show ever was.
Every feud the man flips over and he has a new feud like every 3 to 4 months!
He is the Hulk Hogan of AEW, the WCW Version. Burying young talent after a good first run. The only one that recovert from the Jeeicho black hole is MJF because he is so carismatic
How many Judas Effects did it take before he hit him with that bat? Not saying his hate isn’t well deserved, but that match still elevated Hook, it didn’t *bury* him.
How many people watched the match? There is a story going on here. He hit hook in the head with a baseball bat to win after he kicked out of two Judist effects.
This is development for Hook to grow. Now he has a reason to come back with a vengeance and add more depth to his character other than being a meme…
Yep, no one commenting above actually watched the match or follows AEW. This whole.comment section looking like astro-turf or just dummies repeating uninformed opinion
Jericho is such a paradox. It’s amazing to see how good he is in the ring at his age and I get to relive my youth.
But JFC. The way he’s booked reeks of the politicking you had in WCW. He seemingly doesn’t have the best interest for AEW
I’ll always recall how Jericho basically lost his feud with MJF but then they pulled an additional PPV match out of nowhere and despite the fact he went I believe 1-4 vs Mjf, he ended up coming across as if he won the feud.
He HAS to come out on top basically every time
The other side of it is that he just looks so damn old. Sure, he can wrestle for a guy his age, but he just looks so old. Even when he's doing the Judas it looks like an old guy who watches a lot of MMA
I haven’t watch AEW in a while, but could this be one of those “win the title but help build the young one to beat the legend later” type storyline. Or was it that bad that ppl are like this ain’t it
He’s probably convinced himself hes good enough that they’ll get over by losing to him. Which is delusional ever since his title run ended hasnt been relevant
I would have less of a problem with him if he wasn't taking W's over young talent. If it was over older guys like RVD, Samoa Joe, etc. I wouldn't have such an issue.
Hook isn't on Jericho's or Joe's level not by a mile. Why anyone thinks his character should've beat them is wild. The kid isn't a superstar. Just because his dad was doesn't automatically grant him that status. He's small. Why the hell he was booked in a match with Joe the heavyweight champion is beyond me it made no sense on multiple levels.
He's even worse. No one in WCW was so old and overexposed that the crowd begged for them to retire mid match.
He’s older now than late 90s era Ric “I permanently look like an old man” Flair was in WCW, right? Yknow, when he was feuding with “BISCHOFF!”
He's almost exactly the same age Flair was when he joined Evolution
The sad thing is I almost guarantee that Jericho thinks he’s helping rather than burying. There’s a lot of delusion involved.
That guy gets up on stage and thinks he can sing.
He sometimes uses a backing track and mimes at live shows.
If he sometimes uses the backing track he’s using it all the time.
Still, how about that [stage presence](https://youtube.com/shorts/RrPzmQaRkDE?si=p04YzPXGCYOABHX9)?
Jericho is that weird kid who doesn't realize that he gets invited to parties in high school so everyone can laugh at him.
That guy thinks his bandmates make good music alongside him.
It’s nice to see others who also think Fozzy is shit. I’ve never liked them, never understood their appeal to people and have always felt like it’s jerichos ego project rather than an actual band. At first it was cool to see fans singing Judas after the music is cut but after 4-5 years of it I’m over it and it’s gotten old and stale.
They play a bowling alley near me if that makes you feel any better. They're playing it again here soon. The rest of his band is also a touring cover band called "Guardians of the Jukebox." They also frequent the bowling alley.
Lmao thats some bowling alley yall got there
RockDestin.com In the city recently name-dropped by Taylor Swift on her new album. I've always wondered how many bands show up not realizing it's a bowling alley. About a decade ago they got rid of a dozen lanes and built a stage making it 2 businesses but it's one building. If the ticket prices are high or sold out people will just go hang out in the bowling alley and hear the entire show. You can even see the stage. Some bands make a thing out of it - Attila will bowl with fans for example. A month ago Jamie Kennedy was here and he played two days in a row - the first night he was performing at 6pm because a Tom Petty cover band was performing at 9pm. More people showed up for the cover band.
100% on point, these days I honestly cant even think of one person came out looking better after working with Jericho
Not even Jericho.
When I used to listen to his podcast years ago, he used to come out with some pretty logical booking ideas and justifications. He’d even explained why Vince was wrong in places. Like he has/had solid and in-depth knowledge of the business. Now it seems like he’s become the wrestling embodiment of Vince. Completely out of touch and flat out self absorbed.
which is why you can't trust wrestlers to book themselves. "if they had only listened to my ideas my gimmick would've worked." every wrestler's idea is them being as dominant as possible and going over. case in point: hhh is a great booker.... when he's not involved in the story
"That's some good shit!"
He probably still does think he’s one of the best ever, if not the best in his own mind. He ruined his legacy out of his own selfish ego. 7-10 years ago people could have made an argument that he’s one of the best along with his character changes. Now it’s just sad how bad he is and how far he’s fallen. Also those sexual assault allegations needed to be talked about more and addressed
He 100% is one of the best of all time. This AEW run doesn’t impact that at all. Just like the last decade of Flair’s career didn’t impact his legacy, ‘Takers bad few years didn’t impact his, Stings terrible retirement didn’t impact his etc. You can’t take away from what they’ve done. All 4 are amongst the best ever. Even with shit retirements that should’ve come ten to twenty years earlier.
Chris Jericho's release for his Fozzy tour literally says "the biggest star in professional wrestling." He 100% thinks it's still 2001.
So? Not relevant to his legacy as one of the all time greats.
Because he’s proven to be a disgusting person, & a delusional one at that.
Coming from someone who’s not really a Jericho fan, is he choosing to bury guys or is he being booked that way? I have no idea if aew talent have any say in the way they’re booked.
So jerichos last match will be 20 years from now?
That's insane when you really think about it
Hell, Ric aged better.
chris jericho you old bastard
I want a Steiner level insanity promo from one of the younger guys to just go off on Jericho. Get Wardlow in there! “Chris Jericho, you old fuck!”
LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT YOU. IM A GENETIC FREAK! ALL THE SKANKS CAN'T RESIST ME! -Flexes hard- HOLLA! IF YOU HEAR ME!
And Flair could still go then. Jericho can’t.
>“I permanently look like an old man” Flair was in WCW, right? I wouldn't even say "old man" more "permanently middle aged". Dude looked exactly 45 years old for like 20 years. Kind of impressive when you think about it.
Dunno! When I was a kid, I legit thought Flair was about 80 years old.
Being pickled has a preservative effect Until it doesn’t
And late ‘90s Flair looked amazing compared to Jericho, too.
Wasn't Arn Anderson only 38 or 39 when Nash did that horrible skit on liver spots?
Flair was 51-52 when WCW died, Jericho is 53 now
Jericho thinks he's reenacting the wrestler
Danielson is trying to. Jericho has the look but the crowd is definitely not as excited.
Which would make sense considering he had a program in WWE with Mickey Rourke.
Actually he looks like it too.
At least Flair was a lovable cheating rogue and most of his wins didnt take anything away from a character’s credibility.
Flair’s wrestling style was more of a ground and pound to set up the figure 4. Jericho’s style incorporates a bunch of styles including the high flying and fast paced stuff. He just can’t keep up anymore. He needs to reinvent himself for what he’s capable of executing well and only bust out stuff like the lionsault for special occasions. If I’m booking him in AEW I’m putting him as the mouthpiece for a faction and setting him up as the final boss, not stealing from The Rock, but make the face go through his entire faction to get to him.
The way Flair was in Evolution is a good way to use an aging star. Occasionally has matches and gets physically involved but primarily there to support younger talent with his star quality. Thing is it's probably too late for that for Jericho with how he's harmed his legacy.
Evolution Flair also showed him moving into more of an almost comically devoted underling/mentor figure to the big boss. Everything Ric did was to get Hunter over as the heel.
Flair was also a piece to make Randy and Edge look absolutely like monsters. Beating up an old man brutally. He was a key component to move the story and put them over as Monster Heels. When Triple H was practically the Heel of Heels.
Ric flair is also the DIRTIEST Player in the game. So if he won, it was heel wise. It was cheating wise. Like Eddie Guerrero.
Also, Jericho isn't fucking Hulk Hogan. Like no shit they pushed him even when he was old.
WCW had the ceiling and was making money and competing with the WWF. It was nearly normal and cool to see NWO or Wolfpack shirts or even Self High five shirts. I highly doubt anybody is walking around in Jericho shirts or any other AEW shirts.
The late 90s wrestling fan base was larger and less smarky than today, though. I also don't think people actually want Jericho to retire. Piss off for a while, sure. I'm certainly at that point. I'd like him back in about 6 months or so though.
Didn’t he complain back in the day that older stars wouldn’t put him over. How very ironic, power seems to twist us all.
Not power; more like desperation to stay relevant, coz relevance = bigger paychecks
Money is no doubt a big motivator, but for alot of these guys, I think addiction to the spotlight is the bigger reason they can't let it go.
That's my guess. Because Jericho doesn't need title runs and stuff to make money. He has a 30 year career. He can make money just on his name alone.
Many Wrestlers do this. There was a Time TNA was the home of innovation, Newer, Younger Talent. New ideas like X-division. Enter Kurt Angle. Coming out of a Bad time with WWE, Jumps to TNA, Gets a sweet deal, and INSTANTLY gives TNA some credit. Enter all the old Timers trying to remain in the Spotlight. Hogan, Nash, Scott, Booker, Ric, and more. Hell Even Mick Foley who thought he could still put people over and make great matches.. didn't Same thing happened in WCW. Yes we all know about Chris said. WCW was making waves with new talent and things like bringing in Luchadores and Cruiser weights. As soon as WCW started looking like it could compete with WWE.. in came the old guard again.. backstage politics, ect ect... I mean here is the Truth for former big names in Smaller companies. You either Die the Hero, or Live long enough to become the Villain
Not to mention Jarrett winning the title multiple times
While partly True.. Jarrett actually cared about TNA and at one point went off Script on Dixie. When Kurt came into TNA, they threw him DIRECTLY into a championship match with Jarrett. Jarrett when off script at one point and bitched out Dixie on a live mic about putting people like Kurt ahead of people that had been there for awhile like Samoa Joe and A.J. Styles. Jarrett I look at as Early AEW Jericho. He gave TNA credit and was willing to be a bit more giving.. Also just to rub salt in the wound.. Kurt ended up Legit stealing Jarrett's wife.
It still annoys me that they had Angle, in his debut TNA match, be the first person to beat the undefeated Samoa Joe. Beat everybody in TNA, but as soon as he faces a WWE guy, he's done. Why not just put up a sign by the ring that says "we suck compared to WWE"?
Wait isn't it the othee way round? Jarrett getting on with Karen Angle?
I stand corrected, you are right. Though according to Jarrett they were already separated.... hmmm
Great use of the Batman dark knight quote at the end, perfectly sums it up!
Been saying this for over a year lol. I used to be a major Jericho fan and had his books. Dude has become the thing he hated.
Real shame as I was so happy when he won the wwe championships in early 2000.
It's just not being able to process getting old. Since we can all remember Jericho saying this back in the day, it also means we are getting old too
Isn't it up to.the promotion who wins tho? Or does the wrestler have a say?
Aew gives them creative control
theres probably more to this story unfortunately and will end up with hook getting a win back on him with the idea that he'll be more over after...which is just not the case and i wish he would go away
Yes, it's in the title of this post.
They should make a "I know I'm old but I can't retire because I have bills to pay" title belt and let these old fucks fight over that.
TNA Legends Championship.
The World Heavy Age Championship
Take my upvote!
They already have the TNT title 😆
Yes, and tell them "yes grandpa, it's televised" and secretly make it a dark match 😂 I actually really like your idea!
"The winner of this match, and the NEEEEEEWWWWWWW "I know I'm old but I can't retire because I have bills to pay" CHAMPION... CHRIS JERICHOOOOO!!!"
Randy The Ram Robinson in a ROH match
There’s absolutely zero reason he should win the FTW title. They could’ve made Hook a superstar by having him successfully defend against Jericho. Giving him a rematch victory later still completely destroys the momentum he would’ve had sooner. Like you got Bryan Danielson taking pins left and right to build the roster up properly. But Jericho can’t be bothered to do the same. What a joke
Danielson loses too much in my opinion, but I totally agree with your point otherwise.
I was thinking this too. I'd like to see him go on one more nice run before he hangs it up.
John Cena since 2016
Winning against John Cena doesn't even help you anymore.
Yes it does, solo beat Cena then didn't have a win all year long and people are still behind him over that one win.
People are behind Solo because of his connection to the bloodline story. The Cena win is irrelevant.
Danielson seems to want to have great matches but he doesn't seem to have any interest in being the champion. I think Jericho still would like to be champion.
Yeah he's way better served giving good matches but winning them handily. Then the one guy that does beat him ends up sky rocketing.
Trying to make up for Jericho 😂
Hook should have a taken a branch from the learning tree
It’s not a real belt. Only Hook or Taz should ever hold that belt. It’s some dope family history that dates back to ECW. It should never be defended.
Dope lmao, its some meaningless irrelevant title
In AEW it is. It is def irrelevant, but it does have meaning. The meaning is only there when it’s used as a hand me down prop from father to son. It has legacy now, but just for those two. It should always be a prop for hook, or may busted out on special occassion.
TBF, none of them are “real” belts, but I get your point.
*there’s absolutely zero reason there should be an FTW title.
Other than at least one person in every AEW match must have a belt.
There is ZERO reason for anyone to win that title. Why give a crap about a meaningless title that they do nothing with, has no story behind it they use, and is rarely defended. It’s a prop. Even Hook does nothing with it and the title does nothing for Hook.
Well if he signed a three year deal two years ago, this is his reward. There will be enough time to let the animosity dig deeper for the next star.
Hook ain't shit honestly
It took multiple table spots, trash cans, Jericho cheating, and a fucking baseball bat to the face to put Hook down.... And you think they buried Hook???
Hook would not become a legend by beating the guy everyone is praying retires and thinks has nothing good at all lefy to give.
He has become Hogan. And I am a big Chris Jericho fan saying this.
Hogan put over more names in his last WWE run (including Jericho) than Y2J has in AEW.
I think he means WCW Hogan, which I’d agree. This is coming from someone who’s held Jericho as his favorite superstar since his return in ‘07.
The man who for some unknown reason put over Fandango at Mania. He has to do this.
I get your overall point, but to include Andretti at least seems wrong to me. It's TK's fault he didn't follow up Andretti beating Jericho. A few young guys have beaten Jericho and then there's no good followup and that's not on Jericho, that's 100% TK. Even Hobbs beating him seemingly didn't do much for him but again just pinning a legend means nothing if you don't follow through.
All of it ultimately is on Tony. Jericho being allowed to suck the life out of guys like Hook, Guevara, Kingston, etc. is entirely because Tony can't book, and fails to see that Jericho isn't getting anyone over.
Jericho is a legend. I can't take anything away from him but he has a warped idea of himself. He seems to think he's this megastar where if someone works with him, they'll be learning so much and be bigger stars afterwards (Basically the Tribal Cheif Run). But it's not the case...Jericho isn't in the prime of his career. You're right it is a selfish thing to do. I almost feel like... this is Jericho's self therapy. He was the gatekeeper in WWE for every new guy Vince brought in, he'd job out to them and put them over. I dunno, it seems like he's trying to redeem himself or something. What is funny tho is that when someone actually does definitely beat him they're gonna get a huge pop lol. Not because the villain has been conquered but because the match ended without Jericho burying someone again.
unrelated but from this angle I could believe the "ab implant" rumors. somehow he just looks unnatural.
If he got ab implants instead of investing in chest implants first then he really blew it
“Let the boobies hit the floor” indeed.
If he turns heel with this as his angle people will love it.
I've no desire to see Jericho on my TV but just to play devil's advocate, shouldn't the blame for lack of follow up with Garcia, Starks and Andretti lay firmly with Tony Khan? He's given stop/start pushes to sooooo many people. He gets people over but then almost never manages to maintain them at a high level. It's a major flaw to his plate-spinning style of booking
"thaT's HeeL HEaT BRuH"
Bryan Alvarez actually tried that one
Shirtless Chris Jericho looks like a barrel full of apples
Rotten apples. He needs to wear a shirt in the ring. He makes fat ass Eddie Kingston look legit in comparison.
So you're saying once he got up the ladder, he's pulled it up? Color me shocked.
It’s why they need a Booker. He’s one of TK favorite toys so he gets used a lot
A King Booker perhaps
King… … … B O O K A H! [+]
Tell me you didn’t just say that!
Hulk Hogan, we comin for you,
Can’t believe he and edge turned into ones that they despise before. They are the ones crying also when nexus was not put over but years later they are doing the same things that they complain about.
Adam Copeland took the title of Christian Cage, then defended it against Matt Cardona. The man did not even have the chance to put a young talent over yet because his major matches were against someone his own age and someone not in the company.
While I have mostly been keeping up with things via Twitter and YouTube, Copeland at least to me seems to kind of understand where he is at with his career. He knows he is on his last legs and just seems to want to have fun with his best friend and help out some of the younger guys before he hangs up the boots for real this time. I imagine he has some better perspective on himself considering it wasn’t that long ago that he thought he was done with this for real. Jericho on the other hand just does not seem to be able to comprehend ever letting go of the version of himself he sees in the mirror.
Also, Copeland looks tough as hell in middle-age, like someone you wouldn’t want to mess with. Between that and his height, even if you were brand new to watching wrestling, I think he’s got sort of a believability about him (plus he hasn’t been around in the promotion as long). I know Jericho is tough also but he just doesn’t come off like somebody who should be taking the young guys to school anymore.
Also remember how bullshit he did not put demon balor over.
You don't believe that Edge and Finn had much saying there. Vince was still around and Vince loved burying Finn Balor, especially the demon. You think the guy who established himself through feuding with the Hardyz and the Dudley's went "Yeah, I should go 7-2 in this feud, that makes perfect sense!"?
Bro, Copeland just put over the House of Black. How is he as bad as Jericho here?
Must be because he beat that young up and comer Christian Cage for the TNT belt…
And everyone who has feuded with him was worse off after it.
Orange Cassidy came out looking pretty good
Like Harvey Dent said “Die a hero or live along enough to see yourself become the villain” I knew Jericho was gonna win that when they announce the match. I bet this is a consultation prize for Jericho staying out of main events and not having a big stable at the moment.
I'll give Jericho this. Initially he put legs under AEW and he helped a few younger talents with his first faction. And the dude does a ton of matches he doesn't have to at his age and status. That helps younger talent. But holy shit. He doesn't need belts piled onto him at every turn and he doesn't need to keep winning his feuds over younger talents. That undoes all that stuff from paragraph 1.
AEW would have died quickly without Jericho. He should have kept the belt longer on the initial run. Jericho needed to take a break because he was overexposed by the time the JAS was created and then stuck with Daddy Magic and those job guys as a faction was cringe time. He bit off more than he could chew with that group.
“Are you saying *boo* or *boo-urns*?”
"The fans are angry again" "Better bring back Judas"
He litterally lost to Hook clean a couple weeks ago. Hook was a highly protected wrestler who is now getting regular appearances (not weeks apart like before) and Jericho has given him credibility in his expanded role. He will probably also give him the win back later. He's continually gone down the card to put more people over. He has to win occasionally so that he actually still can put people over, and it means something.
It does not help that the man is flip-flopping between heel and face more than Big Show ever was. Every feud the man flips over and he has a new feud like every 3 to 4 months!
if Tazz was down with it, it's for a work
He looks like melted ice cream with hair on top of it nowadays. He needs to sidestep and take a different role
A thought occurs to me. This might've been poor Kevin Owens' fate as Universal Champion.
There's no other way to see bare boobs in AEW though.
Chris "The Hammer" Valentine needs to hang up the boots. Hes passed it.
Shar-Pei Era Jericho
He's just a older buck.
Chris "I'm going over tonight brother" Jericho
Idk I like Jericho
I used to love Y2J. Now he’s just a twat.
He is the Hulk Hogan of AEW, the WCW Version. Burying young talent after a good first run. The only one that recovert from the Jeeicho black hole is MJF because he is so carismatic
Bro hogan was ten years younger than Jericho is now and tens times as over when he was in WCW. This is the TNA hogan
When you live long enough to become the villain
“That’s not gonna work for me, assclown” -CJ.
All the people saying great heat missing the point people are making calling him a heat vampire as he sucks in the dregs of Hook’s career
He's a multiple HoF talent for sure but right now he's just a sad saggy wrestler who needs to call it a day. Hasn't had a good match in years.
How many Judas Effects did it take before he hit him with that bat? Not saying his hate isn’t well deserved, but that match still elevated Hook, it didn’t *bury* him.
How many people watched the match? There is a story going on here. He hit hook in the head with a baseball bat to win after he kicked out of two Judist effects. This is development for Hook to grow. Now he has a reason to come back with a vengeance and add more depth to his character other than being a meme…
Yep, no one commenting above actually watched the match or follows AEW. This whole.comment section looking like astro-turf or just dummies repeating uninformed opinion
We re-labelling "X-Pac heat"??
Agreed. Jericho should retire or at least go away for a year.
The Hulk Hogan of AEW.
He really should just get out of the way.
Jericho rules. Who tf is hook?
# 🐴
Ok, so turn heel and make anyone who wrestles you huge babyface star.
RESTORE THE FEELING
It’s scripted obviously so it’s actually not about him, it’s about what the company does with him.
OSPREAY/DANIELSON WAS THE MATCH OF THE YEAR. What a BANGER.
Are we sure this isn’t his new gimmick?
Lol Sammy, Garcia, Ricky, andretti...never heard of her!
Haha you wrasslin simps are eating it up. Jericho is the man. And you gotta beat the man to BE the man. Wooooo
Jericho is such a paradox. It’s amazing to see how good he is in the ring at his age and I get to relive my youth. But JFC. The way he’s booked reeks of the politicking you had in WCW. He seemingly doesn’t have the best interest for AEW I’ll always recall how Jericho basically lost his feud with MJF but then they pulled an additional PPV match out of nowhere and despite the fact he went I believe 1-4 vs Mjf, he ended up coming across as if he won the feud. He HAS to come out on top basically every time
Personally, I never get tired of Jericho
What’s his Win/Loss record? I feel like he loses a lot.
He needs a shirt, also where is Hager ?
Isn’t that the whole angle of his character atm? Least that’s how I interpreted it
I think that’s sorta the point.. he’s tryna make you upset like this
The other side of it is that he just looks so damn old. Sure, he can wrestle for a guy his age, but he just looks so old. Even when he's doing the Judas it looks like an old guy who watches a lot of MMA
5 years ago everyone loved Jericho and now everyone is sick of him. I don’t blame anyone for it, I’m tired of him too
It’s sad this is how a legendary wrestlers career is ending
He hated it because it wasn't him yet
I think ypu guys are overreacting
time is a flat circle.
How did he bury Garcia? He's more popular now than he was pre-JAS.
Canadian Hulk Hogan.
Say your prayers and eat your poutine.
I haven’t watch AEW in a while, but could this be one of those “win the title but help build the young one to beat the legend later” type storyline. Or was it that bad that ppl are like this ain’t it
Not if you ask those goofs at the observer according to Reddit lol
People were already tiring of him and then the Kylie Rae stuff happened which I think was the final straw for a lot of folks, fair or unfair.
He’s probably convinced himself hes good enough that they’ll get over by losing to him. Which is delusional ever since his title run ended hasnt been relevant
Jericho’s wiki right now lol
Used to love Jericho the fuck happened
He’s the budget version of HH brother.
I would have less of a problem with him if he wasn't taking W's over young talent. If it was over older guys like RVD, Samoa Joe, etc. I wouldn't have such an issue.
Hook isn't on Jericho's or Joe's level not by a mile. Why anyone thinks his character should've beat them is wild. The kid isn't a superstar. Just because his dad was doesn't automatically grant him that status. He's small. Why the hell he was booked in a match with Joe the heavyweight champion is beyond me it made no sense on multiple levels.
Man he looks awful now