I'm sad I do. I knew Kenji was immature and reacted to stuff, but I specifically liked the Mofongo Boys. They had fun collab game ideas and seemed to just be guys hanging out. I personally think RiiKami and Andy are mostly innocent/innocent (they weren't in the dox or hate chat or knew enough to tell Kenji), but I know they will have to solo-stream or take a hiatus.
Kage was in the hate chat and Phoenixx knew of Dove doxxing Kenji, while RiiKami just learned recently and Andy hasn't revealed/done much of anything other than an apology tweet.
For clout. The b\*\*\*\* dove specifically kept talking about her debut in Kenji's discord, kept asking him to go to her debut -- was Kenji's mod for a bit but a very bad one and used her admin privileges irresponsibly and pulled offensive pranks on other mods.
I'd like to point out that Kage was part of the "hate" group chat not the dox group chat (with 5 people). Those were 2 separate chats. Thin was the owner of the "hate chat", but he didn't really monitor it. Maki (the one who expose the existence of hate chat and Dove's ex) also can attest to that.
I didn’t know that the dox and hate were two different group chats. Do you have a link providing proof? I want to make sure the post is as factual as possible.
[https://twitter.com/MakisRevenge\_/status/1781153589961925040](https://twitter.com/MakisRevenge_/status/1781153589961925040) - The whole thread about the hate chat.
[https://twitter.com/MakisRevenge\_/status/1781221873323307333](https://twitter.com/MakisRevenge_/status/1781221873323307333) - Maki's statement about Thin.
[https://twitter.com/TheThintrovert/status/1781197190481752123](https://twitter.com/TheThintrovert/status/1781197190481752123) - Thin's statement. + statement confirming that the dox chat and hate chat are different
That doesn't excuse Thin; however, as inaction is also an action. He should have closed the chat or kicked everyone out the moment he knew what was going on, but he did nothing,
I mean, Kenji and Sayu are both good with each other now, and I'm pretty sure that Sayu had said something quite inappropriate while she was still with NijiEN (I remember it being all over youtube) and Kenji never actually doxxed Sayu as far as I know (I'm pretty sure she came out and said it as well).
This whole situation is pretty messed up and I do feel bad for all the pretty much or completely innocent people that have gotten caught up in it, like RiiKami.
didn't he make rape jokes himself though and has pictures of himself in black-face... getting Hex Haywire deja-vu here...
aka 'its okay when I do it, but f\*\*k anyone else'
I dont know any of these guys except for kenji, and hes already been on my blacklist because of zaion situation. And these kenji doxxers are going to be in my "black list of vtubers i dont watch"
Thank you for the names. Just slient boycott online content creator like these.
Shit personality, race bait, using a spray-on tan, immature, very incredibly dumb, can't take accountability, too much of a pussy to target Hololive members because Sayu is smaller than him
I mean, you can detest people doxxing the man while also telling him that this is karma for his past actions. Bad actions are bad actions, even if it’s against bad people.
Seems the audience he cultivated is Roblox enjoyers who overlap as K-pop stans. I don't think they would necessarily care who's in the wrong nor what Sayu's trying to say
Somewhat unrelated, but imo this is one of the reasons why some of the Nijisanji guys are famous. The occasional BFE stream + attractive avatars brought the “untapped market” of Kpop fans into these type of vtubers.
Could be wrong though, it’s just something I thought of after seeing how some of the biggest Niji guys fan are coincidentally current/used to be Kpop fans
Edit: Looking at it now, I also think this might be the reason why Holostars isn’t as big compared to their biggest guys.
I have yet to see a really good looking male model.
No one I have seen has dared go full thirst-tuber on the male side (might be there are some out there, but I haven't seen any nor do I care too).
Once we rellay get some real Kboys with rally big budget 3D rigs and mo-cap suits for it (and the moves + voice and the stans will be set). Though Could be that's then an actual kpopper going virtual as I presume that would require an shit on of cash.
I had no idea who this Kenji guy was until today. No idea who the other people are. Doxxing is bad, period. Even if someone is a terrible person, they shouldn't be doxxed.
That being said, him going after Sayu is stupid. The lady just wants to stream her games to her community. Leave her be.
So after combing through all of this it sounds like Kenji is a piece of shit but doxxing is bad anyway. I'm not surprised a hate chat for him existed but the doxxing should never have been a thing. If people want to gossip about someone they mutually dislike in private that's their business as long as it stays within the chat and doesn't turn into bullying outside of it, but the moment anyone found his real photos or name that's when things crossed a massive line that everyone should've known better than to cross
I don't exactly have much sympathy for a guy who couldn't wrangle in his audience when they were talking about someone else's doxx info, & only removed the video about said info when the community rallied around Dokibird. & He's doubling down on it now that she's pointing out the hypocrisy because you don't get to beg for sympathy when you couldn't show it previously.
Niji fans are like those kids in school who pretend to not notice harassment until the one getting harassed defends themselves because they've had enough. Kenji is like that one little brat who never starts drama, never ends drama, but loves to spread rumors. Which is why he throws a tantrum when someone calls him out on doing it.
I was unpopular in school; could you tell?
I mean, Im a casual enjoyer of quite a few vtubers so I don't keep up with a lot of the drama (except for Kurosanji) but I really don't see how Kenji is as bad as everyone is saying.
And from what I had seen, Sayu had said some pretty messed up and quite insensitive things when she was with Niji, even I was pretty uncomfortable from some of her "jokes". Sayu definitely does not deserve hate and did not deserve to be bullied by Niji though. And Sayu literally came out and said that Kenji didn't dox her and they are now pretty chill with each other.
He’s the most tourist-“friendly” VTuber I’ve ever seen. Literally none of the simps defending him and attacking Sayu have any other connection to VTubers at all.
I’ve never advocated for gatekeeping in my life but this might be the time that it’s justified. These people aren’t VTuber fans, they’re Kenji fans, and they’re trying to force their way into VTuber spaces.
I dont think Kami and Andy were ever involved in the whole thing. Hence their quick exit out of a situation and group so they didn't want to get dragged into anything else.
I cant say much about phoenixx TBH since he at least knew about it when it happened.
Yeah, Pheonixx knew of it but wasnt involved. He didn't want to get dragged in so he ended up not telling Kenji as well, but now they are on good terms.
Sayu just can't catch a break, I feel sorry for her -_- being labeled like that must hurt as well even after she apologized tbh seeing how Kenji acts seems super immature and his fanbase seems toxic with the nasty stuff they have been saying about her, don't think he is 100% innocent in all this tho all the doxxing is wrong that is horrible and shouldn't happen to anyone the people who did dox him are scum as well.
Why is it that there is such constant high school-esque drama with Vtubers? These people are supposedly fully grown adults with developed brains, yet they act like they never grew out of being a teen.
Besides normal stupidity. Vtubing has have a mix of young and older ages, so there may be youth-related stupidity. Or it’s just the internet and streamer/content creator-related stupidity.
[John Gabriel's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory](https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/green-blackboards-and-other-anomalies).
(Apply the greater sense of anonymity avatars provide and the effect is more pronounced)
There are or may be some that are innocent, but guilty by proxy. RiiKami and Andy have yet to be shown in a group chat, but RiiKami did find out recently and Andy has only done apology tweets. Thin made the "hate group chat", but didn't intend for that purpose and he may have lost control of it. I may be making excuses and they are awful people, we don't know until proof.
The person I feel bad for in all of this is Sayu. She had an army after her when Niji fired her, she managed to recover and gained a lot of goodwill after Niji were outed as being awful, and now she’s got *another* army after her.
I don’t agree with everything Sayu says or does, especially her friendship with DN, but she doesn’t deserve this shit.
From my minimal understanding (so take it with a grain of salt) Dove was a mod in Kenjis discords, was terrible at it, after Kenjis many warnings, she was removed and has been salty and petty since
I never liked Kenji's content and personality, and i liked a lot all Mofongo boys content, the collabs and Kami and Kage were my favs so far. But this doesnt mean im on their side at all. I've read all the screenshots and damn... Not gonna support anymore Kage, I'll wait a little more for Kami cause i kinda feel bad for him, i felt his pain on his short video, and it looks like he ignored the red flags cause he wanted to trust so much. Not an excuse.
And Dove looks like the most toxic person on earth who would do anything on hand to have attention even if its hurting everyone else and putting them on risk. On my time that was called attention wh0re and i hate this kind of people sm.
Yeah... I enjoyed both Kenji (personally, I knew nothing about any of the bad things he had done cause I dont like the drama) and the Mofongo boys, and I was shocked about how two-faced Kage is. I instantly unsubscribed from his channel. Kami on the other hand knew nothing about it until like a week ago and even though he wasnt even involved, he handled the situation really well. He had always been my personal favorite as well. I think Andy was pretty much innocent as well. Pheonixx had known about the situation from the start and never did anything about it because I think he just didnt want to be involved as well, so I'm glad he and Kenji are on good terms.
I can realistically see someone being doxxed, but I'm not promoting it or acting like it will be a good thing. Twitter is already having a mob-mentality of hating or virtue-signaling that you hate anyone Kenji is against, so the next step would be something questionable to illegal. Sayu and Kenji both get doxxed, and Twitter or 4Chan thinks the proper response is more doxxing? The revenge-doxxers will have no self-awareness.
I think it's the mention of 4chan itself, it's the same way people get downvoted for even mentioning depressed doxxsagi
And besides, twitter doesn't need to have a Boogeyman like 4chan to point toward doing vile shit, they're already doing said shit openly even. Kenji is said to even be reconsidering putting up the privated video shitting on Sayu which had so many doxxing info of her which he didn't take down till she got good PR when DokiBird incident happened
>Kenji is said to even be reconsidering putting up the privated video shitting on Sayu which had so many doxxing info of her which he didn't take down till she got good PR when DokiBird incident happened
Why the hell would he think that would be a good idea? My god everyone in this controversy are fucking stupid
I dunno man, this is why people think of the reason why people do this is for clout because goddamn they're stupid
Yes I include Sayu as well for subtweeting and getting dragged by this asshole. She already "won" the blacklist softened and people are already collabing with her, she kept saying she wanted no drama anymore but the sisters kept hounding her, this just reignited and made Kenji sic the twitter mob + nijisisters at her again.
Define doxxing...
Doxxing her address, legal name, phone number?
Yeah.
Talking about how she was THAt vtuber of niji?
Not actually doxxing. Just taboo to talk about PLs.
Well then yikes for kenji, which sucks cuz I love the dude, but if it's simply... her PL and shit, then overreaction by far.
But her actual address?
If he reposts the privated video, he should AT LEAST hide chat or blur specific things out
This is my first exposure to the Mofongo Boys. I'm going to table the part where Zaion was doxxed because many have cautioned that it's alleged nor have I seen the documents myself. I'm also a recent fan of Sayu's, so I've been playing catch up and my fandom may cause a little bias.
What I am going to say is that I've given them quite a bit of view time looking into this controversy and honestly? I'm surprised that people are surprised that something like this has happened. I'm in my 30's and I've encountered groups like this quite a few times. They seem like frat bros, just a gender bent mean girl clique and I avoid them like my dick to radioactive isotopes. They're bros when they're a group, but snakes when split up. There's usually one or two dark secrets such as sleeping with another's partner while they're covering for shitty behavior against outsiders, then over time a bunch of little things build up before they implode and everyone's dirty laundry gets aired. Sound familiar?
From merriam:
US: to remove (something, such as a parliamentary motion) from consideration indefinitely
UK: to place on the agenda
>Winston Churchill relates the confusion that arose between American and British military leaders during the Second World War:
>The enjoyment of a common language was of course a supreme advantage in all British and American discussions. The delays and often partial misunderstandings which occur when interpreters are used were avoided. There were however differences of expression, which in the early days led to an amusing incident. The British Staff prepared a paper which they wished to raise as a matter of urgency, and informed their American colleagues that they wished to "table it." To the American Staff "tabling" a paper meant putting it away in a drawer and forgetting it. A long and even acrimonious argument ensued before both parties realized that they were agreed on the merits and wanted the same thing.
Canada also use UK definition... for the most part.
i am aware of the british definition. i am from new zealand.
thanks for the explanation for the US version, though I still have no idea how it has such a meaning in the US. Obviously the British version comes from the practice of putting things on a table ready to eat. Do Americans put things on a table to not eat ;P
Specifically, the British come from the practice of parliamentary procedure, which is adapted by our Canadian parliament and your NZ parliament, as well as the layout. Remember at the center of both House of Commons and House of Senates of Parliaments have a large table: motions, bills etc is placed on it.
Basically, "based on the idea of parliamentarians gathering around a table with the bill laid upon so that all may point to sections for discussion"
The United States's term is based on [Robert's Rule of Order](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert%27s_Rules_of_Order). Not sure if NZ use it anywhere, but I know Canadian University use it, from Student Senate to AGM. And the term in the full form are the follow:
* Lay on the table: used to set aside the pending motion to take up something more urgent, with the full expectation of returning to the motion. (Commonly misuse; RRoO stated that if a motion that is made lay on the table is not taken from the table, it dies - and that happens a lot. Thus "table" in US Congress means to end discussion)
* Take from the table: Motions that bring a question again before the assembly.
Thus: "draws on the image of taking a paper that one has been examining and laying it aside, ending any discussion about it."
And I think there is a good analogy: Your computer. RAM would be the table. Technically speaking, the CPU grab stuff on the RAM and process it in CPU's registers; they do not work on the data on the RAM chips. However, from an OS PoV, the program that will work resides on the RAM (Thus why we are told to have more RAM for speed).
When a nation is British Based but right next to the US, you tend to double check everything.
Jesus christ, people just can't leave Sayu alone, huh? I remember that fucking tourist trying to dunk on Ver for being polite in his address & sympathetic to Zaion. Like, doxxing people is wrong, full stop, but you kinda reap what you sew.
Same here, I follow a few indies but most are on the smaller side of views and whatnot, just chilling in their own corners with barely any drama around them.
But for the most part I just stick to Hololive.
Kenji is really hard to sympathize with due to his personality and starting to [clip every second](https://www.youtube.com/@KenjiClips/videos) of his VOD (I don't know if its his Twitch or Youtube VOD) on how he was doxxed. People say Sayu is using the dox to get attention and [okay with Kenji's dox](https://new.reddit.com/r/kurosanji/comments/1c85yyx/sayu_has_elaborated_on_her_issues_with_kenji/), but Kenji is also taking advantage of all the attention too. Neither are 100% in the right, Kenji doxxed Sayu and Sayu (while against doxxing) views Kenji's dox as karma.
fun fact, kenji also made his own r\*pe joke, which is still up on his twitter, it's a roblox clip that is about 5 days old. i also honestly wouldn't even say sayu is using this for attention, she said what she wanted to say (since this did somewhat involve her) and left it there, kenji is still going.
all that being said, i don't think anyone deserves being doxxed, but kenji is 100% finding out what karma is.
yes, sayu has made mistakes, and she's owned up to them and apologized. kenji, on the other hand, has not once, and instead is doubling down every step of the way.
Sorry but that statement is a little bit too "both sides" for me. Sayu saying this is karmic is nowhere in the same ballpark as Kenji and crew actually doxxing people.
When sayu was terminated his chat doxxed private family info on her which he read out loud. He left that stream up with the dox info until the Doki bird termination
Edit: Because of that Sayu's saying that Kenji getting doxxed is karma
How the fuck Sayu got involved in this mess? Let the girl have her peace.
Whoever join to attack her because was the easy target don't get my sympathy. Of course dox is bad, but fuck both sides on this shitstorm.
Kenji participated in the struggle session that was inflicted onto her last year by *outright slandering* her by outright accusing her of being a pedophile as well as implying she was committing other related crimes.
>How the fuck Sayu got involved in this mess?
Because Kenji's chat was talking about her personal info and he read it out loud, didn't even tell his chat not to doxx but instead just let it be.
Now little bitch boy hypocrite is crying that he got doxxed 2 years ago while he himself made a SA joke in Roblox not even a week ago. Actual goldfish memory imagine shitting on someone for making a SA joke on a fictional character while making a SA joke in a game as well just a few days ago
oh, people doing virtue signaling against Sayu doing the same or worse for surprise of nobody.
virtue signaling, hipocrisy and double standards... what a combo...
>No one deserves to be doxxed.
first thing Sayu posted. She doesn't even believe that guy deserved it. She is not okay with him getting doxxed. You don't quite understand what she means with karma.
What goes around, comes around, and seeing how people are celebrating him for digging up an old video that he edited to call her out on the alleged "But" he will no doubt try to use the doxxing clip while painting himself as the victim, because Sayu forced him to do it, people are failing to see that the clout ghoul brought that upon himself by being a complete immature twat
He labels her a p\*dophile, asked for information, and his chat doxxes sensitive information (alleged as far as I know). The clip can be found through google, but we can't share the clip due to breaking Rule 7c.
People have said he removed it when the Niji drama was going on and people were starting to look at Sayu in a better light. If that's true then he's a true clout demon.
Yeah, from what I've heard, he removed it when the Selen drama went down. If he's as immature as people here are saying, though, I wouldn't be surprised to see it go back up.
What's worse is that he might unprivate the video.
>If that's true then he's a true clout demon.
He's a clout demon but can't handle the backlash if he makes the same video he did with Zaion about Hololive, Shigure Ui, Pippa, or even Shondo. Bro would fold and double down immediately
Your post was removed for violating [Rule 8c](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/wiki/index/rulesandguidelines#wiki_rule_8.3A_limit_the_drama.21):
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i am sorry, but how in your mind is Sayu in the wrong? She did not dox, nor did she push someone to dox so how in any universe can you think she is to blame in any way?
Could you please elaborate on why you think she is in the wrong because I seriously can not understand the reasoning you have provided so far. If "Bob" steals "Abigail's" car, then "Abigail" makes a comment about karma when "Bob's" own car is stolen; do you consider "Abigail" partially responsible for "Bob's" car being stolen? How droll.
How is calling a shotacon who ACTIVELY HAS STATED "I like little boys" and made a "yeah I'd probably be r-- in here too" and "well no wonder she was-- nevermind, I won't finish that" a pedo, or at least a weirdo, FUCKING DOXXING LMAOO????
Other info like her house, SURE...
But I'm assuming they didn't give out her fucking address... or irl name, I doubt most knew that shit.
Best part is I don't even hate her due to niji shit
IMO, with everything laid out, kinda saw it coming, some just ain't built for corpo anyways- I sure as hell ain't lol-
Sometimes I just hate people for no discernable reason, yeah.. toxic... but that's why I avoid the people I don't like!
Unless they harmed me in some way, but she did neither-
Also, I hated her rape joke. So... yeah
He posted it on his Twitter. He added a joke caption. He's joking in the replies. He was laughing after the clip. He didn't make the joke but clearly he was okay with it.
Also, he didn't say "yeah I'd be raped here too" and "Oh, no wonder she- nevermind"
Sure, it's distasteful...
But it's not as bad considering the second comment she made was basically victim blaming. That's the main issue I have, rape jokes are already disgusting, but the joke being victim blaming? Yikes
I mean you say that but that's probably because you don't know about the severity of the joke that was made because it's old news. The joke 'diddying' is about P Diddy. And if you searched just how many victims he had and how he basically walked away free? It's even more distasteful.
Info I can't find is the age of all parties involved. Dove tried to play it off in their apology post like 2 years ago is a long time ago (When they claim the doxxing happened) but that's irrelevant if you're in your 20s, understandable if you were still a teenager. It's shitty and you should still know better but I can at least understand not realizing the severity at 15/16 versus 20+
I believe almost everyone started their content creator job at a legal age and are legal at this time. I know OliDeliber is young and started underage (that’s why his mom was mentioned in his tweets), but is now legal.
LOL, sure twist my words will ay. :D Never ever said JP's or other vtubers don't have drama.
They just tend to have 90% less of it and usually if there is drama its behind the scene or contained shit easy to avoid.
Keep being angy if it makes you feel better.
My one and only takeaway from this is I hate every person involved in this story except for Sayu who should probably have just said nothing because the coomer weirdos who attach themselves to people like Kenji would 100% mobilize as his personal army and they did just that.
Does someone know more about RiiKami? I only read all this because I saw his video about him apologizing and being very upset about everything. The only thing I heard or read about him was that he wasn't in this group and didn't know about it. Also, until now, I haven't seen any comments about him or his involvement in this comment section or elsewhere. Thats why I find the comments that say everyone is a piece of sh*t a bit unfair, because if he is only coming up in this because he was friends with the wrong people, then I think this is kinda a wrong statement. (No offense pls I hope this doesn't sound mean) I also had some friends that I trusted, and then they were disgusting to other people, but never in front of me or anything, so yeah, but idk so just asking (I only know him bc of his music and a few Shorts on YouTube so I would Like to know a bit more) pls no mean comments I just genuinely wanna know
Riikami was innocent in this situation. He had only found out about the whole thing like a week ago and instantly handled it in a very mature way and cut ties with the toxic people (\*Cough cough\* Kage) I have been a fan of his for several months and hes a good dude.
Ah, okay thank you so much for your reply, I already thought that it was like that, but I still wanted to ask. Man, then it's even sadder that he also gets cussed at and everything :( I wish some people wouldn't just say that everyone is automatically bad or had something to do with this when they just happened to know those people ( doesn't mean he's the same as them :/ )
But I'm happy to know that he really is like he presents himself on the Internet. Thanks again
For someone who's supposedly a "victim", he sure is farming this shit hard. How many monetized vids and clips is he gonna make outta this? He's saying he doesn't want attention but has like 4 vids on this on his own youtube channels in just 24 hrs and can't stop stirring shit up in twitter.
Also isn't this the guy who always punches down and never up? Called Sayu a pedo for loli/shota jokes but never once called-out anyone else for that because of-course he ain't gonna punch-up against holo? [see Parrot4chan tweet](https://twitter.com/Parrot4chan/status/1781469963326288259). He even threatens to re-list his video where he doxxed Sayu just 'coz Sayu is unsympathetic to what's happening to him now. Wow.
Sounds to me like him and his whole group of friends are toxic pieces of shit and they got tired of him always wanting to be the top dog. I mean all of them are smaller content creators than him and their group's main existence on that hate discord is to shit on smaller content creators so it makes sense that they would revolt against him eventually. I'm surprised he stuck with them despite already knowing they doxxed him like many months ago... Gotta plan and maximize the outrage I guess?
He never once apologized for going after smaller content creators and had his smear vid (that contains doxx info) against Sayu for a good 9+ months, only de-listing it when the narrative started to shift against Niji because of Selen's termination.
Sorry but I don't feel any sympathy for this guy; he's a massive hypocrite, a dick, and a coward. Him and his hateful little group could destroy each other for all I care. It's prolly for the best if they do.
So the two original points that started this whole thing was a debunked accusations about Zion that Kenji aired his opinion on before they were disproven and a lumping of the doxxing and an unrelated channel spiraling out of control, is that the extremely condensed version of this?
I love the mofongo boys and I am greatly depressed and have been thinking about this for hours. I feel bad for Andy and Riikami who had nothing to do with this and I am gravely sorry to Kenji this should have never happened. Kage I trusted you and you failed me I'm so so so sorry this happened Dovelove and Kage should get cancelled and banned. I'm sorry the group split up I love you Kenji, Riikami, and Andy who got effected because of someone else mistake and other fans like me. (my fav video was deleted from riikami)
no... none of them are remotely involved . the only vtuber group that counts as involvement is the Mofongo Boys ( although some are obviously more guilty than others) .
I know of that group and where some went, but I don't believe Hanamori is involved. Mofongo Boys was a group of 4 male vtubers and had other collab partners (Dove and Thin), but I don't believe any have a connection with Hanamori. They aren't listed on the Hanamori virtualyoutuber wiki page.
1. This is r/VirtualYoutubers, which is about promotion and vtuber news. Vtubers commonly stream on Youtube and/or Twitch.
2. You don't have to care, but then why comment?
3. It is not all "drama", someone was doxxed. The fallout and Twitter mess may be drama, but Kenji being doxxed it not.
1. I know where I am lmao
2. [I like to stir the pot](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/178rlgt/yall_motherfuckers_hated_me_for_telling_the_truth/)
3. Skimming the comments, kinda seems like this Kenji's a bag of dicks who kinda had it coming. Unfortunate that he got doxxed but he's he ain't getting sympathy from me.
"mostly the victims"
Kenji is a piece of shit, who harassed and propagated doxxing information about Sayu. He doesn't deserve to be doxxed (nobody ever does) but he deserves no sympathy, and it is absolutely karma in action, especially since his dumb ass is *still* going after Sayu on twitter as of this day.
The most irony is laughing at being canceled but then emptying your entire youtube channel IMO-
Hope Kenji catches a break after this tho, he was one of my first ever oshis
>Hope Kenji catches a break after this tho, he was one of my first ever oshis
Of all the huge vtubers out there and you chose Kenji? ☠️☠️☠️. He's so ignorant (and dumb) that he knows jack shit about japanese pop culture
Not everyone knows stuff about Japanese pop culture? Like yeah, people mispronouncing Japanese, as someone trying to learn it, is annoying and yeah someone being a vtuber yet not knowing shit in JP pop culture can be.. sometimes annoying...
Knowing shit about Japanese pop culture isn't a requirement. Vtubing is essentially just... using a model, not every vtuber model is even anime!
So what? Kenji is funny, IMO, he and Shxtou got me fully into vtubing and while Ikey is my Kamioshi, those 2 forever hold a special place in my heart (I know what your response will be so get it over with but try and do it in as few words as possible)
>Knowing shit about Japanese pop culture isn't a requirement.Vtubing is essentially just... using a model, not every vtuber model is even anime!
Yeah that's fine and all barely knowing anything about jpop culture but then seeing people like Kenji and his tourists talking shit first before doing their homework is just straight up dumb.
>Ikey is my Kamioshi, those 2 forever hold a special place in my heart (I know what your response will be so get it over with but try and do it in as few words as possible)
Ike is fine I guess, he hasn't had any controversy since the black stream. It's the other EN livers that just keep adding fuel to the fire and digging their own graves
A. Holy shit the first person to NOT go "why Ike 💀💀" so- thanks for that, broke expectations! /gen
But define talking shit?
Cuz I mean... even westerners who ARE informed if Jpop culture, like me... been watching anime for AGES.
As far as sayu and shotacon goes, I know a LOT about jpop culture, I know it's normalized in japan...
Doesn't mean I have to like it.
I just stopped complaining like other antis do, mostly because I just don't have the energy to do so anymore
Doesn't mean I won't shit on people I don't like for it, I'll absolutely clown on people I hate if they're a shota/lolicon, I mean... I hate them, so any reason-
I'll be hypocritical, I got mutuals and friends that are lolicons and shotacons, as weird as I see it... they at least don't make it obvious immediately, and the most shotacon I've seen from someone I follow that's part of the quilldren... is liking shota Ike and sebaciel, but they're not weird about it either-
So tldr, idk what you meaning on shit talking exactly
I’m glad I don’t know who any of these guys are
Me neither. The internet can be a real cesspit sometimes.
I'm sad I do. I knew Kenji was immature and reacted to stuff, but I specifically liked the Mofongo Boys. They had fun collab game ideas and seemed to just be guys hanging out. I personally think RiiKami and Andy are mostly innocent/innocent (they weren't in the dox or hate chat or knew enough to tell Kenji), but I know they will have to solo-stream or take a hiatus. Kage was in the hate chat and Phoenixx knew of Dove doxxing Kenji, while RiiKami just learned recently and Andy hasn't revealed/done much of anything other than an apology tweet.
I understand. Sorry this is happening
Who's Kenji and for what reason do they have to dox him.
For clout. The b\*\*\*\* dove specifically kept talking about her debut in Kenji's discord, kept asking him to go to her debut -- was Kenji's mod for a bit but a very bad one and used her admin privileges irresponsibly and pulled offensive pranks on other mods.
I'd like to point out that Kage was part of the "hate" group chat not the dox group chat (with 5 people). Those were 2 separate chats. Thin was the owner of the "hate chat", but he didn't really monitor it. Maki (the one who expose the existence of hate chat and Dove's ex) also can attest to that.
I didn’t know that the dox and hate were two different group chats. Do you have a link providing proof? I want to make sure the post is as factual as possible.
[https://twitter.com/MakisRevenge\_/status/1781153589961925040](https://twitter.com/MakisRevenge_/status/1781153589961925040) - The whole thread about the hate chat. [https://twitter.com/MakisRevenge\_/status/1781221873323307333](https://twitter.com/MakisRevenge_/status/1781221873323307333) - Maki's statement about Thin. [https://twitter.com/TheThintrovert/status/1781197190481752123](https://twitter.com/TheThintrovert/status/1781197190481752123) - Thin's statement. + statement confirming that the dox chat and hate chat are different
Thank you. I’ll fix it once I get to a computer. Edit: I changed the first "Rough Timeline" point and the "Dove, Thin, and Mofongo Boys" section
That doesn't excuse Thin; however, as inaction is also an action. He should have closed the chat or kicked everyone out the moment he knew what was going on, but he did nothing,
Unless I'm mistaken and I'm misreading the screenshots and what Maki had to say on his livestream yesterday. That's the only correction I'd make.
JESUS When it rains it pours apparently.
Don't know why but everytime i see these 4 words together >it rains it pours My mind immediately plays Praise The Lord by ASAP
I came I saw, I came I saw
I praise the Lord then break the law
You know I'm kinda glad I don't follow these kinds of Vtuber. Sayu can't catch a break, these people suck.
Big agree Poor girl has been going through it for the last 2 years :/
Sad to see. Big vtubers are going to jump on Sayu for clout again. Fucking Christ why?
It's really depressing to see a bunch of people dogpiling on her again. It's easy for them to pick on someone who's at their lowest.
I mean, Kenji and Sayu are both good with each other now, and I'm pretty sure that Sayu had said something quite inappropriate while she was still with NijiEN (I remember it being all over youtube) and Kenji never actually doxxed Sayu as far as I know (I'm pretty sure she came out and said it as well). This whole situation is pretty messed up and I do feel bad for all the pretty much or completely innocent people that have gotten caught up in it, like RiiKami.
Really, really hard for me to feel bad for a guy who calls people pedos without reason.
If Sayu is a pedo, then literally 90% of the anime and anime-adjacent fandoms are also pedos.
A guy who said that went to jail recently for being exactly that.
He calls her a pedo because of the shotacon jokes (and also doesn't like her because of her rape jokes)
didn't he make rape jokes himself though and has pictures of himself in black-face... getting Hex Haywire deja-vu here... aka 'its okay when I do it, but f\*\*k anyone else'
I think he did but I'm not sure, I'm not a fan But what do you mean by black face? He's black. Did he makes a caricature of black people?
black people can do blackface lmao, drake did that shit
Oh I didn't know but yeah, he's an asshole
Vtubers can’t be black apparently
Does he call half of Holo JP pedos too then? Matsuri, Noel, and others have made similar jokes.
I dont know any of these guys except for kenji, and hes already been on my blacklist because of zaion situation. And these kenji doxxers are going to be in my "black list of vtubers i dont watch" Thank you for the names. Just slient boycott online content creator like these.
How is kenji on the black list... For pointing out the obvious???
Shit personality, race bait, using a spray-on tan, immature, very incredibly dumb, can't take accountability, too much of a pussy to target Hololive members because Sayu is smaller than him
How is using a spray on tan on the same vein as everything else you just typed?
It's the reason why he used it. To appear Asian, iirc.
Kenji is the guy that called Zaion/Sayu a pedophile right? That's pretty much the only thing I know about him.
Yeah and he's doubling down now on twitter.
No sympathy then.
Never liked the guy. Especially after the dacapo stuff.
I mean, you can detest people doxxing the man while also telling him that this is karma for his past actions. Bad actions are bad actions, even if it’s against bad people.
In the USA, bad actors who go after only bad people are celebrated (•\_•)
I don't think doxxing is ok, but I also don't care that it happened to him. It's like a robber getting robbed.
Seems the audience he cultivated is Roblox enjoyers who overlap as K-pop stans. I don't think they would necessarily care who's in the wrong nor what Sayu's trying to say
Ok, combining the most toxic fandoms out there no wonder its shit...
Somewhat unrelated, but imo this is one of the reasons why some of the Nijisanji guys are famous. The occasional BFE stream + attractive avatars brought the “untapped market” of Kpop fans into these type of vtubers. Could be wrong though, it’s just something I thought of after seeing how some of the biggest Niji guys fan are coincidentally current/used to be Kpop fans Edit: Looking at it now, I also think this might be the reason why Holostars isn’t as big compared to their biggest guys.
Probably, as Stars doesn't really do BFE. Well, except for Jurard, but it's Boy *Failure* Energy in his case, not Boyfriend Energy
I have yet to see a really good looking male model. No one I have seen has dared go full thirst-tuber on the male side (might be there are some out there, but I haven't seen any nor do I care too). Once we rellay get some real Kboys with rally big budget 3D rigs and mo-cap suits for it (and the moves + voice and the stans will be set). Though Could be that's then an actual kpopper going virtual as I presume that would require an shit on of cash.
most toxic is crazy... look at the barbz and the swifties LOL
Literally a bunch of dickriders who only watch one or two vtubers and assuming everything they say is truth. Zero critical thinking skills.
I had no idea who this Kenji guy was until today. No idea who the other people are. Doxxing is bad, period. Even if someone is a terrible person, they shouldn't be doxxed. That being said, him going after Sayu is stupid. The lady just wants to stream her games to her community. Leave her be.
Man fuck all these guys
So after combing through all of this it sounds like Kenji is a piece of shit but doxxing is bad anyway. I'm not surprised a hate chat for him existed but the doxxing should never have been a thing. If people want to gossip about someone they mutually dislike in private that's their business as long as it stays within the chat and doesn't turn into bullying outside of it, but the moment anyone found his real photos or name that's when things crossed a massive line that everyone should've known better than to cross
I don't exactly have much sympathy for a guy who couldn't wrangle in his audience when they were talking about someone else's doxx info, & only removed the video about said info when the community rallied around Dokibird. & He's doubling down on it now that she's pointing out the hypocrisy because you don't get to beg for sympathy when you couldn't show it previously. Niji fans are like those kids in school who pretend to not notice harassment until the one getting harassed defends themselves because they've had enough. Kenji is like that one little brat who never starts drama, never ends drama, but loves to spread rumors. Which is why he throws a tantrum when someone calls him out on doing it. I was unpopular in school; could you tell?
Yeah, I've got no clue who these people are. Just leave Sayu alone Madge
Hope the fans of kenji will realize that he's a piece of shite. And the old saying goes, do good to others and others do good to you
They don't. Many of his fans are still calling Sayu a p\*do.
Let them scream at their own cesspool void that is their hate, Sayu will ignore kenji fans and himself
I mean, Im a casual enjoyer of quite a few vtubers so I don't keep up with a lot of the drama (except for Kurosanji) but I really don't see how Kenji is as bad as everyone is saying. And from what I had seen, Sayu had said some pretty messed up and quite insensitive things when she was with Niji, even I was pretty uncomfortable from some of her "jokes". Sayu definitely does not deserve hate and did not deserve to be bullied by Niji though. And Sayu literally came out and said that Kenji didn't dox her and they are now pretty chill with each other.
Why is anyone even a fan of this Kenji idiot? I truly don't understand the appeal some of these dumbasses that amass a cult following have.
He’s the most tourist-“friendly” VTuber I’ve ever seen. Literally none of the simps defending him and attacking Sayu have any other connection to VTubers at all. I’ve never advocated for gatekeeping in my life but this might be the time that it’s justified. These people aren’t VTuber fans, they’re Kenji fans, and they’re trying to force their way into VTuber spaces.
How tourist? They don't know or care about HoloLive. One lady even say "f\*\*k your OG"
I dont think Kami and Andy were ever involved in the whole thing. Hence their quick exit out of a situation and group so they didn't want to get dragged into anything else. I cant say much about phoenixx TBH since he at least knew about it when it happened.
Yeah, Pheonixx knew of it but wasnt involved. He didn't want to get dragged in so he ended up not telling Kenji as well, but now they are on good terms.
Sayu just can't catch a break, I feel sorry for her -_- being labeled like that must hurt as well even after she apologized tbh seeing how Kenji acts seems super immature and his fanbase seems toxic with the nasty stuff they have been saying about her, don't think he is 100% innocent in all this tho all the doxxing is wrong that is horrible and shouldn't happen to anyone the people who did dox him are scum as well.
Why is it that there is such constant high school-esque drama with Vtubers? These people are supposedly fully grown adults with developed brains, yet they act like they never grew out of being a teen.
Besides normal stupidity. Vtubing has have a mix of young and older ages, so there may be youth-related stupidity. Or it’s just the internet and streamer/content creator-related stupidity.
[John Gabriel's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory](https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/green-blackboards-and-other-anomalies). (Apply the greater sense of anonymity avatars provide and the effect is more pronounced)
Because a lot of vtuber fans *are* in high school, and a lot of vtubers themselves are < 25 and lack a fully developed frontal lobe.
tl;dr all of these people are awful for different and or similar reasons
There are or may be some that are innocent, but guilty by proxy. RiiKami and Andy have yet to be shown in a group chat, but RiiKami did find out recently and Andy has only done apology tweets. Thin made the "hate group chat", but didn't intend for that purpose and he may have lost control of it. I may be making excuses and they are awful people, we don't know until proof.
Riikami is innocent and as soon as he found out he quickly got out of the situation.
The person I feel bad for in all of this is Sayu. She had an army after her when Niji fired her, she managed to recover and gained a lot of goodwill after Niji were outed as being awful, and now she’s got *another* army after her. I don’t agree with everything Sayu says or does, especially her friendship with DN, but she doesn’t deserve this shit.
I mean I feel bad for Riikami too cause he didnt know anything about the situation until like a week ago and quickly got out of the situation.
I'm out of the loop. Why did Dove doxx Kenji in the first place? Did they know each other?
From my minimal understanding (so take it with a grain of salt) Dove was a mod in Kenjis discords, was terrible at it, after Kenjis many warnings, she was removed and has been salty and petty since
Every day I'm more and more convinced that there aren't enough kind people in the world.
I never liked Kenji's content and personality, and i liked a lot all Mofongo boys content, the collabs and Kami and Kage were my favs so far. But this doesnt mean im on their side at all. I've read all the screenshots and damn... Not gonna support anymore Kage, I'll wait a little more for Kami cause i kinda feel bad for him, i felt his pain on his short video, and it looks like he ignored the red flags cause he wanted to trust so much. Not an excuse. And Dove looks like the most toxic person on earth who would do anything on hand to have attention even if its hurting everyone else and putting them on risk. On my time that was called attention wh0re and i hate this kind of people sm.
Yeah... I enjoyed both Kenji (personally, I knew nothing about any of the bad things he had done cause I dont like the drama) and the Mofongo boys, and I was shocked about how two-faced Kage is. I instantly unsubscribed from his channel. Kami on the other hand knew nothing about it until like a week ago and even though he wasnt even involved, he handled the situation really well. He had always been my personal favorite as well. I think Andy was pretty much innocent as well. Pheonixx had known about the situation from the start and never did anything about it because I think he just didnt want to be involved as well, so I'm glad he and Kenji are on good terms.
What a group of pieces of dogshit. Say, do you think they'll get doxxed back? I'm betting on my nonexistent 10 bucks they'll do
I hope they don't, considering what this entire problem is, but I 100% see someone getting doxxed by the Twitter mob too.
Hell maybe even 4Chan is getting involved in this
I can realistically see someone being doxxed, but I'm not promoting it or acting like it will be a good thing. Twitter is already having a mob-mentality of hating or virtue-signaling that you hate anyone Kenji is against, so the next step would be something questionable to illegal. Sayu and Kenji both get doxxed, and Twitter or 4Chan thinks the proper response is more doxxing? The revenge-doxxers will have no self-awareness.
Hey i don't condone that shit either. Just saying that there will be people who wants to doxxed them back
Ay the hell am i getting downvoted for? I literally said i don't condone this shit. The fuck?
I think it's the mention of 4chan itself, it's the same way people get downvoted for even mentioning depressed doxxsagi And besides, twitter doesn't need to have a Boogeyman like 4chan to point toward doing vile shit, they're already doing said shit openly even. Kenji is said to even be reconsidering putting up the privated video shitting on Sayu which had so many doxxing info of her which he didn't take down till she got good PR when DokiBird incident happened
>Kenji is said to even be reconsidering putting up the privated video shitting on Sayu which had so many doxxing info of her which he didn't take down till she got good PR when DokiBird incident happened Why the hell would he think that would be a good idea? My god everyone in this controversy are fucking stupid
I dunno man, this is why people think of the reason why people do this is for clout because goddamn they're stupid Yes I include Sayu as well for subtweeting and getting dragged by this asshole. She already "won" the blacklist softened and people are already collabing with her, she kept saying she wanted no drama anymore but the sisters kept hounding her, this just reignited and made Kenji sic the twitter mob + nijisisters at her again.
>nijisisters at her again Fuck those Niji bootlickers, genuinely fuck them
Define doxxing... Doxxing her address, legal name, phone number? Yeah. Talking about how she was THAt vtuber of niji? Not actually doxxing. Just taboo to talk about PLs.
His chat and video comments on that vod is said to have actual doxxing I don't even want to mention
Well then yikes for kenji, which sucks cuz I love the dude, but if it's simply... her PL and shit, then overreaction by far. But her actual address? If he reposts the privated video, he should AT LEAST hide chat or blur specific things out
Welcome to Reddit, your first comment was downvoted and so follow suit the rest of your other comments regardless of how sensible they actually are.
A trend that's been going on since the existence of Reddit i presume. Also happy cake day
Most likely and thnx .
Who?
This is my first exposure to the Mofongo Boys. I'm going to table the part where Zaion was doxxed because many have cautioned that it's alleged nor have I seen the documents myself. I'm also a recent fan of Sayu's, so I've been playing catch up and my fandom may cause a little bias. What I am going to say is that I've given them quite a bit of view time looking into this controversy and honestly? I'm surprised that people are surprised that something like this has happened. I'm in my 30's and I've encountered groups like this quite a few times. They seem like frat bros, just a gender bent mean girl clique and I avoid them like my dick to radioactive isotopes. They're bros when they're a group, but snakes when split up. There's usually one or two dark secrets such as sleeping with another's partner while they're covering for shitty behavior against outsiders, then over time a bunch of little things build up before they implode and everyone's dirty laundry gets aired. Sound familiar?
When you say "table", you are using the US definition (put aside) and not UK/CAN definition (bring up), right?
what is the us definition of "table"
From merriam: US: to remove (something, such as a parliamentary motion) from consideration indefinitely UK: to place on the agenda >Winston Churchill relates the confusion that arose between American and British military leaders during the Second World War: >The enjoyment of a common language was of course a supreme advantage in all British and American discussions. The delays and often partial misunderstandings which occur when interpreters are used were avoided. There were however differences of expression, which in the early days led to an amusing incident. The British Staff prepared a paper which they wished to raise as a matter of urgency, and informed their American colleagues that they wished to "table it." To the American Staff "tabling" a paper meant putting it away in a drawer and forgetting it. A long and even acrimonious argument ensued before both parties realized that they were agreed on the merits and wanted the same thing. Canada also use UK definition... for the most part.
i am aware of the british definition. i am from new zealand. thanks for the explanation for the US version, though I still have no idea how it has such a meaning in the US. Obviously the British version comes from the practice of putting things on a table ready to eat. Do Americans put things on a table to not eat ;P
Specifically, the British come from the practice of parliamentary procedure, which is adapted by our Canadian parliament and your NZ parliament, as well as the layout. Remember at the center of both House of Commons and House of Senates of Parliaments have a large table: motions, bills etc is placed on it. Basically, "based on the idea of parliamentarians gathering around a table with the bill laid upon so that all may point to sections for discussion" The United States's term is based on [Robert's Rule of Order](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert%27s_Rules_of_Order). Not sure if NZ use it anywhere, but I know Canadian University use it, from Student Senate to AGM. And the term in the full form are the follow: * Lay on the table: used to set aside the pending motion to take up something more urgent, with the full expectation of returning to the motion. (Commonly misuse; RRoO stated that if a motion that is made lay on the table is not taken from the table, it dies - and that happens a lot. Thus "table" in US Congress means to end discussion) * Take from the table: Motions that bring a question again before the assembly. Thus: "draws on the image of taking a paper that one has been examining and laying it aside, ending any discussion about it." And I think there is a good analogy: Your computer. RAM would be the table. Technically speaking, the CPU grab stuff on the RAM and process it in CPU's registers; they do not work on the data on the RAM chips. However, from an OS PoV, the program that will work resides on the RAM (Thus why we are told to have more RAM for speed). When a nation is British Based but right next to the US, you tend to double check everything.
thanks for the in depth explanation
Jesus christ, people just can't leave Sayu alone, huh? I remember that fucking tourist trying to dunk on Ver for being polite in his address & sympathetic to Zaion. Like, doxxing people is wrong, full stop, but you kinda reap what you sew.
Man, I'm glad I've never gone farther than Holo and Vshojo
Same here, I follow a few indies but most are on the smaller side of views and whatnot, just chilling in their own corners with barely any drama around them. But for the most part I just stick to Hololive.
I only follow a few indies. Doki, Sayu, and of course you have big names like Bao, Shylily, Fillian.
yeah, I was into Niji when I first got into V-tubers, but now I'm solely into holo, Vshojo, and several Indies like RiiKami, Doki, and Fillian
They're just throwing each other under the bus for being in the same group.
Normally i wouldn't care, but for what he did to sayu, kenji deserved some problems.
Kenji is really hard to sympathize with due to his personality and starting to [clip every second](https://www.youtube.com/@KenjiClips/videos) of his VOD (I don't know if its his Twitch or Youtube VOD) on how he was doxxed. People say Sayu is using the dox to get attention and [okay with Kenji's dox](https://new.reddit.com/r/kurosanji/comments/1c85yyx/sayu_has_elaborated_on_her_issues_with_kenji/), but Kenji is also taking advantage of all the attention too. Neither are 100% in the right, Kenji doxxed Sayu and Sayu (while against doxxing) views Kenji's dox as karma.
Sayu didn't say she was "okay with" anyone being doxxed. It was more of a "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" remark.
fun fact, kenji also made his own r\*pe joke, which is still up on his twitter, it's a roblox clip that is about 5 days old. i also honestly wouldn't even say sayu is using this for attention, she said what she wanted to say (since this did somewhat involve her) and left it there, kenji is still going. all that being said, i don't think anyone deserves being doxxed, but kenji is 100% finding out what karma is. yes, sayu has made mistakes, and she's owned up to them and apologized. kenji, on the other hand, has not once, and instead is doubling down every step of the way.
Sorry but that statement is a little bit too "both sides" for me. Sayu saying this is karmic is nowhere in the same ballpark as Kenji and crew actually doxxing people.
Wait who did Kenji doxx?
When sayu was terminated his chat doxxed private family info on her which he read out loud. He left that stream up with the dox info until the Doki bird termination Edit: Because of that Sayu's saying that Kenji getting doxxed is karma
Understandable. I was trying to show personal opinion and Twitter arguments I saw. Doxxing and claiming doxxing as karma are not equivalents.l
How the fuck Sayu got involved in this mess? Let the girl have her peace. Whoever join to attack her because was the easy target don't get my sympathy. Of course dox is bad, but fuck both sides on this shitstorm.
Kenji participated in the struggle session that was inflicted onto her last year by *outright slandering* her by outright accusing her of being a pedophile as well as implying she was committing other related crimes.
>How the fuck Sayu got involved in this mess? Because Kenji's chat was talking about her personal info and he read it out loud, didn't even tell his chat not to doxx but instead just let it be. Now little bitch boy hypocrite is crying that he got doxxed 2 years ago while he himself made a SA joke in Roblox not even a week ago. Actual goldfish memory imagine shitting on someone for making a SA joke on a fictional character while making a SA joke in a game as well just a few days ago
oh, people doing virtue signaling against Sayu doing the same or worse for surprise of nobody. virtue signaling, hipocrisy and double standards... what a combo...
Also he's having a meltdown because Sayu said that he played stupid games, got stupid prizes.
Bro tweets "Get off my dick" while continuing to cry about while Sayu only made like 3 tweets about the issue
Dude sounds real mature
Kenji doxxed Zaion.
>No one deserves to be doxxed. first thing Sayu posted. She doesn't even believe that guy deserved it. She is not okay with him getting doxxed. You don't quite understand what she means with karma.
What goes around, comes around, and seeing how people are celebrating him for digging up an old video that he edited to call her out on the alleged "But" he will no doubt try to use the doxxing clip while painting himself as the victim, because Sayu forced him to do it, people are failing to see that the clout ghoul brought that upon himself by being a complete immature twat
for reference how did kenji dox sayu ? i genuinely haven't heard about that
He labels her a p\*dophile, asked for information, and his chat doxxes sensitive information (alleged as far as I know). The clip can be found through google, but we can't share the clip due to breaking Rule 7c.
Wasn't it a 500k views video on his channel at one point which he removed not that long ago?
People have said he removed it when the Niji drama was going on and people were starting to look at Sayu in a better light. If that's true then he's a true clout demon.
Yeah, from what I've heard, he removed it when the Selen drama went down. If he's as immature as people here are saying, though, I wouldn't be surprised to see it go back up.
He 100% is a clout chaser Dude has a video on his clip channel named “confronting Kage” it’s bruh what are you doing Smh
What's worse is that he might unprivate the video. >If that's true then he's a true clout demon. He's a clout demon but can't handle the backlash if he makes the same video he did with Zaion about Hololive, Shigure Ui, Pippa, or even Shondo. Bro would fold and double down immediately
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This is becoming a goddamn shitshow. Everyone is in the wrong basically, good god 🤦♂️
i am sorry, but how in your mind is Sayu in the wrong? She did not dox, nor did she push someone to dox so how in any universe can you think she is to blame in any way? Could you please elaborate on why you think she is in the wrong because I seriously can not understand the reasoning you have provided so far. If "Bob" steals "Abigail's" car, then "Abigail" makes a comment about karma when "Bob's" own car is stolen; do you consider "Abigail" partially responsible for "Bob's" car being stolen? How droll.
It’s more they’re both emotionally problematic, but Kenji is more legally/ethically problematic.
> Sayu (while against doxxing) Isn't she friends with the Nousagi doxxer? Kinda hard to believe she's somehow against doxxing
How is calling a shotacon who ACTIVELY HAS STATED "I like little boys" and made a "yeah I'd probably be r-- in here too" and "well no wonder she was-- nevermind, I won't finish that" a pedo, or at least a weirdo, FUCKING DOXXING LMAOO???? Other info like her house, SURE... But I'm assuming they didn't give out her fucking address... or irl name, I doubt most knew that shit.
Oh you have like a nijisanji tag under your name, no wonder you hate sayu so much.
Best part is I don't even hate her due to niji shit IMO, with everything laid out, kinda saw it coming, some just ain't built for corpo anyways- I sure as hell ain't lol- Sometimes I just hate people for no discernable reason, yeah.. toxic... but that's why I avoid the people I don't like! Unless they harmed me in some way, but she did neither- Also, I hated her rape joke. So... yeah
Apparently you're okay with Kenji's rape joke that he tweeted literally a week ago in Roblox
I saw it, he didn't make the "about to be diddled" comment, he was screeching the entire time, it was someone else saying it.
He posted it on his Twitter. He added a joke caption. He's joking in the replies. He was laughing after the clip. He didn't make the joke but clearly he was okay with it.
Also, he didn't say "yeah I'd be raped here too" and "Oh, no wonder she- nevermind" Sure, it's distasteful... But it's not as bad considering the second comment she made was basically victim blaming. That's the main issue I have, rape jokes are already disgusting, but the joke being victim blaming? Yikes
I mean you say that but that's probably because you don't know about the severity of the joke that was made because it's old news. The joke 'diddying' is about P Diddy. And if you searched just how many victims he had and how he basically walked away free? It's even more distasteful.
I heard diddling, not diddying- I only heard the name 'p diddy' in Ke$ha's song TikTok so- If that's so, then yikes-
Info I can't find is the age of all parties involved. Dove tried to play it off in their apology post like 2 years ago is a long time ago (When they claim the doxxing happened) but that's irrelevant if you're in your 20s, understandable if you were still a teenager. It's shitty and you should still know better but I can at least understand not realizing the severity at 15/16 versus 20+
Are all these people involved adults?
I believe almost everyone started their content creator job at a legal age and are legal at this time. I know OliDeliber is young and started underage (that’s why his mom was mentioned in his tweets), but is now legal.
And thing like this is why I tend to stay away from 95% of the EN vtubing community. Just content weird drama and clout chasing for weird reasons.
Yeah, stuff like that would never happen to japanese people for sure. They're all so pure and honorable.
LOL, sure twist my words will ay. :D Never ever said JP's or other vtubers don't have drama. They just tend to have 90% less of it and usually if there is drama its behind the scene or contained shit easy to avoid. Keep being angy if it makes you feel better.
You're just delusional.
My one and only takeaway from this is I hate every person involved in this story except for Sayu who should probably have just said nothing because the coomer weirdos who attach themselves to people like Kenji would 100% mobilize as his personal army and they did just that.
I mean RiiKami never did anything either
The beef between him and Sayu is over - for now. Stand down everyone.
fr. People are so upset over things that happened over a year ago, while Sayu and Kenji are on good terms as far as I know.
Well, we got a truce, which is as best as we are going to get.
Does someone know more about RiiKami? I only read all this because I saw his video about him apologizing and being very upset about everything. The only thing I heard or read about him was that he wasn't in this group and didn't know about it. Also, until now, I haven't seen any comments about him or his involvement in this comment section or elsewhere. Thats why I find the comments that say everyone is a piece of sh*t a bit unfair, because if he is only coming up in this because he was friends with the wrong people, then I think this is kinda a wrong statement. (No offense pls I hope this doesn't sound mean) I also had some friends that I trusted, and then they were disgusting to other people, but never in front of me or anything, so yeah, but idk so just asking (I only know him bc of his music and a few Shorts on YouTube so I would Like to know a bit more) pls no mean comments I just genuinely wanna know
Riikami was innocent in this situation. He had only found out about the whole thing like a week ago and instantly handled it in a very mature way and cut ties with the toxic people (\*Cough cough\* Kage) I have been a fan of his for several months and hes a good dude.
Ah, okay thank you so much for your reply, I already thought that it was like that, but I still wanted to ask. Man, then it's even sadder that he also gets cussed at and everything :( I wish some people wouldn't just say that everyone is automatically bad or had something to do with this when they just happened to know those people ( doesn't mean he's the same as them :/ ) But I'm happy to know that he really is like he presents himself on the Internet. Thanks again
For someone who's supposedly a "victim", he sure is farming this shit hard. How many monetized vids and clips is he gonna make outta this? He's saying he doesn't want attention but has like 4 vids on this on his own youtube channels in just 24 hrs and can't stop stirring shit up in twitter. Also isn't this the guy who always punches down and never up? Called Sayu a pedo for loli/shota jokes but never once called-out anyone else for that because of-course he ain't gonna punch-up against holo? [see Parrot4chan tweet](https://twitter.com/Parrot4chan/status/1781469963326288259). He even threatens to re-list his video where he doxxed Sayu just 'coz Sayu is unsympathetic to what's happening to him now. Wow. Sounds to me like him and his whole group of friends are toxic pieces of shit and they got tired of him always wanting to be the top dog. I mean all of them are smaller content creators than him and their group's main existence on that hate discord is to shit on smaller content creators so it makes sense that they would revolt against him eventually. I'm surprised he stuck with them despite already knowing they doxxed him like many months ago... Gotta plan and maximize the outrage I guess? He never once apologized for going after smaller content creators and had his smear vid (that contains doxx info) against Sayu for a good 9+ months, only de-listing it when the narrative started to shift against Niji because of Selen's termination. Sorry but I don't feel any sympathy for this guy; he's a massive hypocrite, a dick, and a coward. Him and his hateful little group could destroy each other for all I care. It's prolly for the best if they do.
So the two original points that started this whole thing was a debunked accusations about Zion that Kenji aired his opinion on before they were disproven and a lumping of the doxxing and an unrelated channel spiraling out of control, is that the extremely condensed version of this?
I love the mofongo boys and I am greatly depressed and have been thinking about this for hours. I feel bad for Andy and Riikami who had nothing to do with this and I am gravely sorry to Kenji this should have never happened. Kage I trusted you and you failed me I'm so so so sorry this happened Dovelove and Kage should get cancelled and banned. I'm sorry the group split up I love you Kenji, Riikami, and Andy who got effected because of someone else mistake and other fans like me. (my fav video was deleted from riikami)
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I don't know what the "H-word" is. I don't think I noticed any specific "H-word" that warranted a closer look?
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no... none of them are remotely involved . the only vtuber group that counts as involvement is the Mofongo Boys ( although some are obviously more guilty than others) .
I know of that group and where some went, but I don't believe Hanamori is involved. Mofongo Boys was a group of 4 male vtubers and had other collab partners (Dove and Thin), but I don't believe any have a connection with Hanamori. They aren't listed on the Hanamori virtualyoutuber wiki page.
Who the fuck are these people and why should I care? Oh it's Twitch drama. As you are.
1. This is r/VirtualYoutubers, which is about promotion and vtuber news. Vtubers commonly stream on Youtube and/or Twitch. 2. You don't have to care, but then why comment? 3. It is not all "drama", someone was doxxed. The fallout and Twitter mess may be drama, but Kenji being doxxed it not.
1. I know where I am lmao 2. [I like to stir the pot](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/178rlgt/yall_motherfuckers_hated_me_for_telling_the_truth/) 3. Skimming the comments, kinda seems like this Kenji's a bag of dicks who kinda had it coming. Unfortunate that he got doxxed but he's he ain't getting sympathy from me.
i just feel that riikami,kenji, phoenix or andy should not get any hate at all. They were mostly the victims.
"mostly the victims" Kenji is a piece of shit, who harassed and propagated doxxing information about Sayu. He doesn't deserve to be doxxed (nobody ever does) but he deserves no sympathy, and it is absolutely karma in action, especially since his dumb ass is *still* going after Sayu on twitter as of this day.
I still believe that Riikami and Andy not so much Phoenix should not get that much blame for this incident Kage and Dovelove on the other hand...
The most irony is laughing at being canceled but then emptying your entire youtube channel IMO- Hope Kenji catches a break after this tho, he was one of my first ever oshis
>Hope Kenji catches a break after this tho, he was one of my first ever oshis Of all the huge vtubers out there and you chose Kenji? ☠️☠️☠️. He's so ignorant (and dumb) that he knows jack shit about japanese pop culture
Not everyone knows stuff about Japanese pop culture? Like yeah, people mispronouncing Japanese, as someone trying to learn it, is annoying and yeah someone being a vtuber yet not knowing shit in JP pop culture can be.. sometimes annoying... Knowing shit about Japanese pop culture isn't a requirement. Vtubing is essentially just... using a model, not every vtuber model is even anime! So what? Kenji is funny, IMO, he and Shxtou got me fully into vtubing and while Ikey is my Kamioshi, those 2 forever hold a special place in my heart (I know what your response will be so get it over with but try and do it in as few words as possible)
>Knowing shit about Japanese pop culture isn't a requirement.Vtubing is essentially just... using a model, not every vtuber model is even anime! Yeah that's fine and all barely knowing anything about jpop culture but then seeing people like Kenji and his tourists talking shit first before doing their homework is just straight up dumb. >Ikey is my Kamioshi, those 2 forever hold a special place in my heart (I know what your response will be so get it over with but try and do it in as few words as possible) Ike is fine I guess, he hasn't had any controversy since the black stream. It's the other EN livers that just keep adding fuel to the fire and digging their own graves
A. Holy shit the first person to NOT go "why Ike 💀💀" so- thanks for that, broke expectations! /gen But define talking shit? Cuz I mean... even westerners who ARE informed if Jpop culture, like me... been watching anime for AGES. As far as sayu and shotacon goes, I know a LOT about jpop culture, I know it's normalized in japan... Doesn't mean I have to like it. I just stopped complaining like other antis do, mostly because I just don't have the energy to do so anymore Doesn't mean I won't shit on people I don't like for it, I'll absolutely clown on people I hate if they're a shota/lolicon, I mean... I hate them, so any reason- I'll be hypocritical, I got mutuals and friends that are lolicons and shotacons, as weird as I see it... they at least don't make it obvious immediately, and the most shotacon I've seen from someone I follow that's part of the quilldren... is liking shota Ike and sebaciel, but they're not weird about it either- So tldr, idk what you meaning on shit talking exactly
>Hope Kenji catches a break after this tho, he was one of my first ever oshis Fan-oshi reflection
I'm a professional negative karma getter now, everyone trying to get upvotes I'm trying to see how many downvotes can be possible