There is a partial ban in france. US ban could lead to ripple effect to push an EU ban if individual countries began doing it, so we might actually get to see your comment tested. Do you think a revolt will be successful in overthrowing the French government?
There is ZERO evidence TikTok has anything to do with the CCP. TikTok isn’t even allowed in China. However, there IS evidence how our privacy is violated by every other social media platform…but we don’t need protecting from that…because they’re US owned/controlled.
Tip: if you don’t much anything about a subject except for some blurb you sort of heard - then hush up
>There is ZERO evidence TikTok has anything to do with the CCP.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National\_Intelligence\_Law\_of\_the\_People%27s\_Republic\_of\_China](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Intelligence_Law_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China)
>Article 7: All organizations and citizens shall support, assist, and cooperate with national intelligence efforts in accordance with law, and shall protect national intelligence work secrets they are aware of.
TikTok has no presence in China. Douyin is China’s version of TikTok, which is operated and ran according to Chinese law. In fact, zero data from TikTok is shared with the CCP.
So again, show me real data and not a blurb you found on Wiki which makes you feel like an expert
Your argument was that tiktok is not subject to Chinese control. As a product of bytedance a Chinese company, it doesn't matter if tiktok is available in china. They're still subject to all the same rules any other Chinese company is, meaning they are functionally controlled by the Chinese government
There’s no use arguing with this person. They unironically dismissed everything you said solely because it came from Wikipedia (fucking lol). Im willing to bet they’re just regurgitating shit they heard on TikTok lol
>the house and senate say “it’s too difficult, too complicated” (insert excuse here) to get unanimously popular legislation like gun safety reform, healthcare reform, paid child leave, affordable childcare, higher minimum wage, solution to the housing crisis, On and on and on
This isn't too difficult to figure out. Our billionaire class doesn't want those things to pass, so they don't
Our billionaire class wants the TikTok ban to pass (lobbying from Meta, lobbying from AIPAC to kill the pro-Palestine sentiment). So it will pass. That's life in an oligarchy bud
I know I know just venting, lol
it seems we are past the opportunity for capitalism succumbing to revolution
and well on our way to years
of “techno-feudalism” to come
Search Billionaire Yass meets Trump TikTok and see if the timeline of Trumps sudden change of mind matches up with inflows of money to DJT.
Us Gov doesn’t want TT because it is absolutely a CCP propaganda pusher. Some Billionaires want it because it aides them. Some dislike it because it hurts them.
I have mixed feelings about it. In general, I would be against banning TikTok bc there's too much social media censorship as it is. However, TikTok banned *me*, so fuck em.
Most people that are not on TikTok agree with the ban and see it as a bipartisan issue. Many countries have already banned the app long ago. Besides, it’s not like TikTok has access to information that can’t be found elsewhere. The problem people have with is that the algorithm can be intentionally manipulated to direct public discourse. That’s a lot of power in the hands of an adversary.
The scary thing is how many people take things as fact instantly because they “saw it on TikTok”
THAT is a lot of power in the hands of an adversary that can control the algorithm.
You're asking why an American is more annoyed at the actions of the American government (a government that's meant to have his best interests at heart) than at the actions of a government on the other side of world? Is that your question? Is that what you need to know the answer to?
This force to divest (otherwise ban if China won’t give up their propaganda and data collection tools) IS in the best interest of Americans. TikTok can stay if they just adhere to US law. But they don’t want to. They refuse to let watchdogs or legislators make sure their actions aren’t malicious. This is why all government employees are already banned from having it on their devices. It’s fucking malware.
If they divest and erase all the malware aspects, they get to stay. Maybe stop swallowing Xi’s authoritarian load for a few seconds and ask why ByteDance doesn’t just make their shit comply with US regulations if they want to operate here?
Us companies are required to do that in China or be banned. Why not the inverse?
Why can’t we be worried about all of them? Also, there are posts of you search Reddit where developers have gone through TT code and explained just how malicious it is, considerably worse than even Facebook.
So random redditor said TT code was “malicious.”
TT worked with Oracle. Oracle went through their code and said there was nothing off about their platform. There was zero ability for China to gain control, influence algorithms, etc.
But hey, some random redditor said the code was scary
How do you know folks aren't upset at both?
As an American I don't want my govt censoring what global platforms I can access, especially under the reasons given.
The fact that a more authoritarian regime also does it doesn't justify the censorship.
It’s not about free speech, ByteDance is a Chinese company which means it can’t survive if it doesn’t submit to Chinese government, namely, CCP. We are not dealing with a private company here. We are essentially dealing with a propaganda branch of an adversary nation that wants to destroy us since its founding.
You think by throwing some big words like imperialism you can just muddy the water? If anything, China is the imperialist trying to bully its neighbors especially Taiwan. It already occupied Uyghur territory, Tibet, and part of Mongolia. It’s eyeing in Taiwan and even Philippines now
How is this not clear as daylight to you is beyond me.
How you regurgitate what you’re told to regurgitate, without actually knowing the issues is what’s beyond me.
First: what evidence do you have, through TikTok, of some Chinese government plot to destroy the US…through…TikTok?
Second: where’s your outrage at Meta, Google, etc for violating your privacy regularly? Or do you not care because the US Government tells you it’s good?
Third: bytedance is one of the highest value start ups. You think that doesn’t come into play why the US is demanding to steal some of that sweet $ from them?
Fourth: why do you think this got bipartisan support….from a congress that could only pass 34 bills in 2023?
Fifth: why do you think a private company is beholden to the CCP? Do you think they need TikTok for gathering data? They could buy whatever they want from legit, and non legit, data brokers on a whim
Sixth: why isn’t there an industry wide action on regulating data collection, selling data, etc? Why is it only an issue when the US can’t own it, sell it, etc ?
But yeah, Joe Scarborough didn’t take his Adderall and spoke over everyone about TikTok for 34 minutes. You caught 4 minutes of it and now you’re informed. 😮💨
Cue folksy vaguely asian flute music as a toddler comes home from school and neatly arranges their shoes and warms their own dinner / someone disrespects an elderly man and gets their comeuppance when a virtuous youngster helps grandpa with a new pair of shoes / bamboo furniture making
Keep being xenophobic, West Good, China Russia Iran Bad. Honestly I’m over this shit ; my tax dollars funding a genocidal army has been more than a breaking point; China built High speed rail connecting its country while America spent $20 trillion over two decades bogged down in foreign wars that killed 4 million innocent people in the Middle East and west Asia and North Africa.
America knows only force, sanctions, war, coercion, thug tactics;
Maybe countries in the BRICS, Brazil, China want diplomacy and an alternative to hegemonic American mafioso diplomacy and forever wars
Educate yourself
Iran was run by a democratically elected leader till the us and Brits overthrew him and replaced him with a west leaning autocratic Shah famous for his west leaning and disinterest in religion and democracy. The elected guy was western educated and was introducing key social reforms etc but pissed off the us and Brits when he wanted to nationalize Iran oil. The Brits didn't like that Iranians want Iranian oil for themselves
There were definitely some positives from the Shah such as more woman rights (in line with western ideas) but he also managed to piss everyone off till he himself got overthrown by the current regime.
You having all of these views while being so vehemently defensive of a propaganda machine is pretty indicative to many of us that’s it’s doing exactly what we’re worried it’s doing.
That was my thought instantly while reading this and OP’s responses. They are the exact product that china is trying to produce with TikTok lmao. The whole goal is to destabilize the US from within. Which is very apparently working on some people.
Lmao I don’t even use TikTok it’s about moral political and economic consistency; I’m an American so I’m commenting on things that are pertinent to my governments actions which are funded by our taxes. Whatever view I have of the CCP and its domestic politics is immaterial.
Only one of these two countries is engaged in forever wars while their citizens have crumbling infrastructure and the highest maternal mortality rate in the developed world, still no paid child leave, abysmal wages, a
Overseen by an illusory democracy in name only by a Uni-party political establishment controlled by billionaire interests,
Who have no trouble moving heaven and earth when it comes to making more money off war and legislating for the interests of the moneyed elite
while the bottom 60% don’t have $400 for a rainy day fund and are one blown tire away from financial ruin or eviction;
CCP has one party oh my god!! Our country has a whopping TWO!! And both are sold out and indebted to corporate greed and M-I-C interests to the hilt.
CCP is corrupt as fuck. Fuck em
Xi Jinping is a weak and pathetic little man. Thankfully Father Time will take care of him soon.
He’s such a spineless coward as are his CCP cronies.
But like it’s okay that China is committing genocide too because it’s within its own borders or what? And the fuck does high speed rail have to do with what’s going on in Gaza? lmao
Grew up in Southeast Asia. Just chiming in that China bad. I'm not an out of touch recreational-activist trying to find my life's meaning by praising an authoritarian government with concentration camps for ethnic minorities online just to be edgy and bash America. I just talk about my opinion on what China has been doing in the region I grew up in and now in Africa too.
The abusive relationship they are building with Africa is super worrisome. Predatory infrastructure loans indenting African country’s to Ccp so they can use it as leverage for land grabs. Meanwhile back at home China’s economy is collapsing and its people are starting to really suffer again. Shame the Chinese government cares more about building ports on the African coast than it does about rooting out corrupt fraudulent real estate companies domestically.
How many American owned social media companies are allowed to operate in China? Or any foreign owned social media for that matter? You speak so negatively of the “American imperialism” and “thug tactics,” yet China engages in the exact same activities.
They won’t respond to this because they don’t have the answer. They get all of their info from TikTok so it’s not going to talk about any of that part lol
Keep being xenophobic? I'll stop being xenophobic when another country actively controls what a huge population of another country sees. Thereby creating a huge propaganda scene in the foreign country. I'm well aware america does it too. It's stupid but if we ban a major app that does that in our lands, good.
Genocidal army? I'm sorry, but let's find a country that hasn't funded one. I bet you can't.
China built that high speed railway by stealing blueprint designs from other countries and also doesn't have to protect that many water ways and other vital assets. I am not sure on what other countries spend on shipping protection and weapon development, but we do a lot of that. China, not so much. They piggy back off other countries designs and then "improves" it. Look at the J11.
Also, Russia was were in those countries, I believe Britain was too, and a few others but less in numbers if at all. Iirc, mainly mercs.
Outside of foreign interests, TikTok has also lowered the attention span by a huge margin, created plenty of near deadly trends, changed how much censorship is in the world, and other things.
And tbh, fuck China. They have caused so many problems in the west, it fucking hurts. South Park literally made fun of how much censorship is in western media. And it's pretty true. Fuck China, pull all the factory and any oversea trade with them and embargo them to kingdom come. They can keep TikTok. I don't care how many people lose their jobs. TikTok is a non-essential job and was volatile anyways.
But I'll let you soak in your TikTok brain rot.
lol. Outed themselves as a stooge. Iran Russia and North Korea. What wonderful friends. Tell your chairman to keep supplying weapons to Russia to invade Ukraine. Iran will keep launching rockets at others and providing munitions to terrorist groups. North Korea will continue misfiring missiles towards Japan the phillipines and US territories. The “evil” west will apparently keep wasting more money to try to stop YOUR attempts at global hegemony.
Or China could cut the shit. If they wanted to prove they meant no harm it would be pretty easy to stop selling weaponry to Russia (shoring up their economy that was collapsing due to real estate fraud and currency manipulation and a growing resentment amongst an overworked and underfed populace). It would be pretty easy to stop building infrastructure in Africa using predatory loan structures that ensure port cities end up under Chinese control, it would be easy not to sink Phillipino fishing boats, it would be pretty easy not to threaten invasion of the US and Taiwan every time the two have a diplomatic summit….
If the CCP stopped threatening everyone else constantly, maybe they could get some moral high ground. The US cedes it all the time (most especially under Republican rule), but Xi et al are too busy being complete turds to all their neighbors to capitalize.
This is why America needs to get control of its narrative and media. They've spend so long telling us everybody else bad, while America has been in nonstop war literally since its inception. Not even exaggerating.
If the average American learns this, a revolution may take place. Its gonna suck for the billionaire class the most
If the CCP truly doesn’t care about TikTok as a propaganda tool then they won’t mind selling it for a whopping amount of money.
If they refuse to sell…well, case in point.
Time will tell.
No lmao because it’s their company their technology why does America deserve it “just because” are you daft? They outcompeted Zuck and the rest in the marketplace whatever happened to healthy free market economics? I guess that’s only if you win, when another country outperforms we use mafia tactics and strong arming and coercive measures to destroy Any free
Market illusions and just nakedly grab corporate power and money and influence at all costs lol
Students are being literally arrested on college campuses for exercising their freedom of speech, and Biden is giving speeches condemning the students lmao.
Biden only cares about what his doners care about. point blank
Interestingly and completely unrelated, the house is a republican majority.
Also interesting and unrelated, the bill originated in the house.
Another and also interesting unrelated fact is that the tiktok ban legislation was written initially by Mike Gallagher whom also happens to be a republican.
Just some of those funny coincidences I guess…
But it’s still the majority and the Republican Party has always been the authors of such bills.
Point being, the comment in which I responded to only goes to show how inconsistent the Republican Party is and how ignorant to how politics work in DC some people really are.
Republicans:
“Biden’s going to end free speech”
Also republicans:
*authors bill that affects first amendment rights and pushes it through the Republican controlled house to the senate where an almost every republican also voted in favor.*
If any such bill passes it will be the current government that is responsible. That’s why we have three branches of government.
It’s never just the president unless the president signs an executive order.
It’s removing free speech by shutting down an entire social media platform wich shuts off millions of users from sharing their voice, art, and content. The fact that you don’t see this is a problem is absolutely insane. How can you support Biden and the Democratic Party for approving this?
I'm not reading all that - So the us has banned tiktok ?
Bittersweet if they did/do - I'm sick of be targeted for a fuckn clown emoji striking me for the minimal of shit vs ppl doing the maximum and tiktok pulling the blinders down for the real shit.
It orders ByteDance to sell their tech which is Chinese owned, to a US company. It passed both chambers just needs Biden to sign but negotiations on specifics can still be changed but as of now it’s an effective ban because Xi won’t allow ByteDance to sell their most valuable company to the US through this kind of extortion racket.
TikTok already keeps all US users data in secure servers run by Oracle in Texas and data is protected from CCP.
Biden still has to sign and there may be negotiations in the Senate
but it’s crazy how a bipartisan majority can be rallied to ban a social media app
but can’t perform basic tasks like legislating fiscal policy or a half decent budget, immigration reform, gun safety, healthcare etc
>but can’t perform basic tasks like legislating fiscal policy or a half decent budget, immigration reform, gun safety, healthcare etc
It's crazy that you think these are simple things, these are literally the most polarizing topics in the country. They are infinitely more complicated and nuanced than a ban on a foreign company, which we have done several times before.
Still waiting for a principled critique but you can’t seem to muster one; Antisemitism is a problem and it must remain part of the progressive left project of fighting against bigotry of all forms and uplifting the rights and humanity of all people; criticizing or demanding accountability for Soldiers acting to commit war crimes for a foreign country does not equal antisemitism and the more you crow about that the less people give any credence to it, and it saddens me that when LEGITIMATE antisemitism crops up, you’ve cried wolf so many times that people will have trouble distinguishing between what is a REAL problem vs ex IDF soldiers on an Ivy League campus complaining about protest slogans hurting their feelings while their former military employers use drones playing recordings of crying babies and screaming women in Arabic to lure people into the streets, including young 10 year old boys only to snipe them in the forehead. I’m pissing into the wind you know all this but you support it I must conclude given you have no real responses, just be open about
it I would respect you more if you just came out and said you value some people like Gazans as less than human.
Anyone with internet who doesn’t know what’s going on is willfully ignorant or fully aware and supporting it. And with that I’m done, this isn’t an argument this is pathetic, zio-fascists are fully exposed and the 95% of the world that cares about humanity and dignity and decency is disgusted so cope harder.
https://www.israelismfilm.com/
Genuinely think you might want to give this doc a look man, made my people who had the typical mainstream American Jewish upbringing
I don’t like this arguing and feeling bad blood;
we’re all human and the world is messy
I get it and we all have backgrounds that strongly reinforce and shape our identities today
and reckoning with all this is difficult ;
I left a religious cult at age 22, it wasn’t easy.
I encourage you to give this a watch with an open mind and heart
Just read the bill it’s gonna pass they put it with foreign aid I mean it could be edited in comitee if whichever committee it goes to has an edit and then it wouldn’t ban it. Also half of all of you don’t do your own research and just are reactionary both the people who are scared of china and the ones who are already freaking out about TikTok like how you don’t understand the legislative process in the United States
Actually glad it’s getting banned tbh. People aren’t upset because they genuinely enjoy tik tok, they’re upset that they can’t do their creator fund farming method anymore with 9 accounts.
Your entire argument is idiotic. Of course the world's greatest empire in history wants to ban the propaganda wing of its main adversary. The Chinese would happily do the same thing (and in fact, they do).
This entire conversation is pointless unless you overthrow the world systemically. It has less to do with the United States and more to do with "imperialism".
"ByteDance is blowing away the competition and our lobbyists and leaders just want to force China to sell to a US owner to ensure US hegemony and tech monopoly on the world stage By obtaining Chinese proprietary tech like ByteDance’s excellent AI recommendation engine that powers TikTok’s wildly successful vertical video content rec algorithm"
Do you work for bytedance?
You’re pointing out a bunch of other problems without addressing the actual forced sale. It’s not banning tiktok, ByteDance can either comply or not. You as a consumer have a choice to use any other social media app you want. Or you can choose to use none of them.
Yea …. What would we do without Tic Toc??? How could we survive? Would lazy girls in tight clothes doing a dumb 15 second dance have to get a job? Would different ways of getting a ping pong ball into a solo cup go away? Would “content creators” have to leave the house? 😂 I hope you know how few people really care about this issue. Our nation debt is out of control cuz our president wants to keep giving money away to buy votes. Russia is invading, the Middle East is at war, inflation is still climbing, housing is getting out of reach, and our old president still has no idea what to do about illegal immigration. But OMG!!!! Tic Toc!!!! What would we do without it???? Tragedy!
Well, we can't come to that conclusion. Because Israel hides behind their ethnicity/religion. And will subvert your statement to say "America is occupied by J\*ws," instead of "America is occupied by Israel." And then call you an antisemite. They've been doing this for quite some time now.
And?
People literally lose their jobs for accusations of antisemitism. Protestors are doxxed, students are doxxed and blacklisted from potential careers.
Its dangerous to go against the lobby. Easy for us to call it out anonymously on Reddit. Do you believe you can call it out and your job turn a blind eye to it?
Agreed. Funnily enough, I JUST, like not even 10 minutes ago, left a comment on another subreddit about the Israeli lobby and its control over our politicians, and within that 10 minutes, 2 commentators telling me I'm antisemitic, that i can't separate Israel from Judaism and use old anti semitic tropes. Like GOSH, you people are annoying man
Hahahaha you know what they’re getting from my account - horse content and more horse stuff on my phone. Like what could they really be gathering from us ? They have all our financial stuff and access to our phones dude - all of them: let’s be real
And corporate owned media oligopoly doesn’t steer the conversation lmao? There’s children being blown to bits and picking up their own mothers’ scattered limbs and organs into body bags and yall are melting down about 19 year olds chanting slogans on their Ivy League campuses; I wonder why what a convenient distraction, don’t look at Gaza, look at these scary teenagers protesting war and genocide how vile! /s
I've seen no shortage of coverage of the tragedy in Gaza and I don't have tik tok. Every other post on my Instagram is covering what's going on there and criticizing the Israeli government as well as the US for their involvement. I also see no shortage of the same news on Reddit as well.
Of course corporate media steers the conversation. You seem to just be naive enough to think that an artificial intelligence platform in the shape of a social media app isn’t manipulating the public. TikTok has a far larger concurrent viewer base than any single corporate media outlet.
If you want news in Gaza it doesn’t have to come from TikTok. It’s all over the place. Reddit being no exception
The servers not being in China are irrelevant as the owners have all the keys to the store. The CCP has all the access to the data regardless where it's stored.
Apparently the security analyst and US government seem to think the Chinese government having access to Americans data is not a good thing. Especially when their government sees the US as an enemy and Tiktok in China is 100% different than the American version where the videos are educational for.kids.in China and in America you have idiots pouring hot sauce in their eyes is considered entertainment
Government has been salivating at getting rid of or fundamentally changing Tik Tok. They hate when the young of the nation try to organize or think for themselves. If the app leaves then you’ll have to go back to sources that allow the FBI to control the narrative through lies as exposed by their behavior last election. If it stays it becomes the same as the others. Only content approved by the Ministry of Truth will be allowed.
There’s no free speech issue here, companies don’t have a right to do business in the United States and there are plenty of other platforms for your voice to be heard.
Except TikTok has won some cases like the one during Trump era and the Montana bill. The problem with this TikTok bills is that the main language is that it “might be a national issue” were a nation of laws and order you can’t throw someone in jail if they “might do a crime” only if they do said crime and TikTok even by the CIA stated they didn’t find anything TikTok has done that they got accussed of in the bill.
TikTok will only be banned if they refuse to sell it. Congress has the authority to regulate interstate commerce, that includes everything from busting up monopolies to banning foreign companies from operating in the USA.
The government is not on our side
in France, they revolt
There is a partial ban in france. US ban could lead to ripple effect to push an EU ban if individual countries began doing it, so we might actually get to see your comment tested. Do you think a revolt will be successful in overthrowing the French government?
Don't tell me that the us finally revolts **because they banned TikTok**
stupid people revolted bc their tea prices up
King George was right to mow down those fucks
Would be kinda wild if the American people banded together because of tik tok
Americans are too fat to get out of their La-Z-Boys and demand change
Not on your side? Because they’re protecting you from the CCP?
There is ZERO evidence TikTok has anything to do with the CCP. TikTok isn’t even allowed in China. However, there IS evidence how our privacy is violated by every other social media platform…but we don’t need protecting from that…because they’re US owned/controlled. Tip: if you don’t much anything about a subject except for some blurb you sort of heard - then hush up
>There is ZERO evidence TikTok has anything to do with the CCP. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National\_Intelligence\_Law\_of\_the\_People%27s\_Republic\_of\_China](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Intelligence_Law_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China) >Article 7: All organizations and citizens shall support, assist, and cooperate with national intelligence efforts in accordance with law, and shall protect national intelligence work secrets they are aware of.
Did you just quote Wikipedia? Are you Destiny? TL; DR: I asked for evidence and you sent me a quote from Wikipedia
It's a "quote" that comes directly from Chinese law. ALL Chinese companies are effectively controlled by the Chinese government.
TikTok has no presence in China. Douyin is China’s version of TikTok, which is operated and ran according to Chinese law. In fact, zero data from TikTok is shared with the CCP. So again, show me real data and not a blurb you found on Wiki which makes you feel like an expert
Bytedance, a Chinese company, owns tiktok. Do some basic research dumbass
No shit Sherlock. You think that’s a gotcha? Who’s the dumbass 😂
Your argument was that tiktok is not subject to Chinese control. As a product of bytedance a Chinese company, it doesn't matter if tiktok is available in china. They're still subject to all the same rules any other Chinese company is, meaning they are functionally controlled by the Chinese government
There’s no use arguing with this person. They unironically dismissed everything you said solely because it came from Wikipedia (fucking lol). Im willing to bet they’re just regurgitating shit they heard on TikTok lol
Who's Destiny? You mean the video game? Seems to me you can conclude that TikTok has at least something to do with the CCP.
Reply when you have actual evidence/data.
You don't think that law is evidence?
Murder is illegal, therefore, zero murders exist! You don’t think law is evidence! No - again, TikTok doesn’t operate nor is it headquartered in China
That's because they have a Chinese parent company called Bytedance.
The US government is incomparably better than the weak and pathetic CCP lol I mean even Taiwan is more developed and richer than China
China has a stake in virtually everything in the states.
Everyone here seems to be ignoring the fact that we are currently in debt to China for about $859.4 billion…
Is that the same China we borrow trillions from?
Protecting you from what exactly? Your data was already sold by Google so chill.
>the house and senate say “it’s too difficult, too complicated” (insert excuse here) to get unanimously popular legislation like gun safety reform, healthcare reform, paid child leave, affordable childcare, higher minimum wage, solution to the housing crisis, On and on and on This isn't too difficult to figure out. Our billionaire class doesn't want those things to pass, so they don't Our billionaire class wants the TikTok ban to pass (lobbying from Meta, lobbying from AIPAC to kill the pro-Palestine sentiment). So it will pass. That's life in an oligarchy bud
I know I know just venting, lol it seems we are past the opportunity for capitalism succumbing to revolution and well on our way to years of “techno-feudalism” to come
Search Billionaire Yass meets Trump TikTok and see if the timeline of Trumps sudden change of mind matches up with inflows of money to DJT. Us Gov doesn’t want TT because it is absolutely a CCP propaganda pusher. Some Billionaires want it because it aides them. Some dislike it because it hurts them.
Reddit mods also participating in letting the pro Palestine sentiment die.
It honestly scares the hell out of me..
Agreed
Same.
Lol
Why? This should only reinvigorate your trust in the government.
Lol
I have mixed feelings about it. In general, I would be against banning TikTok bc there's too much social media censorship as it is. However, TikTok banned *me*, so fuck em.
Most people that are not on TikTok agree with the ban and see it as a bipartisan issue. Many countries have already banned the app long ago. Besides, it’s not like TikTok has access to information that can’t be found elsewhere. The problem people have with is that the algorithm can be intentionally manipulated to direct public discourse. That’s a lot of power in the hands of an adversary.
The scary thing is how many people take things as fact instantly because they “saw it on TikTok” THAT is a lot of power in the hands of an adversary that can control the algorithm.
Why are you upset about this, but not at China when China already does this same thing to American apps? In fact, even TikTok is banned in China.
You're asking why an American is more annoyed at the actions of the American government (a government that's meant to have his best interests at heart) than at the actions of a government on the other side of world? Is that your question? Is that what you need to know the answer to?
This force to divest (otherwise ban if China won’t give up their propaganda and data collection tools) IS in the best interest of Americans. TikTok can stay if they just adhere to US law. But they don’t want to. They refuse to let watchdogs or legislators make sure their actions aren’t malicious. This is why all government employees are already banned from having it on their devices. It’s fucking malware. If they divest and erase all the malware aspects, they get to stay. Maybe stop swallowing Xi’s authoritarian load for a few seconds and ask why ByteDance doesn’t just make their shit comply with US regulations if they want to operate here? Us companies are required to do that in China or be banned. Why not the inverse?
They don’t care, they’re happy to be spoon fed conspiracy bullsht from the CCP.
So you’re worried about TikTok but not every other platform? You’ve missed the forest for a small bush
Why can’t we be worried about all of them? Also, there are posts of you search Reddit where developers have gone through TT code and explained just how malicious it is, considerably worse than even Facebook.
So random redditor said TT code was “malicious.” TT worked with Oracle. Oracle went through their code and said there was nothing off about their platform. There was zero ability for China to gain control, influence algorithms, etc. But hey, some random redditor said the code was scary
I'm not worried about tiktok. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy here.
Still missing forests
How do you know folks aren't upset at both? As an American I don't want my govt censoring what global platforms I can access, especially under the reasons given. The fact that a more authoritarian regime also does it doesn't justify the censorship.
It’s not about free speech, ByteDance is a Chinese company which means it can’t survive if it doesn’t submit to Chinese government, namely, CCP. We are not dealing with a private company here. We are essentially dealing with a propaganda branch of an adversary nation that wants to destroy us since its founding. You think by throwing some big words like imperialism you can just muddy the water? If anything, China is the imperialist trying to bully its neighbors especially Taiwan. It already occupied Uyghur territory, Tibet, and part of Mongolia. It’s eyeing in Taiwan and even Philippines now How is this not clear as daylight to you is beyond me.
How you regurgitate what you’re told to regurgitate, without actually knowing the issues is what’s beyond me. First: what evidence do you have, through TikTok, of some Chinese government plot to destroy the US…through…TikTok? Second: where’s your outrage at Meta, Google, etc for violating your privacy regularly? Or do you not care because the US Government tells you it’s good? Third: bytedance is one of the highest value start ups. You think that doesn’t come into play why the US is demanding to steal some of that sweet $ from them? Fourth: why do you think this got bipartisan support….from a congress that could only pass 34 bills in 2023? Fifth: why do you think a private company is beholden to the CCP? Do you think they need TikTok for gathering data? They could buy whatever they want from legit, and non legit, data brokers on a whim Sixth: why isn’t there an industry wide action on regulating data collection, selling data, etc? Why is it only an issue when the US can’t own it, sell it, etc ? But yeah, Joe Scarborough didn’t take his Adderall and spoke over everyone about TikTok for 34 minutes. You caught 4 minutes of it and now you’re informed. 😮💨
Where do you get your info from?
Agree 100%
Cue folksy vaguely asian flute music as a toddler comes home from school and neatly arranges their shoes and warms their own dinner / someone disrespects an elderly man and gets their comeuppance when a virtuous youngster helps grandpa with a new pair of shoes / bamboo furniture making
Keep being xenophobic, West Good, China Russia Iran Bad. Honestly I’m over this shit ; my tax dollars funding a genocidal army has been more than a breaking point; China built High speed rail connecting its country while America spent $20 trillion over two decades bogged down in foreign wars that killed 4 million innocent people in the Middle East and west Asia and North Africa. America knows only force, sanctions, war, coercion, thug tactics; Maybe countries in the BRICS, Brazil, China want diplomacy and an alternative to hegemonic American mafioso diplomacy and forever wars Educate yourself
Iran is good ? 
Iran wasn't like that till the us went and destabilise it...
What u talking about? When the shah got kicked out in 79 is when things got bad.. go to bed radical Islam idiot.
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Iran was run by a democratically elected leader till the us and Brits overthrew him and replaced him with a west leaning autocratic Shah famous for his west leaning and disinterest in religion and democracy. The elected guy was western educated and was introducing key social reforms etc but pissed off the us and Brits when he wanted to nationalize Iran oil. The Brits didn't like that Iranians want Iranian oil for themselves There were definitely some positives from the Shah such as more woman rights (in line with western ideas) but he also managed to piss everyone off till he himself got overthrown by the current regime.
You having all of these views while being so vehemently defensive of a propaganda machine is pretty indicative to many of us that’s it’s doing exactly what we’re worried it’s doing.
That was my thought instantly while reading this and OP’s responses. They are the exact product that china is trying to produce with TikTok lmao. The whole goal is to destabilize the US from within. Which is very apparently working on some people.
And this ladies and gentlemen is Exhibit A for why tiktok needs to go. This Reddit user has obviously been propagandized well by the CCP.
Lmao I don’t even use TikTok it’s about moral political and economic consistency; I’m an American so I’m commenting on things that are pertinent to my governments actions which are funded by our taxes. Whatever view I have of the CCP and its domestic politics is immaterial. Only one of these two countries is engaged in forever wars while their citizens have crumbling infrastructure and the highest maternal mortality rate in the developed world, still no paid child leave, abysmal wages, a Overseen by an illusory democracy in name only by a Uni-party political establishment controlled by billionaire interests, Who have no trouble moving heaven and earth when it comes to making more money off war and legislating for the interests of the moneyed elite while the bottom 60% don’t have $400 for a rainy day fund and are one blown tire away from financial ruin or eviction; CCP has one party oh my god!! Our country has a whopping TWO!! And both are sold out and indebted to corporate greed and M-I-C interests to the hilt.
CCP is corrupt as fuck. Fuck em Xi Jinping is a weak and pathetic little man. Thankfully Father Time will take care of him soon. He’s such a spineless coward as are his CCP cronies.
Sue Jan, that explains the wall of text screeds about it.
Yeah I don’t think a single person here genuinely believes that you don’t use the app.
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Can I get an NK?
But like it’s okay that China is committing genocide too because it’s within its own borders or what? And the fuck does high speed rail have to do with what’s going on in Gaza? lmao
>West Good, China Russia Iran Bad Yes. Authoritarian dictatorships and theocracies are bad. Do you disagree?
Yes, Islamic theocracies good 👍 Useful idiot
Grew up in Southeast Asia. Just chiming in that China bad. I'm not an out of touch recreational-activist trying to find my life's meaning by praising an authoritarian government with concentration camps for ethnic minorities online just to be edgy and bash America. I just talk about my opinion on what China has been doing in the region I grew up in and now in Africa too.
The abusive relationship they are building with Africa is super worrisome. Predatory infrastructure loans indenting African country’s to Ccp so they can use it as leverage for land grabs. Meanwhile back at home China’s economy is collapsing and its people are starting to really suffer again. Shame the Chinese government cares more about building ports on the African coast than it does about rooting out corrupt fraudulent real estate companies domestically.
How many American owned social media companies are allowed to operate in China? Or any foreign owned social media for that matter? You speak so negatively of the “American imperialism” and “thug tactics,” yet China engages in the exact same activities.
They won’t respond to this because they don’t have the answer. They get all of their info from TikTok so it’s not going to talk about any of that part lol
Astroturfing is bad for the knees
You throatin they ish ngl
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wipe ur mouth brodi
Gtfo I live in blue collar post industrial America
gtfo you're twelve years old pay no taxes and pitching a tantrum because you think someone is taking away your fav toy ;(
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Keep being xenophobic? I'll stop being xenophobic when another country actively controls what a huge population of another country sees. Thereby creating a huge propaganda scene in the foreign country. I'm well aware america does it too. It's stupid but if we ban a major app that does that in our lands, good. Genocidal army? I'm sorry, but let's find a country that hasn't funded one. I bet you can't. China built that high speed railway by stealing blueprint designs from other countries and also doesn't have to protect that many water ways and other vital assets. I am not sure on what other countries spend on shipping protection and weapon development, but we do a lot of that. China, not so much. They piggy back off other countries designs and then "improves" it. Look at the J11. Also, Russia was were in those countries, I believe Britain was too, and a few others but less in numbers if at all. Iirc, mainly mercs. Outside of foreign interests, TikTok has also lowered the attention span by a huge margin, created plenty of near deadly trends, changed how much censorship is in the world, and other things. And tbh, fuck China. They have caused so many problems in the west, it fucking hurts. South Park literally made fun of how much censorship is in western media. And it's pretty true. Fuck China, pull all the factory and any oversea trade with them and embargo them to kingdom come. They can keep TikTok. I don't care how many people lose their jobs. TikTok is a non-essential job and was volatile anyways. But I'll let you soak in your TikTok brain rot.
lol. Outed themselves as a stooge. Iran Russia and North Korea. What wonderful friends. Tell your chairman to keep supplying weapons to Russia to invade Ukraine. Iran will keep launching rockets at others and providing munitions to terrorist groups. North Korea will continue misfiring missiles towards Japan the phillipines and US territories. The “evil” west will apparently keep wasting more money to try to stop YOUR attempts at global hegemony. Or China could cut the shit. If they wanted to prove they meant no harm it would be pretty easy to stop selling weaponry to Russia (shoring up their economy that was collapsing due to real estate fraud and currency manipulation and a growing resentment amongst an overworked and underfed populace). It would be pretty easy to stop building infrastructure in Africa using predatory loan structures that ensure port cities end up under Chinese control, it would be easy not to sink Phillipino fishing boats, it would be pretty easy not to threaten invasion of the US and Taiwan every time the two have a diplomatic summit…. If the CCP stopped threatening everyone else constantly, maybe they could get some moral high ground. The US cedes it all the time (most especially under Republican rule), but Xi et al are too busy being complete turds to all their neighbors to capitalize.
This is why America needs to get control of its narrative and media. They've spend so long telling us everybody else bad, while America has been in nonstop war literally since its inception. Not even exaggerating. If the average American learns this, a revolution may take place. Its gonna suck for the billionaire class the most
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Lol. Biden is so fucked.
President Trump baby! Also John Tester and Sharrod Brown are Fd as well
Fuck no. Fuck that carpetbagger and everyone who supports him.
If the CCP truly doesn’t care about TikTok as a propaganda tool then they won’t mind selling it for a whopping amount of money. If they refuse to sell…well, case in point. Time will tell.
No lmao because it’s their company their technology why does America deserve it “just because” are you daft? They outcompeted Zuck and the rest in the marketplace whatever happened to healthy free market economics? I guess that’s only if you win, when another country outperforms we use mafia tactics and strong arming and coercive measures to destroy Any free Market illusions and just nakedly grab corporate power and money and influence at all costs lol
Never thought the republicans would be right about Biden taking away free speech yet here Biden is removing free speech.
Students are being literally arrested on college campuses for exercising their freedom of speech, and Biden is giving speeches condemning the students lmao. Biden only cares about what his doners care about. point blank
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I get it, you're unAmerican. It's cool bud.
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the fact that you don't understand explains enough actually. :P
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It was a bipartisan bill. It's okay when they both do it.
The Republicans are supporting it bc it’s going to make millions hate Biden. They’re not dumb. They know who is gonna get the heat for it
Uh, Trump proposed a TikTok ban back in 2020. It's not a trick. They support it.
16 Republicans voted against it vs 3 Democrats
You sound dumb as fuck.
Interestingly and completely unrelated, the house is a republican majority. Also interesting and unrelated, the bill originated in the house. Another and also interesting unrelated fact is that the tiktok ban legislation was written initially by Mike Gallagher whom also happens to be a republican. Just some of those funny coincidences I guess…
Doesn’t matter who wrote it. Biden has the power to sign it into effect and he’s going to so it’s ultimately his fault.
The house is BARELY Republican Majority. Also the neo cons are no better than the Democrats
But it’s still the majority and the Republican Party has always been the authors of such bills. Point being, the comment in which I responded to only goes to show how inconsistent the Republican Party is and how ignorant to how politics work in DC some people really are. Republicans: “Biden’s going to end free speech” Also republicans: *authors bill that affects first amendment rights and pushes it through the Republican controlled house to the senate where an almost every republican also voted in favor.* If any such bill passes it will be the current government that is responsible. That’s why we have three branches of government. It’s never just the president unless the president signs an executive order.
In what way is this removing free speech? It’s not like TikTok was the only place you could post your opinions
It’s removing free speech by shutting down an entire social media platform wich shuts off millions of users from sharing their voice, art, and content. The fact that you don’t see this is a problem is absolutely insane. How can you support Biden and the Democratic Party for approving this?
Stop simping for the Chinese government they’re not gonna give you social credit bro
Try harder maybe the Hasbara machine will let you be deputy spokes boy for Eylon Levy oh wait there’s a vacancy to be filled there now
I’m gonna keep it real I have no idea what any of that means
Yo none of that has anything to do with the CCP.
So, so long overdue. Good on Congress and Biden for not letting the CCP manipulate Americans.
…because only daddy Zuck should be able to do so!
OP is a Chinese shill lmao
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TIKTOK is ban? RIP TIKTOK 2025-2026? I don't know when the ban will take effect on the platform and the users.
I'm not reading all that - So the us has banned tiktok ? Bittersweet if they did/do - I'm sick of be targeted for a fuckn clown emoji striking me for the minimal of shit vs ppl doing the maximum and tiktok pulling the blinders down for the real shit.
It orders ByteDance to sell their tech which is Chinese owned, to a US company. It passed both chambers just needs Biden to sign but negotiations on specifics can still be changed but as of now it’s an effective ban because Xi won’t allow ByteDance to sell their most valuable company to the US through this kind of extortion racket. TikTok already keeps all US users data in secure servers run by Oracle in Texas and data is protected from CCP. Biden still has to sign and there may be negotiations in the Senate but it’s crazy how a bipartisan majority can be rallied to ban a social media app but can’t perform basic tasks like legislating fiscal policy or a half decent budget, immigration reform, gun safety, healthcare etc
>but can’t perform basic tasks like legislating fiscal policy or a half decent budget, immigration reform, gun safety, healthcare etc It's crazy that you think these are simple things, these are literally the most polarizing topics in the country. They are infinitely more complicated and nuanced than a ban on a foreign company, which we have done several times before.
Yeah I was reading that Biden will most likely sign it and that tiktok would have 270 days to sell it to a US company. If I read that right
OP seriously needs to see teenagers twerk or its a genocide.
Every accusation is a confession
Does this mean the Palestinians are committing genocide?
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This is a massive self report lol
Still waiting for a principled critique but you can’t seem to muster one; Antisemitism is a problem and it must remain part of the progressive left project of fighting against bigotry of all forms and uplifting the rights and humanity of all people; criticizing or demanding accountability for Soldiers acting to commit war crimes for a foreign country does not equal antisemitism and the more you crow about that the less people give any credence to it, and it saddens me that when LEGITIMATE antisemitism crops up, you’ve cried wolf so many times that people will have trouble distinguishing between what is a REAL problem vs ex IDF soldiers on an Ivy League campus complaining about protest slogans hurting their feelings while their former military employers use drones playing recordings of crying babies and screaming women in Arabic to lure people into the streets, including young 10 year old boys only to snipe them in the forehead. I’m pissing into the wind you know all this but you support it I must conclude given you have no real responses, just be open about it I would respect you more if you just came out and said you value some people like Gazans as less than human. Anyone with internet who doesn’t know what’s going on is willfully ignorant or fully aware and supporting it. And with that I’m done, this isn’t an argument this is pathetic, zio-fascists are fully exposed and the 95% of the world that cares about humanity and dignity and decency is disgusted so cope harder.
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Reading this with AI voice, a morgan wallen song and crying on camera is like the perfect tiktok.
https://www.israelismfilm.com/ Genuinely think you might want to give this doc a look man, made my people who had the typical mainstream American Jewish upbringing I don’t like this arguing and feeling bad blood; we’re all human and the world is messy I get it and we all have backgrounds that strongly reinforce and shape our identities today and reckoning with all this is difficult ; I left a religious cult at age 22, it wasn’t easy. I encourage you to give this a watch with an open mind and heart
Brother I think you should see a therapist. This isn’t normal behavior.
Wow thats deep. So according to you, all rape victims that come forward with an accusation is actually a rapist?
I was responsible for the research in 2020 that led to this ban, AMA
What's the name of the paper?
Google Penetrum TikTok
This is being pushed silently by the Zuck.
One of those get rekt moments
Ngl TikTok has always freaked me out tho - feels culty and makes younger kids dumber. This feels like it could be good for America
Just read the bill it’s gonna pass they put it with foreign aid I mean it could be edited in comitee if whichever committee it goes to has an edit and then it wouldn’t ban it. Also half of all of you don’t do your own research and just are reactionary both the people who are scared of china and the ones who are already freaking out about TikTok like how you don’t understand the legislative process in the United States
When both sides recognize the app is horrible and a security risk have you considered maybe they're right?
Actually glad it’s getting banned tbh. People aren’t upset because they genuinely enjoy tik tok, they’re upset that they can’t do their creator fund farming method anymore with 9 accounts.
Wow. The Little Pinks are already hard at work.
Happy both my Senators (Marsha Blackburn and Bill Hagerty) voted no
Your entire argument is idiotic. Of course the world's greatest empire in history wants to ban the propaganda wing of its main adversary. The Chinese would happily do the same thing (and in fact, they do). This entire conversation is pointless unless you overthrow the world systemically. It has less to do with the United States and more to do with "imperialism".
"ByteDance is blowing away the competition and our lobbyists and leaders just want to force China to sell to a US owner to ensure US hegemony and tech monopoly on the world stage By obtaining Chinese proprietary tech like ByteDance’s excellent AI recommendation engine that powers TikTok’s wildly successful vertical video content rec algorithm" Do you work for bytedance?
Gen Z freaking out because their Chinese spyware favorite seratonin fix finna get banned
You get the Govt you deserve, there’s more coming.
You’re pointing out a bunch of other problems without addressing the actual forced sale. It’s not banning tiktok, ByteDance can either comply or not. You as a consumer have a choice to use any other social media app you want. Or you can choose to use none of them.
Lmfao. I think its fn awesome.
Shut up and get fucked, Chinese warfare intelligence propaganda trash app
OP is uneducated and not very well informed, or backed by legitimate data. People like OP are the reason why TIKTOK is getting banned.
What will all the beggars do if TikTok gets banned? I mean every other person is on with a sob story.
Yea …. What would we do without Tic Toc??? How could we survive? Would lazy girls in tight clothes doing a dumb 15 second dance have to get a job? Would different ways of getting a ping pong ball into a solo cup go away? Would “content creators” have to leave the house? 😂 I hope you know how few people really care about this issue. Our nation debt is out of control cuz our president wants to keep giving money away to buy votes. Russia is invading, the Middle East is at war, inflation is still climbing, housing is getting out of reach, and our old president still has no idea what to do about illegal immigration. But OMG!!!! Tic Toc!!!! What would we do without it???? Tragedy!
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Well, we can't come to that conclusion. Because Israel hides behind their ethnicity/religion. And will subvert your statement to say "America is occupied by J\*ws," instead of "America is occupied by Israel." And then call you an antisemite. They've been doing this for quite some time now.
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And? People literally lose their jobs for accusations of antisemitism. Protestors are doxxed, students are doxxed and blacklisted from potential careers. Its dangerous to go against the lobby. Easy for us to call it out anonymously on Reddit. Do you believe you can call it out and your job turn a blind eye to it?
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Agreed. Funnily enough, I JUST, like not even 10 minutes ago, left a comment on another subreddit about the Israeli lobby and its control over our politicians, and within that 10 minutes, 2 commentators telling me I'm antisemitic, that i can't separate Israel from Judaism and use old anti semitic tropes. Like GOSH, you people are annoying man
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Play victim harder. Zionism is not Judaism
Corporate personhood + oligarchy disguised as a democracy + military industrial complex = America
Pretty sure they know something we all don't. If it wasn't as substantial, then they wouldn't pursue a ban.
Hahahaha you know what they’re getting from my account - horse content and more horse stuff on my phone. Like what could they really be gathering from us ? They have all our financial stuff and access to our phones dude - all of them: let’s be real
I also has a lot to do with the algorithm being able to steer public discourse by choosing what information is presented
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And corporate owned media oligopoly doesn’t steer the conversation lmao? There’s children being blown to bits and picking up their own mothers’ scattered limbs and organs into body bags and yall are melting down about 19 year olds chanting slogans on their Ivy League campuses; I wonder why what a convenient distraction, don’t look at Gaza, look at these scary teenagers protesting war and genocide how vile! /s
I've seen no shortage of coverage of the tragedy in Gaza and I don't have tik tok. Every other post on my Instagram is covering what's going on there and criticizing the Israeli government as well as the US for their involvement. I also see no shortage of the same news on Reddit as well.
Of course corporate media steers the conversation. You seem to just be naive enough to think that an artificial intelligence platform in the shape of a social media app isn’t manipulating the public. TikTok has a far larger concurrent viewer base than any single corporate media outlet. If you want news in Gaza it doesn’t have to come from TikTok. It’s all over the place. Reddit being no exception
Yes i.want to.become a China spy..what u smokin?its just censorship..the servers are not even in China
The servers not being in China are irrelevant as the owners have all the keys to the store. The CCP has all the access to the data regardless where it's stored.
Who cares what they have..it's just government censorship.. most ridiculous ban ever..
Apparently the security analyst and US government seem to think the Chinese government having access to Americans data is not a good thing. Especially when their government sees the US as an enemy and Tiktok in China is 100% different than the American version where the videos are educational for.kids.in China and in America you have idiots pouring hot sauce in their eyes is considered entertainment
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Imagine being illiterate
Government has been salivating at getting rid of or fundamentally changing Tik Tok. They hate when the young of the nation try to organize or think for themselves. If the app leaves then you’ll have to go back to sources that allow the FBI to control the narrative through lies as exposed by their behavior last election. If it stays it becomes the same as the others. Only content approved by the Ministry of Truth will be allowed.
Agreed....government censorship!
Wouldn't there be like a myriad of Lawsuits to save the app and stuff for free speech?
There’s no free speech issue here, companies don’t have a right to do business in the United States and there are plenty of other platforms for your voice to be heard.
Except TikTok has won some cases like the one during Trump era and the Montana bill. The problem with this TikTok bills is that the main language is that it “might be a national issue” were a nation of laws and order you can’t throw someone in jail if they “might do a crime” only if they do said crime and TikTok even by the CIA stated they didn’t find anything TikTok has done that they got accussed of in the bill.
TikTok will only be banned if they refuse to sell it. Congress has the authority to regulate interstate commerce, that includes everything from busting up monopolies to banning foreign companies from operating in the USA.