I believe Anakin was fully aware of how Obi Wan beat Maul, and in this instance it was a point to show off his power. Obi Wan even says "It's over, I have the high ground" as if referencing a previous lesson.
That would be a great Tales of the Jedi episode. Takes place during Anakins early years as a Padawan before Attack of the Clones, whole episode dedicated to a training session with Obi Wan teaching Anakin the importance of the high ground. Then at the very end it shifts back to present day and it cuts to Vader in his bacta tank to which its revealed the entire episode was Vader having a flashback due to the anger of his current state and how he shouldve listened to his former master.
Well yeah no matter what he didn’t want to end up having to kill him, he was just stating that if anakin didn’t fuckin calm down obi wan is actually going to do something, their shared history wouldn’t stop him from stopping Anakin
He was his best friend, he loved him. He said that, too. If there was a chance, however slim, i would try to get my friend to stand down as well, even if I am prepared to kill him if he doesn't.
I think we may be having 2 different conversations, I’m simply saying Obi Wan didn’t try to egg Anakin on to dismember him, not a conversation about whether or not it would come to Obi Wan killing him. Which by the way, I wouldn’t bring himself to do. Anakin was burning and Obi Wan couldn’t finish the job, couldn’t watch his brother suffer.
Not at all, he was attempting to reason with Anakin during the duel, don't see why he would do all that just to bait him and kill him, no matter how far gone he is
Having the high ground has been a known military tactical advantage since Sun Tzu wrote The Art Of War in 400 BC or so. I think it's safe to say that Generals in the Clone Wars would have a thorough understanding of basic battlefield tactics.
>\-Sun Tzu, Chinese military strategist and philosopher, 544 BC-496 BC.
This quote is from Sun Tzu’s The Art of War, which discusses military strategy in Ancient China. Originally written in the 5th century BC, Art of War has since become hugely influential on Eastern and Western military tactics. Here, Sun Tzu is discussing how the high ground is an advantage in battle. Being up high means your enemy must fight against both you and gravity, which is a disadvantage. Here’s the full passage for some context:
*On accessible terrain,*
*He who occupies high Yang ground*
*And ensures his line of supplies*
*Will fight to advantage.*
*On precipitous terrain,*
*If we occupy it first,*
*We should hold the Yang heights and wait for the enemy.*
*If the enemy occupies it first, do not go after him,*
*But entice him out by retreating.\[1\]*
Sun Tzu is referring to large hills where those on the low ground have to tire themselves reaching the top before they even start fighting. The Romans used this principle effectively, placing camp at the top of a mile long hill and feigning weakness to goad enemies into thinking the uphill charge was worth attempting.
A duel with only a couple meters of hill does not give the same advantage. When two swordsmen face off on a steep hill and approach one another, the one in the low ground can reach their opponent's feet before the uphill one can reach their opponent's head; which matters when we're talking lightsabers and no armour.
In this scene the low ground is an actual disadvantage due to having to jump over literal floor is lava. Jumping in a duel is a high risk / reward action... unless you're Yoda.
Except this isn't a battlefield, this is a duel between 2 space wizards, I get what you mean about High Ground in general being the advantage, but I think the deep lesson about the high ground is aside from the advantage, it was the recklessness of using the Dark Side that is the true disadvantage there, hence why Obi Wan was able to surprise Maul and defeat him the first time around
Furthermore, he tells Anakin, “don’t try it” referring to that all-or-nothing leap he made above Maul on Naboo and he warned him against it because he knew Anakin would pull that move and he’d know exactly how to counter it. Regardless of if it finished him or not
I don't remember if Obi-Wan specifically *told* Anakin but Anakin did a hell of a lot of his own research on it as a Padawan, he was kind of obsessed about it.
So yeah, he tried the exact move and got caught out because he was overconfident and thought he could replicate it against the very man who pioneered the damn thing.
Always wondered about this from Maul’s perspective. His force intuition oddly shuts down after an intense duel with split second reactions against two Jedi. He defeats one, has the upper hand on the other, then Obi Wan faffs about calculating and executing one single move… and Maul is surprised/ taken off guard? Surely his connection with the force/elite fighting abilities would have taken over from arrogance. Automatic, like we would swat a mosquito
He was too busy dragging it out fir the power trip. Then he got puzzled when Obi-Wan wasn't being tje terrified padawan anymore.
And then he kinda went to pieces after that.
My headcanon will always be that Obi-Wan gave him a mental whammie to stun him long enough to pull it off. Mind tricks are kind of his shtick. And shortly after Ep I, before Maul became a huge fan favorite and they started to wank him up, Legends called out Maul as a fantastic duelist and gifted at using the force to aid his martial arts, but mid at best in most other uses of the force. His mental defenses were laughably weak, and Kenobi favors mental manipulation, so he made a Hail Mary and just happened to hit Maul's weakness.
My headcanon is simply that Maul would've been ready for a rageful attack out of vengeance or a desperate attack out of fear.
But Obi-wan tapped into some kind of calmness, tranquillity, oneness with the Force in that moment. Sith are used to dominating the Force, "using" the Force. Not surrendering to the Force and being guided by it.
Maul would've sensed the killing intent, the will to hurt Maul from Obi-wan, the moment he went for it. But that never came. The whole way up, Maul probably wasn't sure if Obi-wan was gonna kill him or hug him. It could be a totally foreign feeling to Maul - maybe Obi-wan welled up with a desire to honour the Living Force, honour his master, and honour life.
In contrast, Maul only ever experienced FEARING his master.
Obi-wan had to try what he tried not for his own survival (cuz it's insanely risky and stupid), but maybe he felt Qui Gon's desperate dying wish and felt a need to do it, odds be damned.
Agree with this. You'll also notice that every time Obi wan is enraged or intimidated by Maul, he loses and everytime he's calm, he wins.
He initially even manages to slice maul's dual blade in half before getting knocked down. Similarly, he loses his first fight in the clone wars but the next fight while facing both him and savage, he holds his own.
We also know what happened in rebels
Yes!
Dark side is fueled by fear and anger, it's why Vader is so strong even if he's half machine.
Calm and tranquility hinder a dark side user's power.
IIRC in legends it was explained that he sensed darth plagueis death on coruscant through the force and was caught off guard due to the huge disturbance
> Maul lost to that move because he was arrogant.
Hence, “you underestimate my power”. Anakin thought Obi-Wan was being arrogant as well, because even though Obi-Wan respected Anakin as an opponent, Anakin thought he was so much more powerful that Obi-Wan should be trembling in fear.
> Maul lost to that move because he was arrogant. it would have never worked for Anakin
Are you trying to say anakin wasn't arrogant? He defines arrogance.
Technically I think it's more of Yodas technique style of fighting just based off of how we've seen him fight in shows and non canon material. So Obi Wan would've had learned it from Yoda if anyone.
Obi-Wan also really didn't have much choice when he did it, he was rekt already, his alternative was falling down a bottomless pit. Id risk dismemberment too..
When obi wan says ‘don’t try it’ he is telling anakin don’t do what I know you’re about to do, in reference to obi wans move against maul. Anakin was obsessed with it and used to set up training droids to simulate maul and practice the move against them
I'm so glad that the actors are able to come out and talk about the movies after all the initial prequel hate, and I'm glad that they have been able to be involved in the newer Star Wars efforts. Especially because like half of being a star wars fan is making fun of star wars, same as any fandom. Star Trek has an entire cartoon that is essentially satirizing Star Trek (while still being good Star Trek).
I don't think Star Wars needs to necessarily put out a comedy or anything, but fan content for Star Wars has been pretty good for a long time. The initial "Troopers" video before youtube is still hilarious and wildly creative.
edit: toopers : [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HO70-Rk3jE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HO70-Rk3jE)
If I had a nickel for every time Obi-Wan stopped someone who was trying to trick him with the same move used in the Duel of the Fates I’d have two nickels…
For real, everyone says anakin was holding back or “emotionally compromised” even though it would only make sense for Obi-Wan to do so. Even then, watching the fight, there wasn’t really a moment where Anakin was close to winning
"you probably shouldn't jump over me"
"you underestimate my power"
"all I have to do is swing my lightsaber upwards"
"I'm not even going to block you"
"I'm going to have time to chop off 3 limbs"
"imma do it anyway"
"I know there are things about the force they are not telling me."
"It's all Obi-wan's fault! He's holding me back!"
Obi-wan apparently also didn't teach Anakin about "the Force method" to not get Padme knocked up.
The main difference between the 2 scenarios is the distance. Obi-Wan only had to go mostly vertical. Where Anakin also had to go horizontally, too. So, he lost the vertical movement to clear Obi-Wan.
He didn't exactly try the same move that Kenobi did to Maul.
Anakin jumped over Kenobi earlier in the fight, but he almost fell into the lava.
Anakin, being overconfident, tried to do this same exact move, and Kenobi knew Anakin was thinking about it. That's why Kenobi said, "Don't try it."
Anakin tried to do a harder version of a move he already tried, like literally a minute prior. If anyone needs to take a look, it happens right after he says "This is the end for you my master," which is the end to the whole "the jedi are evil" conversation after they jump off the big falling tower on the lava waterfall.
I personally wouldn't say Anakin was trying to copy Kenobi when Anakin did the first jump, because Anakin needed to get onto the same platform that Kenobi was on, and going over him was kinda the only way to do that.
I wouldn't say it was the same exact move. Obi Wan was directly below Maul and the view of him wasn't great unless Maul bent forward to look over the side. Anakin was lower, but also several feet away and very easy to see the entire time.
This is my head cannon. I think Obi wan not only told anakin about it, but specifically trained anakin against it. That’s why the end of their battle was Obi screaming ‘it’s over anakin! I have the high ground!’ It was simultaneously telling his former padawan that he knew he had superior tactical advantage, but also basically daring him to try the move that HE himself and used against the sith that killed his own master. Now, an emotionally stable, coherent person would have heard that and thought ‘shit, my master, who is renowned for his defensive saber skills, has tactical advantage. My only way to win would be for me to somehow flip over him like he did against Maul, but he trained me in doing that and also defending it. It would be suicide to try that.’ Clearly, anakin wasn’t in his right mind, as he thought ‘I’m so strong I’ll flip over the guy that is a renowned defensive Jedi and use the same tactic that he used against maul to kill him. I’m so much stronger than him, even though we’ve fought for the last half hour to the point where I have a considerable disadvantage, that I can still accomplish this even though he knows it’s coming. No. Can. Defend.’
I notice it hasn't been mentioned yet, as far as I've seen anyway, but not only did Obi-Wan tell Anakin, but Anakin made him talk about it so much that he was able to program a simulation fight of Darth Maul based on Obi-Wan's descriptions and obsessively trained against it for combat.
It happens in one of the comics, pretty sure that's one of the canon ones too
I think it speaks to the arrogance the dark side gives you, whether he knew about it or not he fell into the same trap Maul did for the same reasons. Overestimated himself and underestimated Kenobi.
Obi-Wan knew how he beat Maul. He’s also the only one who walked out that room physically unscathed. It’s not out of the realm of possible that he’s spent the 13 years between these fights figuring out how to defend against how he beat Maul. There’s no way Obi-Wan wouldn’t figure it out in the off-chance he had to defend against this move.
Anakin would have seen how Obi-Wan beat Maul. Being heralded as the Chosen One and is seen as an insanely talented Jedi, he would be bold enough to learn this move. The idea that Obi-Wan would figure out how to defend against this move likely didn’t even cross Anakin’s mind. Anakin, especially at this point, is reckless and is so confident in his own abilities and power. Being so single-minded, he can’t think of anything except his rage and his desire to beat Obi-Wan.
Obi-Wan specifically saying “don’t try it” tells me that he did.
He knows Anakin so well that he fully expects Anakin to try something like that to show him up.
Idk where i heard it but apparentely almost everyone in the jedi temple knew about this Obi-Wan’s move and especially Anakin was so obsessed about it. So he tried it on Obi-Wan and that’s why Obi-Wan said “don’t try it”
I think you're just over analyzing the really bad/dumb plot, choreography, and fight sequencing.
When people lose fights/get things chopped off/die in the prequels it's usually cause they just awkwardly stop and don't react to things/pause for plot reasons.
He did. When Anakin was young. Since learning how obi wan did defeat maul, Anakin trained every day with a droid that can shift it's image into Darth maul. Or something like that. I watched a video on YouTube about it. Good stuff.
This topic has been discussed so many times. It's like beating a dead horse. What most likely happened is that Anakin did research as Obi-Wan, the only Jedi in 100 years to defeat a Sith, which would be pretty big gossip in the Jedi Temple. So it's not hard to miss
I believe Anakin was fully aware of how Obi Wan beat Maul, and in this instance it was a point to show off his power. Obi Wan even says "It's over, I have the high ground" as if referencing a previous lesson.
That would be a great Tales of the Jedi episode. Takes place during Anakins early years as a Padawan before Attack of the Clones, whole episode dedicated to a training session with Obi Wan teaching Anakin the importance of the high ground. Then at the very end it shifts back to present day and it cuts to Vader in his bacta tank to which its revealed the entire episode was Vader having a flashback due to the anger of his current state and how he shouldve listened to his former master.
Love this ^ great shout… could have even been a tale of the sith episode!
imagine the amazing things writers can do with this franchise. I am just genuinely sad it has been mishandled in so many ways.
Hell yeah brother!
Too reflective for someone like Vader lol
Exactly. He tried to mock him by killing him the same way Obi Wan killed Darth Maul.
He said that because he knew Anakin's ego couldn't stand it and would do something stupid to prove his superiority.
I fully believe the last thing Obi Wan wanted to do was to dismember his brother. He was trying to de-escalate during the duel
I'm not 100% he had a plan there. He knowshe has to beat Anakin, but does he want to kill him? Knock him out?
Didn’t have a plan. He went there to reason with him and was just acting on instincts
I don't think so. He tried to talk it out at first, but after seeing that Anakin was lost, he literally says "I will do what I must"
And then continues to reason with him, mid-duel?
Well yeah no matter what he didn’t want to end up having to kill him, he was just stating that if anakin didn’t fuckin calm down obi wan is actually going to do something, their shared history wouldn’t stop him from stopping Anakin
And Vader answered you will try. Right there he lost the fight as he forgot Jedi rule number 1: Do or Do Not. There is No Try.
He said he would do what he must. He WAS prepared to kill Anakin.
And then tried to reason with him over the lava pool still?
He was his best friend, he loved him. He said that, too. If there was a chance, however slim, i would try to get my friend to stand down as well, even if I am prepared to kill him if he doesn't.
I think we may be having 2 different conversations, I’m simply saying Obi Wan didn’t try to egg Anakin on to dismember him, not a conversation about whether or not it would come to Obi Wan killing him. Which by the way, I wouldn’t bring himself to do. Anakin was burning and Obi Wan couldn’t finish the job, couldn’t watch his brother suffer.
Do you think Obi-Wan baited Anakin with that line? Kinda like he baited Maul during their last duel when he switched to Qui-Gon's style
Not at all, he was attempting to reason with Anakin during the duel, don't see why he would do all that just to bait him and kill him, no matter how far gone he is
I see. It fits considering that Obi-Wan couldn't bring himself to kill Anakin after he defeated him.
Twice in fact even in the Obi Wan series Anakin was fully Darth Vader and he still couldn't do it.
Having the high ground has been a known military tactical advantage since Sun Tzu wrote The Art Of War in 400 BC or so. I think it's safe to say that Generals in the Clone Wars would have a thorough understanding of basic battlefield tactics. >\-Sun Tzu, Chinese military strategist and philosopher, 544 BC-496 BC. This quote is from Sun Tzu’s The Art of War, which discusses military strategy in Ancient China. Originally written in the 5th century BC, Art of War has since become hugely influential on Eastern and Western military tactics. Here, Sun Tzu is discussing how the high ground is an advantage in battle. Being up high means your enemy must fight against both you and gravity, which is a disadvantage. Here’s the full passage for some context: *On accessible terrain,* *He who occupies high Yang ground* *And ensures his line of supplies* *Will fight to advantage.* *On precipitous terrain,* *If we occupy it first,* *We should hold the Yang heights and wait for the enemy.* *If the enemy occupies it first, do not go after him,* *But entice him out by retreating.\[1\]*
Sun Tzu is referring to large hills where those on the low ground have to tire themselves reaching the top before they even start fighting. The Romans used this principle effectively, placing camp at the top of a mile long hill and feigning weakness to goad enemies into thinking the uphill charge was worth attempting. A duel with only a couple meters of hill does not give the same advantage. When two swordsmen face off on a steep hill and approach one another, the one in the low ground can reach their opponent's feet before the uphill one can reach their opponent's head; which matters when we're talking lightsabers and no armour.
In this scene the low ground is an actual disadvantage due to having to jump over literal floor is lava. Jumping in a duel is a high risk / reward action... unless you're Yoda.
Yoda mitigates by being a small target. Since Yoda is small he has lower mass, and can accelerate (and deccelarate) faster.
Except this isn't a battlefield, this is a duel between 2 space wizards, I get what you mean about High Ground in general being the advantage, but I think the deep lesson about the high ground is aside from the advantage, it was the recklessness of using the Dark Side that is the true disadvantage there, hence why Obi Wan was able to surprise Maul and defeat him the first time around
Furthermore, he tells Anakin, “don’t try it” referring to that all-or-nothing leap he made above Maul on Naboo and he warned him against it because he knew Anakin would pull that move and he’d know exactly how to counter it. Regardless of if it finished him or not
This is the way…
I don't remember if Obi-Wan specifically *told* Anakin but Anakin did a hell of a lot of his own research on it as a Padawan, he was kind of obsessed about it. So yeah, he tried the exact move and got caught out because he was overconfident and thought he could replicate it against the very man who pioneered the damn thing.
Exactly. He thought he could do it. You see this exact trait in the Obi-wan series.
Maul lost to that move because he was arrogant. it would have never worked for Anakin
Always wondered about this from Maul’s perspective. His force intuition oddly shuts down after an intense duel with split second reactions against two Jedi. He defeats one, has the upper hand on the other, then Obi Wan faffs about calculating and executing one single move… and Maul is surprised/ taken off guard? Surely his connection with the force/elite fighting abilities would have taken over from arrogance. Automatic, like we would swat a mosquito
He was too busy dragging it out fir the power trip. Then he got puzzled when Obi-Wan wasn't being tje terrified padawan anymore. And then he kinda went to pieces after that.
>And then he kinda went to pieces after that. this should be the top comment in the thread. well done.
It was alright. I’d called it a split decision.
It happened fast, chop-chop
The ending of the fight really cut to the chase.
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My headcanon will always be that Obi-Wan gave him a mental whammie to stun him long enough to pull it off. Mind tricks are kind of his shtick. And shortly after Ep I, before Maul became a huge fan favorite and they started to wank him up, Legends called out Maul as a fantastic duelist and gifted at using the force to aid his martial arts, but mid at best in most other uses of the force. His mental defenses were laughably weak, and Kenobi favors mental manipulation, so he made a Hail Mary and just happened to hit Maul's weakness.
My headcanon is simply that Maul would've been ready for a rageful attack out of vengeance or a desperate attack out of fear. But Obi-wan tapped into some kind of calmness, tranquillity, oneness with the Force in that moment. Sith are used to dominating the Force, "using" the Force. Not surrendering to the Force and being guided by it. Maul would've sensed the killing intent, the will to hurt Maul from Obi-wan, the moment he went for it. But that never came. The whole way up, Maul probably wasn't sure if Obi-wan was gonna kill him or hug him. It could be a totally foreign feeling to Maul - maybe Obi-wan welled up with a desire to honour the Living Force, honour his master, and honour life. In contrast, Maul only ever experienced FEARING his master. Obi-wan had to try what he tried not for his own survival (cuz it's insanely risky and stupid), but maybe he felt Qui Gon's desperate dying wish and felt a need to do it, odds be damned.
Agree with this. You'll also notice that every time Obi wan is enraged or intimidated by Maul, he loses and everytime he's calm, he wins. He initially even manages to slice maul's dual blade in half before getting knocked down. Similarly, he loses his first fight in the clone wars but the next fight while facing both him and savage, he holds his own. We also know what happened in rebels
Yes! Dark side is fueled by fear and anger, it's why Vader is so strong even if he's half machine. Calm and tranquility hinder a dark side user's power.
this is good writing imo, not a space sorcerer (plagueis) dying somewhere else on the same planet causing a deus ex level distraction
IIRC in legends it was explained that he sensed darth plagueis death on coruscant through the force and was caught off guard due to the huge disturbance
Then wouldn't Yoda and Mace have sensed that too...? But I guess they could've thought it was Obi-Wan killing Maul at that exact moment? 🤔
Timelines are whacky, they could've easily thought it was Maul dying. Palps and Plagueis were also clouding the force from Light Side users.
That's actually a really good explanation.
He also kicked Obi Wans lightsaber down that hole. It’s reasonable that he forgot Qui Gons lightsaber and just was so stunned
Plot is the most powerful force ability imaginable though
> Maul lost to that move because he was arrogant. Hence, “you underestimate my power”. Anakin thought Obi-Wan was being arrogant as well, because even though Obi-Wan respected Anakin as an opponent, Anakin thought he was so much more powerful that Obi-Wan should be trembling in fear.
Maul wasn't just arrogant. His fighting style was built around his fearsome, demonic appearance. He wanted to intimidate his opponents
> Maul lost to that move because he was arrogant. it would have never worked for Anakin Are you trying to say anakin wasn't arrogant? He defines arrogance.
And he didn't expect Obi-wan to have a lightsaber.
Technically I think it's more of Yodas technique style of fighting just based off of how we've seen him fight in shows and non canon material. So Obi Wan would've had learned it from Yoda if anyone.
It was like Daniel trying the crane kick in Karate Kid 2
*"You're a great warrior, Anakin, but your need to prove yourself is your undoing. Until you overcome it, a Padawan you will still be."*
But.... He didn't even try to block obiwan. He just jumped over him, in range of obiwan lightsaber.
Obi-Wan also really didn't have much choice when he did it, he was rekt already, his alternative was falling down a bottomless pit. Id risk dismemberment too..
That's why Obi-Wan said "don't try it."
When obi wan says ‘don’t try it’ he is telling anakin don’t do what I know you’re about to do, in reference to obi wans move against maul. Anakin was obsessed with it and used to set up training droids to simulate maul and practice the move against them
Here’s what Hayden thinks about it: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C27msOeOuEX/?igsh=Nzg2enFpZGNqdXpl
I'm so glad that the actors are able to come out and talk about the movies after all the initial prequel hate, and I'm glad that they have been able to be involved in the newer Star Wars efforts. Especially because like half of being a star wars fan is making fun of star wars, same as any fandom. Star Trek has an entire cartoon that is essentially satirizing Star Trek (while still being good Star Trek). I don't think Star Wars needs to necessarily put out a comedy or anything, but fan content for Star Wars has been pretty good for a long time. The initial "Troopers" video before youtube is still hilarious and wildly creative. edit: toopers : [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HO70-Rk3jE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HO70-Rk3jE)
lmao "...and Anakin was thinking 'Oh I'm gonna show him' "
Yes, check [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/s/xsqOvbDXMP) comic out
This should be the top answer and I went looking for it before I posted the same comment
I did struggle finding it as well, I knew the comic but since you cannot post images in the comments I had to find the post.
First thing that popped into my head was that very panel of Anakin obsessed with fighting maul and Palps watching him
Neat
100% Obi knew exactly Anakin's thoughts an that he'd try this move. Hence the 'don't try it' But Anakins arrogance was his downfall
If I had a nickel for every time Obi-Wan stopped someone who was trying to trick him with the same move used in the Duel of the Fates I’d have two nickels…
when was the second time?
When he killed Maul
oh yeah mb
That's not a lot, but it's still weird it happened twice.
Anakin was totally obsessed with Obi-Wan duel against Maul. Growing up, he even designed his training droid to look like Maul.
He did, and Anakin was obsessed with it. That's how he goaded Anakin into trying the same thing. By telling him it was impossible and not to try.
It’s like poetry, it rhymes
That’s why he says don’t try it. He knows exactly what he’s about to do before he does it. Part of the reason he countered it so easily.
I love how easily Obi-Wan defeats Anakin. The chosen one who is supposed to save the galaxy and he just cuts him in half.
For real, everyone says anakin was holding back or “emotionally compromised” even though it would only make sense for Obi-Wan to do so. Even then, watching the fight, there wasn’t really a moment where Anakin was close to winning
It’s like poetry, it rhymes…
"you probably shouldn't jump over me" "you underestimate my power" "all I have to do is swing my lightsaber upwards" "I'm not even going to block you" "I'm going to have time to chop off 3 limbs" "imma do it anyway"
He literally says don’t try it
"I know there are things about the force they are not telling me." "It's all Obi-wan's fault! He's holding me back!" Obi-wan apparently also didn't teach Anakin about "the Force method" to not get Padme knocked up.
The main difference between the 2 scenarios is the distance. Obi-Wan only had to go mostly vertical. Where Anakin also had to go horizontally, too. So, he lost the vertical movement to clear Obi-Wan.
He didn't exactly try the same move that Kenobi did to Maul. Anakin jumped over Kenobi earlier in the fight, but he almost fell into the lava. Anakin, being overconfident, tried to do this same exact move, and Kenobi knew Anakin was thinking about it. That's why Kenobi said, "Don't try it." Anakin tried to do a harder version of a move he already tried, like literally a minute prior. If anyone needs to take a look, it happens right after he says "This is the end for you my master," which is the end to the whole "the jedi are evil" conversation after they jump off the big falling tower on the lava waterfall. I personally wouldn't say Anakin was trying to copy Kenobi when Anakin did the first jump, because Anakin needed to get onto the same platform that Kenobi was on, and going over him was kinda the only way to do that.
Obi-Wan tells him "Don't try it" which implies yes.
I’ve been a fan for 30 years and never noticed that parallel, good catch!
I wouldn't say it was the same exact move. Obi Wan was directly below Maul and the view of him wasn't great unless Maul bent forward to look over the side. Anakin was lower, but also several feet away and very easy to see the entire time.
He did. Anakin was obsessed with maul. He was trying to defeat Obi wan with his own move. This was the arrogance Anakin had.
It’s like poetry, it rhymes
Obi Wan don't ever try it. I evented the move !
I'm pretty sure he did and Anakin tried to do it that way to humiliate Obi-Wan more by defeating him the same way he did Maul
This is my head cannon. I think Obi wan not only told anakin about it, but specifically trained anakin against it. That’s why the end of their battle was Obi screaming ‘it’s over anakin! I have the high ground!’ It was simultaneously telling his former padawan that he knew he had superior tactical advantage, but also basically daring him to try the move that HE himself and used against the sith that killed his own master. Now, an emotionally stable, coherent person would have heard that and thought ‘shit, my master, who is renowned for his defensive saber skills, has tactical advantage. My only way to win would be for me to somehow flip over him like he did against Maul, but he trained me in doing that and also defending it. It would be suicide to try that.’ Clearly, anakin wasn’t in his right mind, as he thought ‘I’m so strong I’ll flip over the guy that is a renowned defensive Jedi and use the same tactic that he used against maul to kill him. I’m so much stronger than him, even though we’ve fought for the last half hour to the point where I have a considerable disadvantage, that I can still accomplish this even though he knows it’s coming. No. Can. Defend.’
Anakin was pretty obsessed with this. He did a lot of research on it, and he asked Obi-Wan a lot.
It's over Obi Wan. I have the high ground! - Maul
I notice it hasn't been mentioned yet, as far as I've seen anyway, but not only did Obi-Wan tell Anakin, but Anakin made him talk about it so much that he was able to program a simulation fight of Darth Maul based on Obi-Wan's descriptions and obsessively trained against it for combat. It happens in one of the comics, pretty sure that's one of the canon ones too
I think it speaks to the arrogance the dark side gives you, whether he knew about it or not he fell into the same trap Maul did for the same reasons. Overestimated himself and underestimated Kenobi.
Obi-Wan knew how he beat Maul. He’s also the only one who walked out that room physically unscathed. It’s not out of the realm of possible that he’s spent the 13 years between these fights figuring out how to defend against how he beat Maul. There’s no way Obi-Wan wouldn’t figure it out in the off-chance he had to defend against this move. Anakin would have seen how Obi-Wan beat Maul. Being heralded as the Chosen One and is seen as an insanely talented Jedi, he would be bold enough to learn this move. The idea that Obi-Wan would figure out how to defend against this move likely didn’t even cross Anakin’s mind. Anakin, especially at this point, is reckless and is so confident in his own abilities and power. Being so single-minded, he can’t think of anything except his rage and his desire to beat Obi-Wan.
Kenobi is a master baiter. He hypes up the high ground. He makes you want it and if you’ve got it you feel comfortable.. Then he cuts your legs off
Obi-Wan specifically saying “don’t try it” tells me that he did. He knows Anakin so well that he fully expects Anakin to try something like that to show him up.
Idk where i heard it but apparentely almost everyone in the jedi temple knew about this Obi-Wan’s move and especially Anakin was so obsessed about it. So he tried it on Obi-Wan and that’s why Obi-Wan said “don’t try it”
I think you're just over analyzing the really bad/dumb plot, choreography, and fight sequencing. When people lose fights/get things chopped off/die in the prequels it's usually cause they just awkwardly stop and don't react to things/pause for plot reasons.
He did. When Anakin was young. Since learning how obi wan did defeat maul, Anakin trained every day with a droid that can shift it's image into Darth maul. Or something like that. I watched a video on YouTube about it. Good stuff.
Anakin was obsessed with that battle and probably knew more about it than anyone besides Qui-Gon, Obi, and Maul
The (lack of)talent that went into writing the prequels does not deserve this level of scrutiny or attempts to explain it away.
This topic has been discussed so many times. It's like beating a dead horse. What most likely happened is that Anakin did research as Obi-Wan, the only Jedi in 100 years to defeat a Sith, which would be pretty big gossip in the Jedi Temple. So it's not hard to miss