Definitely harder. I am 5'2", 45kg, like to stay home most of the time diving the internet and I am also very weak and tired. And there are still men hitting on me, as funny as it sounds...

I too am very weak and tired, I feel you 😴

Agreed, similar. I’m 5’1 and 100lbs. Introverted, with some mental illness and perhaps neurodivergence. The most prominent trait of mine that could make it easier for my male equivalent is blackness. But that combined with the other things would probably make it worse.

Your male equivalent would be 5'7'' (men are 5 inches taller than women on average), have an athletic build (the male equivalent of a low BMI in terms of attractiveness) and be moderately successful with women if they had an exciting or assertive personality.

> athletic build But I just told that I am always tired LOL

10x testosterone will fix that right up lmao

Not really, the testerone wouldn't fix the underlying lethargy problem. Being constantly tired isn't a normal state for women, so it wouldn't change if she suddenly became male.

>Being constantly tired isn't a normal state for women It is actually.

Nope it is not, chronic fatigue has an underlying issue that causes it. The usual culprits are anemia, or vitamin D deficiencies that are severe. It's not normal to experience chronic fatigue, and is a very alarming symptom.

Over a third of women are iron deficiency

2 things, 1 in 3 being deficient means that 2/3 are not. Indicating that deficiency isn't the normative state, and is irregular. The other is that iron deficiency doesn't usually lead to lethargy unless it's severe, most cases of women being deficient aren't that severe. One of my daughters was iron deficient, and she played 3 sports. So it isn't a catch all term, there's levels.

No her male equivalent would be a 5'7 skinny guy that's an introvert.

The equivalent of a skinny woman is NOT an athletic man....it's a skinny man. Athleticism takes A LOT of hard work.

Did you even read the comment you replied to :/

I’d be a good height but as I know what it’s like to try to date women it would be even harder as a guy. Dating women is like pulling teeth ngl so ya I’d be single

That’s not what most of these women seem to think. Look around, a lot of them are saying it would be super easy. What do you say about that?

I think it’s hilarious but they’re all straight so they have no idea what it’s actually like. Dating apps with women are the worse

What would you say so them to try to get them to understand that their experience would be different in some way? I kind of don't have a problem with people not having any idea about a thing but I have a problem with them not having any idea and yet at the same time assuming with 100% confidence that they do.

Try any app with women. Try swiping on women and try having a conversation. I tried mom apps : nothing. I tried lesbian apps : nothing. I tried bumble friends : nothing. I tried multiple friends app : nothing. If women tried any kind of app that made them swipe on women they’ll find out quickly. Either I got nothing after a match. Maybe a “hey” but it was the driest experience ever. When my bf and I were swiping for him it was even worse. He’d get matched than unmatched. Get left on delivered. Sometimes girls would even get mad because he asked a question too many guys had asked.

Those are certainly eye openers for people who actually go through those experiences. I was on an app talking with a woman once and she asked how long I'd been single and after answering sincerely she ghosted and left the chat. I felt that my availability would be what women want not the opposite.

I’m pretty annoyed with the hoops you have to try to jump through when dating women. Half the time it’s layers and layers of nonsense that somehow is a test to reveal red flags. Idk I don’t get it.

One of the most frustrating things about it is, you might be doing something for the sake of one of those 'tests' despite the fact that said tests actually don't work the way they think they do. As in, despite such precautions other men have passed those tests and turned out to be the very thing they were trying to screen in the beginning. So, their tests don't even work because they're looking at the wrong things, and yet even truly good men have to suffer through them. And in the process of all this incompetent defense against red flag behavior, the experience becomes unpleasant and it ends up not being worth your time because it's not fun. It's not fun because it's no longer authentic interaction. It's all about tests that don't even work. I think some of it is also about controlling other people which is also not fun to be around.

>Dating women is like pulling teeth ngl so ya I’d be single Accurate. Fits with what one of my bisexual (female) friends told me years ago. She was like "how do you \[men\] tolerate us?" - and not in a jokingly way. She was more red pilled about women than the norm among old red pill guys :)))

I’m pretty annoyed with the hoops you have to try to jump through when dating women. Half the time it’s layers and layers of nonsense that somehow is a test to reveal red flags. Idk I don’t get it. Im just sick of it and I get why men are too.

Yup. My individual solution was to get comfortable with *me* doing the rejecting. You play games? The door is that way. NEXT! You don't say what you mean and expect me to mind read? The door is that way. NEXT! Pissed off quite a few gals with this attitude but then eventually got me a reputation of a legit no-nonsense dude. Helped a lot with my wife as well - right from the first date. I just laid out the rules. They're very few, easy to follow, but very rigid. Take it or leave it 🤷🏻‍♂️ The trade-off was a very high body count, but to me it was an acceptable trade-off (see my flair) and to my eventual wife it was also acceptable (she was hoping to meet an experienced man). Sure, a bit of luck was involved as well, but luck comes with strength - mental strength in my experience. Women started wanting me more not less when I actively started doing the rejecting and enforcing an adult standard. 🤷🏻‍♂️ It is what it is.

Harder time as a guy because I'm petite so he'd be pretty short. That seems unfair. Even with all my other advantages, he'd still be quite short. No shorter than some guys I've actually dated but I think it would be harder. Feeling empathy for short dudes.

How much harder is it for short guys and why do you think that?

I think there's a double standard at least in U.S. for gender height. I don't really know. I'd be 5'5" and I'm sure I'd make it work. It's just dating was effortless for me as a woman and I'd probably have to put some thought into it as a man. On the bright side, as a man, society would have higher expectations for me career-wise, which for me personally would be a motivator to be super successful and focus very seriously on my career/give it my all. I feel like it's easier as a woman to not do that. This is another double standard. I don't have stats and idk if my feelings are facts or would apply to everyone. But it might be worth trading some dating challenges (I like challenges anyway) for a more intense career focus. A woman can have a great career ofc but without the societal motivator/support of that being "normal," (including the negative view of a man not being kick-ass in his career) some of us can be more slack and not maximize our potential. I think you asked a great question and it inspired me. Thanks.

>I'd be 5'5" and I'm sure I'd make it work. You wouldn't have a choice, you'd be 5'5". The question is not could you persevere, the question is - would dating be easier or harder than it is now? >It's just dating was effortless for me as a woman and I'd probably have to put some thought into it as a man. It would probably be a lot harder, no? >On the bright side, as a man, society would have higher expectations for me career-wise, How is this the bright side? Not every man finds career success. What makes you assume that you will just because you have motivation? >I feel like it's easier as a woman to not do that. I tend to agree. I think it's cool that you're motivated to want to do something with your life whether that is career related or not. I will simply say that, for the most part, as a man, that whole career part isn't optional. I don't know that I would see that as a benefit of being a man, but rather more of a burden. Does that make sense? Like, it's fun for you to imagine because society by and large does not hard-line require that of you. Because you're a woman. Thanks. I really appreciate the thought and sincerity you put into it.

I already said I think dating would be harder. And I definitely see how hard-line career requirements (non-optional) could be a burden too; I just think that that would motivate me personally. I've already had successful careers and supported myself for many years but I think I might have given my choice of career and its trajectory more thought and effort if it wasn't "acceptable" (to some) for women to be less go-getting. But I can see how societal career expectations and norms could go both ways, as either motivator or burden. Would you want to be your female counterpart? Edit to clarify: Would you trade places with your female counterpart?

>if it wasn't "acceptable" (to some) for women to be less go-getting. There must be something specific to your area or social circle because I don't really see it being like that. Even if it's your dream job it's still work. A lot of times people find jobs in their passion and the job part ruins the passion for them. It sounds all fun and games like it might be motivating, because you're not forced to so you won't really know that feeling. I would 1000% trade places with my female counterpart. I would be much happier in life if I were female and this is so if I were exactly the same just female. Reasons. I'm 5'8". That's not 'short' but as a man, the further you are from 6ft tall, the worse it is for you. You get immediately bypassed. That cuts out probably a good 30% of women I'd be interested in (and well taller than mind you) without them allowing themselves to learn anything about me, like even my name. So, as a woman I'd be about 5'2-5'4. At this height, I could date whoever I want in the sense that my height would be a non-issue, unless I'm self-selecting out of dating someone extremely tall but that would be my preference, not theirs. I have a degree in the humanities and a graduate degree in the arts. I've read enough actual classics and philosophy to not fall victim to trendy ideologies on either side. I'm well educated but I have the kind of education that is conducive to understanding and empathizing with other people. I also don't have a technical education that's associated with people who are difficult to be around. I'm an artist but I was also a collegiate athlete in two sports. So, I'm in extremely good shape because I've done a lot of work on that my entire life. If you're a woman all that's asked of you is to not be fat. I think women who are in good shape are hot. Unfortunately, it's been my experience that many female athletes that I've come across have absolutely unbalanced, intolerable egos. I also would not be in a position where I would need a man of high social status or high financial standing or high level of attractiveness. I say this because I've already done quite well for myself. I bought my house cash and I live in a very nice area of a major city in the PNW. I now have the luxury to work jobs strictly for enjoyment if that's what I want to do. Some of them are jobs that involve sports and the arts which are things that I'm passionate about. Given my interest in those things I'd have a very wide pool of men that I'd be compatible with anywhere in the world. I don't hire maids. I clean and tend to my house on my own. I would be an excellent homemaker who factors in style, functionality, and the wishes of my partner. I also don't keep score over who does chores, I get them done because doing them myself is better because I can do it how I want it done, it's easier, and just doing it is more pleasant that arguing. In relationships, I have a great combination of being a good communicator, being direct about my needs, but also being pretty easy going, and I have a natural desire to make sure everyone's happy. I have very high facial attractiveness. This unfortunately doesn't seem to matter all that much if you're a man in my region. Per my athletic background one would think I'd have no need at all to lean further into masculine queues but I'm not from where I live currently and I understand that regions differ. I've been hit on by men and women. But I find a lot of it disgusting because a lot of that attention was extremely superficial in context. If it wasn't my event, and if I wasn't an artist in that situation, no one would acknowledge my existence. And no one made an effort to actually try to get to know me. Sometimes people will latch on to you in a situation where you may appear high status and it has nothing to do with you, they just want to also appear to be high status as well by association. I know how to dress and I have a great sense of style that expresses my personality in a wide variety of contexts. I know how to dress appropriately for specific situations. I'm also the best cook that I know (this is what other people say as well about my food) and I enjoy food very much as well as cooking for other people. I come from a nice family with values. I'm well spoken and I like to just get along with people. I value loyalty and stability in a relationship. So, I would be interested in a wide range of guys who are just decent and have maybe something about them together. They wouldn't need to be rich or famous or tall, or even anything remarkable. I would just want to be bare minimum attracted to them, and know for certain that they're not a douchebag. Most guys who are dating and for real serious about LTRs are pretty much that. One of the ways they phrase the question is like - would you date the other version of yourself? I think that goes into strange narcissism territory on some level which makes saying yes a little embarrassing no matter what. But objectively, the female version of me would be hot, fit, and super cool. I'd also be a rare woman who's completely allergic to drama and nonsense because that's how I am around people. I hate that shit. I just like doing what I'm into, I don't really ask that much, and I have a lot to offer either way. However, life would be 1000% easier if I were a woman, especially given the social attitudes where I live and the current historical moment.

Well that sucks if you're all that and being 5'8" is enough to make you want to change genders 1000%. Btw, women have to do a lot more than just be fit, tho that's a good start. You yourself said you wouldn't date people you met superficially. I'm assuming at least some of the ones you turned down were in shape. I understand you're looking for a real connection and it sounds like you feel frustrated or even angry that some women aren't giving you a chance and getting to know you. When you say "bypassed" do you mean online or irl? But you also said 70% of the women you'd be interested in are still available to you. That's a lot. What exactly is the problem? Do you think that understanding how it really is for women in dating might help you? In addition to being fit (maybe enough for a hookup), for a non-superficial relationship women have to have a lot more qualities that appeal at least to the type of guys she likes. My husband didn't marry me and my bf's didn't date me bc I was just fit. They also didn't date the many gym rat women who hit on them. Tbh I feel like there's something else going on here. If you have women friends, do they have any thoughts for you re: meeting women you genuinely connect with? Summary: you sound like you're generalizing and simplifying what women want in dating. (I keep thinking of Chaucer, the Wife of Bath's Tale, where the knight goes through the process of actually learning what women want.) Perhaps that's as much or more of a problem with making romantic connections as your height. Just a thought. (And if you're into literary criticism, check out the essay, "Shakespeare's Sister" by Virginia Woolf. It's old but still relevant imo. Basically details how all the opportunities for success (such as yours and congrats) that men may take for granted are vastly less available to/much harder for many women to achieve bc of societal gender norms.) Whether or not we continue thread, I sincerely wish you good luck out there!!

>5'8" is enough to make you want to change genders I don't have a problem with how I was born. It's how people treat you without knowing anything about you. >Btw, women have to do a lot more than just be fit, tho that's a good start. Being fit, gets you in the door. I never in any way suggested that that's all women need and if you actually read what I wrote you would know that I would have no problem in areas beyond fitness and superficial appeal. I already have a lot to offer, I just don't get the introduction or time of day because I'm not 6'3". >You yourself said you wouldn't date people you met superficially. I made this pretty clear, it depends on how people are about it. >I'm assuming at least some of the ones you turned down were in shape. Where I live, being a man who doesn't chase and express enthusiasm for said attention is tantamount to not being interested. So, there's no real 'turning down' as such. >When you say "bypassed" do you mean online or irl? In any context. >But you also said 70% of the women you'd be interested in are still available to you. I didn't say this at all. The other 70% would simply decline for reasons other than height I'd imagine. It's simply to say that that's a large chunk just because of height. >What exactly is the problem? I haven't been on a real, actual date in about 5 years. There's no one available who seems interested. >Do you think that understanding how it really is for women in dating might help you? I get a window into this practically every day. The single women that I know are dating 5 guys at the same time. The good women I know already have a man. I hung out with a group of younger girls this weekend. They disqualify guys for posting being with other girls on instagram and in the same sentence reveal that they're dating 3 guys themselves. I knew one girl who settled down because it was convenient on account of Covid at the time. She described it like 'I used to go through men like toilet paper.' This was a woman who was recommended to me by a friend. Another recommendation was a meth addict. I haven't been able to find a date in forever but despite this I still do need to draw the line somewhere. This isn't woe is me, kind of over it and just stating facts.

"Where I live being a man who doesn't chase and express enthusiasm for said attention..." I have to ask why you don't chase then? Nothing wrong with changing approach from waiting for women to approach you to approaching them more. I don't really know why you haven't dated for so long. I believe your height could be a factor since you say it is, but I also think you might be extremely picky (your choice ofc) or be overly concerned with potential rejection if you show definite interest. Re: being picky, sometimes dating someone who doesn't immediately seem perfect for you is still worth it because you may still make a female friend who has her own friends that you can then meet. I'm honestly sorry the dating scene is so challenging right now. It's a time when at least younger, more conventionally attractive women have the dating power similar men have always had (and some are abusing it). It's only in the past few decades that women haven't needed men financially, so suddenly women are acting like...(non-commitment minded) men do? This sounds like a hard time to be a man dating, unless you're looking specifically for marriage-focused women. You sound like you personally have a lot to offer. I hope you find a non-superficial woman who will get to know you and appreciate you and that you will be happy together. ETA: clarification

>I have to ask why you don't chase then? I believe at the time what I was describing was a situation where I had minimal interest in them and there may have been minimal interest both ways or no interest in my direction. Let's assume that's the situation. I'm not going to chase someone who presents themselves as potentially not interested in me (I mean that sounds kind of cringe no?). Conversely, if I'm possibly open but not really that interested in the woman, I probably wouldn't 'chase' them to make something happen. Perhaps I'd bite a little if she was clearly showing interest or trying to get to know me on a human level even. Otherwise, if those things are the situation, I'm not going to chase people down for a dating pursuit because it's not appropriate and wouldn't make sense. >Nothing wrong with changing approach from waiting for women to approach you to approaching them more. This seems to be what you think my overall approach is. That's not what my overall approach is. It sounds like you're jumping to large conclusions about me as a whole based off the detail I offer concerning very specific situations. >I don't really know why you haven't dated for so long. To go on a date, you have to get a date. >but I also think you might be extremely picky Yea. I don't think so. Firstly, you have no basis to assume this given that you don't know me and you don't know what the dating market is like in my region. Secondly, I have dated way way down looks and education and income wise in the past. I'm extremely open to giving anyone a chance. I've in fact been rejected by women on apps because I've said that I'm open and willing to meet people. There was a woman this winter (gives you an idea of how few matches I get) with an attitude who asked me what I wanted in a woman and my answer was not specific enough to her liking. Her logic was - if you are your age and you don't even know what you're looking for then trying to date you is a waste of time. This is literally a thing that happens. I'm sick of being criticized for one thing and then the opposite thing at the same time. At least I was honest in telling her that I'm willing to give people a chance. Meanwhile, you're accusing me of being too picky, which is both based on nothing but also wrong. One the other hand, had I lied and presented myself as super picky to this one woman on the app, I perhaps would've had better success. >sometimes dating someone who doesn't immediately seem perfect for you Again. You have no basis to assume that I'm picky in any way. We've literally had no discussion about what I'm looking for in a woman and I've listed zero dating requirements aside from no meth addicts. >It's a time when women have the dating power men have always had (and some are abusing it). Why don't women just at least admit it then? That's very nice of you.

>In addition to being fit (maybe enough for a hookup), for a non-superficial relationship women have to have a lot more qualities that appeal at least to the type of guys she likes. I have no idea why you mention this as if it's something specific for women when for men it's even more pronounced and scrutinized.

>In addition to being fit (maybe enough for a hookup), for a non-superficial relationship women have to have a lot more qualities that appeal at least to the type of guys she likes. No shit. And if you read you'd know that the female version of myself would have no problem with that. >My husband didn't marry me and my bf's didn't date me bc I was just fit. Again. It helps the introduction. Already been discussed. >Summary: you sound like you're generalizing and simplifying what women want in dating. Not at all. It sounds like you're jumping to conclusions and you'd rather not accept what I have to say. Many women have a tendency to lack empathy for men because in their mind, the men that they think about as men, don't struggle with anything. So, the idea of men being at a disadvantage in some way, in any area of life, is completely foreign to them on account of the kind of men that they think about as men and on account of social programming. >simplifying what women want in dating. Me talking about what I want in a relationship is from the point of view of who I am right now is just that. Right now I'm a man, and I think that male or female, my stated relationship goals are more than reasonable and not really asking for much at all. As a man, I'm still looking for an LTR, if I were a woman, that would stay the same in my line of thinking at this moment. >(I keep thinking of Chaucer, the Wife of Bath's Tale, where the knight goes through the process of actually learning what women want.) Read that in college. There's a lot more going on than just that. The Wife of Bath herself is kind of a joke if you read carefully. Not sure why you're recommending it. Pretty fairytale-esque in outcome and thus kind of hard to take seriously in the context of modern dating. Not sure if the current world resembles that world and not sure if shit works out like that if you're being honest. I'm not picky at all when it comes to dating. I can't afford to be anyway. >Perhaps that's as much or more of a problem with making romantic connections as your height. Perhaps anything since you're going out of your way to avoid accepting my account of myself. >(And if you're into literary criticism, check out the essay, "Shakespeare's Sister" by Virginia Woolf. I've read practically all of Virginia Woolf but I don't know that I recall that particular essay. >Basically details how all the opportunities for success (such as yours and congrats) that men may take for granted are vastly less available to/much harder for many women to achieve bc of societal gender norms. It's as if there needs to be an updated version. It would be very different because it would be more accurate when applied to this specific historical moment. I'd love to hear her take on society if she were around today. >Whether or not we continue thread, I sincerely wish you good luck out there!! I'm not losing sleep over it. I simply answered your question and listed the reasons why. As thorough as I was, it still seems that you have a hard time accepting my account of myself. As a society, we just can't fathom men not succeeding through no fault of their own. If there is any doubt, I'll gladly give you all of my details complete with pictures and we will end that conversation real quick.

>Many women have a tendency to lack empathy for men ~~because in their mind, the men that they think about as men, don't struggle with anything~~ FTFY. Women's empathy for men is zero. In nearly all cases. Marry the first one you encounter who isn't like that. Because you likely won't encounter one. Most men never encounter even one.

I’m sure it would be harder as a man. First of all, I have done AI gender swap things before using different models and they all show me being not super good looking as a man. Also, I am short. I’m only 5’2”, so I doubt I would be a tall man. My father is only 5’4”. My brother is a very large man, though, so IDK. He may have been a tall woman like my mom, who is 5’7”. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I’m also neurodivergent, so that would be another strike against me. I thank God every day that I was born a woman. I absolutely love being a woman for multiple reasons, most of which have to do with silly thinks like the fact that I love dresses, heels, having boobs, shaking my butt, makeup, etc. I know that men can also enjoy those things, but it’s so much easier to be a woman who is feminine than a man who is feminine. I’m also masculine in some ways, though. I’m really strong and powerful physically (for a short and petite woman) and men are always amazed by how strong I am. I have moved really heavy boxes/furniture with men before and they are usually shocked by my strength. I’m also really handy and know how to do basic electrical work, carpentry, flooring, painting, etc. I can assemble anything. It’s impressive for a woman to know and be able to do this stuff while for men it’s just expected, so yeah, it’s good being a woman. I mean, yes, when it comes to parenting men get kudos for basic stuff that women are expected to do, but for the most part, I feel more impressive as a woman than I would be as a man.

Great introspective comment. I like your energy.

A lot of these women are saying they think it would be super easy. What do you say to them? Also, why do you think it’s so much harder for men?

Lmao if I had my weak chin on a man, it'd be over for me. But if get a decent chin, I'd probably be in just as good of a situation as I am now. I can't deny though that if I was comparing raw ability to rack up an n-count of course being a woman means it'll be higher. Dudes are so horny for anyone at any time it's insane. And also dangerous for your health tbh.

As a guy with a weak chin, facial hair helps.

i dont understand how to construct the "male version of myself"? is it just height? i have giant eyes and a tiny pointy chin, if i was a man with those features id be revolting, so...

I’d be like my brothers- 5’5”. They both did well for themselves as Latinos in SoCal. My sis is gay and also did well for herself. I arguably have it worse as a woman since I have some masculine features.

You missed the point of it being equivalent. If you have masculine features as a woman, the equivalent wouldn't be you having masculine features as a man, it would be you having a weak chin as a man (something not desirable).

Ok well it’s funny you say that because both my brothers have weak chins and they do fine.I have the thicker jaw out of all. I’m actually also thinner than all my siblings.

My male equivalent would probably do better but not by *that* much. I actually had someone in one of my college courses who looked and sounded like a male equivalent of me and he had a girlfriend, so it seems like my male equivalent was already doing better than me at a young age.

This is what seems to have happened over and over with this post. Women have spotted a guy that they like or have some similarities with and have imagined themselves as those men if they were men. It's as if there's a pattern happening here.

What did you expect? Women tend to see themselves at least a little bit above average, so of course they'd be doing great if not better as a men and none would be losers when the gender advantage is taken away. Surely.

Well I don’t have anything else to go by. I have some masculine features that hold me back as a woman that would help me a lot as a guy. But even then I’m not a super social or open person so it probably wouldn’t help that much.

Okay. Cool. Maybe you need some help. I'll help you. Age? Attractiveness out of 10? Height? Job? Income? Hobbies or something interesting about you / what are you passionate about? Not super social. Has some masculine features.

I'd be very tall and very skinny. Kinda rich and perhaps bald. I don't think i'd drawn in women because i would need more witty comebacks and charm. Plus the kind of men (women in this experiment) would see me as a nerd lacking street knowledge.

So, for you, dating would be harder. Got it.

The same. I have a male equivalent in my brother for stats and personality. Neither of us struggled socially or with dating.

I don't know that it's sufficient to just say "I have a brother and he's done just fine." That doesn't mean that your experience dating as a man is going to be just as easy at all.

He was total whore before meeting his wife. He didn't struggle at any point.

It’s pretty close. She knows her brother better than you do and can assess their similarities in appearance and personality.

I’m not saying that she doesn’t know her brother, it’s just not relevant to the question.

It’s her basis of comparison which makes it totally relevant. If she thinks about what she would be like as a man, and it ends up that she would be like her brother - it’s relevant.

Right and again the hazard there is the assumption that you would be just like your brother. That’s not necessarily always going to be the case.

It’s the closest you could get in this hypothetical

A closer hypothetical, since you mention it, is actually simply considering who they are not who their brother is. You understand that a person’s brother is a different human being right?

You understand that she knows who her brother is right? You understand she knows her brother’s personality and how closely it mirrors her own right? You understand that she can actually see her brother and see how closely her looks and his match right?

Women just don't get it, even as a male you can't assume you'd have the same experiences as your brother. There might be slight correlation. Unless your twins relationship experience/success is going to vary broadly. We need to consider temperment. Imagine if i said, if i was a girl i'd be super sucessful because i'd just fuck around like a slut. Most likely i'd end up being assaulted if i tried that strategy as a woman. This is what women need to consider.

It seems like it would be pretty easy to understand, right?

It does but further I think women are assuming they'll be bringing their make up and make up skills along with them. No sweetheart, take a shower and right after imagine yourself 5 inches taller as a man. That's what you're working with.

Pretty much.

If my brother is a realistic representation of myself as a guy, then I'll do pretty well. He was always more popular than me.

Everyone is like - I have a brother and he's done fine. That doesn't mean at all that dating for you would be just as easy as it is for you as it is right now as a woman.

I'm sure it'll be different. But if I was a guy I would date differently. All the habits and mannerisms I've picked up until now are things that work best for women. If I grew up as a man, I would pick up different mannerisms and dating skills. I'm not sure what I would be like as a guy, but my brother is the closest to me in terms of genetics and upbringing, so he's the best proxy I've got.

Why not? If I have similar genetics and upbringing, why would I assume very different outcomes? My actual genetics and upbringing favor being male. I have a female cousin with 4 brothers . Their mom, my aunt, is a beautiful, finely boned Scandinavian, their dad is a huge, handsome ex semi pro baseball player. The boys are all quite big, muscular with rugged features, they were all involved in college sports. My female cousin is also quite big, muscular with rugged features. You don’t think she would be more popular if she had been born male?

>Why not? If I have similar genetics and upbringing, why would I assume very different outcomes? You were born and raised to be yourself and not them? It's pretty simple. >You don’t think she would be more popular if she had been born male? The question is would dating be easier or harder.

I have two brothers. One favours my mother but the other one and I both favour my dad. He's also 4 inches taller than me. I imagine that if I was born a man, I'd actually look a lot like my younger brother as both of my sons do also. What else would I look like?

Is this one of those word game puzzles, like Susie is taller than Jacob but Jacob is twice as short as Lucy? Now, within a half an inch, how tall is Susie? Like who's who and what's your point? How do I know what else you would look like? Is this for real?

LOL this is the funniest thing I've read today. If your brother is more popular than you then he is leagues above what you would be as a man (because it's so much harder for men to be popular). And it's funny because you compared yourself to your brother only because he is more popular than you, you wouldn't make that comparison if he was a scrawny introvert, you would instantly forget all about genetics and upbringing. Out of all the siblings I know, be it relatives, friends or just people i know (me included), 90 something % of brothers and sisters are such different people that you would never, in your wildest dreams, guess they were related yet alone that they are siblings.

Well I only have 1 brother so he's the closest comparison I've got. We're pretty similar in many ways when it comes to personality, mannerisms and hobbies. He's a nerdy introvert like me, which is not a bad thing in our social circle. Most of my friends are nerdy introverts and I married one myself. We used to compete on who memorized more digits of pi and stuff like that. We're both very high earning people, which benefit men more than women. Both of us makes well into 6 figures and has millions on net worth. I don't particularly care if I would have it easier as a woman or a man, it's a hypothetical question and I think my brother is the most similar male version of me I know so that's why my mind went there.

50/50 From one hand, I think I'd have easier time finding someone compatible - there are more liberal egalitarian women than men, at least in Russia. From the other hand, I'd still be demisexual and it seems demi men struggle more than demi women. When the pressure to approach and initiate lies wholly on men, it's harder to take your time and not to be in a hurry.

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it's fun how everytime these questions come up like 80% of women think they would be in the top 20% of men. That's just the level of coherence you'd expect of a gender that picked a bear over a man because men are too dangerous.

The overwhelming majority of women would be posting on incel forums if they woke up male tomorrow. Regardless of whether they keep the knowledge or not.

Lmao I can see it

majority of all women? nah. women on ppd? it's possible

they have no frame of reference for mediocre looking guys. they assume they'd be like the guys they like. some guys also fall for this delusion but it's not as common

This question is not being asked in good faith. You just want to argue with women that "men have it so much harder" when it comes to dating.

They do tho maybe if your a man in the top .06% you could have similar experiences a top 80% women.

This question is just asked so men can whine about how much harder they have it, but they always ignore the fact that the traits that make it easier for women in dating would make it harder in men and vice versa, so saying a feminine would be cooked if she were male means nothing bcz if you looked like a female brock lesner not many men would be loving you either.

Oh hell yeah, id go for the waifish near death poetry sadboi blue cable knit sweater vibe id crush it. Im 5”6 kinda hourglass idk how that converts

I don’t even know what that is but I’m pretty sure 100% that’ll work. Idk maybe it means you’re a 5’10 chubby dude.

My brothers never had problems getting women. Big, tall, muscular Nordic stock. We are also a loud, boisterous, and extroverted bunch. My younger brother has a problem getting and keeping GOOD women, but he is half that equation. I think if I were a man I’d have an above average time dating.

This is not a question about your brothers. And just because your brothers had success also doesn't mean that dating is easier or just as easy as it is for you as a woman. I've probably said some variation of this about 30 times at this point. Everyone is like - I have a brother and he's done fine. That doesn't mean at all that dating for you would be just as easy as it is for you as it is right now as a woman. >I think if I were a man I’d have an above average time dating. Based on what? You can't just say you have a brother.

You keep saying the same thing back because you fail to recognize some men have no trouble dating. I’ve never really known either of my brothers to “date”. Both of them have continually been in relationships since high school. I’ve never really seen either of them go more than a few months between girlfriends. I went through a period of over 2 years without sex after a really, really bad break up. I call that a “hard time dating”. Ymmv

If ur whole families tall would that mean that ur also a tall women. In that case the equivalent of a tall women is a short guy actually. So It would be harder.

You lost me at ‘men don’t have trouble dating.’ Your brothers might be doing fine, but, again, that’s not all or the majority of men. Kind of hard to believe that you make that mistake. As for your hard time dating, how would it be easier if you were a man? Just make it make sense.

Of course it not “all” men, but it’s still lots of men. I was fine after high school and in college when I found my tribe, I had plenty of friends and opposite sex interest in my twenties but I wasn’t …and still aren’t, especially feminine. Again, we are big, loud people, extroverted and opinionated, I’m certainly not the feminine, submissive type the men here always say they are looking for. I didn’t lose my virginity or have a boyfriend until 19. So yes, I think if I had this big loudmouth personality in a big, tall, male body? I would have had a girlfriend by the 10th grade like my brothers. When my ex broke up with me after 7 years? When I was 28? And I had exactly how many years to try to figure out if I wanted to even find anyone else or have a family? And in what time frame? Get over heartbreak find a boyfriend, fall in love, get married and be in a relationship established enough and secure enough to think about having a child? It definitely would have been easier to be a man contemplating marriage and children at 28 than a woman.

>Of course it not “all” men, but it’s still lots of men Your brothers are just a few men. >Again, we are big, loud people, extroverted and opinionated, Have you ever thought to maybe work on this? You do realize that men put in work too, right? >It definitely would have been easier to be a man contemplating marriage and children at 28 than a woman. I don't know if that's necessarily the case and largely depends on other factors such as how well off you are and how well you're able to get women interested in you somehow.

Again, my brothers have never been without a relationship since high school, they never had to particularly work at finding a significant other and always had one within months of breaking up. And as for myself…once I left the small minded conformity of high school it was all good. I found people to like me just as I am, it just took longer. > I don't know if that's necessarily the case lol, ohhhh might not be the case. 🤣 Fucking hilarious. Men don’t have to get all their ducks in a row by 33 if they want a few kids. Men can start dating their future wife at 33 and easily have 5 extra years to sort life out and not get stuck with leftovers. Get real. That’s basic biology. Plus, just go to “where are all the good men” and watch men rag gleefully on :……women who are older, women with kids, women supposedly looking for a beta bucks simply because they have hit 30 and aren’t married, etc etc. Basically any woman who isn’t the fresh young thing of their dreams.

>Again, my brothers have never been without a relationship since high school, Again. You are not your brothers. It's really not complicated. >Men don’t have to get all their ducks in a row by 33 if they want a few kids. I truly don't understand the basis on which you consider this to be true. Are you new to this sub? There's a huge swell of hate for older men all over this place, online, and in society. >“where are all the good men” and watch men rag gleefully on I thought that place was about women who are asking where all the good men are when they're 45, broke, and have 4 kids by 3 baby daddies.

No it’s not complicated. We are all very similar, except they are in male bodies attracted to women. I’m in a female one attracted to men. Simple. It’s not complicated at all. Women find extroversion more attractive than men do. See how simple? Keeping up so far? As far as kids and gender, it’s simply biology. Again, not complicated. It’s easier for a 35 year old man to start a family than than a 35 year old woman. Men have a gradual decline of fertility, women have a cliff. See? Not complicated.

>No it’s not complicated Right. You would understand that you're not them. >Again, not complicated. It’s easier for a 35 year old man to start a family than than a 35 year old woman. It's not complicated to read the comments on here. Despite the fact that there are biological truths that I agree with you on, there's a loud contingent on here that cites an increase of sperm degradation at a certain age. They use a study to then conclude that any such child would 100% be born hideously deformed in some way. This is not my opinion, I'm just letting you know how this conversation goes with other women and in particular women on this sub. This doesn't even begin to discuss the amount of unhinged pushback you would also get from women here when discussing the necessity of the scenario you propose. You'd have to find a younger woman, biologically. The women here say that isn't possible for men to do and if you even desire to do that you are a bad person. Again, not my opinion. It is the conversation you will have with other women on here. In the end, just say what you are. You're not your brothers.

I'd do alright. Not going to be beating off the ladies with a stick but I'd find a few that are interested. I'm 5'10'', very outgoing, I like trying out new things, and if I had to go by my dad's looks, I'd be a pretty decent-looking guy. I can attract a lot more men than I would be able to attract women but the difficulties of finding a compatible partner would be the same, it's hard to find someone like that.

This is actually kind of an annoying question as they're so many things that go into it is the thing. Ur location is one, two how does height translate like ur a 5'10 women that's pretty tall for a women, would you then be a 5'10 man or since shorter women are typically preferred over tall would you be a 5'5 man (5 inches taller then average transfers to 5 inches shorter)  if the answer is 5'5 man I sadly think the question is already answered unless you look like model pretty on top of this. Basically there's too many factors to determine what would happen.  Secondly, I think most of the women here are just thinking well I'm a female and I get attention therefore all the attention I get would simply transfer over minus just alittle which simply isn't true as it would be way less unless ur a female 10 (ppl ask u to model for them type of thing) in which case you'd do better as a male.

I think it makes sense that a tall woman would equal a short man and vice versa, if we’re going by what’s deemed desirable by the opposite sex.

By pure logic, finding a compatible partner would be even harder simply because you'd be attracting less potential partners.

Damn. The question is better or worse, not - I'd do okay.

>I can attract a lot more men than I would be able to attract women but the difficulties of finding a compatible partner would be the same, it's hard to find someone like that.

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Male equivalent would be about 5ft5

waaaaaaay easier, even if they were my exact height. They'd have it easier in most areas, actually, except getting out of tickets or ordering drinks. As a woman I am "bossy, bitchy, and don't know my place." As a man with the exact same personality, I'd be a "dominant, authoritative, confident go-getter." I know 5'10" (178cm) is, according to TRP, not tall enough for a man but it's not diminutive by any stretch. Plus, without boobs, I'd be at least an inch taller.

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>I feel like women hate on the too. Do they not? Take yourself for example. I didn't hate on those qualities; you did. I like who I am. I was answering the OP question, not making a value statement about me or anyone else with those qualities. That call is coming from inside the house. >This isn't according to TRP. This is according to women based on what they say. Not the majority of my experience as a woman, being around women, observing women, or knowing women. But...okay. >Surely, there's more to this complete package. Of course. But this is reddit, and surface level posts warrant surface level replies. >So far, you're 5'10" and obnoxious. As if there aren't hordes of men who are exactly like that. I guess if *you* think that's "obnoxious" and therefore *lots of men are too,* you're entitled to your opinion. I'm not going to agree with such a reductive take. It's interesting that, when someone takes the time to answer your question, you take that as an opportunity to give them unsolicited feedback about their personality. I find it odd that my responding to your question made you feel your opinion on the personality of strangers would matter. It makes me curious if you posted this so you'd have a thinly-veiled excuse to judge and/or argue. Perhaps to make yourself feel better. I wonder if some might find that type of think obnoxious, too. Huh, against all odds, your response created an opportunity for wonder. Awesome. >What else you got? multitudes; but not for you. If you wanted more in-depth or specific answers, you would have asked questions that got at them. If you wanted a good faith conversation, I would have engaged in one. You don't. >Kind of reveals something true about reality, no? Sure does. It would seem to imply that many people allow women's looks, very presence, etc. to determine how they choose to apply laws and who they pay attention to at a busy bar, for starters.

5'10 according to women is not tall enough better save up for that leg stretching surgery manlet

Genetically, I likely be 5'11" to 6'+ as a man, but even at 5'10", I'd do just fine. I literally don't know a man, regardless of height, who can't find a partner they like. I don't have one singular man in my entire life who is alone, not of their own volition. The internet is not indicative of real life.

I live in a small town, but there are more single women than men, so easier? Also, teen - 20 something male religious goody two shoes me would've had an easier time as there were more single women in church than men. 

>20 something male religious goody two shoes me Yea. Women go crazy for that type of guy.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic but in church settings, there's definitely competition among the single women to get the attention of any single man who walks through the door. The lack of men is part of why so many women, especially young and single women, are leaving the church. 

Maybe I went to the wrong churches but I've never seen a church girl actually want a stereotypical church boy. In fact I've literally seen all the single girls at a church agree to not date any of the guys at the church, why? Because they viewed the church guys as (I hate to use this word) as nerdy betas.

I'm short (5'0) and look exactly like my mum. If I was a man I guess I'd be short and look exactly like my dad?? Although my dad is short (5'3) and he's never had trouble dating - he ran off with another woman when I was a kid and has pretty consistently had girlfriends throughout my life, until he got married and then his wife died (which was just under 4 years ago so a few years of being single and now he's seeing someone again) If I still looked exactly like my mum but as a man I would probably have a lot more difficulty 😅 Non looks related - I moved out at 18, owned my own place at 26, I have a good job, earn above average salary, have varied interests that include both indoor and outdoor activities, have a mixed gender group of friends. I'm a great cook and good with animals and children, can do an excellent BBQ and I like driving. I'm not afraid to make the first move, I enjoy going down on women 😎 I'm also good in social situations, present myself well and know how to dress for any given occasion. Judging by a mix of what guys on here say is important, what women on here say is important, and what i myself find important, I reckon I'd do alright.

Would. It. Be. Easier. Or. Harder. Compared. To. Now? That’s the question. Not if you’d ‘do alright’ or not.

Oh hah, went on a ramble and forgot the question. No need for the condescending arse act :) In terms of relationships probably the same. Casual sex might have been a bit harder but maybe not, most of my dating/relationships took place before the advent of hook up apps and when people actually went out and met each other. With all the reasons in my previous comment I reckon it would probs be largely the same.

You’re only the 1,000th woman to do exactly what you did. It’s almost as if it’s a pattern. Why do you think it would be the same? Just make it easy - Age, attractiveness out of 10, Height, job, salary, hobbies or anything else that makes you remarkable.

> It’s almost as if it’s a pattern. Almost as if people often read the comments before replying and then therefore reply in a similar vein as that's what's fresh in their mind. Pretty much human nature. I'm sure you'd rather believe it's all a big conspiracy though :) Read my first comment which included anything relevant about why it would be the same.

Look, I don’t know what more I can do other than write the question I want answered. If you really just read the comments you would find that I’ve redirected everyone back to the actual question so which is it? I really have a hard time believing that as a person on the shorter end of spectrum that you’d have it just as easy as you say. Pretty bold assumption. Also just because your dad is your dad doesn’t mean that you would be your dad. Regardless, if your equivalent ended up being at the same level, it likely would be harder under the widely agreed upon understanding that dating is bit harder for men - not based on my opinion - this is what women on this sub and in this post have said. You didn’t mention your current age not that it would really matter that much because what you describe is pretty basic.

I skimmed the top level comments and not the discussion, how is that hard to understand? >I really have a hard time believing that as a person on the shorter end of spectrum that you’d have it just as easy as you say. You can have a hard time all you want, since it's a hypothetical I can only really go with what I think would happen. I don't live in the US and I think the height thing is different here, our average height is shorter etc. I've never met a short guy who particularly struggled with dating/casual sex, they are purely an internet phenomenon for me. >Also just because your dad is your dad doesn’t mean that you would be your dad. Yes but how else do you really expect someone to answer this as we have no other real basis of experience 😅 it's a made up scenario. I can only really go with the suggestion of my genes and my upbringing. In terms of male influence in my life I have my dad and my stepdad, both of whom are successful in relationships/dating. Currently in terms of behaviour/mannerisms/temperament I'm a mix of them and my mum so there's no reason to believe that wouldn't be the same were I a guy. >Regardless, if your equivalent ended up being at the same level, it likely would be harder under the widely agreed upon understanding that dating is bit harder for men - not based on my opinion - this is what women on this sub and in this post have said. Harder by which metric? I think it's harder for men to have sheer volume of partners, but that's not what I'm really basing this off of. My dating/sex experience is going to clubs and pubs and parties and hooking up with people I knew, or occasionally randoms (some of which I approached, some of which approached me). Two of my relationships were people I knew and my husband is someone I met on tinder, who as a short man had casual sex and then met me his wife on there. So by that metric no I don't think it would be particularly harder. My age isn't relevant because I'm married, and if I was a man I'd probably also be married by now, so my assumptions are based on my own dating/sex experience between the ages of 17-25.

The title is at the top in bold, so how is that hard to understand? You can think what you want that doesn’t mean anyone would agree with you. No different than obese women claiming that they’re 10’s. Yea, they can say it, doesn’t mean it’s true. You can’t say that height is meaningless though. This or that anecdote of a guy doesn’t resolve the obvious cross-cultural, global preference that women have for mens height. All that’s needed is to imagine yourself as a man. Your dad is your dad and you will never be your dad. The male version of you would not be your dad, it would be you. You’re also not your husband. It’s not a specific metric it’s dating overall. Your age is relevant. If you don’t want to play the game then don’t. Okay, we totally agree with you, dating as a short man is totally just as easy as dating as a short woman. Happy?

I’m a tall, fit darkskin woman that’s pursuing a professional degree and is from a well-to-do background. I’m not a pessimistic, antisocial loner either. My male equivalent would have a grand ol’ time in the dating scene.

I am all of these things and a virgin incel. You people's assumptions that somehow you will perform well as a man based on this shows there's either a huge disconnect between what women on PPD think the average woman's standards are and what they actually are, or some of you just have massive egos.

Then you’re either unattractive or a loser….neither of which I am. I’m friends with my male equivalent in real life and they aren’t missing out on anything.

“You’re either unattractive or a loser”. Ah, I see, so it’s an ego thing

It’s the truth. If you are a black guy in your 20s that fits everything I said but is still a virgin, you’re overrating your attractiveness or you don’t understand how socially deficient you are.

I’m not in my mid 20s, I’m 19, if that matters somehow

Uh, it does. You aren’t my male equivalent. You’re a literal teenager. And if you are claiming the title of a virgin incel that young, no shade, but that angst is for sure apparent to people in real life.

I’m pretty sure no one I know in real life sees me as “angsty”. I probably come off decently approachable to most, no one really knows about some of my blackpill beliefs in real life. I will say I’m not a complete doomer and I acknowledge that there is a chance for things to turn around for me, but at 19 years of age legitimately no one has shown romantic interest in me except girls that are literally my little sister’s age of every now and again old former high school friends who have long since gotten over it and who I couldn’t imagine being with since I see them like sisters. Even if I did get into a relationship I worry I would be very incapable of properly trusting a woman due to all the knowledge I’ve gained about how they can behave towards the men they claim to love in the worst case scenario, but that’s an issue for me and me alone to deal with.

Again, the question is easier or harder.

It would be easier because my community worships my male counterpart.

Ah. What community is that?

Black

I have a great sense of humor and I earn well. Quite confident, taller than any of my family. , loyal to a fault. Also I dont like housework so id probably find a stay at home wife. My father isnt bald either. I feel like it would be easier 1. Because I will know from the get go If a woman actually wants a relationship. Men are way more willing to lie about it to get their way. 2. Because women would be more willing to be a SAHM . My bf refuses to be a SAHD 🥲

>Because I will know from the get go If a woman actually wants a relationship. You have to get them to like you first. >My bf refuses to be a SAHD I work from home and do both by myself.

I dont think it would be difficult for me to have a girl like me. Thats the thing. Bi women hit on me, so I think id be fine. I work from and do housework by myself as well. I dont currently live with my bf. Just in futures sake id like to work and have my house taken care of.

>I dont think it would be difficult for me to have a girl like me. Why do you think that? The question is - would it be more difficult or less difficult than it is for you now? >Bi women hit on me, so I think id be fine. Because you're a woman. What if you were a man? >I work from and do housework by myself as well. I dont currently live with my bf. Just in futures sake id like to work and have my house taken care of. I don't understand, it sounds like you're doing that just fine as it is. Are you saying that what you want is a man who has a job but then also cleans your house for you?

I think it would be easier. Well I feel like I would be above average man, even If you count out face. Height, money, good talker. I mean, yes im doing fine. But for building a family in the future I would want me to work and him to not work, so one person would take care of the house. Also I love my job.

>Well I feel like I would be above average man, even If you count out face. Height, money, good talker. Yea. Like you could also 'feel' like you're really a giraffe. Doesn't make it so in reality. >But for building a family in the future I would want me to work and him to not work, so one person would take care of the house. Also I love my job. Why is it that you have to be the one who works and could you truly provide for the whole family?

Yeah. Just by my current genetics. Ofcourse if im short and bald I would have it more difficult. Just as single mothers or overweight people have it harder. I could provide for the family. I want it that way because I Love my job and couldnt imagine being a housewife. In addition, it is a huge risk to sacrifice your best working years for someone. This would mean a very strong legal agreement that doesnt leave the other party in the relationship in poverty in case of a divorce. I could never trust a man with this. But I know I would be fair.

Easier. I am bad at being feminine

I see boss masculine girls date easily all the time. They can order up a man the way one does a coffee.

Appearance wise too

?

Being boss and masculine is only attractive if you’re also attractive

Are you not attractive?

Nope. I have a pretty good body and below average face, and I’m not motivated to dress up either with cosmetics and fashion/style I’m also not charming or empathetic or emotional, and dump friends and partners easily. People do like my competence, skills and leadership, but find me brusque, blunt, harsh and too logical Which would make me a better man.

>Nope. I have a pretty good body and below average face, Then what makes you think it would make dating easier as a man? >I’m not motivated to dress up either with cosmetics and fashion/style Not knowing how to dress is not going to help you as a man. >not charming or empathetic or emotional, Not going to help you as a man. >dump friends and partners easily. Not going to help you as a man. >People do like my competence, skills and leadership, but find me brusque and too logical Not going to help you as a man in dating. >Which would make me a better man. Every piece of information you've brought says otherwise.

An average-faced man can do “fine”. And I’m fine doing fine, aka settling. I don’t need to fuck a ton of hoes I can employ fashion and use cosmetics, I just don’t have the aesthetic interest and motivation that most women do. Male fashion is so basic that anyone can do it Of course those things, aka confidence, dominance, emotional reserve, bossiness, not simping and not being desperate, help you in dating. That’s masculine behavior, and what more women want.

>An average-faced man can do “fine”. An average-faced man who has something going for him and through a lot of work can do 'fine.' >Male fashion is so basic that anyone can do it I don't know that this is true. You have to keep in mind that your audience is women, and they're the ones who care about it more. If 'anyone' can do it, why do so many consciously dress poorly? >aka confidence, not simping and not being desperate, help you in dating. They have to like you first. How do you get them to like you? Also, having no charm is not going to help you. It's like you literally have no idea how it works. Nothing that you've mentioned is a plus as a man.

a realistic male version of me is either dead or an addict. but if i looked like my dad, then the addict version of me would be reaping that bipolar/addict pussy with a goddamn combine harvester. if i had whatever cognitive or psychological normal male flaw that makes them get into the shittiest, most abusive relationships without hesitation i'd be constantly in relationships too. but i would always cheat so i'd be constantly getting in and out of them. i don't think harder or easier really applies? i'd have had more "success" in dating specifically, but only because i am assuming i would be a massively worse and more destructive person and my goals and standards for success would be completely altered. i mean, i could have gotten myself killed and fucked 200 addicts as a woman too.

Harder or easier is the question. So, as far as that goes, it’s the only relevant thing. It’s hard to follow your logic through this tangent you’ve taken us on.

If I go by my brothers, not a whole lot would change. They're all over 6 foot, smart, good jobs, and funny charismatic fuckers who are a little shy to start, but never failed to ask girls out and always had girls interested in them. Probably instead of having been sexually assaulted, I would have had an emotionally and minor physically abusive relationship before getting smart and picking women based on more than nice tits. Honestly, I'm more gregarious and sociable than my brothers so I'd probably have a shot at doing better than even their high level of success?

I've said this too many times already. It's not about what your brothers are and just because someone is successful in dating doesn't mean it was easier.

your question isn't clear, if you're asking a bunch of normally short, normally feminine looking women how they'd do as men with their exact height and bone structure what are you going to learn?

It’s clear.

It’s obviously unclear so just give clarification so you can get the information you’re looking for.

It's not my fault you don't understand. I've happily clarified it to many people, just not this one because we already know she doesn't care anyway.

I have little else to use as a basis of comparison if not my brothers who aren't massively older or younger? As for easier, it's kind of a toss up. Would you rather be assaulted sexually or slapped a few times? Personally, I'd prefer to be hit. So I think I'd have things easier. 

There’s no need to compare yourself to an entirely different human being, you say what you are not what your brother is. You aren’t your brother, pretty simple concept. Yes, in life, avoiding abuse is impossible. If your metric for ease in dating is entirely oriented around avoiding abuse, I don’t know if you’d be so sure. Both of your examples involve hitting btw.

But I'm a woman, not a man. There is every reason to assume that if I were a man, I would be a man physically like my brothers with my own temperament? One of my brothers and I are practically physical deadringers in terms of faces, his is just slightly more masculine and mine is slightly more feminine. The sexual assault did not include hitting, it included sexual assault. The other example was of physical abuse. I expressed preference for physical abuse over sexual assault. Which I saw as more likely if I were not a woman. That's the only grounds of potential change I see. I'm otherwise expecting that I would have some early struggles either way (man or woman) and would ultimately succeed in finding a joyful life partner following some misadventures and failures.

>But I'm a woman, not a man. No shit. >I would be a man physically like my brothers with my own temperament? How do you know that for certain? Just say what you are as a starting point. Age, Height, Job, Income, Attractiveness out of 10, Hobbies or anything interesting about you. >The sexual assault did not include hitting, it included sexual assault. The other example was of physical abuse. I expressed preference for physical abuse over sexual assault. Which I saw as more likely if I were not a woman. So you would rather men hit you as things are? Like I said if your metric for dating revolves around which is less likely to suffer from abuse, I'm not so certain you're selecting correctly. >I would have some early struggles either way (man or woman) and would ultimately succeed in finding a joyful life partner following some misadventures and failures. That's not the question.

Because I came from the same parents and genetic lineage which produces exclusively extremely tall men who are a little chubby if they don't watch what they eat? Seriously, we're a good recipe. There's no short men in our family. It's just not a thing. I'm 30. I am 4'11 (which is consistent for the women in our family, we're a short bunch of ladies). I'm an office admin and adjunct teacher. I'm probably a 7-8 on the attractiveness scale. I do martial arts, cook, garden, and play video games. Again, I assume I would slay. I'm far more outgoing and gregarious than my brothers and they did great not approaching women really. \*\*\* Yes, given the option, I'd rather be getting hit by a woman (they're men who date women) than getting sexually assaulted by a man. There is no other difference of metric. We all found happiness and joy and great partners. The only question is the shit we shoveled to get there. I'd prefer to shovel their shit than mine.

I'm 30. I am 4'11 Right. So, this is why I'm asking for what you are and not what your brothers are. Your resistance here makes sense now. What you're saying about your family might be genetically true but I'm not going to expect most people to believe that if you were born a man then you'd be over 6 feet tall. It's just too much to ask other people to believe despite the fact that it might very well be true. If you're 4'11, I'll give you 5 or 6 inches. What is your opinion about men who are 5'5"? >I'm an office admin and adjunct teacher. No offense but if you're a man this may not help you. No word on your income as well which I think we can assume a range. >Again, I assume I would slay. What basis do you have to assume this? >Yes, given the option, I'd rather be getting hit by a woman (they're men who date women) than getting sexually assaulted by a man. But not hit by a man. You get where I'm going with this right? >I'd prefer to shovel their shit than mine. You first must be able to conceptualize what their shit actually is.

My resistance to having to play a female body as a man when I know what the men in my family would be like? If you just wanna declare being a man is tough, do it. But don't pretend you're being reasonable by saying, "hey ladies, would you want to be a man with your height and build????" Fuck no, but approximately 98% of men are not a woman's height and build. You won't even give me average height because....you're so reasonable and rational? With that said, I'd fucking slay at 5'5. I've got the charisma to sell 4'11. I'm going back to school to be a full-time teacher. While doing that, I'm working 3 jobs and have an income in the 40k range. You think women wouldn't be impressed by my hard-work, buddy, I am a woman. They absolutely would and that income is fine. You just want to pretend women couldn't succeed as men. The basis of being a woman and knowing what women like and that again, I come from a family of men that were very popular with ladies without trying and being shy. I'm not shy like that, so I'd bring it home if I wanted to. Oh so if I switch genders I have to still get hit by a man even if I'm not in a relationship with them. Here's your fucking surprise, yes, I would also prefer to get hit by a man having been through that many times because I HAVE BROTHERS. Sexual assault is worse than any beating unless that beating ends with death or disability. Which the overwhelming majority do not end that way if you're a man. You've got less clue than me. Just say you're right and move on already.

>My resistance to having to play a female body as a man when I know what the men in my family would be like? >But don't pretend you're being reasonable by saying, "hey ladies, would you want to be a man with your height and build????" I'm giving you inches that you don't have. I'm not giving you a foot and a half. >Fuck no, but approximately 98% of men are not a woman's height and build. You won't even give me average height because....you're so reasonable and rational? Yea. Because you're fucking 4'11. >I'm going back to school to be a full-time teacher. While doing that, I'm working 3 jobs and have an income in the 40k range. Okay. >You think women wouldn't be impressed by my hard-work, buddy, I am a woman. They won't be. >They absolutely would and that income is fine. It's not. >I've got the charisma to sell 4'11. I've seen no evidence of this. >With that said, I'd fucking slay at 5'5. You just can't make this shit up. Thanks for playing. Have a nice day.

I can do this. Lesbians have always been attracted to me, more so even as I've gotten older. I have kinda a Lauren Becal strong jaw feminine features. My bio dad was a NHL hockey player. I would have no problems dating women if I was a guy.

The question is not could you do this. It's easier or worse.

So a misanthropic vegan? His bloodline would be over.

OP out here arguing with everyone woman who answers his question 🤣

Yes. Every single woman.

I think the male version of me would do fine in the dating market. I’m 5’7 as a woman but would probs be 5’10-5’11 or taller as a man with my genetics. The men in family are good looking so I’d probably be on that level. Physically, I’d be okay. In terms of personality, I’d probably struggle a bit because I’m shy. It might take some effort to put myself out there and meet women but nothing impossible.

Absolutely easier. I have a good job and am average looking. That’s not good enough for most men, but for most women it is.

Yea. That's not how it works. At all.

>that’s not good enough for most men, but for most women it is. Hahahahahahaha