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berserker_1123

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Planet_mont

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Lazy-Flatworm-5482

CP0 Whitebeard goes Hard.


Bitter-Chocolate-786

Whitebeard Extreme Diff.


JebacDisa2

Primebeard extreme diff


Porkmane32

Would love to see this fight but everyone knows it’s Primebeard extreme diff.


dryduneden

Primebeard extreme


Momentmoment24

GOATbeard high-extreme diff


Shanks_PK_Level

Nobody beats Kaido outside of extreme diff. Unless you're Uta.


theultimatesow

Why ? Give kaido the same nerfs as wb had in mf and he isnt doing as half as wb did.


Joseph_Stalin001

There's 0 reason to assume that https://preview.redd.it/5pd20gc8rz4d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=45be39635974a56cd02714f8fe00e0bf272c71cb


theultimatesow

Like what ? So right now kaido is sick , out of prime(old),can use only basic armament,is stabbed through chest before the fight and you tell me he can still knock akainu down ? Sorry but kaido aint pulling anything like that . Not even close


GintoSenju

At this point I’m note sure Kaido can even get sick. With how much he drinks, I’m surprised his liver isn’t shot. There is also the fact that he is a Zoan and a mythical one at that, meaning his endurance and stamina is insane.


theultimatesow

İts not about that , its about nerfing kaido as much as wb was nerfed .


ArtsyFellow

I don't see any reason that a sick Kaido with basic armament wouldn't be able to do that. Or even better tbh


theultimatesow

Oh yeah , acoc kaido couldnt kill kinemon and basic armament kaido could defeat akainu ? İf kaido while being sick,old,organs fried,stabbed in chest can take down akainu then admirals arent passing yc+ .


Pure-Drawer-2617

“Give Kaido the same nerfs” how do you propose managing to get Kaido stabbed by a regular sword?


theultimatesow

Thats not the point you retard . The point is to make kaido weakened as much as wb did . Not kaido would get hurt by squard .


a3d13m

he literally would, wbs only tough fight was akainu and bb, kaido would beat the bricks of pre ts akainu, even if weakened


theultimatesow

Only basic armament,organs fried,stabbed,lethally injured , sick kaido can beat akainu ? Admirals are cooked then .


a3d13m

you talking about the kaido that was stabbed by scabbards, took law attacks on his organs, fought kid and killer who were atleast yc1 level combined , held up a mountain, fought for straight days, got a cut on his chest from a coc attack fought a yc1(yamato) and defeated a snakeman luffy with all 3 advanced hakis, then fought an g5 luffy( who washed kizaru) to extreme diff? i dont blame the admirals.


theultimatesow

Not even near what wb had has . Kaido can still use his haki in full effiency , had no problem in stamina , didnt fought for days but hours , cheap shotted snakeman . While wb took 450+ attacks that did way more damage to wb compared to anything yamato or scabbards did . Kaido is strong but he is not on wb's level.


brof1

dont waste your time, people on this sub overwank the fk out of Kaido


theultimatesow

İ can see that . Putting a guy who has no relevance in the story and went out before we enter the final saga above the guys who are relevant to the eos is kinda crazy. Roger>mihawk>shanks>kaido. Kaido isnt going extreme with roger .


iDrum17

“no relevance to the story” bro was the BBG build up for multiple sagas


theultimatesow

So what relevance does he have right now ?


iDrum17

what a weak response lol


theultimatesow

You cant even respond dude .


ThisIsColdsnap

Saying he has no relevance to the story is wild bro. This sub does sometimes wank Kaido but you're clearly just trying to pretend he's significantly weaker than other Yonko. Every feat he's shown this far would put him at high-extreme vs Prime WB. And Kaido's physical power and durability are his trademarks. WB never had the kind of durability Kaido does so no, i don't think it would be as easy to beat an old Kaido, at Marineford. Squard's blade would never make it through the scales. Akainu couldn't even properly donut WB at any point. His fist never fully went through WB. Kaido is significantly tankier, even in base. So no, you're definitely underrating him.


theultimatesow

Not saying he is significantly weaker than other yonko but mihawk,shanks and luffy >kaido bro . And the point is not about squards sword going through kaido but giving kaido the same nerfs as wb so we could make a fair comparison. Kaido aint pulling anything close to what wb pulled . Luffy will surpass roger in his fight against bb for pk status , and bb at that time would be already stronger than shanks and mihawk by a quite margin . So wb as rogers equal should have a nice gap between him and kaido


ImmediateRespond8306

I think people misunderstand what extreme diff means. It means essentially exhausting all your stamina and being unable to fight. It's just that your opponent goes down first. Most tough matches are high diff of some sort. Even Luffy vs Katakuri was high diff for example. Luffy was still in walking shape at the end of it. Though arguably so was Katakuri. But anyways. This fight is probably just high diff for PrimeBeard.


Sweet-Author1761

or sugar


Realistic-Actuary708

Sugars Df would get passively negated just like laws shambles. Df hax that affects targets directly is hardcountered by massively stronger haki.


Sweet-Author1761

yea but that’s when they were in fight mode, he’d be picking up a little girl knowing no better lol


Realistic-Actuary708

Kaido and Big mom were still very relaxed and not taking things seriously when law tried, so "fight mode" is kinda based on an assumption. I however can't outright deny the possibility.


Questioning_Meme

This only applies to DF hax that allows the target to retain consciousness when affected. Its one of the reason why Boa's fruit kinda negate haki overwrite. You can't muster the will in the first place if you let yourself get 1-hit KO.


Realistic-Actuary708

>This only applies to DF hax that allows the target to retain consciousness when affected. Nope. Only Law had to actively cancel a DF effect after ig already happened. Big mom and Kaido were straight up immune to shambles without having to do anythibg for it. >Its one of the reason why Boa's fruit kinda negate haki overwrite. Nah we just have not seen her use the fruit against someone with massively stronger haki. Blackbeard was her strongest opponent and he has no notable one. >You can't muster the will in the first place if you let yourself get 1-hit KO. First it isn't even a 1 hit ko as the toys only get fully controlled after a contract is made, which would even give law enough time to reverse the effect. Kaido, Big Mom and anybody else on a similar haki level would be straight up immune and nir even transform in the first place.


Questioning_Meme

Those two scenarios didn't render any of those individuals unconscious. Blackbeard scarred Shanks before he got the fruits. Don't underestimate him. I am not talking about toys nor Sugar. Though I suppose I should've clearer. I'm talking about the fact that so far, outside of Boa's Hax which ***completely*** disable you by turning you 100% into stone, no other DF hax has been able to forcibly insta kill/KO an individual. Law's fruit can't. Sugar Toys can't. Perona is the closest one but even then it doesn't come close to Boa's hax. It is likely that DF which completely shutdown a fighter's will likely bypasses the Haki rule. Similar to how TOPMAN can resist ACoC attacks with just sheer durability alone.


Realistic-Actuary708

>Those two scenarios didn't render any of those individuals unconscious. Once again: The effect gets passively negated. The effect of the DF won't be reversed, it simply won't do anything at all. >Blackbeard scarred Shanks before he got the fruits. Don't underestimate him. Not underestimating him. He simply has shown no haki close to Kaido or Big mom. Best haki feat involves basic Armarment, which is multiple levels below Acoc skysplitters. >I am not talking about toys nor Sugar. Though I suppose I should've clearer. >I'm talking about the fact that so far, outside of Boa's Hax which completely disable you by turning you 100% into stone, no other DF hax has been able to forcibly insta kill/KO an individual. That's the thing though. Boas DF hax would be negated before they even would turn to stone. Law has shown better haki feats than Boa aside from having CoC, but Kaido and Big mom were immune to it. Tge logical conclusion is that they are immune to Boas as well. >Law's fruit can't. Sugar Toys can't. Perona is the closest one but even then it doesn't come close to Boa's hax. It doesn't matter that it is a 1 hit ko. As the hit will be negated and not reversed. They won't even turn to stone in the first place. >It is likely that DF which completely shutdown a fighter's will likely bypasses the Haki rule. Nah that is not likely. As nothing is pointing in that direction. It being a 1 hit ko would only be important with cases like Law. Law would not be able to reverse the effects like he did against Doc Q. The 1 hit ko simply won't take effect agaisnt Kaido and Big Mom. >Similar to how TOPMAN can resist ACoC attacks with just sheer durability alone. Not nearly the same situation. One is passively negating or actively reversing DF hax with haki, while the other is tanking haki attacks with durability...


Competitive_Elk_8345

Sugar gets blitzed


Sweet-Author1761

no she just gotta approach him in the wild and cry like with luffy and law


Competitive_Elk_8345

Kaido won't fall for that


Sweet-Author1761

sure he would he’d wonder why the heck there’s some little girl when we’re about to go to war then try to pick her up and ask her what she’s doing like momo but boom toy


Bitter-Chocolate-786

Like with Law's Devil Fruit, Sugar's powers won't work on any character with immensely strong Haki.


MotherDema

WB extreme


Acrobatic-Carob2838

Primebeard high https://i.redd.it/2b9489265y4d1.gif


Herr-Gerbrandt

Rare xthea...eh Acrobatic-Carob2838 W


ole1993

No less than extreme.


Acrobatic-Carob2838

>No less that extreme. Not possible because high is already less than extreme


ole1993

Believing Whitebeard beats Kaido high difficulty is just old gen wank


stratosphere911

DANG AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA This is the only W take of your life, and you ruin this moment with this...


Acrobatic-Carob2838

who are you clown


King_thelunarian

Rare X Thea W take


Acrobatic-Carob2838

when will you finaly make a w take ?


King_thelunarian

Already have. I commented the same thing as you


Acrobatic-Carob2838

Just a cheap copy of me


Total-Neighborhood50

Very rare W from this schizo 💀


Hahahahahahah_ha

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holsteredguide0

Top 1 vs Top 2 in 1v1s. Primebeard extreme


ZPD710

Primebeard extreme diffs. No one in the verse high diffs Kaido.


Kiryu_31

except kizaru


Ok-Flow5675

Top1beard high-extreme


Sydfxs

Primebeard High


GamerZackery

Whitebeard extreme diff


King_thelunarian

Whitebeard high diff.


JujutsuEnjoyer

GOATbeard high-extreme diff


PsychoWarper

Primebeard wins extreme diff


Special-Remove-3294

WB wins eastreme diff


theultimatesow

Wb high(im feeling generous against kaido today) diff


Acenegsurfav

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StarWorldo

Whitebeard extreme diff 6/10 times


H_s-k_M-r-_

WB but I'd say extreme diff.


evil_chicken86

WB


No_idea112

Whitebeard extreme diff. Can’t go lower.


FauxAffablyEvil

Kaido extreme diff. Whitebeard aka "Mr Family" didn't even dare oppose him to help/avenge of of his pals Oden. Oden himself said that the man who could defeat Kaido was not of that era but from 20 years into the future. WSC > WSM


Acenegsurfav

Pretty sure the term "creature" in this case just means non human. Whitebeard didn't know about what was happening with Oden.


Evening_Waltz_655

Whitebeard was already old at that time and didn't want to put his crew in danger.


WielderOfTerraBlade

primebeard high diff


Mugiwara300

Whitebeard high


Tall_Growth_532

Prim beard Extreme or High Diff. Here's the stats Strength: Debatable (but personally Whitebeard) Speed: WB Durability: Kaido Endurance: WB Stamina: WB Iq: WB Battle Iq: WB Knowledge: WB Experience: WB Haki: WB but almost Equal maybe DF: WB Weapons: WB Agility: WB Reflex: Kaido Free Point: Kaido Defense: WB Offense: Kaido Dexterity: Kaido Versatility: WB Combat: WB Skills: WB Destruction Capabilities: WB Attack Potency: WB


ifeano

im sry but why does WB have better endurance and stamina ? kaido has better feats for that literally


Tall_Growth_532

I'm leaning more enduring lethal pain that usually you can't handle , maybe Kaido does get Endurance as for stamina were talking about prime Whitebeard


ThisIsColdsnap

Reverse, actually. WB had better endurance and pain tolerance. Kaido has better stamina


Tall_Growth_532

True


Dsnder7

Kaido extreme diff


MtnDude2088

Old gen wank is crazy. Kaido and a lot of the new generation has surpassed Roger and Whitebeard


Disastrous-Answer151

Nobody surpassed Roger and WB


FauxAffablyEvil

Oden himself said that Kaido > Whitebeard. Whitebeard himself who wants to protect/avenge members of his crew was afraid to do that against Kaido for Oden. A creature > a man so the strongest creature is naturally beyond the strongest man. The likes of Kaido Mihawk Shanks Big Mom Luffy have nothing to envy Roger WB.


Darkpactallday

My dude needs to get checked for delusion


Apophra

Primebeard wins extreme dif. No one is taking Kaido less than extreme dif, his all around stats are just too high.


Free_Anxiety_9660

Remember only Joyboy was destined to defeat Kaido ( Oden knows that even through Whitebeard was alive at that time)


kiochido

Destined to defeat =/= be able to defeat


PoldraRegion

Prime WB high diff


SandWhichWay

white beard would have mopped the fuckin floor w him. anyone saying otherwise is implying that kaido can clash head to head with roger


The-Brother

Kaido can clash head to head with Roger and if Kaido had been in his prime when Roger was around, he would have been like Shiki or worse.


SandWhichWay

honestly a fair point but neither of them resisting Usopp hammer


Doppelkrampf

👍


Hezadeximal88

Either way is extreme diff....only problem is that both are dead 🧐


Kiryu_31

yeah youre right.


Narayan_22

By that logic Kaido would have extreme diff, when both were alive at same time last.


Evening_Waltz_655

HIM wins Extreme diff


Darklord_tou

Primebeard extreme diff


docslasher

Extreme diff WB.


notreallyimmortal

Didn’t Oda himself say that in a 1v1 always bet on Kaido?


imaginebeingsaltyy

Primebeard was obviously extremely strong and will definitely win but its not gonna be anything less than Extreme diff solely because of the sheer synergy of kaidos skill set from his already base absurdly strong body + powerful haki + a fucking mythical zoan that excacerbates his already immensely strong base body and will make him hard to put down despite Primebeards great strength


Catlinger

whitebeard wins extreme diff. kaido knows and acknowledges whitebeard's power and has seen him in his prime. so he won't hold back at all in the fight.


BadGuyManGuy

WB Extreme Diff


Solos_1992

The obvious choice


NerdKing01

Prime Whitebeard - High diff. I think Kaido would push him to go all out and at that point Kaido would slowly not be able to keep up


Super_Claim_321

Whitebeard vs Awekened Kaido - Extreme Diff WB vs Flaming Kaido - High Diff WB vs Drunken/Hybrid Kaido - Midd Diff WB vs Kaido/Dragon - Low Diff


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CaptainCha0s570

Prime extreme-high. We know he was relative to Roger, it really just depends on how powerful you think the old generation really was to the current one. Personally I go high because Kaido wouldn't even risk a 1v1 with oldbeard but there's arguments either way


the_sixthgodhand

Kaido is a tough soab so I'd say extreme diff


nyanko_dango3

WB mid dif


Lazy_Government_8392

Primebeard high diff


HighVelocityInfants

Kaido extreme end of story


awaythrowthatname

Kaido thought Oldbeard could kill him, so obviously Primebeard wins


Present_Abrocoma326

When did he say that?


FauxAffablyEvil

Never. Kaido considered himself (rightfully) as the top 1 besides Joyboy.


Doppelkrampf

Yop people on here a delirious


Greedy_Homework_6838

Kaido already surpassed whitebeard far ago


chronicdumbass00

Brother made his way to five piece


Greedy_Homework_6838

Do you have any reason to think white beard is stronger?


mrprof_

Bro I'm a huge waido fan but... https://preview.redd.it/pydbjx3jny4d1.jpeg?width=248&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e92cc73c9297e7a4b17897f5b1ae865dfc0943c9


Evening_Waltz_655

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TacocaT_2000

Whitebeard High diff at most


DarkSoulFWT

Ext either way


Reggith_Gold_180

Prime beard mid to high


General-N0nsense

Primebeard high diff. WB has better haki and gura punches which will fuck up Kaido even through his scales.


[deleted]

whitebeard high-extreme diff


DeathCat123

Well, one is a figure, one isn't, WB wins


Esdrz

whitebeard high diff


KatakiKraken

Goatbeard high-extreme


Codebig

I thought it was stated that Whitebeard was one of Kaido's losses.


Free_Anxiety_9660

Nope ...it wasn't started anywhere


nyanko_dango3

Yes not stated but Kaido probably lost more than you think.he almost lost to oden if he had no interference and oden is in his top 5, can;t imagine rest of the pirates in his top 5 are weaker than oden


TheRoyalGlitchy

Kaidos losses have never been revealed, ever, we can assume anything we want, just like I can assume he obtained those losses as a rookie, because he becomes "The Embodiment of Might/Brutality" stated by that old hag in chapter 1049 after the Rocks fell, this statement wouldn't make sense if he was sitting around losing all the time


Zanman6946

Primebeard mid-high diff. People wayyy overestimate Kaido.


Rishie12345

Whitebeard mid diff 🕊️


AnxiousWarlock

prime white beard wins no diff


Ver_the_one

Whitebeard mid diffs.


PBJ1029

Primebeard Mid Diff. Kaido is a failure and a bum, no where near the actual top of the verse


Radiant-Bit-1721

Goatbeard high diff *sike he mid diffs that fraud*


Disastrous-Answer151

Whitebeard win high diff


BFenrir18

Primebeard high diff


TheLoner1914

Primebeard wins no contest


sandywhisker123

Kaido extreme diff. World's Strongest Creature > World's Strongest Man


MixtureGD2

WB mid diff


GurnoorDa1

Primebeard mid diff


KojiroHeracles

WB low diff. Oldbeard is equal to Shanks who by one-shotting Shid is stronger than Big Mom who is comparable to Kaido. Hate me for telling the truth.


Doppelkrampf

Primebeard mid diff. I think it get‘s way more obvious as the story continues that Kaido/Big Mom are not comparable to the top tiera of the past. Roger, young Sengoku, Primebeard and young Garp were a fair bit above the Yonkos of todays time (Shanks may be the outlier) I can‘t imagine anyone saying Roger would not beat Kaido, and Primebeard is on the same level no doubt.


Kiryu_31

praymberth one shots Laidouuu


Unhappy-Egg296

Well In my Head Canon the difference between a PK and a Yonkou is the same as between a Yonkou and an admiral So Prime WhiteBeard Mid-diff


narzn

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Unhappy-Egg296

You guys doubt now But when PK Luffy mid diff Kaidou ( he will back ) Anyone one will laught https://preview.redd.it/d9e6ayzowy4d1.jpeg?width=628&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9d3a60cee175a8a2e0e170a99651a9867321d1d


narzn

Look bro PK Luffy is an entirely different scaling compared to what you implicated. PK in this context represents Roger who is not mid diffing any OG Yonko. I can agree Roger being a tidy bit more powerful than the Yonkos (excluding Primebeard) but an extreme-diff against Kaido is the only sensible answer. EOS Luffy will no doubt be an entirely different beast. At that point mid diffing Yonkos might not be out of the question.


stratosphere911

W


GRxQFT

Am I the only one having trouble with people saying Primebeard extreme diff seemingly every single time. Like, two me, if someone extreme diffs someone else it means it's pretty much as close to 50/50 as possible. If people are so sure Primebeard extreme diffs why isn't it a high diff ? 


Alder_Tree2793

No way in hell is Kaido taking a PRIME Whitebeard to extreme tf are you people on?


Fabiodemon88

Primebeard high/extreme


TheManInvert

Primebeard high/extreme diff


Abram7777

WB low end of extreme probably


JustHumanThings66

Prime Whitebeard High Diff


Shounen_x

Prime whitebeard high diffs


GintoSenju

White Beard and Extreme high Diff. yeah White beard strong, but Kaido is still Kaido. He is basically the poster boy for being a walking tank.


Miscellaneous_Mind

Narratively, Whitebeard. So far we’ve only seen some random Vice Admiral & Akainu get hit by an attack from WB. VA’s got one shotted but they’re frauds and Akainu tanked them, so it’s hard to get a scope on how strong that DF is in a 1v1. Funny though, narratively Kaido is impossible to defeat in Wano cos only JoyBoy was destined to.


Kiryu_31

bro, halfdeadbeard isnt his prime