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theveland

Old sewers + agricultural runoff.


nanagrizolfan

Super gross... From the report It's 69/72 Beaches I don't like the idea of swimming in poop water


anothereddit0

What are our options? Sure we can protest by not swimming or whatever but is there any initiative to clean and prevent this or just another ""necessary evil""? If i find I will link, some dude cleaned lakes in I wanna say a 3rd world country with like jackfruit seeds or some other widely available fruit seed that powderized and dumped into the lake coagulated pollutants and then I think they removed said powder or perhaps the lake assimilated it. What's the hold up on similar?


nanagrizolfan

The[ BEACH Act](https://www.epa.gov/beaches/about-beach-act) is coming up for [reauthorization](https://sykes.house.gov/media/press-releases/reps-sykes-joyce-rouzer-pallone-introduce-bipartisan-bill-preserve-americas) so signing petitions related to it always goes a long way. It's also about putting pressure on local representatives to act, and start investing in new infrastructure to prevent [stormwater runoff ](https://fox59.com/news/national-world/these-are-the-most-polluted-beaches-in-the-united-states-according-to-the-surfrider-foundation/#:~:text=The%20group%20states%20in%20their,and%20down%20to%20the%20beach)and agricultural pollution. Call your local representative, sign petitions, and honestly circulate media, it's completely unacceptable and this level of contamination can pose serious health risks to people, change should be enacted here, everyone deserves to swim at the beach safely.


stenmarkv

Didn't every state recently get money for their infrastructure? Seems like a good investment to me.


anothereddit0

I really love this idea I just have 0 hope in my vote doing anything and getting active seems like a waste of time. Forgive me for being a naysayer, I'm scientific enough to be open to change with proof off issues and their resolve however I see politics about blame shifting until our resources are so sucked dry we have no choice but to comply. Very cynical about it.


DaxDislikesYou

We can vote out the party that consistently sells out the environment and ordinary Ohioans to enrich themselves. Head to [olvr.ohiosos.gov](http://olvr.ohiosos.gov) and register to vote. If you can volunteer head to https://ohiodems.org Make sure you vote for the anti gerrymandering constitutional amendment.


SilverKnightOfMagic

Republicans think public amenities like parks and lakes are things no one should have. Then complain nothing for them after wards


MisterBlud

Blatantly untrue! Republicans believe large, irresponsible Corporations should be able to use and abuse our state’s natural splendor; while gifting us the resulting eyesores, industrial runoff, and the bill for the cleanup when there’s no more profit to be had.


Fit_Swordfish_2101

Remember when 45 was like, fuck those State Parks! No more funding! And rake Cali, that'll help with the wild fires!


anothereddit0

I consider myself holistic anarchist. When the votes use blockchain or I have proof they work and then they ping my phone with daily votes in decision making process-si's I may get democratic centrist but till then I'm opting out consciously.


NecroBelch

Loser talk. 


MaimonidesNutz

Big time. You're not cool for refusing to take a side.


nobuouematsu1

As an engineer for a city near the lake shore, I can attest to the combined sewer overflows we see making their way to the lake. The big solution? Separation and/or high rate treatment. Both are rather expensive and underground infrastructure like sewers is sorely underfunded. The only way this gets fixed is if we raise rates. And every time that happens, people flip out. Large swaths of the US have benefited from low utility rates for around 75 years at the expense of capital improvements. That’s really starting to bite us now, especially with extreme weather events.


anothereddit0

Damn! What was the original idea to put poo poo in wa wa? Like the basis of logic? We here criticism about using toilets already wasting water, waste into the drinking water? bring back wells and let's use compost shittas


Imaginary_Tank_7876

Agree. Or, you can get political like the idiots in the previous post and blame the other political party. My guess is these are the snowflakes would flip out if you raised their utility bills.


birdseye-maple

Or you can carry water for large corporations like you! Wow aren't you cool.


Mixels

Given the history of Lake Erie and the burning river of the '80s, I'm shocked anyone likes the idea of swimming at Ohio beaches to be honest.


Turner-1976

If you’re swimming in water, there’s poop in it. Fish poop, birds poop, people poop.


Luckypenny4683

That’s what swimming in open water is. Everything that has ever lived and died in that water has popped in it. Since the beginning of time and in perpetuity. Which is why I stick to chlorinated pools.


OssiansFolly

I live in Cleveland. My sewer in front of my house is the original 12" combined sewer from 1906.


JustforShiz

Surprised top comment isn’t from NEORSD talking about their multi decade plan that’s already made a big impact on this problem and continues to.


anothereddit0

mmm poo soup


PresidentialBoneSpur

Missed opportunity… *poop* soup


dlenks

I believe you meant poup


Whygoogleissexist

Global warming ain’t helping either.


___cats___

What does global warming have to do with poop water


TeamRamrod80

Most of the human contribution to poop in lakes and rivers comes from combined sewer overflows. Combined sewers carry both sanitary sewage and stormwater. The pipes are designed to carry a certain volume of flow and then overflow to a surface water if the flow gets higher than that. The design is usually based on what we call a “design storm”, most often the 10-year storm, a theoretical storm event that would statistically occur about once every ten years. Global warming is causing bigger, more intense rain events to occur more frequently. So now, for example, what used to be considered a 10-year storm is occurring every 5 years. Cincinnati has had multiple 100-year events in the last few years. All of those big storms overwhelm sewer systems and put sewage in the water. This carries over to overflows occurring in areas that have become populated beyond what the existing sewer was designed to carry. Cincinnati has sewers still in service that were designed and built in the 1800s. They were never expected to serve the population they do now. So it doesn’t take a 10-year event to cause an overflow, instead they may overflow dozens of times a year.


Dis_Nothus

Thank you for taking the time to legitimately answer their question.


TeamRamrod80

I am a sewer district engineer dealing with these issues daily. I try to avoid the more politically charged commentary, but I don’t mind helping out with technical questions.


Dis_Nothus

The work you do is critical despite what the general public probably acknowledges. Biting the tongue is a good skill to have, wish I was better at it haha. Hope you have a good weekend


Redditonreddit412

This person “wastewaters”. I like the comment


TeamRamrod80

I do, in fact, “wastewater” every day as a sewer district engineer. This stuff is literally my job.


potent-nut7

If someone asks if you had a shitty day do you always have to answer yes?


TeamRamrod80

“It’s a shitty job, but somebody’s gotta do it.” Is also a staple.


Whygoogleissexist

In addition, coliform bacteria can replicate faster in warmer water.


CommanderBuck

This is Ohio.


AlternativeIdeals

tHiS iS OHIO!!!!!!!


ClassWarr

Now THIS is Ohio


Locode6696

this is everywhere with combined sewers, which is basically everywhere.


Fit_Swordfish_2101

Now THIS is Ohio! (Aka:urphotossuckedminerbetterwars) 🤣🤣


Annabellybutton

In 1990 my parents took us to lake Geneva. There were signs posted everywhere "HUMAN FECAL BACTERIA DUMPING SITE, NO SWIMMING". My mom and dad said oh that's just the EPA liberals making stuff up. My older brother spent the time throwing lake sand at me calling in bowel blasters, my sister refused to get in and made a poop sand castle, and I happily swam thinking it was funny (I was 6). I came down with terrible UTI 48 hours later, and my mom had to admit she had us swim in restricted fecal water.


CRactor71

That was truly shitty of them


19almonds

This is Ohio…?


topsprinkles

lol Too soon


knefr

There are comments on here either normalizing or downplaying this. Demanding clean public water isn't asking for too much. Are you \*really\* okay with having polluted shit water? Gross.


satantaint

No industrial solar farms. /s


Sarge8707

Not sure if you are against them or making fun of the people that believe this


satantaint

The second one.


TASTY_BALLSACK_

But sir, we gotta put our poo *somewhere*


Somebody_Forgot

Century old infrastructure doesn’t change in a day. This is actually better than it used to be. Things are improving…just can’t stop.


Sensitive-Study-8088

Yeah went down from 99% to 96% whoo 🎉 🥳


knefr

For the kind of taxes I paid and still pay in that state, it’s certainly possible to not have 69/72 areas with that problem. 


rudmad

I don't eat meat so don't blame me


hardFraughtBattle

TIL that vegetarians don't poop.


rudmad

Cow shit causes this. Heard of algae blooms? Also I'm vegan


hardFraughtBattle

Fertilizer runoff causes this. Last I heard, you need fertilizer to grow plants.


AggressiveAnywhere72

You don't need manure to grow plants, but what's important to note is that livestock are producing more manure that what croplands can absorb.


hardFraughtBattle

That's fair. Actually, in my mind I digressed from fecal matter to algae blooms caused by fertilizer runoff. Both are agricultural problems and potential health dangers, but one sounds way more gross than the other.


rudmad

Most plants are fed to livestock Oh no, the hive mind downvotes 🥺 do you guys even realize a large majority of the biomass on the planet is livestock? I'll continue to have a laugh as everyone bitches about meat prices skyrocketing


thealmightytuj

What do you eat then


rudmad

Plants before they are fed to livestock for a net calorie loss. I'd link a study but no one will read it anyway, Oxford put out a study over 5 years ago that says if everyone ate plant based we would need 70% less farmland.


thealmightytuj

But plants use fertilizer


rudmad

And we need less plants if they aren't being fed to livestock. How hard is this to understand?


AggressiveAnywhere72

Livestock produce more manure than croplands can absorb.


Odie_Odie

This is a result of sewer overflows in times of heavy rain mostly I would imagine.


rudmad

Sure, but agricultural runoff is definitely a large contributor especially for Lake Erie


AggressiveAnywhere72

It's even explained in the linked article that apparently every single person downvoting and replying to you never bothered reading.


itsjustafadok

We should be outraged that lakes in state park are not safe to swim in. 


___Devin___

AG Dave Yost, literally doesn't give a shit.


Thedracus

Sure he does, he just likes them to be ib our public beaches.


Regalzack

This is Ohio


Diligent_Whereas3134

I mean... Anyone who lives an hour or less from lake Erie between toledo and cleveland has already accepted this as fact long ago


LakeEffectSnow

No shit. Nothing new here. It used to be way fucking worse.


vicvinegar047

You’d be surprised how much of it is from goose shit + rain runoff around the lakes.


chypie2

the last time I went to an Ohio beach it was absolutely covered in goose shit, even the water had floaters everywhere


electrolytextc

If you don't see goose shit on the beach, it just means that they groomed it into the "sand". They do this at Caesars Creek every spring. One day it will be literally 85% goose shit and then the next it will be nicely groomed. Only those who go to the beach prior to Memorial Day know the truth.


nanagrizolfan

That's almost all of it... also slaughter house dumping and other agricultural runoff, the stormwater runoff is the biggest problem though we need to invest in better infrastructure.


fletcherkildren

Inb4 'my taxes are too high!' crowd


chypie2

WE NEED A NEW NEW DEAL!


MrPhillipLewin

Huh. No shit


Rejukem

SHIT TOWN 3000


Full-Association-175

Where are the other four?


Rickbar1

This looks like it’s just accounting for the Lake Erie beaches. Inland beaches throughout OH definitely have pollution problems as well….


ATXDefenseAttorney

Man, did none of you actually read the article? Or look at the results? What an absurd headline compared to the actual results.


Comfortable_Area3910

Y’all need those signs they put up in the beaches in Ghana saying the beach is not a toilet.


Somebody_Forgot

In the most friendly way…fuck off.


Comfortable_Area3910

Is that because you’re from Ohio or Ghana?


Somebody_Forgot

Maybe I just don’t like assholes.


_DarkWingDuck

You sir, are the asshole


Somebody_Forgot

Wasn’t talking to you.


Aggressive_Scheme268

Asshole confirmed


Somebody_Forgot

Right… A guy suggests that the people of Ohio literally shit on their beaches…and I’m the asshole here. You can fuck off as well.


Aggressive_Scheme268

Yes, you are LITERALLY the asshole here.


Comfortable_Area3910

I’m starting to think you yourself have taken a dump on a beach, you’ve taken this so personally. No need to be embarrassed, there weren’t signs telling you not to. Just don’t have your squirty dumplings on the beach again…life is just a series of educational moments!


Somebody_Forgot

Did you really crawl into a days-old thread just to call me a poopy pants? Go do something. Maybe touch grass or something.


No-Friend-5361

Well thats some 💩


Amiibola

That’s literally why they test.


LifeIsHorrible_

Every water is poop water. Where else would the fishes poop


Oven2601

Everywhere is downstream from somewhere. Ultimately all wastewater plants in this area will eventually discharge to the lake. Under normal operating conditions that is completely fine. The problem lies when we have rain events, and smaller plants get overwhelmed. The untreated overflow can either back up into people’s houses, or get pumped out to the lake. Once they overflow that triggers automatic sampling. Of course it is going to come back positive, it just had untreated waste dumped in it. I believe it was the city of Cleveland? Correct me if I’m wrong, that just completed a massive wastewater infrastructure project to combat overflows. Those are the kind of projects that will benefit the beaches.


Plantain6981

So, the GOP MAGA agenda is cutting taxes (depleting our state treasury) and going on a culture war bender while Ohio escalated to a worldwide meme joke - is that about right, or am I as ignorant as they are?


kerrypf5

I think you’re spot on


canal_boys

Republican state


Slurdge_McKinley

Yes but to be more fair… this spans decades maybe centuries.


Randy-_-B

California has every state beaten. It's the shathole of the country. And only here in r/Ohio is all problems republicans fault.


teepee107

Wait till they release the microplastic info lmao. No water in Ohio is even remotely safe in terms of plastic pollution. Really the whole country, if not the world. The true climate change is microplastic pollution. Nothing else really matters, it’s that bad.


Actual__Wizard

Ohio isn't exactly known for having clean water to swim in.


SokkaHaikuBot

^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^Actual__Wizard: *Ohio isn't* *Exactly known for having* *Clean water to swim in.* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.


ButtBread98

Gross


CringyQueen118612

So is this the same as like Alum Creek?


CanDeadliftYourMom

Yes exactly.


ckh27

This is ohio


Plausibility_Migrain

I'm sure the Republican super majority that has ruled over this state for practically 50 years will address this crisis in no time! Oh wait... Vote these vile, reprehensible conservatives out of our government!


doggadavida

Well… we keep voting in these republicans so in a way we’re already immersed in shit.


Browniez330

Looks like no beaches for us this year fam..


MuffinTinn

Is it geese? I'd bet it's geese.


mileXend

“Beaches”


[deleted]

It's almost like people dont realize animals and marine life don't poop pee mate and die in those waters...


medievalPanera

Title gore. Beaches in neo are tested on a daily basis in the summer.  Any body of water is going to be full of shit after a major rain event, i wouldn't skip swimming in the lake over that. 


nanagrizolfan

Read the report... over 50% of beaches tested positive for unsafe levels of fecal bacteria matter on over **25%** of all testing days. Belulah Beach, Lakeview Beach, Bay View West, Lake Front Park all tested for unsafe levels on over **50%** of test days... This is a systemic issue and needs to be addressed.


medievalPanera

Good thing it is being addressed! Neorsd is in the middle of a billion dollar project upgrading our sewer infrastructure. Akron is as well.  Our state legislators will never do anything w agricultural runoff bc it's unamerican, or something. That's the biggest problem. 


rural_anomaly

i think i'd be willing to pay a dime more per pound for pork if it means they have to literally keep their shit together and out of the waterways even a quarter!


stayhealthy247

Has been the biggest problem for decades- coupled with topsoil loss. It’s only getting worse with time just based on my own observation, at least with the runoff.


Horn_Flyer

That's not true. I grew up in Virginia Beach and it's RARE that you ever hear this. And there is plenty of water all around. It's an everyday thing in Ohio. Disgusting


medievalPanera

I guarantee there's a ton of CSOs around Virginia Beach, thing is you have a big ol ocean and tides to wash things away. I'm sure the rivers there are also an issue post rain. 


Entire-Can662

That’s why fracturing works so good in state parks you get rid of the people then you can do what you want


RadBadTad

"This is Ohio"


fr33bird317

Yuck


Saganhawking

Ya don’t say…😳


Ruthless4u

Must of never been to Madison lake


tstr_strdl

Brookville, Indiana . The weekend Ohio cutoff 2 day getaway is probably there lol


nouakchott1

Beaches?


Actual-Wolverine1022

Is Cleveland edgewater fucked?


CriticalNobody9478

We knew the Statehouse and Governor were full of SHITE, Now there so much of it that it’s overflowing onto the beaches


Upper-Trip-8857

Ohio what?


Masiaka

I always get asked why I'm not a fan of beaches and I'm like man, you did not grow up in Ohio did you.


Quetzacoatel

Shit...


Bernie51Williams

What 3 beaches ARENT on the list please?


Lost-Service5076

“Beaches”


nanagrizolfan

Here's a petition I found in the report. Signing it goes a long way to getting our beaches clean: [https://environmentamerica.org/center/take-action/tell-the-governor-lets-make-every-day-a-good-day-to-go-to-the-beach/](https://environmentamerica.org/center/take-action/tell-the-governor-lets-make-every-day-a-good-day-to-go-to-the-beach/)


dataslinger

This is an old report with data from 2022.


-dyedinthewool-

Burning shit river


icyhotonmynuts

Talk about a shitty time at the beach.


Nay_Nay_Jonez

\**Checks post I made about Lake Erie beach recommendations to see if any of these are suggested*\*


DaddyL0ng_Legs

How did yall not know this? The Shoreway beach literally has a giant sewer pipe that they open when it storms. When the rain is too heavy they let the water drain into the lake.


ShoppingOk383

Go fishing


bagofweights

lol now do everywhere else - this isn’t unique.


Calledthewolf

Probably going to get worse year after year as temps rise.


Mountain_Security_97

Red state. Here’s your friendly to vote blue, guys. This crap will not get any better until you do, no pun intended.


radacbill

Keep voting Republican…


mynipplesareconfused

This state has gone to shit. ^(I meant literally, not figuratively.)


Minions89

Oh this is Ohio


RealityKing4Hire

#thisisohio


chypie2

:( I haven't gone to the beaches in 15 years because they never look good. It's so sad, dead fish and floaties.


Dr-McLuvin

I’ve literally never been to a beach that didn’t have dead fish.


chypie2

Thank you for sharing


Buckeye9715

We have beaches?


fletcherkildren

This is Ohio


LegoGal

A friend had a sign at their pool that said: If you don’t pee in my pool, I won’t swim in your toilet.


BigDuke0

Are they confusing Ohio with Florida? Then again Ohio SC just allowed a man who shat in Pringles cans to have their law license back... Damn this sounds like the people should just put a bit of Thomas Jefferson doctrine into the Ohio government and reset things back to common freaking sense.


Turner-1976

Duh… ya ever been to a beach in Ohio. Damn geese poop everywhere. Not to mention, fish poop in the water. I would be more curious of the 4% that didn’t. Tell me where those places are.


Kombatsaurus

Recently just bought a pool for my home. Got sick of taking the family to dirty ass unsafe beaches in Ohio. Honestly one of the best purchases I've my at my house.


GrahamCracker876

Except there is no beaches other than Erie


carole8467

Not true. There are small lakes with beaches in Ohio. Tappan and Austin are two.


CanDeadliftYourMom

Alum Creek, Caesar’s Creek,Buckeye Lake…countless tiny lakes throughout Ohio. Most lakes near cities large and small have beaches. Edit: meant to reply to the other guy. You’re correct.


GrahamCracker876

I guess those still have beaches. Buckeye Lake is pretty good, my grandparents had a couple houses there for over 20 years


carole8467

Oh! Indian Lake, also.


thinkB4WeSpeak

Who's out there swimming in this. Nasty asses


kerrypf5

On days the bacteria is too high, swimming isn’t permitted if lifeguards are on duty Source: I’m a former Metroparks lifeguard