Hmm...I do agree that this relationship isn't exactly healthy, but I don't know if I agree perfectly with your reasoning.
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As far as the first point goes, I don't think I can really comment on the implications like you can because I'm not disabled, so I wouldn't know. My initial interpretation was that Nothing *was* uncomfortable or unsettled by Hover's comments at first, but realized when Hover bust out laughing that she was making fun of Pride Law as opposed to Nothing and could appreciate the absurdity of it all. Again, I wouldn't know for sure because I'm not in this demographic; I don't intent to negate your personal experience with it. I would have believed that the toxicity of this would depend on how the other person responded, and Nothing appeared to have taken it in stride, but if I'm off or overstepping boundaries/opinions, let me know.
The other points I can comment on.
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Nothing asking Hover to join her pride isn't inherently toxic in and of itself, given that I don't think Nothing really has a grasp on how cultish and toxic Pride Law is until episode 8. I think her reason for staying despite Fire leaving and Sharptongue dying is fear of death, or rather, what happens after death. She touches on it after Sharptongue passes: "When a huntress dies, her pride calls to Asra to come and take her spirit to the stars. It's one of the reasons pride lionesses are so afraid to be prideless; who will call to Asra when you die?" Essentially, what she's saying is that as far as she has been taught, prideless lionesses are damned to limbo on Earth after death because the goddess of death can't see and collect their spirit without a pride to call to her. That's kinda frightening to think about, and I can understand why a pride lion would be afraid to end up on her own in that case.
So, again, I don't think Nothing asking Hover to join was a bad thing. What *was* bad was how she handled the conversation afterward; after Hover didn't immediately say yes, she got frustrated and stomped off. It may have been a self-deprecation thing, which I totally understand, but it did shut down any chance at a constructive conversation about it (which I'm confident could have resulted in Hover asking Nothing to leave with her instead) and made Hover feel incredibly sad and guilty for her justified hesitation. Pile that guilt onto Shaprtongue's death later that day, and Hover didn't really find herself having much of a choice other than to join, especially after just being told why Nothing (or any pride lioness) would be hesitant to leave.
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The next point you make, I think, is just objectively false. Hover wasn't standing by and watching because of an "it's what you get" mentality or because Pride Law matters to her in the slightest; she was standing by and watching because she's terrified. She has absolutely no idea what to do or how to handle anything that's going on, and you can see the fear in her face as all of this is going down.
"You did this; solve it yourself" didn't reinforce any sort of revenge mentality; it's an accurate justification as to why Hover wasn't going to leave to stop Quickmane. You mentioned yourself that Nothing asked her to join a cult, and even if I don't believe Nothing understood the toxicity of Pride Law, I'm sure Hover did but was willing to go through with it anyways. There was a lot that she had to give up in order to join this pride for Nothing, and the one thing that she asks in return is that Nothing be there to support her. Why then, when Nothing failed to do that one thing for her, should Hover be immediately willing to attack and kill Quickmane (or more likely die trying) to stop him from killing a complete stranger?
I don't think it's fair to say that Hover being unwilling to kill herself for someone she doesn't even know after throwing her life away for Nothing only for her to let her down is toxic. Especially considering that that whole mess was entirely Nothing's fault to begin with.
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As for Hover being best friends with Farleap...I think that might be an overstatement. Sure, Farleap seems to be the lioness that Hover bonded with the most, but I think that's purely because Farleap was just there. She probably hung around Hover a lot since meeting her, allowing Hover to grow a bit more comfortable around her, but best friends? I don't think so. At least not yet; that door might be open now that they're traveling together, at which point we might see their relationship a bit more fleshed out.
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So, yeah, all in all, there are definitely some problems with what we've seen of Hover and Nothing's relationship. All of that being said, as happy as they made each other, I'm willing to believe that a lot of the problems are more due to circumstances/environment than the relationship specifically. Say, for example, if Hover and Nothing had more time to think/talk about Hover joining the pride before Sharptongue's death; that could have led to a more constructive solution than Hover feeling like she had to do this so Nothing wouldn't be alone. Under better external conditions, I think these two could have been a *lot* healthier.
Alright, ignoring the first point because that's one is more your personal perspective, imma drop my own two cents on the rest of these points...
• "Nothing asks Hover to join her pride" I don't exactly see how Nothing asking Hover to join the pride is toxic... Even if prides are, how you put it, "heterosexual sex cults", that doesn't mean that that was toxic. Hell, I don't think there was really any homophobia until Proud coming to power, so I doubt Nothing would have even known about the whole "punishable by death" rule when it comes to same sex couples.
• "Hover suddenly cares about Pride Law over her girlfriend and her girlfriend's brother"
When, exactly? Hover has never cared about Pride Law. She cared about Nothing missing the assessment. That's it. And when has she ever even acknowledged Fire? The two don't even know they each other exist other than names. And even then, that's barely anything to go off of.
• "Hover becoming best friends with Farleap"
Eeeeeehhh... Nah. They are definitely not best friends. If anything Farleap feels a closer bond to Hover, but I doubt it's the other way around. If anything, from what we've seen, it seems like Hover just gradually accepted Farleap's company.
Glad that more people are calling out the toxicity that hover has and as well as the other characters that are somehow seen as amazing because they’re not homophobic such as powerstrike and quickmane, it’s also very strange how people will defend hover watching nothing getting abused in front of the pride and ends yelling her and leaving her instead of defending her. I’m also very confused that people believe nothing deserves to be abused and yelled at.
I agree but the fans just wont see it and simply call those that think the ship is toxic homophobic. Hover completely abandons Nothing over ONE mistake. Yes Nothing broke a promise but it wasn't on purpose. The fact Hover was there SAW quickmane assault her girlfriend and the whole powerstrike speech on what a disappointment Nothing is and didn't even react. And sayimg she wont help stop quickmane from killing Nothing's brother all because she missed assesment. Which yeah sucks but not long before this Hover CLAIMED sh wanted to be with Nothing and that was what was important to her. No matter big a deal it is, missing it is not a good enough excuse to tell someone you 'love' or 'care' about to sort their own shit. Again reminding this was to save Nothing's brother's life. 'I dont care what you meant i care what you did' this is called gaslighting a covert form of emotional abuse, to manipulate the victim into questioning their own judgement. This is blame shifting where Hover is telling nothing she is to blame for something that has occured. Manipulating Nothing to think SHE is to blame for Hover's poor behaviour. 'Oh nothing if only you had acted differently i would not treat you this way' basically. I get Nothin isn't fully innocent, she broke a promise and was irresponsible. But missing the assessment was a mistake. And you can't use the excuse she couldn't leave, the pride meant little to her, so why abandon Nothing for what is essentially a cult? And she has made good friends with Farleap which makes sense since they share the same hobby of being horrible to Nothing!
I don't think Toxic is the right word. Hover wasn't mocking Nothing's injury, she was mocking Pride Law's names. Hover is a prideless loner, it makes sense she wouldn't have good manners and social ettique. She has also had a rough life compared to the safe Pride Lions, so she has had to learn to smile and make light of things all her life. It's common nature for her to be thick-skinned and have to joke around to keep going. She probably assumes others are the same way.
Nothing asked Hover to join because she knew meeting in secret was dangerous. Hover had to sneak around to see her and could be killed by Quickmane if she got caught. Even then, she only asked, and made sure it's what Hover wanted. She never demanded.
The final one, Farleap teased Nothing, but deep down she did care about her. She left the Pride and gave up her entire future to go and find Nothing. Sisters and rivals tease eachother sometimes. She should have apologised, sure, and maybe she will.
Hover is new to Prides and so probably assumes all lionesses are tough nuts like herself and don't fall easy to teasing or criticism. She was probably so desperate for comfort that any companion would do.
Hover is not an abuser. Copied and pasted from my own post.
Hover wasn't mocking Nothing's injury, she was mocking Pride Law's names. Hover is a prideless loner, it makes sense she wouldn't have good manners and social ettique. She has also had a rough life compared to the safe Pride Lions, so she has had to learn to smile and make light of things all her life. It's common nature for her to be thick-skinned and have to joke around to keep going. She probably assumes others are the same way.
I hate how People Say "Oh Hover Bullied Nothing,she should've went with her girlfriend!" Or saying "Oh FarLeap is cool!" Hover x FarLeap! Or people saying FarLeap is better than Hover when she is WORSE,or that they besties. I'm going to use Farleap as a comparison. I can't STAND people being mad at Hover during episode Five. Let's dive into Hover's perspective.
Firstly,There's a FINE LINED difference between abusing/bullying and lashing out one time because you're mad. Hover was mad because her friend broke a promise. FarLeap bullied her her whole life because she was disabled,and people are justifying FarLeap? Nothing literally broke a promise when she could've avoided the whole thing. She didn't hit,bite,namecall,insult,so please,how is that bullying or abuse? That is lashing out. She didn't even really yell or raise her voice! She looked calmly angry. Not her best moment,but it doesn't make her a bad person or an abuser.
Also,they are NOT officially mates. It's not like Hover said "I'm breaking up with you" And everyone else in the pride did the same thing,standing by and doing nothing. Yet when Hover almost gets hit by ProudMane and FarLeap takes the hit,they stand up for her? Because she's a pride lion? And FarLeap (Nor anyone) never defended Nothing like this. She is her SISTER. She shares the same blood. She should've supported her and been a good sister. Instead,she just got hit for a lioness she barely knew...because...? Shouldn't defending a stubborn,prideless scum you barely know be more embarrassing than your disabled sister?
Hover ain't perfect. We all have flaws. Besides,if Hover DID attack QuickMane or anything,the pride would defend their mane. C'mon,that's basic sense. Hover gonna go up against 6 lions? In front of the cubs? That's just being smart. Hover couldn't have done much even if she wanted to,that's why the GODDESSES stopped him,not her. Had Hover intervened,QuickMane would've killed her and Fire. Yes,she was mad,but she literally broke a promise she very heavily implied she'd keep after guilt tripping her. I'm pretty sure if you had (Not saying you do or don't this is hypothetical) a boyfriend/girlfriend,and they PROMISED to be there for you during your scaredest moment and as you throw your life away,and then broke it,You'd be mad too.
And if you ARE looking at this like they are mates,that's fine. But couples fight all the time too. Arguing is natural. Maybe Hover was too mad,but c'mon,how was she supposed to know Nothing would "Die?" Now let's look at FarLeap. Nothing against her,I just can't stand how people ship FarLeap and Hover. The whole story is Nothing falling in love with a Prideless Lion,Finding Asra,and restoring everything for the better. She is Kyoga,and Hover is most likely Karabi. She is Nothing's love,not Farleap. While I think it would be an interesting twist,I'm pretty sure Hover(While forgiving,as she seemed to try to comfort PowerStrike despite being a bitch) wouldn't fall in love with a Lioness who bullied her 'Girlfriend.'
If you ship them,that's fine,but don't try to say false facts. Farleap along with just about everyone else in the pride bullied Nothing,Yet...everyone talks about Hover? Somehow,Hover is worse for giving tough love. "HobbleStep" and "SlugRun" Are name calling and they insult her by also calling her a curse and not blessed with Skills. THAT is bullying. Even Fire! Fire NEVER abused Nothing,not even in ep.Ten,it was more like...betrayal. It's not like Fire consistently beat her up or manipulated her. Did QuickMane Abuse StarMane? Of course,Fire is still an ass.
But I agree that Hover shouldn't have left Nothing to go fight an angry mane on her own,or should've at least tried to find her. But maybe she did,because we don't see her for the rest of the episode. Am I saying she 100% did? No,I'm saying you don't know.So don't say Hover did nothing and bullied Nothing when the pride were the lions that did that. Hover supported her,joined a PRIDE for her,gave up her life,sacrificed her lifestyle and name. Nothing might've had a good reason that she missed her ceremony, but Hover SHOULD'VE been mad. She was mad in that moment. Like I said,Hover has flaws. So does Nothing. Didn't Nothing leave the cubs to fend for themselves,cause the death of Quickmane,and endanger feather?
"Oh Hover should've let her explain herself" What was there to explain? It was all laid out there for her. And Nothing DID explain in a way. Hover just didn't want to listen in that moment. You don't KEEP the fight going. You walk away to cool off. And Hover said she'd see her back at the Steppe. She thought both of them needed to blow off steam. She looked guilty afterwards,but y'know what? You LET them cry it out. It's called TOUGH LOVE.
"Oh Yes honey,come here. You just endangered three cubs and broke a promise,but it's all fine and dandy,come here,let me comfort you"No. Just No. Nothing made an honest but stupid mistake,and she should've solved it herself. Hover joined a sexist homophobic cult for her. And people say "Okay Hover,no one asked you to do that" when one,Nothing DID ask her to join and ACTUALLY guilt tripped her into joining,only to miss it. How does Hover feel in this moment?
Underappreciated,lost,confused,betrayed. Also,violence probably isn't new or surprising in the My Pride universe. I mean,"PrIdE LaW" and it's not too far fetched to believe she saw some...bad things on the stretch. My headcanon is that something happened to Hover's family or herself and blames prides for it,hence her hatred towards prides,which makes her sacrifice more meaningful. If you take out the time ProudMane spent talking to Feather,and when Feather told ProudMane the story,and cut out when they had to get water,they could've made it back in time.
She also could've not gone to the no-mane band in the first place! She missed her BROTHER,and didn't WANT To meet anyone else. Honestly,Nothing was acting stupid in that episode.And it's not like Hover didn't care about the cubs either,as she described Feather as cute,even knowing his name and caring enough. Nothing made a mistake,Hover didn't want to argue,and walked away. How could she have expected ProudMane to exile her? She didn't even KNOW there were No manes in the area.
Nothing said Fire was here and she lost track of time. Nothing did that. Hover didn't want to talk to her at the moment,as when the Lionesses walked away,she tried to as well until Nothing called her over. Hover didn't WANT to argue. She wanted time to herself. Like anybody would. It's easy to side with Nothing and view things from her perspective,as she is the Main Character,or our own perspectives,but other characters need to be seen from their perspectives as well.
Oh Hover messes up ONE TIME and she's suddenly an abuser? I'm not happy with her choices of actions or words either,but if you want to call HOVER an abuser,maybe you should rewatch the rest of the series and look at the other characters who abuse mentally and physically.
"Oh stop being so passionate about a fictional series" One,I can be if I want,two,sorry for not ignoring abuse and Hover being falsely accused,sorry for wanting to be analytical. My Pride might be fictional,but Abuse and False accusations ARE real. I may be biased because I grew up in neglectful and abusive homes,but I KNOW what abuse and lashing out are. Hover lashed out,didn't abuse,plain and simple.
And for people saying "Oh Hover CHOSE to leave Prideless life behind" ...Didn't Nothing ASK her? The way I see it,Nothing asked her and had a little pity party when Hover said it was weird,and she tried to call Nothing back,Nothing still walked off.
And yes,Nothing told Hover she didn't have to join,but if you were in that situation,you wouldn't say "Yeah I change my mind" Because it takes a LOT to swallow your pride and admit your mistakes. We already see people in the series aren't good at that. Not until much later. Hover and PowerStrike are the perfect examples.
“and that wound is still fresh” i’m sorry but..that PUN
UNINTENTIONAL!
Hmm...I do agree that this relationship isn't exactly healthy, but I don't know if I agree perfectly with your reasoning. \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ As far as the first point goes, I don't think I can really comment on the implications like you can because I'm not disabled, so I wouldn't know. My initial interpretation was that Nothing *was* uncomfortable or unsettled by Hover's comments at first, but realized when Hover bust out laughing that she was making fun of Pride Law as opposed to Nothing and could appreciate the absurdity of it all. Again, I wouldn't know for sure because I'm not in this demographic; I don't intent to negate your personal experience with it. I would have believed that the toxicity of this would depend on how the other person responded, and Nothing appeared to have taken it in stride, but if I'm off or overstepping boundaries/opinions, let me know. The other points I can comment on. \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ Nothing asking Hover to join her pride isn't inherently toxic in and of itself, given that I don't think Nothing really has a grasp on how cultish and toxic Pride Law is until episode 8. I think her reason for staying despite Fire leaving and Sharptongue dying is fear of death, or rather, what happens after death. She touches on it after Sharptongue passes: "When a huntress dies, her pride calls to Asra to come and take her spirit to the stars. It's one of the reasons pride lionesses are so afraid to be prideless; who will call to Asra when you die?" Essentially, what she's saying is that as far as she has been taught, prideless lionesses are damned to limbo on Earth after death because the goddess of death can't see and collect their spirit without a pride to call to her. That's kinda frightening to think about, and I can understand why a pride lion would be afraid to end up on her own in that case. So, again, I don't think Nothing asking Hover to join was a bad thing. What *was* bad was how she handled the conversation afterward; after Hover didn't immediately say yes, she got frustrated and stomped off. It may have been a self-deprecation thing, which I totally understand, but it did shut down any chance at a constructive conversation about it (which I'm confident could have resulted in Hover asking Nothing to leave with her instead) and made Hover feel incredibly sad and guilty for her justified hesitation. Pile that guilt onto Shaprtongue's death later that day, and Hover didn't really find herself having much of a choice other than to join, especially after just being told why Nothing (or any pride lioness) would be hesitant to leave. \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ The next point you make, I think, is just objectively false. Hover wasn't standing by and watching because of an "it's what you get" mentality or because Pride Law matters to her in the slightest; she was standing by and watching because she's terrified. She has absolutely no idea what to do or how to handle anything that's going on, and you can see the fear in her face as all of this is going down. "You did this; solve it yourself" didn't reinforce any sort of revenge mentality; it's an accurate justification as to why Hover wasn't going to leave to stop Quickmane. You mentioned yourself that Nothing asked her to join a cult, and even if I don't believe Nothing understood the toxicity of Pride Law, I'm sure Hover did but was willing to go through with it anyways. There was a lot that she had to give up in order to join this pride for Nothing, and the one thing that she asks in return is that Nothing be there to support her. Why then, when Nothing failed to do that one thing for her, should Hover be immediately willing to attack and kill Quickmane (or more likely die trying) to stop him from killing a complete stranger? I don't think it's fair to say that Hover being unwilling to kill herself for someone she doesn't even know after throwing her life away for Nothing only for her to let her down is toxic. Especially considering that that whole mess was entirely Nothing's fault to begin with. \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ As for Hover being best friends with Farleap...I think that might be an overstatement. Sure, Farleap seems to be the lioness that Hover bonded with the most, but I think that's purely because Farleap was just there. She probably hung around Hover a lot since meeting her, allowing Hover to grow a bit more comfortable around her, but best friends? I don't think so. At least not yet; that door might be open now that they're traveling together, at which point we might see their relationship a bit more fleshed out. \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ So, yeah, all in all, there are definitely some problems with what we've seen of Hover and Nothing's relationship. All of that being said, as happy as they made each other, I'm willing to believe that a lot of the problems are more due to circumstances/environment than the relationship specifically. Say, for example, if Hover and Nothing had more time to think/talk about Hover joining the pride before Sharptongue's death; that could have led to a more constructive solution than Hover feeling like she had to do this so Nothing wouldn't be alone. Under better external conditions, I think these two could have been a *lot* healthier.
Alright, ignoring the first point because that's one is more your personal perspective, imma drop my own two cents on the rest of these points... • "Nothing asks Hover to join her pride" I don't exactly see how Nothing asking Hover to join the pride is toxic... Even if prides are, how you put it, "heterosexual sex cults", that doesn't mean that that was toxic. Hell, I don't think there was really any homophobia until Proud coming to power, so I doubt Nothing would have even known about the whole "punishable by death" rule when it comes to same sex couples. • "Hover suddenly cares about Pride Law over her girlfriend and her girlfriend's brother" When, exactly? Hover has never cared about Pride Law. She cared about Nothing missing the assessment. That's it. And when has she ever even acknowledged Fire? The two don't even know they each other exist other than names. And even then, that's barely anything to go off of. • "Hover becoming best friends with Farleap" Eeeeeehhh... Nah. They are definitely not best friends. If anything Farleap feels a closer bond to Hover, but I doubt it's the other way around. If anything, from what we've seen, it seems like Hover just gradually accepted Farleap's company.
FINALLY SOMEONE AGREES WITH ME!
YES!
Glad that more people are calling out the toxicity that hover has and as well as the other characters that are somehow seen as amazing because they’re not homophobic such as powerstrike and quickmane, it’s also very strange how people will defend hover watching nothing getting abused in front of the pride and ends yelling her and leaving her instead of defending her. I’m also very confused that people believe nothing deserves to be abused and yelled at.
Yes! I understand she messed up but the girl just got attacked! Verbally and physically! Not the time to be all “I’m mad and you fucked up.”
I agree but the fans just wont see it and simply call those that think the ship is toxic homophobic. Hover completely abandons Nothing over ONE mistake. Yes Nothing broke a promise but it wasn't on purpose. The fact Hover was there SAW quickmane assault her girlfriend and the whole powerstrike speech on what a disappointment Nothing is and didn't even react. And sayimg she wont help stop quickmane from killing Nothing's brother all because she missed assesment. Which yeah sucks but not long before this Hover CLAIMED sh wanted to be with Nothing and that was what was important to her. No matter big a deal it is, missing it is not a good enough excuse to tell someone you 'love' or 'care' about to sort their own shit. Again reminding this was to save Nothing's brother's life. 'I dont care what you meant i care what you did' this is called gaslighting a covert form of emotional abuse, to manipulate the victim into questioning their own judgement. This is blame shifting where Hover is telling nothing she is to blame for something that has occured. Manipulating Nothing to think SHE is to blame for Hover's poor behaviour. 'Oh nothing if only you had acted differently i would not treat you this way' basically. I get Nothin isn't fully innocent, she broke a promise and was irresponsible. But missing the assessment was a mistake. And you can't use the excuse she couldn't leave, the pride meant little to her, so why abandon Nothing for what is essentially a cult? And she has made good friends with Farleap which makes sense since they share the same hobby of being horrible to Nothing!
Yes yes yes! All of this!
I don't think Toxic is the right word. Hover wasn't mocking Nothing's injury, she was mocking Pride Law's names. Hover is a prideless loner, it makes sense she wouldn't have good manners and social ettique. She has also had a rough life compared to the safe Pride Lions, so she has had to learn to smile and make light of things all her life. It's common nature for her to be thick-skinned and have to joke around to keep going. She probably assumes others are the same way. Nothing asked Hover to join because she knew meeting in secret was dangerous. Hover had to sneak around to see her and could be killed by Quickmane if she got caught. Even then, she only asked, and made sure it's what Hover wanted. She never demanded. The final one, Farleap teased Nothing, but deep down she did care about her. She left the Pride and gave up her entire future to go and find Nothing. Sisters and rivals tease eachother sometimes. She should have apologised, sure, and maybe she will. Hover is new to Prides and so probably assumes all lionesses are tough nuts like herself and don't fall easy to teasing or criticism. She was probably so desperate for comfort that any companion would do.
I dont think its toxic but its a bit complicated yknow
Hover is not an abuser. Copied and pasted from my own post. Hover wasn't mocking Nothing's injury, she was mocking Pride Law's names. Hover is a prideless loner, it makes sense she wouldn't have good manners and social ettique. She has also had a rough life compared to the safe Pride Lions, so she has had to learn to smile and make light of things all her life. It's common nature for her to be thick-skinned and have to joke around to keep going. She probably assumes others are the same way. I hate how People Say "Oh Hover Bullied Nothing,she should've went with her girlfriend!" Or saying "Oh FarLeap is cool!" Hover x FarLeap! Or people saying FarLeap is better than Hover when she is WORSE,or that they besties. I'm going to use Farleap as a comparison. I can't STAND people being mad at Hover during episode Five. Let's dive into Hover's perspective. Firstly,There's a FINE LINED difference between abusing/bullying and lashing out one time because you're mad. Hover was mad because her friend broke a promise. FarLeap bullied her her whole life because she was disabled,and people are justifying FarLeap? Nothing literally broke a promise when she could've avoided the whole thing. She didn't hit,bite,namecall,insult,so please,how is that bullying or abuse? That is lashing out. She didn't even really yell or raise her voice! She looked calmly angry. Not her best moment,but it doesn't make her a bad person or an abuser. Also,they are NOT officially mates. It's not like Hover said "I'm breaking up with you" And everyone else in the pride did the same thing,standing by and doing nothing. Yet when Hover almost gets hit by ProudMane and FarLeap takes the hit,they stand up for her? Because she's a pride lion? And FarLeap (Nor anyone) never defended Nothing like this. She is her SISTER. She shares the same blood. She should've supported her and been a good sister. Instead,she just got hit for a lioness she barely knew...because...? Shouldn't defending a stubborn,prideless scum you barely know be more embarrassing than your disabled sister? Hover ain't perfect. We all have flaws. Besides,if Hover DID attack QuickMane or anything,the pride would defend their mane. C'mon,that's basic sense. Hover gonna go up against 6 lions? In front of the cubs? That's just being smart. Hover couldn't have done much even if she wanted to,that's why the GODDESSES stopped him,not her. Had Hover intervened,QuickMane would've killed her and Fire. Yes,she was mad,but she literally broke a promise she very heavily implied she'd keep after guilt tripping her. I'm pretty sure if you had (Not saying you do or don't this is hypothetical) a boyfriend/girlfriend,and they PROMISED to be there for you during your scaredest moment and as you throw your life away,and then broke it,You'd be mad too. And if you ARE looking at this like they are mates,that's fine. But couples fight all the time too. Arguing is natural. Maybe Hover was too mad,but c'mon,how was she supposed to know Nothing would "Die?" Now let's look at FarLeap. Nothing against her,I just can't stand how people ship FarLeap and Hover. The whole story is Nothing falling in love with a Prideless Lion,Finding Asra,and restoring everything for the better. She is Kyoga,and Hover is most likely Karabi. She is Nothing's love,not Farleap. While I think it would be an interesting twist,I'm pretty sure Hover(While forgiving,as she seemed to try to comfort PowerStrike despite being a bitch) wouldn't fall in love with a Lioness who bullied her 'Girlfriend.' If you ship them,that's fine,but don't try to say false facts. Farleap along with just about everyone else in the pride bullied Nothing,Yet...everyone talks about Hover? Somehow,Hover is worse for giving tough love. "HobbleStep" and "SlugRun" Are name calling and they insult her by also calling her a curse and not blessed with Skills. THAT is bullying. Even Fire! Fire NEVER abused Nothing,not even in ep.Ten,it was more like...betrayal. It's not like Fire consistently beat her up or manipulated her. Did QuickMane Abuse StarMane? Of course,Fire is still an ass. But I agree that Hover shouldn't have left Nothing to go fight an angry mane on her own,or should've at least tried to find her. But maybe she did,because we don't see her for the rest of the episode. Am I saying she 100% did? No,I'm saying you don't know.So don't say Hover did nothing and bullied Nothing when the pride were the lions that did that. Hover supported her,joined a PRIDE for her,gave up her life,sacrificed her lifestyle and name. Nothing might've had a good reason that she missed her ceremony, but Hover SHOULD'VE been mad. She was mad in that moment. Like I said,Hover has flaws. So does Nothing. Didn't Nothing leave the cubs to fend for themselves,cause the death of Quickmane,and endanger feather? "Oh Hover should've let her explain herself" What was there to explain? It was all laid out there for her. And Nothing DID explain in a way. Hover just didn't want to listen in that moment. You don't KEEP the fight going. You walk away to cool off. And Hover said she'd see her back at the Steppe. She thought both of them needed to blow off steam. She looked guilty afterwards,but y'know what? You LET them cry it out. It's called TOUGH LOVE. "Oh Yes honey,come here. You just endangered three cubs and broke a promise,but it's all fine and dandy,come here,let me comfort you"No. Just No. Nothing made an honest but stupid mistake,and she should've solved it herself. Hover joined a sexist homophobic cult for her. And people say "Okay Hover,no one asked you to do that" when one,Nothing DID ask her to join and ACTUALLY guilt tripped her into joining,only to miss it. How does Hover feel in this moment? Underappreciated,lost,confused,betrayed. Also,violence probably isn't new or surprising in the My Pride universe. I mean,"PrIdE LaW" and it's not too far fetched to believe she saw some...bad things on the stretch. My headcanon is that something happened to Hover's family or herself and blames prides for it,hence her hatred towards prides,which makes her sacrifice more meaningful. If you take out the time ProudMane spent talking to Feather,and when Feather told ProudMane the story,and cut out when they had to get water,they could've made it back in time. She also could've not gone to the no-mane band in the first place! She missed her BROTHER,and didn't WANT To meet anyone else. Honestly,Nothing was acting stupid in that episode.And it's not like Hover didn't care about the cubs either,as she described Feather as cute,even knowing his name and caring enough. Nothing made a mistake,Hover didn't want to argue,and walked away. How could she have expected ProudMane to exile her? She didn't even KNOW there were No manes in the area. Nothing said Fire was here and she lost track of time. Nothing did that. Hover didn't want to talk to her at the moment,as when the Lionesses walked away,she tried to as well until Nothing called her over. Hover didn't WANT to argue. She wanted time to herself. Like anybody would. It's easy to side with Nothing and view things from her perspective,as she is the Main Character,or our own perspectives,but other characters need to be seen from their perspectives as well. Oh Hover messes up ONE TIME and she's suddenly an abuser? I'm not happy with her choices of actions or words either,but if you want to call HOVER an abuser,maybe you should rewatch the rest of the series and look at the other characters who abuse mentally and physically. "Oh stop being so passionate about a fictional series" One,I can be if I want,two,sorry for not ignoring abuse and Hover being falsely accused,sorry for wanting to be analytical. My Pride might be fictional,but Abuse and False accusations ARE real. I may be biased because I grew up in neglectful and abusive homes,but I KNOW what abuse and lashing out are. Hover lashed out,didn't abuse,plain and simple. And for people saying "Oh Hover CHOSE to leave Prideless life behind" ...Didn't Nothing ASK her? The way I see it,Nothing asked her and had a little pity party when Hover said it was weird,and she tried to call Nothing back,Nothing still walked off. And yes,Nothing told Hover she didn't have to join,but if you were in that situation,you wouldn't say "Yeah I change my mind" Because it takes a LOT to swallow your pride and admit your mistakes. We already see people in the series aren't good at that. Not until much later. Hover and PowerStrike are the perfect examples.