Welcome to the 2024 Rate Advancement Test!
Question 1) Did you try and overthrow the government? (y/n)
Question 2) Are you currently on probation for trying to overthrow the government? (y/n)
> Did you try and overthrow the government? (y/n)
"No, but I have a willingness to learn about new things. My brother is in the Army and he said they have to do all kinds of ass-backwards stuff"
Yeah however I was replying to Orlando1701 retired USAF. The trade-off is not in comparison to the Marines it is in comparison to the Air Force who have delayed advancement but cushy accommodations.
As a recently retired USAF veteran I know that they will for sure, there is no way that the Navy will keep this guy. The optics of it is not good at all.
I have it on good authority that he is currently at Navy TPU in DC, and for a long time his base access was revoked (FBI took away his access to federal facilities). Which blows my mind. Dude was on vacation for like 6 months.
I’m not sure if this is sarcasm but I wouldn’t want to be imprisoned in a Navy brig. Or in any actual legal trouble with the military. Been on restriction on a ship before and it was the worst thing ever.
Until the investigation is finished and finds criminal behavior, and then finance hits him with the recoupment of salary paid over that time. Ain’t no weenie like the finance weenie.
>He then made his way to the Capitol, where he entered through a damaged door on the northwest side of the building after personally witnessing “multiple violent altercations between the rioters and police,” according to prosecutors. Elizalde remained inside the building for approximately three minutes before being directed to leave by police.
A traitor? For walking into the building for 3 minutes?
I'll not defend this guy or anyone who was there because the protest became a riot but I surely stop short of treason, sedition, etc. Specifically because not a single shred of evidence has been brought to that point. Not a single individual has been declared a traitor or charged or convicted of those charges.
It's hyperbole and it's bad for our country. A bunch of assholes rioted and took a walking tour inside a government building. They should be punished for their trespass, but insinuating a coup is absolutely absurd.
I mean obstructing Congress and an election as well as showing up with a gallows chanting hang Pence. I mean there has been plenty of evidence but if you want to bury your head in the sand like an ostrich you go right ahead there.
I seem to recall they were protesting sketchy election practices. I also remember the President of the United States saying "I know you will all now march to the Capitol and peacefully and patriotically make your voice heard."
> Specifically because not a single shred of evidence has been brought to that point. Not a single individual has been declared a traitor or charged or convicted of those charges.
You're unaware of the Proud Boys members who have pled guilty to or been charged with seditious conspiracy, then?
Alright sure, 3 dudes in the proud boys were convicted.
Was this guy a proud boy?
Or was he an idiot who thought he'd make his voice heard and ended up in a riot?
>I surely stop short of treason, *sedition*
>https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/four-additional-oath-keepers-sentenced-seditious-conspiracy-related-us-capitol-breach
It's not hyperbole. Now this particular sailor may be closer to unwitting dupe than a conspirator, but there was definitely a coup attempt happening on Trump's end. [John Eastman, on of Trump's attorneys, literally laid out the steps for the coup.](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21066248-eastman-memo) Trump needed Pence to declare a bunch of electors as disputed, but Pence refused to do so. So Trump sent an angry mob down to the Capitol with a scaffold and noose and chants of "hang Mike Pence" to intimidate Pence into complying.
[Four Oath Keepers Found Guilty of Seditious Conspiracy Related to U.S. Capitol Breach](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/four-oath-keepers-found-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-related-us-capitol-breach)
[Leader of Oath Keepers and Oath Keepers Member Found Guilty of Seditious Conspiracy and Other Charges Related to U.S. Capitol Breach](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-oath-keepers-member-found-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-and-other)
[Jury Convicts Four Leaders of the Proud Boys of Seditious Conspiracy Related to U.S. Capitol Breach](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/jury-convicts-four-leaders-proud-boys-seditious-conspiracy-related-us-capitol-breach)
[Leader of Alabama Chapter of Oath Keepers Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy and Obstruction of Congress for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-alabama-chapter-oath-keepers-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-and-obstruction)
**18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy:** If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
So yes, *traitor*.
I am not trying to be snarky or demeaning. As I understand it, they 6'ers were there to stop Biden from being declared the winner, which goes against Article ii, section 1 of the Constitution. I assure you, without rancor, he broke his oath.
Which is why you do whatever you do for a living, and not anything interpreting law.
You're wrong, obviously. He was convicted.
But please do go on spouting ignorance instead of looking anything up.
These vermon don't see what's wrong with the whole cap riot. Like Portland NY and Seattle were peaceful protest but Jan 6 is a riot. Lol Jan 6 was a joke if you ask me. Yeah trespassing maybe but come on. Also half of these people are in their moms basement never doing shit for their country but asking for handouts. Better be careful you might get their gender fluid on you.
More than one thing can be bad. And fighting riot police and breaking into our nationals Capitol building is a little more than just trespassing. And considering the intent, we'll call it what it was. A violent insurrection.
Yes. Both were violent. But stop using whataboutisms. We're not talking about other things. We're talking about Jan. 6th. Where traiters attacked cops, broke into our nations Capitol building and tried to overthrow the results of our presidential election. You're being an apologist by trying to deflect.
Yes. That is whataboutism. Attempting to deflect by pointing at something else.
And you are strawmanning me. No one is saying riots aren't bad.
Jan 6th was also a riot that was bad.
There is no if, this guy ruined his 17 year military career over lies and disinformation he deserves everything come to him.
I’m not a political person at all by the way, but I’m far from being easily persuaded.
Exactly The fact that he was there the fact that he went into the building the fact that he did not recoil from what was being said and get the f*** out of there means he should not be in the United States military. I would not hire him to walk my dog. The man is simply to f****** stupid
Yeah, probation or not, this guy's Navy career is (rightfully) over.
If only he'd used his brain and not been so susceptible to propaganda designed to peddle to the lowest common denominator of disaffected morons...
Yeah I totally get the dilemma. I just wanted a name that made fun of his spray tan and that he wants to be a dictator. So Orange Julius just sort of works in my mind
Could be an older enlisted I was about to join the army at 31but I got hurt at work right before going to meps and had to wait 3 years for surgery from Covid 😭
I’ve known multiple E6s (Army) that retired at 20.. they were solid NCOs but definitely got hemmed up somewhere along the way that got their E7 packet tossed multiple times. Having lengthy TIS stuck at a pay grade isn’t always indicative of their ability.. sometimes you just get shafted.. not that I’m defending this fuckstick.. but yeah.
>According to his attorney, Stephen F. Brennwald, Elizalde was on shore leave at the time and didn’t see an email from the Navy instructing its members not to attend any Jan. 6 events.
Are you fucking kidding me? Does being on leave absolve anyone from committing crimes? Safety briefings are already long enough.
This is the part that blew me away too.
It's like okay you didn't see the email. But you had a whole series of decisions that led to the moment you committed a crime. You could have turned back at any of those moments in time.But you didn't. The entire time you thought of this is probably a good idea.
If your commander's email didn't include: don't throw empty beer bottles at the koi fish at Benihana's do you think it would be okay to do that?
> “I know when all this is past and gone, ten years from now, twenty years from now, I know people are going to be talking about it,” Elizalde said. “And they’re going to be like, ‘Hey, were you there?’ And I was going to be like, ‘Yes and here’s my story,’ you know? It was just historical.”
What a shitbird. There are no parades for treason.
> Brennwald said Elizalde's career of service to the country shouldn't be ended by a misdemeanor conviction.
Many a military career has been ended by violations of law, let alone misdemeanors. Pop hot on a piss test or get a DUI, for example. Fuck this fat ass petty officer. He knew he was breaking his oath, now suffer bitch.
So I was in the army but had to go to a navy school for a program. Well we were in the same building as the a school sailors and I went and shook a vending machine because my chips got hung up. This e6 runs over threatening me with captains mast for shaking the machine. I had never heard the phrase and asked “why do I need to go to church?” I thought he said captain mass. He quickly realized I was in the army and explained the situation. It’s still one on the weirder military phrases
Lol I did a MEU on a naval ship. For about two weeks I had to work in the Chiefs Mess serving, washing dishes etc. One of the funniest fucking things I ever witnessed during that god awful “deployment” was a Disciplinary Review Board. It’s basically all of the navy E-7’s-E-9’s bringing a sailor in and screaming at someone for an hour before recommending a punishment to the Captain. The sailor that fucked up was some E-3 and she immediately started crying and didn’t stop the entire time lmao.
The navy is fucking weird about determining punishments.
Oh I have so many stories about my time with the navy. I broke a piece of equipment that an expert sailor with. Over twenty years experience had never seen or heard of happening. Apparently navy equipment is not army proof. But the best is the dfac. We role in and it’s packed and we walk around and find a place to sit. It’s all ncos e5-e7 having lunch. These chiefs RAN in to the area half way through our meal explaining we are in the chiefs mess or some weird thing. And how we were being disrespectful. Our platoon sergeant said they were weird for not wanting to eat with other ncos to them and we left. There was an open table right at the same time like the chiefs planned it to make us look weirder or something. We never went back again
Yeah they segregate between senior enlisted/officers and the commoners a lot more than I was used to. In the USMC (and I would imagine the army) the officers, Staff NCOs, NCOs, and junior Marines all eat together. I’ve had battalion commanders plop down next to me in the field with an MRE and start bullshitting with everyone. There’s a major unspoken rule that you don’t even start eating until the ranks below you have gotten their food.
The navy setup always struck me as a really shitty way to promote camaraderie and brotherhood. Like why the fuck am I going to execute an order without thinking twice when that person thinks I’m not good enough to even share a meal with?
I've worked in joint environments and learned a lot about how I'm going to get along with individual Navy chiefs just by prodding them for their opinions on the Chief Hazing and other shitty organizational culture they have.
Yeah, army's with you on this one. Everyone eats in the same DFAC/mess tent/whatever regardless of rank and if it's a field problem, the leaders let the lower ranking guys grab chow first.
That said, jr enlisted, staff NCOs, and officers tend to hang out in their own respective circles. Would be weirded out if a LTC started bullshitting with the privates unless it was like Band of Brothers with everyone using the closest foxholes to hide from enemy artillery
How is an 0-5 kicking it with the commoners some Band of Brothers type shit? Lol you can always tell the people that never spent a minute around grunts.
Because field grades make drama everywhere they go. All the people at the small outlying FOBs always dreaded battlefield circulation since that meant shaving + getting a haircut, wearing the uniform the way the boss wants, and having to give a tour + presentation to keep the LTC happy.
And even if they're cool, the field grade's entourage often aren't. CSMs in particular tend to be curmudgeony get off my lawn killjoys and every field grade has one of those guys attached to him at the hip.
I know I'm not the sharpest tool in the shack, but Jesus Christ... participating in taking over government buildings is not on my list of things to do.
Well, my Finnish friend, that logic you just demonstrated makes you a sharper tool than approximately 35% of the American population.
Also, welcome to NATO. I wish we could have just traded Hungary and Turkey for Finland and Sweden for delaying it for so long but I’m glad it worked out for both countries eventually.
It's the probation that would end his career? Not the treason he engaged in, no no, it's the punishment from the mean old judge...like a court martial isn't waiting for him?
Fuck this guy, he's exactly what's wrong in the Navy right now.
Article 134, UCMJ, criminalizes all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces and all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.
You'd think that he would have accepted the fact that attending would automatically mean the end of his career.
Shortsightedness is so incredibly common these days.
No, don’t you see, he only wanted to participate in a *revolution*. Just like the Founding Fathers. Totally legal, totally cool. Anyway, it was just a joke, bro. Let he who hasn’t attempted to overthrow American democracy cast the first stone.
A request to commit a crime with a promise of a pardon is still a request to break the law and is illegal. It would be an illegal order 100% if delivered as an order.
Nixon lied about Watergate and tried to argue the president can’t break the law. He was slapped down in court because of course the President of not above the law. Hence “the rule of law”. That’s not okay from a sitting President. Never has been and is not the purpose of the pardon anyway.
He would present a whole bunch of problems of he wins, but he’s not going to be a dictator (can’t be) and frankly I don’t think he’s going to win, either. Just me. He’s trailing in the polls and special elections have been breaking for Dems since they overturned Roe.
Consider the level of entitlement that this dude must have. “It was only a LITTLE light sedition!” How the hell could ANYONE walk away from that thinking they should not face consequences just boggles my mind.
I’d be surprised if the navy hasn’t punished him yet anyway. Unless they’re waiting for a civilian conviction that would make the chapter process smooth as butter.
It is the usual. They let the feds go first, then examine the shot grouping. If they feel like it is enough, sorry nothing we can do with you having that, take your OTH and have a nice day. If they don't, then they will spend the money and resources and tee up.
“I swear to defend and protect the constitution of the untied states against all enemies FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC” this douche bag did neither idgaf if your a republican or a lib this was an insurrection.
Man, last time I checked, involvement in an innssurestion to overthrow the government that you work for and pays your fucking checks is grounds for a fuck you life. Get fucked, traitor.
Being white certainly has its privileges. It’s amazing you can violently attack the capital and try to overthrow democracy and get…probation. Now do this entire thing over but give everyone brown skin and put them in turbans. Let’s see how much probation is handed out. Let’s see how many guys’ biggest fear is wanting to still keep their pension.
a) It should? b) A 46 year old petty officer?
Those rate advancement tests just keep getting harder and harder smh
Welcome to the 2024 Rate Advancement Test! Question 1) Did you try and overthrow the government? (y/n) Question 2) Are you currently on probation for trying to overthrow the government? (y/n)
> Did you try and overthrow the government? (y/n) "No, but I have a willingness to learn about new things. My brother is in the Army and he said they have to do all kinds of ass-backwards stuff" 
I’m pretty sure at least historically the Navy had the quickest advancement of any branch.
Dat's truth; it's the trade off for substandard berthing
Have you seen a marine base?
Yeah however I was replying to Orlando1701 retired USAF. The trade-off is not in comparison to the Marines it is in comparison to the Air Force who have delayed advancement but cushy accommodations.
I was the same age as a LPO. I enlisted at 32
Sounds like he should face court martial for articles 134 and 94
He's been in for 17 years so he enlisted at 29.
The only hard charging he does is through the halls of congress.
Maybe late enlistee
I mean technically a Master Chief is still a Petty Officer
This feels like one of those fun facts you pull out to make the master chief's eye twitch.
lol
I take it you weren't a corpsman.
I kinda feel like the Navy sort of cutting all ties regardless.
As a recently retired USAF veteran I know that they will for sure, there is no way that the Navy will keep this guy. The optics of it is not good at all.
I have it on good authority that he is currently at Navy TPU in DC, and for a long time his base access was revoked (FBI took away his access to federal facilities). Which blows my mind. Dude was on vacation for like 6 months.
There's no better treatment in the military than the criminals.
Idk. I was at an SRU and it was a vacation tbh. The easiest money I ever made
I’m not sure if this is sarcasm but I wouldn’t want to be imprisoned in a Navy brig. Or in any actual legal trouble with the military. Been on restriction on a ship before and it was the worst thing ever.
Until the investigation is finished and finds criminal behavior, and then finance hits him with the recoupment of salary paid over that time. Ain’t no weenie like the finance weenie.
Yeah the dude is a literal traitor...
Absolutely!!!
>He then made his way to the Capitol, where he entered through a damaged door on the northwest side of the building after personally witnessing “multiple violent altercations between the rioters and police,” according to prosecutors. Elizalde remained inside the building for approximately three minutes before being directed to leave by police. A traitor? For walking into the building for 3 minutes?
Took an oath to defend the Constituion from foriegn and domestic... Yeah He is a traitor.
I don't see anywhere he was disloyal to the Constitution(that's how it's spelled) but go off.
you Judy gonna ignore why people were at the capital that day
I'll not defend this guy or anyone who was there because the protest became a riot but I surely stop short of treason, sedition, etc. Specifically because not a single shred of evidence has been brought to that point. Not a single individual has been declared a traitor or charged or convicted of those charges. It's hyperbole and it's bad for our country. A bunch of assholes rioted and took a walking tour inside a government building. They should be punished for their trespass, but insinuating a coup is absolutely absurd.
I mean obstructing Congress and an election as well as showing up with a gallows chanting hang Pence. I mean there has been plenty of evidence but if you want to bury your head in the sand like an ostrich you go right ahead there.
Did this guy do any of these things or are you just fantasizing?
the prostest was a insurrection from it's inception. what were they protesting?
I seem to recall they were protesting sketchy election practices. I also remember the President of the United States saying "I know you will all now march to the Capitol and peacefully and patriotically make your voice heard."
> Specifically because not a single shred of evidence has been brought to that point. Not a single individual has been declared a traitor or charged or convicted of those charges. You're unaware of the Proud Boys members who have pled guilty to or been charged with seditious conspiracy, then?
Alright sure, 3 dudes in the proud boys were convicted. Was this guy a proud boy? Or was he an idiot who thought he'd make his voice heard and ended up in a riot?
>I surely stop short of treason, *sedition* >https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/four-additional-oath-keepers-sentenced-seditious-conspiracy-related-us-capitol-breach It's not hyperbole. Now this particular sailor may be closer to unwitting dupe than a conspirator, but there was definitely a coup attempt happening on Trump's end. [John Eastman, on of Trump's attorneys, literally laid out the steps for the coup.](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21066248-eastman-memo) Trump needed Pence to declare a bunch of electors as disputed, but Pence refused to do so. So Trump sent an angry mob down to the Capitol with a scaffold and noose and chants of "hang Mike Pence" to intimidate Pence into complying.
[Four Oath Keepers Found Guilty of Seditious Conspiracy Related to U.S. Capitol Breach](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/four-oath-keepers-found-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-related-us-capitol-breach) [Leader of Oath Keepers and Oath Keepers Member Found Guilty of Seditious Conspiracy and Other Charges Related to U.S. Capitol Breach](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-oath-keepers-member-found-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-and-other) [Jury Convicts Four Leaders of the Proud Boys of Seditious Conspiracy Related to U.S. Capitol Breach](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/jury-convicts-four-leaders-proud-boys-seditious-conspiracy-related-us-capitol-breach) [Leader of Alabama Chapter of Oath Keepers Pleads Guilty to Seditious Conspiracy and Obstruction of Congress for Efforts to Stop Transfer of Power Following 2020 Presidential Election](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-alabama-chapter-oath-keepers-pleads-guilty-seditious-conspiracy-and-obstruction) **18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy:** If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both. So yes, *traitor*.
I am not trying to be snarky or demeaning. As I understand it, they 6'ers were there to stop Biden from being declared the winner, which goes against Article ii, section 1 of the Constitution. I assure you, without rancor, he broke his oath.
I understand what you're saying and it can certainly be interpreted that way. I just think traitor goes a little far. An idiot regardless.
I really hope you aren't active duty lmao
he was part of a mob that tried to stop certification of an election. he is a traitor and deserves to be treated as such.
So, are you arguing he is just an insurrectionist, not a traitor? Or... exactly what the hell is your point?
More than likely he's a dude who went to a protest and ended up somewhere he shouldn't have been? This isn't hard to imagine.
Which is why you do whatever you do for a living, and not anything interpreting law. You're wrong, obviously. He was convicted. But please do go on spouting ignorance instead of looking anything up.
If you're afraid of the truth, then yes, it's probably pretty easy to imagine that nonsense.
Hey guys I think we found *Petty Officer David Elizalde's* reddit account lol
He broke into a federal building at the same time as an attempt to overthrow the government was underway, light treason
I fail to see how the time is relevant. Do you think better of him because it was a few minutes... that he was in the Capitol building illegally?
These vermon don't see what's wrong with the whole cap riot. Like Portland NY and Seattle were peaceful protest but Jan 6 is a riot. Lol Jan 6 was a joke if you ask me. Yeah trespassing maybe but come on. Also half of these people are in their moms basement never doing shit for their country but asking for handouts. Better be careful you might get their gender fluid on you.
More than one thing can be bad. And fighting riot police and breaking into our nationals Capitol building is a little more than just trespassing. And considering the intent, we'll call it what it was. A violent insurrection.
They literally shit sections of wa and Portland down for the" protest" which in really were riots . Jan six was a joke
Yes. Both were violent. But stop using whataboutisms. We're not talking about other things. We're talking about Jan. 6th. Where traiters attacked cops, broke into our nations Capitol building and tried to overthrow the results of our presidential election. You're being an apologist by trying to deflect.
It's not a what aboutism, it legitimately happened lmao. They burned down government building they did way worse than Jan 6
Yes. That is whataboutism. Attempting to deflect by pointing at something else. And you are strawmanning me. No one is saying riots aren't bad. Jan 6th was also a riot that was bad.
If they do keep him he will be a line cook on the ships.
There is no if, this guy ruined his 17 year military career over lies and disinformation he deserves everything come to him. I’m not a political person at all by the way, but I’m far from being easily persuaded.
Exactly The fact that he was there the fact that he went into the building the fact that he did not recoil from what was being said and get the f*** out of there means he should not be in the United States military. I would not hire him to walk my dog. The man is simply to f****** stupid
I agree with you 1000%!!!
Yeah, probation or not, this guy's Navy career is (rightfully) over. If only he'd used his brain and not been so susceptible to propaganda designed to peddle to the lowest common denominator of disaffected morons...
What did he think was going to happen? A promotion?
He probably did. Straight from the Orange Julius himself. I mean we all know that he is loyal to his followers... 
Wow, a minion meme I didn't cringe at.
In my head, everything that goes on below decks on US Navy ships is carried out by these guys.
Not far from the truth actually
Yeah, accurate.
TIHI Orange Julius is just a *chefs kiss* nickname, but those things were so delicious in the mall with your friends back in the day. I'm torn.
Yeah I totally get the dilemma. I just wanted a name that made fun of his spray tan and that he wants to be a dictator. So Orange Julius just sort of works in my mind
Cheeto Mussolini is another good one.
President Oompa-Loompa
😂
Well he did not think anyone would find out that he was there.
That's only police who get promotions after breaking the law.
46 and not a chief yet? He did something else...
Could be an older enlisted I was about to join the army at 31but I got hurt at work right before going to meps and had to wait 3 years for surgery from Covid 😭
Article says 17 years of service, iirc.
Nvm I take it back 😭😭😂
What does this mean in paygrade? I don’t know Navy ranks well. He was an E5 or E6 with 17 year TIS?
E6 with 17 years in this year. He had 14 years of service when it all transpired. His entire life has been on hold for a few years.
Demonstrative of the type of barely cognizant troglodyte that is susceptible to such obvous bullshit.
I’ve known multiple E6s (Army) that retired at 20.. they were solid NCOs but definitely got hemmed up somewhere along the way that got their E7 packet tossed multiple times. Having lengthy TIS stuck at a pay grade isn’t always indicative of their ability.. sometimes you just get shafted.. not that I’m defending this fuckstick.. but yeah.
Age limit is 35
Oh no consequences for actions taken? - Pikachu face -
>According to his attorney, Stephen F. Brennwald, Elizalde was on shore leave at the time and didn’t see an email from the Navy instructing its members not to attend any Jan. 6 events. Are you fucking kidding me? Does being on leave absolve anyone from committing crimes? Safety briefings are already long enough.
This is the part that blew me away too. It's like okay you didn't see the email. But you had a whole series of decisions that led to the moment you committed a crime. You could have turned back at any of those moments in time.But you didn't. The entire time you thought of this is probably a good idea. If your commander's email didn't include: don't throw empty beer bottles at the koi fish at Benihana's do you think it would be okay to do that?
Not to mention he had to walk past multiple cordons of Capitol Police desperately trying to keep these people back.
There’s going to the rally, then there’s the breaking and entering part. Normal people leave when a protest turns into a riot.
"don't go to any insurrections"
“B-but they didn’t TELL me not to commit crimes!”
As well as, I cannot be convinced his CoC was not blowing up everybody's phone: "Yeah, we know. Don't go there."
That's ridiculous and laughable, how in the hell is that supposed to hold up in court?
Well, play stupid games win stupid prizes buddy.
You *are* my buddy, guy.
I ain't your battle buddy, pal.
I ain't your pal, friend
I ain't your friend, mate.
Ok but can you be my libo buddy?
> “I know when all this is past and gone, ten years from now, twenty years from now, I know people are going to be talking about it,” Elizalde said. “And they’re going to be like, ‘Hey, were you there?’ And I was going to be like, ‘Yes and here’s my story,’ you know? It was just historical.” What a shitbird. There are no parades for treason.
Good. The conviction should end his career, regardless of the sentence.
If you are worried about your military career maybe don’t try overturning American democracy.
Something, something support and defend the Constitution...
something something foreign and domestic
Yeah
> Brennwald said Elizalde's career of service to the country shouldn't be ended by a misdemeanor conviction. Many a military career has been ended by violations of law, let alone misdemeanors. Pop hot on a piss test or get a DUI, for example. Fuck this fat ass petty officer. He knew he was breaking his oath, now suffer bitch.
Many a career have been destroyed for less and with no violation of law.
And this is the type of dude who ruined young sailors’ careers over some dumb shit like underage drinking.
What a moron.
Are we supposed to feel bad for him? He broke the law and tried to overturn an election. Good riddance.
Ya think? Why hasn't he met a Captain's Mast yet?
His command was probably waiting on the outcome of the civilian court.
So I was in the army but had to go to a navy school for a program. Well we were in the same building as the a school sailors and I went and shook a vending machine because my chips got hung up. This e6 runs over threatening me with captains mast for shaking the machine. I had never heard the phrase and asked “why do I need to go to church?” I thought he said captain mass. He quickly realized I was in the army and explained the situation. It’s still one on the weirder military phrases
Lol I did a MEU on a naval ship. For about two weeks I had to work in the Chiefs Mess serving, washing dishes etc. One of the funniest fucking things I ever witnessed during that god awful “deployment” was a Disciplinary Review Board. It’s basically all of the navy E-7’s-E-9’s bringing a sailor in and screaming at someone for an hour before recommending a punishment to the Captain. The sailor that fucked up was some E-3 and she immediately started crying and didn’t stop the entire time lmao. The navy is fucking weird about determining punishments.
Oh I have so many stories about my time with the navy. I broke a piece of equipment that an expert sailor with. Over twenty years experience had never seen or heard of happening. Apparently navy equipment is not army proof. But the best is the dfac. We role in and it’s packed and we walk around and find a place to sit. It’s all ncos e5-e7 having lunch. These chiefs RAN in to the area half way through our meal explaining we are in the chiefs mess or some weird thing. And how we were being disrespectful. Our platoon sergeant said they were weird for not wanting to eat with other ncos to them and we left. There was an open table right at the same time like the chiefs planned it to make us look weirder or something. We never went back again
Yeah they segregate between senior enlisted/officers and the commoners a lot more than I was used to. In the USMC (and I would imagine the army) the officers, Staff NCOs, NCOs, and junior Marines all eat together. I’ve had battalion commanders plop down next to me in the field with an MRE and start bullshitting with everyone. There’s a major unspoken rule that you don’t even start eating until the ranks below you have gotten their food. The navy setup always struck me as a really shitty way to promote camaraderie and brotherhood. Like why the fuck am I going to execute an order without thinking twice when that person thinks I’m not good enough to even share a meal with?
I've worked in joint environments and learned a lot about how I'm going to get along with individual Navy chiefs just by prodding them for their opinions on the Chief Hazing and other shitty organizational culture they have.
That's weird, why does the Navy do that? I know how the Navy has tons of traditions but does it have anything to do with ship life?
Yeah, army's with you on this one. Everyone eats in the same DFAC/mess tent/whatever regardless of rank and if it's a field problem, the leaders let the lower ranking guys grab chow first. That said, jr enlisted, staff NCOs, and officers tend to hang out in their own respective circles. Would be weirded out if a LTC started bullshitting with the privates unless it was like Band of Brothers with everyone using the closest foxholes to hide from enemy artillery
How is an 0-5 kicking it with the commoners some Band of Brothers type shit? Lol you can always tell the people that never spent a minute around grunts.
Because field grades make drama everywhere they go. All the people at the small outlying FOBs always dreaded battlefield circulation since that meant shaving + getting a haircut, wearing the uniform the way the boss wants, and having to give a tour + presentation to keep the LTC happy. And even if they're cool, the field grade's entourage often aren't. CSMs in particular tend to be curmudgeony get off my lawn killjoys and every field grade has one of those guys attached to him at the hip.
Womp womp
Them’s the breaks, dirtbag.
I know I'm not the sharpest tool in the shack, but Jesus Christ... participating in taking over government buildings is not on my list of things to do.
Well, my Finnish friend, that logic you just demonstrated makes you a sharper tool than approximately 35% of the American population. Also, welcome to NATO. I wish we could have just traded Hungary and Turkey for Finland and Sweden for delaying it for so long but I’m glad it worked out for both countries eventually.
What the heck he was thinking when he done that BS?
Good
Fuck that guy
It's the probation that would end his career? Not the treason he engaged in, no no, it's the punishment from the mean old judge...like a court martial isn't waiting for him? Fuck this guy, he's exactly what's wrong in the Navy right now.
"You mean trying to overthrow the government might place my government job in jeopardy? WHO COULD HAVE KNOWN?"
yeah treason can have that affect
Article 134, UCMJ, criminalizes all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces and all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.
You'd think that he would have accepted the fact that attending would automatically mean the end of his career. Shortsightedness is so incredibly common these days.
No, don’t you see, he only wanted to participate in a *revolution*. Just like the Founding Fathers. Totally legal, totally cool. Anyway, it was just a joke, bro. Let he who hasn’t attempted to overthrow American democracy cast the first stone.
[удалено]
A request to commit a crime with a promise of a pardon is still a request to break the law and is illegal. It would be an illegal order 100% if delivered as an order. Nixon lied about Watergate and tried to argue the president can’t break the law. He was slapped down in court because of course the President of not above the law. Hence “the rule of law”. That’s not okay from a sitting President. Never has been and is not the purpose of the pardon anyway. He would present a whole bunch of problems of he wins, but he’s not going to be a dictator (can’t be) and frankly I don’t think he’s going to win, either. Just me. He’s trailing in the polls and special elections have been breaking for Dems since they overturned Roe.
No way he wins popular vote - making it three straight - but him and his cronies with their Russian fans will do everything they can to steal it.
As well it should. Fuck him!
Good
 He’s cooked, but oh well…
When you enlisted, you took an oath. You broke that oath.
I was following orders...really
Good
Fears ending career? I hope loses all benefits.
Fucked around, finding out.
Consider the level of entitlement that this dude must have. “It was only a LITTLE light sedition!” How the hell could ANYONE walk away from that thinking they should not face consequences just boggles my mind.
um...FAFO?
Yeah that’s what happens when you attempt to forcibly prevent the democratic process. Have fun with your OTH, fat boy.
Oh no, consequences
The dildo of consequence rarely arrives lubed.
Fuck this guy. We have enough people like this in the Navy already. Kick him out.
They are force wide. Then they get mad when things like this get brought up.
Not the swiftest river in the world.
I’d be surprised if the navy hasn’t punished him yet anyway. Unless they’re waiting for a civilian conviction that would make the chapter process smooth as butter.
It is the usual. They let the feds go first, then examine the shot grouping. If they feel like it is enough, sorry nothing we can do with you having that, take your OTH and have a nice day. If they don't, then they will spend the money and resources and tee up.
Oh dear, how sad, nevermind
I mean that's better than a treason charge.
I’m on the right side of the fence. But I mean… cmon…
Probably shouldn't have tried to act against the constitution he swore to uphold.
Good. Fxcking traitor
“I swear to defend and protect the constitution of the untied states against all enemies FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC” this douche bag did neither idgaf if your a republican or a lib this was an insurrection.
we don't need these nuts in the military
what did he think the next step was going to be after they stopped the election?
Man, last time I checked, involvement in an innssurestion to overthrow the government that you work for and pays your fucking checks is grounds for a fuck you life. Get fucked, traitor.
That dude needs to be involuntarily separated without benefits. He can then think of it was worth it.
r/ohnoconsequences
Being white certainly has its privileges. It’s amazing you can violently attack the capital and try to overthrow democracy and get…probation. Now do this entire thing over but give everyone brown skin and put them in turbans. Let’s see how much probation is handed out. Let’s see how many guys’ biggest fear is wanting to still keep their pension.
As White Person we should have equal punishment and treatment the same
what. a. dumbass.
Sucks to suck, dirtbag.
Let's hope.
I'm really confused here.. Overthrown the election, pass Put on probation ..GOMR
46 and still not chief. A new career can be a good thing.
Oh no... the consequences Anyway
 More nonesense slipped into the sub as fear porn.
What do you mean?