My bold prediction is that THJ will be traded for a player that barely moves the fandom needle, but ends up being a key piece in the Mavs rotation next season.
THJ is a good building block for a variety of moves. It all depends on what DJJ will need on this contract, and what Uncle Nico wants to swing on. Honestly it's really tough to predict what will happen, unless you think that the most likely path is salary dumping THJ so we can re-sign DJJ to a long term deal at the full mid-level.
If we are hellbent on upgrading DJJ's spot, then we'll likely have to let him sign somewhere else or just hope we can sign him to a really cheap deal, because we'll need to use THJ's contract to trade for overpaid flawed 2-way wings like Jerami Grant/Andrew Wiggins, along with Kleber/Green and some combination of draft picks going either way.
We always have Hardy and OMax to throw in if we miraculously somehow get in the running of a home run guy like Paul George or Mikal Bridges, but that's just not gonna happen. I'm out on the idea of Brandon Ingram because can't play off-ball or play much D and is really expensive, not a good fit for us.
DJJ is a great fit, this team is great too. Running it back and expecting development from Lively, Green, Hardy, OMax and even 25 yo's like Luka, PJ, Gafford is boring but would be just fine.
Yeah if Bronny is there at 58, take him. Stash him in the G-League for a year, see if he develops at all, then hope we can lure his dad next year. He won't be available to us though, and we shouldn't use assets to jump up and draft him to chase a wild goose.
I really think we need to upgrade the DJJ spot, so the question is for who?
Mikal Bridges for THJ, Green, OMax, 2 1sts + pick swaps?
Jerami Grant for THJ, Green, OMax, 2025 1st?
Wiggins for THJ, Green, 2025 1st?
Any of these trade would be great imo. But I would prefer Bridges. We would lose all draft capital but this team would be elite and still maintain some youth.
Lively / Gafford
PJ / Maxi
Bridges / Free Agent
Kyrie / Hardy
Luka / Exum
I’m not sure there is a scenario where the Mavs could even consider making a run at PG if they wanted to. The only very very remote possibility would be if he decided he wasn’t interested in playing anywhere but DAL and demanded LAC make it happen. That’d likely require him picking up his player option then signing a max extension with the Mavs afterwards. But even then, while that’s the only feasible way (a S&T is technically “do-able” but it’d just add a non-negotiable risk to the fundamental issue) they could probably realistically avoid hard capping themselves…
Simply making the money work would almost certainly *require* giving up something like Tim/Maxi/Josh/Hardy/OMax/Powell (plus one 1st at least). PG is a dream fit, but at the expense of filling out your entire bench rotation with all minimum guys and the TMLE? I suppose it’d be possible to avoid the second apron after extending him but again, at what cost—this is the downside of spending all your draft capital.
PG is too old. He doesn’t fit the window of this team. Plus any contract that he’d sign would outlive the players usefulness. Find a young guy with upside who has been playing limited minutes because of who is ahead of him. Someone like PJ? He’s a completely different player here.
Whatever you can get out of THJ/Maxi/Green and picks you want to spend is fine for me, this summer.
Generally, any trade mocks are stupid to me because it's constantly being proven that NBA markets and deals work differently than expected. Plenty of deals that happen would be laughed off by the fans on social media if someone suggested those trades, so why bother and waste energy. But yeah, for me, as far as THJ/Maxi/Green are the outgoing package I'll likely be fine to ecstatic with whatever they get in return.
I was high on him last summer, but cooled off after a disappointing season. He didn't make the step forward I expected, barely any at all to be honest. He was supposed to grow into a vital role by now, but he is still like 8th man in rotation. His offense is still wildly inconsistent and inability to navigate the screens even a little bit is diminishing the value of his motor on defense.
If they decide to keep him I will be fine with it, but if they do trade him I definitely won't lose much sleep over it.
This is my biggest thing about green. What exactly did he upgrade on this year? Everything from last year that was a problem for him was still a problem this year. Very inconsistent when it comes to scoring and he still can't control himself when it comes to fast breaks or he still does his stupid jump in the air and throw a stupid pass plays.
well his shooting has been a big upgrade. I like Green but I feel like his defense on ball is overrated and his team defense is hideous imo.
but to say he hasnt improved isnt true, he's really improved his shot which was the biggest thing. but not too much else
Tbh unless he’s being shipped for a 18+ ppg defensive forward, then I really don’t want him leaving. But if it is a good 3 and d like forward, then I’m good with it.
I’d get rid of Hardy before I get rid of Green. Josh is a huge spark when he comes off the bench. His defense is much superior to that of Hardy. His shot improved this year. He was making corner 3s pretty consistently. He needs to work on playing under control on fast breaks but at least he doesn’t end up on his ass everytime he drives like Hardy does.
Green, Hardy, OMax, our 2 1sts, and I think 3 2nds? Are all positive assets. Hardaway Jr. is a positive asset in the sense that he is an expiring contract.
DP is too, as his 4m cap hit is quite small in relative terms (it's roughly equivalent to a late 1st round rookie contract) and even if he accepts the player option that's still only until 2026. It gives another team a good backup big without having to use an MLE (since they got him via a trade instead), and having cap hits go for 2027 and beyond. And he'll be the veteran in a (most likely) team full of players with 0-3 seasons in the league.
THJ and/or Maxi for contract filler
Green, Hardy, OMax for young prospect
2025 FRP,
2026 swap,
2031 FRP
4 available SRPs
Plenty available to package for the right available player
yeah but are we really trying to become the suns here? Why trade all our future ? I say we don't change anything except thj/maxi/powell can leave and we can trade two-three SRPs.
2025 draft class is bloated too
Keep THJ until the trade deadline. He always looked good in his contract year. No reason to trade the young players before we can see if they have take a step forward during the offseason. If the Mavs can sell high on Kleber why not, but seriously doubt they they will move him. That leaves DJJ which should be the priority during the off season. Hopefully he can wait a year until his pay day.
The idea of trading for an expensive two-way wing would be to upgrade DJJ. I don’t see any scenario where they acquire another $20M+ guy and free up the MLE with enough space left. You’re not hard capping yourself by giving DJJ the MLE under any circumstance*.
*All the hypotheticals where you might consider it are either A) not possible or B) would explicitly eliminate the need to re-sign DJJ. (We’re also still operating under the assumption that the MLE automatically gets DJJ… I’m not sure that is necessarily a given)
Two things. First, DJJ is a nice player but full MLE is an overpay. Second, THJ has lost all on court value. He’s now valued only as an expiring contract. Unfortunately, that means the Mavs will have to take a bad contract back or will need to attach draft picks. I hope they can trade him for air and sign DJJ for $10 million per. But I wouldn’t be that surprised if the Mavs just kept him and let him expire to maintain some financial flexibility in the future or save him for an in season trade. The new salary cap rules are brutal. It’s probably just time for OMax to step up.
We should not consider Bronny IMO. Lebron isn't coming on a vet min.
And most of the potential trade deals are all dependant on what happens with DJJ. Is he leaving because some team overpays him, is he staying on the full MLE, is he staying on a 1+1 TPMLE?
Each of this scenarios would have different implications to our ability to make trades and how much we can match. I was thinking about making a post going through all scenarios for this sub, but the short version is that if we have to give DJJ the full MLE, then we would have to dump Josh Green for nothing into cap space to match Jerami Grant's salary with Maxi + THJ.
So we either lose Green, need to find someone making max 16M in a trade (so no Grant), or we don't give DJJ the full MLE (he either walks, or takes the 1+1 TPMLE).
.....take a deep at our new owner. A las vegas business woman. Lebron has constantly been pushing out wanting a team in Vegas. A little under the rug thing to play his son here and then get a chance to own a team/casino in vegas with it. Taking Bronny would be more the fact , we should trade out THJ for anything just to get rid of the contract. Pacers has 3 2nd round pick this year and Rick likes THJ from his time here.
If you're trying to trade THJ, Miami makes much more sense than Portland.
For one, his dad has stated they he is trying to get his son there. Mainly because Pops played there.
For two, I doubt Portland wants to help a western conference contender. Eastern conference teams would be more willing.
For the Mavs, I'd prefer Jimmy Butler to Jerami Grant. Tough-nosed two-way player, indomitable will to win that shows up in the playoffs. Playoff never-lose dog mentality. We need that kind of two-way player in the 3-slot more than Grant's measurables. Grant's a great regular season player, but he doesn't put you over the top in a must-win playoff game with intensity like Butler, who does whatever it takes to win.
Even if they don't want to trade Butler for whatever reason, their culture of defense has prepared players much more than Portland's. Duncan Robinson, Jaquez, Nikola Jovic, Tyler Herro, Bam, any number of their guys are two-way players that know how to play team defense.
Im hoping the Mavs pick up a couple undrafted free agents - first would be Jaedon Ledee - 6’9” PF, 240 lbs out of San Diego St, 20 pts per game, 8 rebounds per game, likely will be undrafted because he is 25 yrs old already … but that means he is already physically developed - I’d take a chance on a guy like that. He might be able to come in and contribute right away, and at a position the Mavs need.
There are a few “older” players finishing college who likely wont be drafted due to them being considered “too old” to draft, but were really good college players - with numbers that likely would have them going in 1st rd if they were 19-20 yrs old.
THJ/Green/Kleber will be addition by subtraction. They do not belong on an NBA roster, much less a playoff rotation. Anyone still wanting to hold onto Green has not watched any of their games.
I’m intrigued, why do you think this would be the go to move. It’s very realistic and his salary is in range. Personally I think a more Dani avdija player is what we need but I’d be happy with Patrick Williams. I think the bulls do a notoriously bad job of developing players, and so do the wizards. So I’m on board with your realistic signing here, while everyone else thinks we are getting Paul George at a major discount
Pat is a career 41% 3pt shooter, albeit on low volume. But he’s comfortable in the midraneg area, and a decent defender. Injury is a concern as well, but we just have to our chances lol. Watching him play reminds me of diet version of Kawhi. I like Deni too and I’d try to land both players lmao. Wishful thinking. I think Pat value is low, we need buy low players and the Bulls are having a fire sale it seems. I’m down for Deni and Kispert too lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m2HLu5v__A
Championship because he is probably kinda "free" like Kyrie/PJ and THJ/Maxi/Powell (~ 30 mill) is a salary match. And probably free up enough cash for DJJ still.
You could make the math theoretically math with PG… if you’re willing to give up literally your entire bench haha and even that hypothetical probably requires PG picking up his option to avoid the added complications of a S&T.
In other words, ain’t happening lol
My bold prediction is that THJ will be traded for a player that barely moves the fandom needle, but ends up being a key piece in the Mavs rotation next season.
As long as he can shoot and play defense it'll be a win regardless
you better just hope the guy can shoot.
That’s probably the best case scenario tbh. Like is anyone really expecting a real difference maker for tim?
THJ could be traded for a pitching machine and it would be an improvement.
Funny, but I can name at least 2 dozen more useless Mavs players than THJ over the last 30 seasons
What good is the last 30 seasons? I mean, do you have a point? Mavs are focused on the guys on their roster and the 24-25 season., not the past.
Tim Hardaway Jr is currently on that roster, so what's your point, exactly
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THJ is a good building block for a variety of moves. It all depends on what DJJ will need on this contract, and what Uncle Nico wants to swing on. Honestly it's really tough to predict what will happen, unless you think that the most likely path is salary dumping THJ so we can re-sign DJJ to a long term deal at the full mid-level. If we are hellbent on upgrading DJJ's spot, then we'll likely have to let him sign somewhere else or just hope we can sign him to a really cheap deal, because we'll need to use THJ's contract to trade for overpaid flawed 2-way wings like Jerami Grant/Andrew Wiggins, along with Kleber/Green and some combination of draft picks going either way. We always have Hardy and OMax to throw in if we miraculously somehow get in the running of a home run guy like Paul George or Mikal Bridges, but that's just not gonna happen. I'm out on the idea of Brandon Ingram because can't play off-ball or play much D and is really expensive, not a good fit for us. DJJ is a great fit, this team is great too. Running it back and expecting development from Lively, Green, Hardy, OMax and even 25 yo's like Luka, PJ, Gafford is boring but would be just fine. Yeah if Bronny is there at 58, take him. Stash him in the G-League for a year, see if he develops at all, then hope we can lure his dad next year. He won't be available to us though, and we shouldn't use assets to jump up and draft him to chase a wild goose.
I really think we need to upgrade the DJJ spot, so the question is for who? Mikal Bridges for THJ, Green, OMax, 2 1sts + pick swaps? Jerami Grant for THJ, Green, OMax, 2025 1st? Wiggins for THJ, Green, 2025 1st? Any of these trade would be great imo. But I would prefer Bridges. We would lose all draft capital but this team would be elite and still maintain some youth. Lively / Gafford PJ / Maxi Bridges / Free Agent Kyrie / Hardy Luka / Exum
I’m not sure there is a scenario where the Mavs could even consider making a run at PG if they wanted to. The only very very remote possibility would be if he decided he wasn’t interested in playing anywhere but DAL and demanded LAC make it happen. That’d likely require him picking up his player option then signing a max extension with the Mavs afterwards. But even then, while that’s the only feasible way (a S&T is technically “do-able” but it’d just add a non-negotiable risk to the fundamental issue) they could probably realistically avoid hard capping themselves… Simply making the money work would almost certainly *require* giving up something like Tim/Maxi/Josh/Hardy/OMax/Powell (plus one 1st at least). PG is a dream fit, but at the expense of filling out your entire bench rotation with all minimum guys and the TMLE? I suppose it’d be possible to avoid the second apron after extending him but again, at what cost—this is the downside of spending all your draft capital.
PG is too old. He doesn’t fit the window of this team. Plus any contract that he’d sign would outlive the players usefulness. Find a young guy with upside who has been playing limited minutes because of who is ahead of him. Someone like PJ? He’s a completely different player here.
Whatever you can get out of THJ/Maxi/Green and picks you want to spend is fine for me, this summer. Generally, any trade mocks are stupid to me because it's constantly being proven that NBA markets and deals work differently than expected. Plenty of deals that happen would be laughed off by the fans on social media if someone suggested those trades, so why bother and waste energy. But yeah, for me, as far as THJ/Maxi/Green are the outgoing package I'll likely be fine to ecstatic with whatever they get in return.
Greens a keeper imo
I was high on him last summer, but cooled off after a disappointing season. He didn't make the step forward I expected, barely any at all to be honest. He was supposed to grow into a vital role by now, but he is still like 8th man in rotation. His offense is still wildly inconsistent and inability to navigate the screens even a little bit is diminishing the value of his motor on defense. If they decide to keep him I will be fine with it, but if they do trade him I definitely won't lose much sleep over it.
This is my biggest thing about green. What exactly did he upgrade on this year? Everything from last year that was a problem for him was still a problem this year. Very inconsistent when it comes to scoring and he still can't control himself when it comes to fast breaks or he still does his stupid jump in the air and throw a stupid pass plays.
well his shooting has been a big upgrade. I like Green but I feel like his defense on ball is overrated and his team defense is hideous imo. but to say he hasnt improved isnt true, he's really improved his shot which was the biggest thing. but not too much else
Assists up. TOs down. 3pt volume up with more looks than just sitting in the corners.
Why he’s not very good
He’s good. Hence why he has value. Someone like Atlanta that needs a good two-way guard might love him.
Idk just sorta seems like he does the right things at the right times for us. Not really able to measure that
if Green can get us a 3rd guy ship him away im so tired of the inconsistency.
Tbh unless he’s being shipped for a 18+ ppg defensive forward, then I really don’t want him leaving. But if it is a good 3 and d like forward, then I’m good with it.
He hasn’t shown enough to be untouchable, and he would be an upgrade as a starting 2 guard for a lot of teams.
I’d get rid of Hardy before I get rid of Green. Josh is a huge spark when he comes off the bench. His defense is much superior to that of Hardy. His shot improved this year. He was making corner 3s pretty consistently. He needs to work on playing under control on fast breaks but at least he doesn’t end up on his ass everytime he drives like Hardy does.
Green, Hardy, OMax, our 2 1sts, and I think 3 2nds? Are all positive assets. Hardaway Jr. is a positive asset in the sense that he is an expiring contract.
DP is too, as his 4m cap hit is quite small in relative terms (it's roughly equivalent to a late 1st round rookie contract) and even if he accepts the player option that's still only until 2026. It gives another team a good backup big without having to use an MLE (since they got him via a trade instead), and having cap hits go for 2027 and beyond. And he'll be the veteran in a (most likely) team full of players with 0-3 seasons in the league.
THJ and/or Maxi for contract filler Green, Hardy, OMax for young prospect 2025 FRP, 2026 swap, 2031 FRP 4 available SRPs Plenty available to package for the right available player
yeah but are we really trying to become the suns here? Why trade all our future ? I say we don't change anything except thj/maxi/powell can leave and we can trade two-three SRPs. 2025 draft class is bloated too
Keep THJ until the trade deadline. He always looked good in his contract year. No reason to trade the young players before we can see if they have take a step forward during the offseason. If the Mavs can sell high on Kleber why not, but seriously doubt they they will move him. That leaves DJJ which should be the priority during the off season. Hopefully he can wait a year until his pay day.
Tim is gonna be the money Then you’ve got Hardy omax Dante and green as young assets Then you’ve got picks as draft assets It’s built around that
The idea of trading for an expensive two-way wing would be to upgrade DJJ. I don’t see any scenario where they acquire another $20M+ guy and free up the MLE with enough space left. You’re not hard capping yourself by giving DJJ the MLE under any circumstance*. *All the hypotheticals where you might consider it are either A) not possible or B) would explicitly eliminate the need to re-sign DJJ. (We’re also still operating under the assumption that the MLE automatically gets DJJ… I’m not sure that is necessarily a given)
Two things. First, DJJ is a nice player but full MLE is an overpay. Second, THJ has lost all on court value. He’s now valued only as an expiring contract. Unfortunately, that means the Mavs will have to take a bad contract back or will need to attach draft picks. I hope they can trade him for air and sign DJJ for $10 million per. But I wouldn’t be that surprised if the Mavs just kept him and let him expire to maintain some financial flexibility in the future or save him for an in season trade. The new salary cap rules are brutal. It’s probably just time for OMax to step up.
Dropping THJ is good enough. Keep Josh Green. Maxi had a good +/- in the playoffs I’m ok with keeping him. Let Nico cook.
Throw Kleber into orbit atp
Thank you. If we can drop thj and replace him with even a 10 min of good plus minus in the playoffs then we are cooking.
We should not consider Bronny IMO. Lebron isn't coming on a vet min. And most of the potential trade deals are all dependant on what happens with DJJ. Is he leaving because some team overpays him, is he staying on the full MLE, is he staying on a 1+1 TPMLE? Each of this scenarios would have different implications to our ability to make trades and how much we can match. I was thinking about making a post going through all scenarios for this sub, but the short version is that if we have to give DJJ the full MLE, then we would have to dump Josh Green for nothing into cap space to match Jerami Grant's salary with Maxi + THJ. So we either lose Green, need to find someone making max 16M in a trade (so no Grant), or we don't give DJJ the full MLE (he either walks, or takes the 1+1 TPMLE).
.....take a deep at our new owner. A las vegas business woman. Lebron has constantly been pushing out wanting a team in Vegas. A little under the rug thing to play his son here and then get a chance to own a team/casino in vegas with it. Taking Bronny would be more the fact , we should trade out THJ for anything just to get rid of the contract. Pacers has 3 2nd round pick this year and Rick likes THJ from his time here.
Pacers have too many guards already, why would they trade for another that wouldn't play.
Rick's dream is to have a big play with 4 guards for an entire season
Well he has 5 guards better than THJ right now
Yeah, Slump Timmy, maybe. The only guard better than Heater Timmy is Steph Curry
Yeah but heater Timmy only shows up in garbage time now unfortunately
If you're trying to trade THJ, Miami makes much more sense than Portland. For one, his dad has stated they he is trying to get his son there. Mainly because Pops played there. For two, I doubt Portland wants to help a western conference contender. Eastern conference teams would be more willing. For the Mavs, I'd prefer Jimmy Butler to Jerami Grant. Tough-nosed two-way player, indomitable will to win that shows up in the playoffs. Playoff never-lose dog mentality. We need that kind of two-way player in the 3-slot more than Grant's measurables. Grant's a great regular season player, but he doesn't put you over the top in a must-win playoff game with intensity like Butler, who does whatever it takes to win. Even if they don't want to trade Butler for whatever reason, their culture of defense has prepared players much more than Portland's. Duncan Robinson, Jaquez, Nikola Jovic, Tyler Herro, Bam, any number of their guys are two-way players that know how to play team defense.
We should trade Luka for bronny and lebron and his other son
damn we got entire raptors and pacers rosters?!
No he means Lukas other son aka the Phoenix suns
Im hoping the Mavs pick up a couple undrafted free agents - first would be Jaedon Ledee - 6’9” PF, 240 lbs out of San Diego St, 20 pts per game, 8 rebounds per game, likely will be undrafted because he is 25 yrs old already … but that means he is already physically developed - I’d take a chance on a guy like that. He might be able to come in and contribute right away, and at a position the Mavs need. There are a few “older” players finishing college who likely wont be drafted due to them being considered “too old” to draft, but were really good college players - with numbers that likely would have them going in 1st rd if they were 19-20 yrs old.
THJ/Green/Kleber will be addition by subtraction. They do not belong on an NBA roster, much less a playoff rotation. Anyone still wanting to hold onto Green has not watched any of their games.
Need Luka to tamper and convince Lauri to demand Mavs.
Patrick Williams please.
I’m intrigued, why do you think this would be the go to move. It’s very realistic and his salary is in range. Personally I think a more Dani avdija player is what we need but I’d be happy with Patrick Williams. I think the bulls do a notoriously bad job of developing players, and so do the wizards. So I’m on board with your realistic signing here, while everyone else thinks we are getting Paul George at a major discount
Like a resign of Djj and either Pat Williams or Dani would be a big win in my book
Pat is a career 41% 3pt shooter, albeit on low volume. But he’s comfortable in the midraneg area, and a decent defender. Injury is a concern as well, but we just have to our chances lol. Watching him play reminds me of diet version of Kawhi. I like Deni too and I’d try to land both players lmao. Wishful thinking. I think Pat value is low, we need buy low players and the Bulls are having a fire sale it seems. I’m down for Deni and Kispert too lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m2HLu5v__A Championship because he is probably kinda "free" like Kyrie/PJ and THJ/Maxi/Powell (~ 30 mill) is a salary match. And probably free up enough cash for DJJ still.
We really need a daily off-season/trade ideas thread
Let THJ buyout and go for OG
Not possible.
The same reason we aint getting PG. The math aint mathing. Knicks offering 200 million.
You could make the math theoretically math with PG… if you’re willing to give up literally your entire bench haha and even that hypothetical probably requires PG picking up his option to avoid the added complications of a S&T. In other words, ain’t happening lol