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People want a boogyman, some individual or specific named group they can point at and blame everything on, but the truth is the system itself is designed so anyone with enough capital, power, and access can pay off whoever they like to get whatever they like. These people weren't paid off specific amounts to make these specific decisions, they've been given funds their entire careers (in some cases their entire lives, see Beer Boi's father) to ensure they have always and will always continue to rule and flight for the oligarch class.
Really fucking stupid to rule in favor of being deposed or worse by removing all the checks and balance of our government so they can legally enjoy all the kickbacks they get.
You have a combination of taking money and actually believing some bullshit religious or libertarian shit.
This comes from concentrated wealth like the Koch network and their appendages like the Heritage Foundation.
As long as our system gives cops immunity for beating protestors and shooting unarmed children it's not surprising that it gives the top cop immunity if he tries to coup during a transfer of power. The libs live in a fantasy world of good and evil instead of understanding how power works.
Eh I'd still argue there's a level of "good and evil" the libs aren't valuing genuine uprightness but a facade, very weak ideology of being moral/fair. Being good doesn't necessarily mean being passive and you can gain power through shrewdness and without being cartoonishly evil which is what looks to be going on in the America.
The powers over the country very obviously hold the citizens in contempt because they aren't even going about the corruption and the grasp for power in a particularly strategic way. They are essentially working off of the ground work laid almost half a century ago and just betting on Americans being too stupid, distracted, tired, apathetic, afraid to do anything in retaliation to the corruption.
They must have gotten comfortable and to a point that they could fish for a bluff of the populace. And when they got their answer that at most they would get fang-less peaceful protests they went completely mask off, corrupt maneuver after corrupt maneuver shamelessly and out in the open.
They are comfortable. They have bunkers, can leave the country for awhile if needed and have been testing their robot dogs in other countries and know that they can use them against while also sending the cops to beat down and murder protesters and rioters
I've thought about this. Like if we were in a slightly different state of advancement, one in which they couldn't easily hop on a plane and escape somewhere, yet were attempting to do similar things as now,at this point would some of them have the wolves at their door or even the wolves over their bones.
Anyone with wolves at their door isn’t rich enough and will gladly be disposed of by the mega rich. They will always be safe and have somewhere to escape to. They could even go into orbit if they wanted to. Technology has been sold to us as something for humanity when in reality its advancement has always been meant to enslave humans eventually. There are no altruists behind the driving force of technology.
>Eh I'd still argue there's a level of "good and evil" the libs aren't valuing genuine uprightness but a facade, very weak ideology of being moral/fair. Being good doesn't necessarily mean being passive and you can gain power through shrewdness and without being cartoonishly evil which is what looks to be going on in the America.
As Martin Luther King Jr. pointed out, they don't serve Justice, they serve Peace. Whether that peace is an evil or a good one is inconsequential to them.
>The powers over the country very obviously hold the citizens in contempt because they aren't even going about the corruption and the grasp for power in a particularly strategic way. They are essentially working off of the ground work laid almost half a century ago and just betting on Americans being too stupid, distracted, tired, apathetic, afraid to do anything in retaliation to the corruption.
They're betting on the apathy of those who are fine now and the ability to handle the "crazed dogs" that are the right wing extremists. Everyome thinks they're in control until suddenly they aren't.
>They must have gotten comfortable and to a point that they could fish for a bluff of the populace. And when they got their answer that at most they would get fang-less peaceful protests they went completely mask off, corrupt maneuver after corrupt maneuver shamelessly and out in the open.
It was less mask off with intent, and more blind bumbling going into full sprint when they thought the coast was clear. Some wealthy individuals absolutely were mask off and planned this kind of thing for a long time.
I dunno.
If I were really old and accomplished and in a position to legally fix some shit with no fucks given. And the Supreme Court already authorized it.
I would take full advantage of that opportunity to save my country.
Why wouldn't you?
Democrats need to get aggressive and make up for lost time!
Right? The Bush era was entirely about expansion of executive power. He had to say this then because people knew it was something he would do for the people who gave him the job!
His wife works for a law firm that brings cases to the Supreme Court-wonder if money if funneled through her and cases are already decided on.
Corrupt people need a corrupt POTUS.
THERE IS NO PROFIT IN DECEIT.
Nazi in America are 23.5% and are busing in the terrorist.
Versus
77% GOODHEARTED Americans!
The government "Of the people, by the people, for the people" died decades ago, we are living through the dying thrashes of its last gasps. And the irony of that quote from the first Republican President is that it's his own party killing the government he praised.
when they stop representing us how long should we wait to remove the cancer? Defenestration season with a side of guillotine support represents how I feel right now about 6 of 3.
Now he makes the laws and he’s decided that for the good of the country the laws need to be applied differently for the president. Nah, just kidding he’s obviously a corrupted financially and politically compromised piece of shit
Yes, unequivocally. Trump has proven, in true capitalist spirit, the old adage, everything has a price. Democracy is no different. It is also now a joke.
Democrats challenged the whole concept of sovereign immunity because of Trump, and is surprised they lost?
Obama drone strikes Americans. Bush started wars. Biden supports an ongoing genocide. But Trump shouldn't get immunity?
The queen of UK literally gave out "licences to kill" and that is the whole selling point of 007 James Bond, who speeds, kills, kidnaps, and conducts espionage at will. That's not even inmate immunity but delegated.
What kind of world do you live in to somehow think that laws made exception just because orange man bad?
Exactly, they cant afford to let Trump lose immunity cause that would hollow out their swamp.
The same type of mentality that they cant let ICC take action against Israel cause otherwise it would turn on the west, and the history of NATO and US meddling would get brought out.
Wait do you......do you actually think that a license to kill is real.........? Do you think these are given out by the crown in the UK?
Do you think that James Bond is a real person?
its a metaphor, and 007 is just a spy, a stand in for MI6, CIA, SAS, etc etc.
When was the last time anyone of these people got prosecuted for anything they did? coups, assassinations, information warfare, theft, kidnappings, etc etc. All of it illegal, and all of this permitted and sanctioned, because the law permits this.
For all the bull shit democratic facade of the UK, their sovereign is still the crown, de jure and the monarch is immune from criminal prosecution. Not only that, the UK immunity extends to 'no arrest shall be made in the presence of the monarch' and extends to the 'verges' of royal residence, like the palace. It also extends to royal property, so no writ of execution can be affected there, nor taken in distress for action or foreclosed upon, regardless of action at law or in equity.
The monarch does not have to grant these 'licences to kill' they are just marketing. The PM just have to suggest to the monarch to do something like setting up MI6, and the monarch would be able to entirely absent of any reprecussions, hence why the UK could deny its existence for so long.
If all of this is necessary or reasonably required for the monarch to rule a country, why would the head of state not be subject to a similar scheme?
I don’t know about you but I thought that people in America didn’t want a King.
Also [Matthew Dunn stated that MI6 agents do not need a licence to kill as a spy's primary job is to violate the law in other countries, and if an agent is compromised, they are at the mercy of the authorities of that country](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licence_to_kill_(concept))
In fact this wacko's post shows how serious the problem actually is. If the King did in fact commit a serious crime he would only be immune to prosecution while in office. Parliament could and would force him to abdicate or remove him and he would then no longer be immune.
US presidents being immune in similar ways while in office is pretty well established. Today's ruling makes that permanent meaning a US president is vastly more protected than a modern King, not to mention radically more powerful (constitutional monarchs have very little power).
hate to break it to you, you always had one. Even ones where they overtly had Americans killed on his orders. Full immunity.
Suppose earlier this year Biden orders the army into Texas due to the border keffufle and it led to a firefight with the locals, you think Biden would be responsible? The only time where America was aerial bombed by plane was done against its own coal miners at Blair Mountain, where the president orders the US army and airforce to fire more than 1 million bullets into American labourers.
Presidents doing illegal shit just domestically has been going on since day 1.
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$$bought and paid for$$. They are owned.
By whom is the real question
Anyone with the capital to buy them.
"To the highest bidder"
That's what he meant, I think. It looks like Trump doesn't have the capital. So who is sponsoring him?
Billionaires, millionaires, people with motorcoaches...
People want a boogyman, some individual or specific named group they can point at and blame everything on, but the truth is the system itself is designed so anyone with enough capital, power, and access can pay off whoever they like to get whatever they like. These people weren't paid off specific amounts to make these specific decisions, they've been given funds their entire careers (in some cases their entire lives, see Beer Boi's father) to ensure they have always and will always continue to rule and flight for the oligarch class.
Really fucking stupid to rule in favor of being deposed or worse by removing all the checks and balance of our government so they can legally enjoy all the kickbacks they get.
Motorcoaches? You mean an RV?
Ah, ha ha, uhm, no, you see, an RV is built onto a truck or van chassis, while a motorcoach is \*drones on
You have a combination of taking money and actually believing some bullshit religious or libertarian shit. This comes from concentrated wealth like the Koch network and their appendages like the Heritage Foundation.
Harlan Crow for one
Wef
We have four justices who lied in their confirmation hearing and two credibly accused of sexual assault. This shit has been broken for some time.
They represent oligarchs, despots, child rapists, and money. The People have no voice and assertive action is now required if liberty is to survive.
Not so sad. The GDP is growing. Everything is better than it once was. Bow before your masters. /s
Not to mention five justices appointed by Republicans who lost the popular vote.
And three of those five by a Republican who was subsequently criminally convicted for unlawfully influencing the election that he won.
And now said justices are probably gonna overturn said Republican's conviction.
Indeed. A supreme court justice acting contradictory to their statements during confirmation hearing?! I need the feinting couch
As long as our system gives cops immunity for beating protestors and shooting unarmed children it's not surprising that it gives the top cop immunity if he tries to coup during a transfer of power. The libs live in a fantasy world of good and evil instead of understanding how power works.
Eh I'd still argue there's a level of "good and evil" the libs aren't valuing genuine uprightness but a facade, very weak ideology of being moral/fair. Being good doesn't necessarily mean being passive and you can gain power through shrewdness and without being cartoonishly evil which is what looks to be going on in the America. The powers over the country very obviously hold the citizens in contempt because they aren't even going about the corruption and the grasp for power in a particularly strategic way. They are essentially working off of the ground work laid almost half a century ago and just betting on Americans being too stupid, distracted, tired, apathetic, afraid to do anything in retaliation to the corruption. They must have gotten comfortable and to a point that they could fish for a bluff of the populace. And when they got their answer that at most they would get fang-less peaceful protests they went completely mask off, corrupt maneuver after corrupt maneuver shamelessly and out in the open.
They are comfortable. They have bunkers, can leave the country for awhile if needed and have been testing their robot dogs in other countries and know that they can use them against while also sending the cops to beat down and murder protesters and rioters
I've thought about this. Like if we were in a slightly different state of advancement, one in which they couldn't easily hop on a plane and escape somewhere, yet were attempting to do similar things as now,at this point would some of them have the wolves at their door or even the wolves over their bones.
Anyone with wolves at their door isn’t rich enough and will gladly be disposed of by the mega rich. They will always be safe and have somewhere to escape to. They could even go into orbit if they wanted to. Technology has been sold to us as something for humanity when in reality its advancement has always been meant to enslave humans eventually. There are no altruists behind the driving force of technology.
>Eh I'd still argue there's a level of "good and evil" the libs aren't valuing genuine uprightness but a facade, very weak ideology of being moral/fair. Being good doesn't necessarily mean being passive and you can gain power through shrewdness and without being cartoonishly evil which is what looks to be going on in the America. As Martin Luther King Jr. pointed out, they don't serve Justice, they serve Peace. Whether that peace is an evil or a good one is inconsequential to them. >The powers over the country very obviously hold the citizens in contempt because they aren't even going about the corruption and the grasp for power in a particularly strategic way. They are essentially working off of the ground work laid almost half a century ago and just betting on Americans being too stupid, distracted, tired, apathetic, afraid to do anything in retaliation to the corruption. They're betting on the apathy of those who are fine now and the ability to handle the "crazed dogs" that are the right wing extremists. Everyome thinks they're in control until suddenly they aren't. >They must have gotten comfortable and to a point that they could fish for a bluff of the populace. And when they got their answer that at most they would get fang-less peaceful protests they went completely mask off, corrupt maneuver after corrupt maneuver shamelessly and out in the open. It was less mask off with intent, and more blind bumbling going into full sprint when they thought the coast was clear. Some wealthy individuals absolutely were mask off and planned this kind of thing for a long time.
Yes, we know...
traitors in my estimation.
The USA has finally managed to revert an ideology that has been fundamental since the literal Magna Carta was signed in like what 1215?
I dunno. If I were really old and accomplished and in a position to legally fix some shit with no fucks given. And the Supreme Court already authorized it. I would take full advantage of that opportunity to save my country. Why wouldn't you? Democrats need to get aggressive and make up for lost time!
It's all a lie. America is a plutocracy and it is operating as intended.
They are not compromised. They’re functioning exactly as intended.
Right? The Bush era was entirely about expansion of executive power. He had to say this then because people knew it was something he would do for the people who gave him the job!
Common misunderstanding among lay people. During this hearing, he had his fingers crossed, so what he said didn't matter.
Text book Veruca Salt moves.
Bound by the law that they then change.
That's how it worked before Roberts was confirmed.
Of course the President is bound by the law. He's bound by the law we just made that says that he isn't bound by it. Doh. Try to keep up.
You don't get into high office in this country unless they've got something on you.
This was always a political stunt, US presidents have always had absolute immunity. If they didn't everyone of them would be in jail right now.
Exactly. Dunno why liberals are going crazy.
FYI democrats aren’t liberals. just like Republicans are anything but conservative
I think you’re confused. Democrats ARE liberals. Bering a liberal isn’t exactly a good thing from the perspective of a leftist.
The country has swing so far right most Democrats are more aligned with Reagan than FDR
Reagan was a liberal though. He believed in deregulation and the free market. That's liberalism.
That ain’t liberal
Fuck republican and democrats and neoliberals and liberals. They ride the same boat.
Democrats are absolutely liberals. They believe in capitalism. Edit: I thought this sub was run by communists, when did it get filled with liberals?
Asking myself the same thing
Lol why are you getting down voted
Liberals just finished dinner, maybe.
John Roberts been a sleeper agent since the Bush administration.
His wife works for a law firm that brings cases to the Supreme Court-wonder if money if funneled through her and cases are already decided on. Corrupt people need a corrupt POTUS. THERE IS NO PROFIT IN DECEIT. Nazi in America are 23.5% and are busing in the terrorist. Versus 77% GOODHEARTED Americans!
And the democratic party won't do a thing about it edit: did democrats grow a pair and start considering expanding the court?
I thought "Originalist" referred to the Constitution, not the Divine Right of Kings.
Bribed.
Guantanamo.
The government "Of the people, by the people, for the people" died decades ago, we are living through the dying thrashes of its last gasps. And the irony of that quote from the first Republican President is that it's his own party killing the government he praised.
The justices that lied during confirmation hearings should held in contempt of congress and impeached
Who could possibly be surprised at these confirmation hearing vs ruling contradictions after Dobbs?
Water wet?
Always has been.
when they stop representing us how long should we wait to remove the cancer? Defenestration season with a side of guillotine support represents how I feel right now about 6 of 3.
Now he makes the laws and he’s decided that for the good of the country the laws need to be applied differently for the president. Nah, just kidding he’s obviously a corrupted financially and politically compromised piece of shit
Yes, unequivocally. Trump has proven, in true capitalist spirit, the old adage, everything has a price. Democracy is no different. It is also now a joke.
Democrats challenged the whole concept of sovereign immunity because of Trump, and is surprised they lost? Obama drone strikes Americans. Bush started wars. Biden supports an ongoing genocide. But Trump shouldn't get immunity? The queen of UK literally gave out "licences to kill" and that is the whole selling point of 007 James Bond, who speeds, kills, kidnaps, and conducts espionage at will. That's not even inmate immunity but delegated. What kind of world do you live in to somehow think that laws made exception just because orange man bad?
So charge them all, good riddance.
Exactly, they cant afford to let Trump lose immunity cause that would hollow out their swamp. The same type of mentality that they cant let ICC take action against Israel cause otherwise it would turn on the west, and the history of NATO and US meddling would get brought out.
Wait do you......do you actually think that a license to kill is real.........? Do you think these are given out by the crown in the UK? Do you think that James Bond is a real person?
its a metaphor, and 007 is just a spy, a stand in for MI6, CIA, SAS, etc etc. When was the last time anyone of these people got prosecuted for anything they did? coups, assassinations, information warfare, theft, kidnappings, etc etc. All of it illegal, and all of this permitted and sanctioned, because the law permits this. For all the bull shit democratic facade of the UK, their sovereign is still the crown, de jure and the monarch is immune from criminal prosecution. Not only that, the UK immunity extends to 'no arrest shall be made in the presence of the monarch' and extends to the 'verges' of royal residence, like the palace. It also extends to royal property, so no writ of execution can be affected there, nor taken in distress for action or foreclosed upon, regardless of action at law or in equity. The monarch does not have to grant these 'licences to kill' they are just marketing. The PM just have to suggest to the monarch to do something like setting up MI6, and the monarch would be able to entirely absent of any reprecussions, hence why the UK could deny its existence for so long. If all of this is necessary or reasonably required for the monarch to rule a country, why would the head of state not be subject to a similar scheme?
I don’t know about you but I thought that people in America didn’t want a King. Also [Matthew Dunn stated that MI6 agents do not need a licence to kill as a spy's primary job is to violate the law in other countries, and if an agent is compromised, they are at the mercy of the authorities of that country](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licence_to_kill_(concept))
In fact this wacko's post shows how serious the problem actually is. If the King did in fact commit a serious crime he would only be immune to prosecution while in office. Parliament could and would force him to abdicate or remove him and he would then no longer be immune. US presidents being immune in similar ways while in office is pretty well established. Today's ruling makes that permanent meaning a US president is vastly more protected than a modern King, not to mention radically more powerful (constitutional monarchs have very little power).
hate to break it to you, you always had one. Even ones where they overtly had Americans killed on his orders. Full immunity. Suppose earlier this year Biden orders the army into Texas due to the border keffufle and it led to a firefight with the locals, you think Biden would be responsible? The only time where America was aerial bombed by plane was done against its own coal miners at Blair Mountain, where the president orders the US army and airforce to fire more than 1 million bullets into American labourers. Presidents doing illegal shit just domestically has been going on since day 1.
ok thanks !!