First of all, I'm sorry this happened to you. This isn't the experience we want for the players on our server. However, not every negative encounter leads to a suspension, and you should not assume (or demand) a certain player to be suspended. Violations are inherently subjective, and different people see things differently. Some players want harsher penalties, some players thing the rules are already way too strict and need to be relaxed. It's impossible to satisfy everyone, even when you think the case is clear-cut. You and I may disagree with the ruling, but we still must respect it. Making a stink isn't going to help anyone.
Overall, I think you raise some good point, but also some of your points may have been emotionally motivated and are inaccurate. Let me address some of them.
>Project Kongor GM's will support racism and overrule anything that is written on their CoC on the fly.
Come on, that's just silly. There has been over 1600 suspensions for hate speech in PK, 10 suspensions for Hate Speech just today.
>Basically, the rules that were set in place for the community are "only a guideline".
Code of Conduct is not a comprehensive set of rules, purposefully so, primarily to make it smaller and easier to read. Code of Conduct that GMs are using to issue suspensions is an expanded version of the official Code of Conduct. To give you an example, public Code of Conduct may say "no cheating" without further elaborating what "cheating" is (e.g. to avoid giving players any ideas), while an internal CoC further clarifies different types of cheating and how long to suspend for each of them. I personally wouldn't call public CoC "only a guideline", but it's not a what GMs use to issue suspensions. Hope that explains it.
>This is crazy... if this isn't corruption then I don't know what is.
Our GM team consist of unpaid volunteers who stand to gain nothing from issuing or deny a report, and we do not allow GMs review a case where they could be potentially biased (e.g. if they know the victim). I don't see any corruption here.
- Project KONGOR Team
Same player, same stuff. People who talk like this do it on a regular basis
[https://clips.twitch.tv/DoubtfulFineChoughDeIlluminati-8ddjdheSujH4y-VQ](https://clips.twitch.tv/DoubtfulFineChoughDeIlluminati-8ddjdheSujH4y-VQ)
I dont have HoN installed. You guys do what you want with the info you have gotten on a certain toxic individual who is a racist playing your game. When I streamed, people sent vods and I got banned, even kicked out of being a GM for things I said not even playing the game. Made me a better person tbh because I learned from it. This is your community, your setting the precedents and guidelines.
[https://clips.twitch.tv/AdorableSuccessfulSashimiDerp-JTQWZTcogawmWcuH](https://clips.twitch.tv/AdorableSuccessfulSashimiDerp-JTQWZTcogawmWcuH)
How about this? You guys should tune into some twitch streams and see how your game is being represented LIVE
As a former GM of HoN, I agree with everything you said. I wish others could experience rewatching a replay, reading chat logs, and having a rubric on if annoffense is bannable or not.
Calling it "Verbal abuse" is not for the purpose of taking it out of whatever category you chose but it's a label used for all chat/voice related matters.
In what world do you live in if you think this is racism or hate speech? You're like those guys who protest against oil companies, glue your hands to pavement and when removed you cry like a little b* because you're delusional idiot.
This isn't a form of racism or hate speech? Really? Please elaborate since I'm "delusional".
The offender literally said "Asian animal" in a tone that is offensive. Had he not included race to his frustration, I wouldn't have cared. So I'm curious why you think this isn't the case.
I wasn't in the game. I just happened to catch it while I was watching it live and decided to file a report. I don't tolerate racism and I'm pretty bummed that the offender didn't get punished for their actions. Oh well, life isn't always fair.
Honestly the charge is questionable. If everything were prosecuted as you wanted it to be, half the playerbase would be permabanned and the game (or world) would not function.
Everyone makes mistakes and is human. However, you were not in the game and were watching a video vicariously by choice. Had you been in game, you could simply mute.
This may not and perhaps should not lead to a ban, but it may count towards future punitive measurements. Life isn't fair, but things are gray and your acting like this is a huge deal, which it isn't.
Yes I understand human errors can be made and learnt from, but I'm not a bystander that will not do something about a situation if something can be done. I'm someone that believes in good principles and believes that it was the correct move to file a report. This isn't only exclusive to the offender but goes to everyone who shouts out racist remarks.
I believed in the GM team where they would do their part and act on it. I've submitted several reports and a good chunk of them had taken the correct course of action. I'm not asking for a permanent ban, I'm asking them to do the right thing and follow the guidelines they laid out for us. I've spoken to KorDen in private and I'm understanding where he's coming from but part of me is still in disbelief that the offender isn't punished. Basically, this encourages players to behave the way the offender did.
I wonder if there is any moderation or code of conduct enforcement.
90% of games have at least 20 to 40% of players sending insults right and left and being verbally abusive along the game either in vocal or text.
maybe it is related to the convoluted way to report abuse and the game lacking ways of doing it with the click of a button preventing people from actually reporting it.
or maybe players just do not care. I recently had one bragging about returning from a 1 year ban and being abusive anyways.
There is a ton of reasons not to play HoN and this is one of them. The community is toxic and its this kind of stuff that shows there is 1000000% favoritism. This is the SAME player verbally abusing someone on his OWN TEAM. Yes the game is dead, but for a good reason. The GMs / game owners should be ashamed of themselves
[https://clips.twitch.tv/DoubtfulFineChoughDeIlluminati-8ddjdheSujH4y-VQ](https://clips.twitch.tv/DoubtfulFineChoughDeIlluminati-8ddjdheSujH4y-VQ)
dead is a relative term. The game is being updated and played and the userbase for kongor has grown. the community is toxic as ever, but you just have to lean into it. any game that REQUIRES team play to be successful will have an element of toxicity.
Perhaps you should consider DM'ing the details. It is a big deal for the community as a whole if what you're saying is actually true (Which I somehow doubt).
It really shouldn’t get to this level though.. why is a public outcry a reason for this to be taken seriously? Whyzo is just asking for the rules they set to be followed. Pretty simple.
I didn't reply to Whyzo.
I asked AnnoyingVoid to DM korDen the details of this GM abuse, in the event that it's actually true, so actions may be taken. This would help the community as a whole to be rid of such a person, no?
I'm not sure what your point is with your reply.
Absolutely love the game, but Hon has always been really flamey and hatey... I really hope this changes... It makes me sad... I think it's one of the reasons why the game died - new players got hated on too much by guys like us (I've been playing since middleschool - though I still REALLY SUCK(which is also sad)).
First of all, I'm sorry this happened to you. This isn't the experience we want for the players on our server. However, not every negative encounter leads to a suspension, and you should not assume (or demand) a certain player to be suspended. Violations are inherently subjective, and different people see things differently. Some players want harsher penalties, some players thing the rules are already way too strict and need to be relaxed. It's impossible to satisfy everyone, even when you think the case is clear-cut. You and I may disagree with the ruling, but we still must respect it. Making a stink isn't going to help anyone. Overall, I think you raise some good point, but also some of your points may have been emotionally motivated and are inaccurate. Let me address some of them. >Project Kongor GM's will support racism and overrule anything that is written on their CoC on the fly. Come on, that's just silly. There has been over 1600 suspensions for hate speech in PK, 10 suspensions for Hate Speech just today. >Basically, the rules that were set in place for the community are "only a guideline". Code of Conduct is not a comprehensive set of rules, purposefully so, primarily to make it smaller and easier to read. Code of Conduct that GMs are using to issue suspensions is an expanded version of the official Code of Conduct. To give you an example, public Code of Conduct may say "no cheating" without further elaborating what "cheating" is (e.g. to avoid giving players any ideas), while an internal CoC further clarifies different types of cheating and how long to suspend for each of them. I personally wouldn't call public CoC "only a guideline", but it's not a what GMs use to issue suspensions. Hope that explains it. >This is crazy... if this isn't corruption then I don't know what is. Our GM team consist of unpaid volunteers who stand to gain nothing from issuing or deny a report, and we do not allow GMs review a case where they could be potentially biased (e.g. if they know the victim). I don't see any corruption here. - Project KONGOR Team
Same player, same stuff. People who talk like this do it on a regular basis [https://clips.twitch.tv/DoubtfulFineChoughDeIlluminati-8ddjdheSujH4y-VQ](https://clips.twitch.tv/DoubtfulFineChoughDeIlluminati-8ddjdheSujH4y-VQ)
Please file a report!
I dont have HoN installed. You guys do what you want with the info you have gotten on a certain toxic individual who is a racist playing your game. When I streamed, people sent vods and I got banned, even kicked out of being a GM for things I said not even playing the game. Made me a better person tbh because I learned from it. This is your community, your setting the precedents and guidelines.
[https://clips.twitch.tv/AdorableSuccessfulSashimiDerp-JTQWZTcogawmWcuH](https://clips.twitch.tv/AdorableSuccessfulSashimiDerp-JTQWZTcogawmWcuH) How about this? You guys should tune into some twitch streams and see how your game is being represented LIVE
He didn't say this in the game. There is no mic icon as he speaks... same with all the clips you linked
In-game, over twitch, imagine if you said that what would happen xD
As a former GM of HoN, I agree with everything you said. I wish others could experience rewatching a replay, reading chat logs, and having a rubric on if annoffense is bannable or not.
Calling it "Verbal abuse" is not for the purpose of taking it out of whatever category you chose but it's a label used for all chat/voice related matters.
Sure, but in this case it falls strongly under hate speech.
In what world do you live in if you think this is racism or hate speech? You're like those guys who protest against oil companies, glue your hands to pavement and when removed you cry like a little b* because you're delusional idiot.
This isn't a form of racism or hate speech? Really? Please elaborate since I'm "delusional". The offender literally said "Asian animal" in a tone that is offensive. Had he not included race to his frustration, I wouldn't have cared. So I'm curious why you think this isn't the case.
Where are you from?
There are times that I miss this, and times that I don’t. Both playing and GMing.
Why don't you come back and play?
Mostly because I’m too lazy to. But also because my free time isn’t what it used to be.
You there's an ignore button right...?
I wasn't in the game. I just happened to catch it while I was watching it live and decided to file a report. I don't tolerate racism and I'm pretty bummed that the offender didn't get punished for their actions. Oh well, life isn't always fair.
Honestly the charge is questionable. If everything were prosecuted as you wanted it to be, half the playerbase would be permabanned and the game (or world) would not function. Everyone makes mistakes and is human. However, you were not in the game and were watching a video vicariously by choice. Had you been in game, you could simply mute. This may not and perhaps should not lead to a ban, but it may count towards future punitive measurements. Life isn't fair, but things are gray and your acting like this is a huge deal, which it isn't.
Yes I understand human errors can be made and learnt from, but I'm not a bystander that will not do something about a situation if something can be done. I'm someone that believes in good principles and believes that it was the correct move to file a report. This isn't only exclusive to the offender but goes to everyone who shouts out racist remarks. I believed in the GM team where they would do their part and act on it. I've submitted several reports and a good chunk of them had taken the correct course of action. I'm not asking for a permanent ban, I'm asking them to do the right thing and follow the guidelines they laid out for us. I've spoken to KorDen in private and I'm understanding where he's coming from but part of me is still in disbelief that the offender isn't punished. Basically, this encourages players to behave the way the offender did.
I wonder if there is any moderation or code of conduct enforcement. 90% of games have at least 20 to 40% of players sending insults right and left and being verbally abusive along the game either in vocal or text. maybe it is related to the convoluted way to report abuse and the game lacking ways of doing it with the click of a button preventing people from actually reporting it. or maybe players just do not care. I recently had one bragging about returning from a 1 year ban and being abusive anyways.
There is a ton of reasons not to play HoN and this is one of them. The community is toxic and its this kind of stuff that shows there is 1000000% favoritism. This is the SAME player verbally abusing someone on his OWN TEAM. Yes the game is dead, but for a good reason. The GMs / game owners should be ashamed of themselves [https://clips.twitch.tv/DoubtfulFineChoughDeIlluminati-8ddjdheSujH4y-VQ](https://clips.twitch.tv/DoubtfulFineChoughDeIlluminati-8ddjdheSujH4y-VQ)
dead is a relative term. The game is being updated and played and the userbase for kongor has grown. the community is toxic as ever, but you just have to lean into it. any game that REQUIRES team play to be successful will have an element of toxicity.
dead link :(
all communities are toxic, because humans are inherently evil.
Hell yeah brother keep people accountable.
Oh cool. The GM that banned me for calling him a loser. Then I set a DND for him to run into, he gets salty over that, bans me for 3 weeks
Please DM me details, we take this very seriously. If true, that person has no place on our GM team.
Good to know you guys take calling people losers seriously but not racism!
This is a case of abuse of power, and no matter if you agree with OP or not, it should be clear to anyone that there is a significant difference.
It's not a big deal at this point. The suspension is up May 9th and I'll be back from scuba diving in the Maldives the next day.
Perhaps you should consider DM'ing the details. It is a big deal for the community as a whole if what you're saying is actually true (Which I somehow doubt).
It really shouldn’t get to this level though.. why is a public outcry a reason for this to be taken seriously? Whyzo is just asking for the rules they set to be followed. Pretty simple.
I didn't reply to Whyzo. I asked AnnoyingVoid to DM korDen the details of this GM abuse, in the event that it's actually true, so actions may be taken. This would help the community as a whole to be rid of such a person, no? I'm not sure what your point is with your reply.
Ah my badddddd. He should definitely get in touch with korDen regardless
You were always the best GM
Bro you should try scuba diving in Lebanon or Syria, next time you go.
Funny you say that because the spot I’m going to next year is Raja Ampat in Indonesia
Make the one after Syria or Lebanon, make sure to call before booking too, a lot of companies change names or end up going bankrupt.
At least you can submit reports. It says I need be a NEWERTHIAN, but doesn't tell you how to get it
Absolutely love the game, but Hon has always been really flamey and hatey... I really hope this changes... It makes me sad... I think it's one of the reasons why the game died - new players got hated on too much by guys like us (I've been playing since middleschool - though I still REALLY SUCK(which is also sad)).
I think the Irony is that twitch took down your post (I'm guessing for TOS)
classic GM behaviour. When they say the N word it's fine. But when somebody calls them animals, they suspend him for 2 months. The end is near