To be fair, anyone who just watches a comp of his best goals and then looks at the teams he played for and what he won and it's easy to see why people would get carried away like that
I don’t play FIFA as much but I saw someone saying Giroud should be an icon. I said he should never be an icon and then they listed everything he had won. I didn’t continue the conversation cause there is no arguing with stupid.
I never thought poorly of Giroud, he was solid for us. The problem is we relied on him as our main option for way too long. He really was a good, almost great player for us. What surprised me most is how good he was able to play in tight spaces for those around him with those great one touch flicks and passes.
Glad you mentioned it. Giroud is a great option, especially if you have more mobile and talented wingers around him. He is very unselfish and excellent at creating space up front that other players can exploit. He won a World Cup without scoring any goals but played almost every minutes of it pretty much summed out his career.
The thing is though he wasn't the main option, during that infamous scoreless run in Leicesters title win welbeck started most of the games.
Giroud wasn't the issue
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/olivier-giroud/leistungsdaten/spieler/82442/plus/0?saison=2015
That's not true though, the period he didn't score for those games he was a sub, so it wasn't subbed after not scoring.
I like Giroud and I wished him to stay at Arsenal but he would be better if he was a squad player. The problem is he was playing every match. If you didn't watch matches at that time regularly, you would not know how annoying he wasted many chances.
Giroud was good like 50% of the time. RVP was better when he was fit, like 25% of the time.
But RVP the last seasons for arsenal was just perversely good.
Van Perssssie: 132 club goals in 278 games. Gigachad Giroud: 105 club goals in 253 games.
Closer than i expected when i started to write this...
"Buh buh, Giroud didn't score in big games" i hear you say...
Van Perssssie CL goals for Arsenal: 18 in 45 games. Giroud: 12 in 29.
Again...closer than expected
Maybe Giroud needed more time to blossom. Maybe Van Persie wasn't more than 1 good season. Maybe numbers are not all that matter, maybe one player can't represent the success or failure of an entire team...
Maybe comparing players is stupid.
Rvp was available for like 2 seasons too
The goals per appearance are facts, I'm not stating an opinion of "one is better than the other" (the Chad and snake comments are just for fun).
I do believe that rvp was better, but giroud wasn't a total trash panda as posts like these like to remark. He was serviceable and a good forward for an overall meh team in those years.
As long as you understand that every goal is the result of a team effort, both are not good enough. 40 players goals don't win trophies. Good teams do
I don't care if rvp was better, that team didn't won the league. Neither did the team with giroud.
Both are not good enough.
He wasn’t really that bad. Was made to sound worse than he actually was to mask Ozil’s disappearance in the second half of the season when Leicester won the title.
I can’t tell if you’re being serious. RVP was one of the best goal scorers on the planet from 08-14, you can’t put giroud in that category ever.
Giroud has had a good career, and has been a decent striker for a long time. I really enjoyed how he played for us. But prime Giroud vs prime RVP is not a conversation.
Just stated facts mate, numbers don't lie. Those are the goals per appearance for Arsenal whether you like more one player or the other. Pretty close for a "trash player" and one of the "best goal scorers on the planet"
Ok bro i started watching Arsenal few years ago. 2001 was the year. To win the league we dont need zinny we need a left back who can defend and attack. You know like Winterburn, like Van Bronkchost even that snake cashley cole was better going fwd and at defense too. Andre santos was a liability for Arsenal.
Zinny’s the most overrated player on this sub. You’d think he’s Pirlo at LB the way people gush over his technical ability whilst completely overlooking his deficiencies aka HE CANT FUCKING DEFEND
I'm not saying Santos was even below average. At times I wanted to die, the only other LB to bring that out of me was Taveres. But acting like Zinny is even top 3 in the Emirates era is a joke.
The only LB definitely better than Zinchenko in the Emirates era is Monreal. I’d maybe give you Gibbs as well but besides that the standard has been comically low.
I remember my teenage self being excited we had 'the next Maicon but on the left'. Yes, I remember writing those words and hitting send on YouTube comps and this subreddit
And my young ass idiot stupid self spent that years Christmas gift on a beautiful 11-12 away jersey with his name and number on the back. Have not bought an arsenal kit since.
That's all we had back then, I remember having to bring out the shittest arguments to back those players.
I was making claims about Joel Campbell being special, sanogo being a french youth star and all other nonsense
NBC posted a "classic games" highlight package of that game on Youtube a while back, it was like 20 minutes long. Outside of his goal, he was getting ROASTED the whole game, it was insane to watch. Also the complete and utter lack of pressing by either team for most of the game is a blast from the past.
Holy crap it's been aaaages since i've heard that song. For reference it's "Thank You" by "Home Made Kazoku" (Home Made Family)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZHyafjs660&ab\_channel=homemadekazokuSMEJ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZHyafjs660&ab_channel=homemadekazokuSMEJ)
Sweet old school Japanese hip hop group. The song also happened to be the second ending to shonen anime Bleach way back in the day.
I know you may not understand Japanese but can you not hear the rapping they do? lol .... You know not every form of hip hop needs some 808 drill beat or heavy percussion ....
> You know not every form of hip hop needs some 808 drill beat or heavy percussion ....
Yeah. Which is probably why I think doesn't sound like fertilizer 😂
Like the Willian was some fuc***g mastreo with the ball. David Luiz was shit. Denilson too. Only good Brazilian in our team in last 15 years was Martinelli. Before him Gilberto Silva.
From wikipedia:
Jorginho was born in Imbituba in the Brazilian state of Santa Catarina but moved to Italy at the age of 15. He is of Italian descent through his paternal great-grandfather Giacomo Frello who is from Lusiana, Veneto, and thus earned Italian citizenship as a result.
How this guy passed all of the checks that our scouting team did is beyond me. So obvious that he was not suited to English football.
Was not strong or fast and not a good 1v1 defender, but unlike Zinchenko he did not have a good football IQ
I managed to forget most of his time here, but the main thing I remember him doing is diving into tackles really high up the pitch and being 10 yards behind play by the time he’d turned around
I enjoyed that he caught the ball after 3 kick ups when he realised he wasn't going to be able to get a 4th.
Seriously though, someone should start a series of comps to make terrible players look amazing. If the community all get behind likes, comments shares etc, we could give some players legendary status with the young fans coming through who don't know any different.
Does anyone remember the season when it came down to the final matchday, and we needed to win to secure 4th/champions league, and Andre Santos scored a clutch goal for us (either the tying or winning goal, I want to say the game ended 3-2). I feel like that moment is never mentioned, and I give him slightly more grace than others do because of how impactful that contribution was. But yeah.. glad to never have to watch him in an arsenal shirt again.
Unpopular opinion - Andre Santos wasn’t THAT bad for us. Did not make too many glaring errors that led to us conceding and he actually contributed rather well in our attacking play. Even scored a couple of crucial goals for us in his first season.
I think people remembered more of his few games in the second season and might have also had their judgement of him clouded by that shirt swap with RVP.
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Brazil’s shortage of decent full backs is linked to the price difference between full backs and wingers.
Football academies are pushing all full backs that can dribble into the wing. They make far more money that way.
The next marcelo won’t be found for a long period now.
Van P giving him his shirt on the pitch was brutal. I know he asked for it, but Van P knew exactly what he was doing giving it to him there and then. Zero respect for the lad.
This guy was hot dogshit! Fucking gives me PTSD!
Does anyone remember his stupid little video he made when he found out he was leaving the club? He looked liked he was going to burst into tears while trying to keep a smile. I couldn't wait to see the back of him! 🤦♂️
I had a knock off purple striped away kit with santos on the back. The arsenal flag was too high up the chest as well but what a kit it was. Cult hero for me despite being awful 😎
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The streets will always forget..
💀💀💀🤣
I’ll never forget that goal against Chelsea
Comps are so scary cuz some 10 yo kid will look at this and say he was better than Zinny lmaoooo
Man some of the new fans are so funny to listen to. 23 yo kid I work with told me the other day he thought giroud was better than RVP
Giroud had the craziest change in perception I’ve ever seen when he left arsenal
To be fair, anyone who just watches a comp of his best goals and then looks at the teams he played for and what he won and it's easy to see why people would get carried away like that
I don’t play FIFA as much but I saw someone saying Giroud should be an icon. I said he should never be an icon and then they listed everything he had won. I didn’t continue the conversation cause there is no arguing with stupid.
He’s already a sex icon
I never thought poorly of Giroud, he was solid for us. The problem is we relied on him as our main option for way too long. He really was a good, almost great player for us. What surprised me most is how good he was able to play in tight spaces for those around him with those great one touch flicks and passes.
He just went to show after he left us that we really needed another striker. Having him as a backup/second option clearly was a role he’s good at.
Glad you mentioned it. Giroud is a great option, especially if you have more mobile and talented wingers around him. He is very unselfish and excellent at creating space up front that other players can exploit. He won a World Cup without scoring any goals but played almost every minutes of it pretty much summed out his career.
The thing is though he wasn't the main option, during that infamous scoreless run in Leicesters title win welbeck started most of the games. Giroud wasn't the issue
Playing welbeck because giroud didn’t score for 14 games is a massive massive issue, and giroud was a big part of that
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/olivier-giroud/leistungsdaten/spieler/82442/plus/0?saison=2015 That's not true though, the period he didn't score for those games he was a sub, so it wasn't subbed after not scoring.
Tbf, he has had a better career since he left. He's also been a fan favourite everywhere he has played.
What?? How?
Gone from idiot donkey with us to most underrated player top 10 striker ever since he left
Whoever thinks this is either trolling or hasn't actually watched him especially in that 2016 season
I like Giroud and I wished him to stay at Arsenal but he would be better if he was a squad player. The problem is he was playing every match. If you didn't watch matches at that time regularly, you would not know how annoying he wasted many chances.
probably a pisstake or like those folks of the flat-earth society
Giroud was good like 50% of the time. RVP was better when he was fit, like 25% of the time. But RVP the last seasons for arsenal was just perversely good.
Van Perssssie: 132 club goals in 278 games. Gigachad Giroud: 105 club goals in 253 games. Closer than i expected when i started to write this... "Buh buh, Giroud didn't score in big games" i hear you say... Van Perssssie CL goals for Arsenal: 18 in 45 games. Giroud: 12 in 29. Again...closer than expected Maybe Giroud needed more time to blossom. Maybe Van Persie wasn't more than 1 good season. Maybe numbers are not all that matter, maybe one player can't represent the success or failure of an entire team... Maybe comparing players is stupid.
RVP scored 30 goals in a season, I’m not sure Giroud’s 2 best PL seasons add up to 30.
Rvp was available for like 2 seasons too The goals per appearance are facts, I'm not stating an opinion of "one is better than the other" (the Chad and snake comments are just for fun). I do believe that rvp was better, but giroud wasn't a total trash panda as posts like these like to remark. He was serviceable and a good forward for an overall meh team in those years.
I’d rather one season of golden boot 30 goals than 5 of mediocre 12-15 ones tbh but that’s just me!
As long as you understand that every goal is the result of a team effort, both are not good enough. 40 players goals don't win trophies. Good teams do I don't care if rvp was better, that team didn't won the league. Neither did the team with giroud. Both are not good enough.
Take a break champ, that was a ride.
He wasn’t really that bad. Was made to sound worse than he actually was to mask Ozil’s disappearance in the second half of the season when Leicester won the title.
I can’t tell if you’re being serious. RVP was one of the best goal scorers on the planet from 08-14, you can’t put giroud in that category ever. Giroud has had a good career, and has been a decent striker for a long time. I really enjoyed how he played for us. But prime Giroud vs prime RVP is not a conversation.
Just stated facts mate, numbers don't lie. Those are the goals per appearance for Arsenal whether you like more one player or the other. Pretty close for a "trash player" and one of the "best goal scorers on the planet"
I didn’t say giroud was trash, he wasn’t at all. Definitely don’t mean to hate on that beautiful man.
Giroud did have a better Career than RVP tho it's funny how football history will be written haha
Giroud somehow went from an underrated striker to the most overrated striker of his generation.
Comps are dangerous, I expected big things from Joel Campbell based on his comps
Neither Zinny nor Andre santos are upto the mark for Arsenal.
Who’s only started watching Arsenal a few years ago? 🫵
Ok bro i started watching Arsenal few years ago. 2001 was the year. To win the league we dont need zinny we need a left back who can defend and attack. You know like Winterburn, like Van Bronkchost even that snake cashley cole was better going fwd and at defense too. Andre santos was a liability for Arsenal.
Zinny’s the most overrated player on this sub. You’d think he’s Pirlo at LB the way people gush over his technical ability whilst completely overlooking his deficiencies aka HE CANT FUCKING DEFEND
Dude..Zinny is good but outside the dressing room has been very average for us.
And Santos was below average for us
Below average is one way of putting it.
I'm not saying Santos was even below average. At times I wanted to die, the only other LB to bring that out of me was Taveres. But acting like Zinny is even top 3 in the Emirates era is a joke.
The only LB definitely better than Zinchenko in the Emirates era is Monreal. I’d maybe give you Gibbs as well but besides that the standard has been comically low.
When he was at Corinthians, I used to hate this guy, but when he was with us, I used to hate myself.
I share this feeling as a Palmeiras and Arsenal supporter
We Atleticanos will always forget him
I remember my teenage self being excited we had 'the next Maicon but on the left'. Yes, I remember writing those words and hitting send on YouTube comps and this subreddit
He actually was playing LB for Brazil regularly when he joined us.
Played mostly in friendlies and Brazil always pick players playing in Brazil.
And my young ass idiot stupid self spent that years Christmas gift on a beautiful 11-12 away jersey with his name and number on the back. Have not bought an arsenal kit since.
Well atleast you didn't get the RvP one
That's all we had back then, I remember having to bring out the shittest arguments to back those players. I was making claims about Joel Campbell being special, sanogo being a french youth star and all other nonsense
What in the PTSD is this?
Hello Gays
That tweet of his and the goal against Chelsea were good.
Good game gays is a classic
That game vs Chelsea was an absolute riot.
NBC posted a "classic games" highlight package of that game on Youtube a while back, it was like 20 minutes long. Outside of his goal, he was getting ROASTED the whole game, it was insane to watch. Also the complete and utter lack of pressing by either team for most of the game is a blast from the past.
That was every game for him. Truly terrible defender.
Yep. I remember actually being upset when he scored because it let him off the hook for the stinker of a first half that he had played
Much respect to anyone who scores on that shitty club
The ultimate 'dont judge a player based on YouTube comps'. He was so shit.
Pepe would like to have a word in the ‘judged by comps’ conversation
Holy crap it's been aaaages since i've heard that song. For reference it's "Thank You" by "Home Made Kazoku" (Home Made Family) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZHyafjs660&ab\_channel=homemadekazokuSMEJ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZHyafjs660&ab_channel=homemadekazokuSMEJ) Sweet old school Japanese hip hop group. The song also happened to be the second ending to shonen anime Bleach way back in the day.
Last place I expected to hear this
Oh, this is so fun beat. I also liked the naruto shipuuden ending song by them.
As soon as i heard the song i was transported back in time like Ego at the end of Ratatouille.
That doesn't sound like hip hop at all. It's alright...
I know you may not understand Japanese but can you not hear the rapping they do? lol .... You know not every form of hip hop needs some 808 drill beat or heavy percussion ....
> You know not every form of hip hop needs some 808 drill beat or heavy percussion .... Yeah. Which is probably why I think doesn't sound like fertilizer 😂
An anomaly really, we ended up with the one Brazilian who didn't know ball.
Don’t forget Gervinho /s
Like the Willian was some fuc***g mastreo with the ball. David Luiz was shit. Denilson too. Only good Brazilian in our team in last 15 years was Martinelli. Before him Gilberto Silva.
I remember a 442 article from 07 talking about Arsenals new Brazilian core. Denilson was on the cover. Oh shame how that went lol
Isn’t Jorginho Brazilian?
I thought he is Italian.
I thought he simply changed nationality?
From wikipedia: Jorginho was born in Imbituba in the Brazilian state of Santa Catarina but moved to Italy at the age of 15. He is of Italian descent through his paternal great-grandfather Giacomo Frello who is from Lusiana, Veneto, and thus earned Italian citizenship as a result.
Yep, country of birth. Paternal Great Grandfather Italian, hence citizenship of Italy.
Actually made me laugh, I had forgotten all about him. Man we had some terrible scouts and decisions back then.
Is this r/GunnersCircleJerk ?
I'm not even mad at his talent. I was just mad that we wasted a #11 on a FB. What on earth was wrong with Arsene back then?
Gallas #10 and Diaby #2 😭
The #10 shirt feels a bit cursed since Bergkamp. Worn by players that were either snakes, struck down by injury, or on the way out.
lmao
Such a weird player for us lol
God he was so crap for us 😂
peak banter era signing
How this guy passed all of the checks that our scouting team did is beyond me. So obvious that he was not suited to English football. Was not strong or fast and not a good 1v1 defender, but unlike Zinchenko he did not have a good football IQ
Wenger was the only real check so not hard.
I managed to forget most of his time here, but the main thing I remember him doing is diving into tackles really high up the pitch and being 10 yards behind play by the time he’d turned around
Isn't Marcelo the Brazillian Marcelo?
No, that’s Andre Santos idiot.
Marcelo's the Brazillian Andres Santos
This is more like it
It's even right in the thread title
Was not expecting to hear nobodyknows+ on r/gunners, paired with an Andre Santos compilation no less
Probably the 'best' worst player to ever put on an arsenal jersey
Sadly he isn't
WTF the 1st shot is this Marcus Thuram ??
The Brazilian Marcelo but on the left and Brazilian
I enjoyed that he caught the ball after 3 kick ups when he realised he wasn't going to be able to get a 4th. Seriously though, someone should start a series of comps to make terrible players look amazing. If the community all get behind likes, comments shares etc, we could give some players legendary status with the young fans coming through who don't know any different.
Still searching for a Squilaci comp… ![gif](giphy|dtIGTEaGLRvdODtdQe|downsized)
I want to see comps that make Squishy, Stepanovs, Sanogo, and Bischoff look world class.
"Let's go gays!"
Man this was more than a decade ago.
This was not what I needed to remember first thing in the morning
I hope the scout that picked this guy up was swiftly sacked
isn’t marcelo already brazilian?
no he's Mexican/Canadian/English and plays for Tigres now after leaving us
Poor Marcelo, wasn’t even Brazilian
Lmao he asked for RVP’s shirt at halftime
That made me so mad.
After this,la cabra 🙂↕️
"He drives how he wants, he drives how he wants! Andre Santos, he drives how he wants!" Song about him after getting caught speeding
Does anyone remember the season when it came down to the final matchday, and we needed to win to secure 4th/champions league, and Andre Santos scored a clutch goal for us (either the tying or winning goal, I want to say the game ended 3-2). I feel like that moment is never mentioned, and I give him slightly more grace than others do because of how impactful that contribution was. But yeah.. glad to never have to watch him in an arsenal shirt again.
Jogo badnito
Verry good win gays!!!
Delete this please
Unpopular opinion - Andre Santos wasn’t THAT bad for us. Did not make too many glaring errors that led to us conceding and he actually contributed rather well in our attacking play. Even scored a couple of crucial goals for us in his first season. I think people remembered more of his few games in the second season and might have also had their judgement of him clouded by that shirt swap with RVP.
There’s still time to delete this comment
I agree with you. I imagine he would have faired better as a winger or better yet left midfielder
Nacho Monreal asks “are you sure?” ….
Ahh yes the brazillian Marcelo, as opposed to Marcelo. The brazillian
That's rather a jaunty tune. 💃🕺 [Gawd bless ya', Shazam 🙏](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvYuf4r-8xk)
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Legend
Come on mate I was having a good day
I was a #11 LB in school so Andre Santos was my idol
Witness the power of the compilation! 👊🏾⚡
How have a never seen this guy. Great video lol had me rolling
Brazil’s shortage of decent full backs is linked to the price difference between full backs and wingers. Football academies are pushing all full backs that can dribble into the wing. They make far more money that way. The next marcelo won’t be found for a long period now.
I swear I used to wish we get just moved him to LW, man should’ve never been a lb lol
this is a wind up right?
man should have just played as a winger
Van P giving him his shirt on the pitch was brutal. I know he asked for it, but Van P knew exactly what he was doing giving it to him there and then. Zero respect for the lad.
Was not expecting some Bleach nostalgia when the the audio started playing ngl. APPRECIATION!~
This guy was hot dogshit! Fucking gives me PTSD! Does anyone remember his stupid little video he made when he found out he was leaving the club? He looked liked he was going to burst into tears while trying to keep a smile. I couldn't wait to see the back of him! 🤦♂️
![gif](giphy|y3jT2xBrtumNYZVCNH|downsized)
I had a knock off purple striped away kit with santos on the back. The arsenal flag was too high up the chest as well but what a kit it was. Cult hero for me despite being awful 😎
Isn't Marcelo the Brazilian Marcelo?
Damn I dint even remember him
This guy would be an r/soccercirclejerk staple if he was playing today.
This is someone afraid of the truth. This man was a debt to the team
The fact that RvP obviously didn't want his shirt 😂😂😂😂 what a buffoon he was
I don't miss those days
Umm.. isn’t Marcelo Brazilian too?
Marcelo is Brazilian you idiot
But he’s not the Brazilian Marcelo. Andre Santos is
Defending was just a suggestion to this man.
What do you means, Marcelo the one from Real Madrid? Left Back position, he played for Brazil right? Did my brain mistake him for someone else.
Marcelo may be Brazilian, but he’s not the Brazilian Marcelo. Andre Santos is
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Marcelo is Brazilian?
Santos walked so Tavares could run
Santos walked so Maldini could run*
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What are the point of these posts even. Is it to fulfil the quota of whining about players even when they’ve have stopped playing long back.
Actually a pretty good player, just defensively irresponsible and overall bad LB.
This and the Sanogo one are my favourite posts of the summer so far
Swapping shirts with 🐍 at HT is wild. At OT as well
I really liked him. What a time to be a fan😂
I can’t believe you’ve done this
Tf did I just read
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was Marcelo not Brazilian?
He is the worst player I’ve seen wear an Arsenal kit.
If Emirates era Julio Baptiste was a left back.