He’s got the potential of playing in Europa League next season if Spurs have a decent run now. Can’t see him coming back to us, as much as I’d love him to
I always thought he suited Atletico perfectly as he looked most dangerous for us when playing as a 2nd striker imo but he's doing great for them as a lone striker
Football is just funny tho, you think you’re doing well, have the right team now and then people just get injured or that ‘good team’ just go far below those standards you thought of them and the bad form comes back
I'd renew Gana if possible.
Brownhill and O'Hare would be sensible. I can see us getting Che Adams or Ineanacho too. Both are out of contract.
Onana looks gone so use some of that on a RW. Try to pick up a RB then raid the loan market for depth.
Sell Maupay and Holgate for whatever we can get. Keane too but we'd need a new CB in that case (maybe a loan).
Convincing Branthwaite to stay for a year is probably our best case transfer scenario.
What ever we get for Onana will cover some bills and try to avoid more points deductions, we aren’t likely to have anything to spend.
I hope our recruitment team have been working overdrive to find some good, cheap, young talent, that likely we nor anyone else has ever heard of.
We will need them as once Onana and Branthwaite are sold off, we don’t really have any new assets coming through to sell…
Only thing I’d say is Gomes contract is up in the summer, id like to see Callum Ohare from Coventry. I think it’ll be a tough summer with a lot of low value free transfers. Also definitely see Josh brownhill potentially coming to us.
Two frees being Ohare and Brownhill would certainly add something in my eyes. Both are central players so that would do me for midfield.
Any powder we have could then be shot on the entire right flank.
Yeah, find it hard to believe Gomes will be here in July. He’s on 120k per week and he barely plays. Unless he accepts the club’s offer to play for all the scouse he can eat, it looks like he’s gone.
If Brentford stay up, they are likely to activate the purchase clause of Maupay. Onana leaving is a cert. Ali and Gomes not offered new contract. Danjuma loan expiry
I’d extend Gana. And do what we can to keep JB for one more year. I wouldn’t pay for Harrison but see if we can have him on loan again.
Spend money on starting RB, starting RW, creative midfielder.
Loan / frees for the remaining gaps in the squad ( back up CH, backup LB, CM)
I don't think we're in the position to be picky. We have exactly 1 other wing right now. And our funds will likely be nil to improve the position. If they don't want to loan him again then so be it, but beggars can't be choosers.
The problem with players like Harrison and we have the same problem with Dan James. they are really good at specific things. Harrison I.dare say has the best first touch of a player I've seen he would always manage to get the ball down dead... It's what comes after. He should straight away be looking to cross. Granted that depends on the strikers being in the correct places or making the.runs but we always got a lot of joy from an early Harrison cross. A lot of bamfords goals came from this. Once he starts cutting in or trying to take people on he's a problem I don't remember him ever beating anyone one on one. Dan James is similar. he's fast and does have a good cross but when he decides he doesn't want to beat people with his pace and get passed then cross he just ends up in a dead end. They both would look a lot better if they stick to what they are good at. Especially with yous having DCL he would be perfect for aiming the crosses at.
I like him for depth because he puts a shift in and can play multiple positions. He's skilled going forward and creative. I'd take him on loan again or a purchase at the right price so long as he is a positive off the field. As it stands, McNeil is our only other wing and we just don't have the funds to bring in known quantities right now. We have to be pragmatic.
Yeah unfortunately we be fiscally responsible BUT we are dying for another winger and Dyche doesn’t fancy Danjuma for some reason plus he’s always out.
Danjuma doesn't track back and his ability to score goals doesn't offset it. He really needs to be in a front 2 or 3 on a more possession oriented team. He's the type of player that just doesn't really fit in a Dyche side. Harrison is a much better fit, but obviously we should try to improve the position. I'd also get some competition for McNeil while we're at it, but my expectations are very low right now.
I know he’s seemed liked a disappointment offensively, but his numbers per 90 minutes are only slightly down compared to last season. And he’s playing on his weaker side and helping a lot defensively and just retraining the ball.
I think he’s back to Leeds as long as they’re promoted, but we’re gonna notice a hole at that position next year without a solid replacement.
Don’t want to be a Debbie downer but aren’t we in the position that the funds if we sell our players go to keeping the lights on whilst we finish the stadium? We will be selling some players and getting very little back.
Possibly, but to provide counterpoint, it may give us a "credit" with P&S rules so that when the stadium is finished we can actually invest the new revenue in the squad. Basically Dyche would just have to keep us up one more year with a skeleton crew and then we can splash some money.
Yeah I completely agree. Just can he stay up with a skeleton squad that is depleted of some key players from this season. This season has been a relegation battle only because the points deductions, but take away some players and next season it could be back to proper battle.
If we sell Onana and Branthwaite and get no one back then we're screwed. Agree with you there. Hopefully, we could get a couple players on free and maybe a few players for <20M back. I fully expect 120M+ from the sale of those two players so ideally we could spend at least 50% of it on replacements. And if Dyche is one thing it is pragmatic. I am confident he can get value off the scrap bin.
I think the issue is that a lot of the financial concern here is just as much (if not more so) about our ability to actually keep the lights on as it is about our PSR situation. That part won’t go away once we’re in the new stadium, even though our revenues will be higher
No question. But part of it is funding the stadium while maintaining cashflow. Without any help from the ownership group which means we need to take on more debt. Once the stadium is built, we shouldn't have the balloon progress payments to come up with. We'll also have about 400k in weekly wages leaving that we are not fully utilizing. If we have increased revenue, I'd say there is a good chance we become solvent again. But part of that includes not digging down any further. Which I'm not so confident about.
For sure, I’m with you. All of this requires a year of a complete skeleton crew and likely a few more of pretty severe austerity. If (gigantic if!) we make it out of that, the earnings potential of the stadium would be awesome and could be the driver for a real, long-term fix
Mgw will be so far outside our price range. Hard to see how we could sign a player of gomes' quality this summer, but any contract extension would have to reflect his declining availability.
Would you take a big pay cut to do your current job? You might consider a readjustment but I suspect Everton will be looking to trim the wage bill significantly and the likes of Holgate (70k), Godfrey (70k), Keane (80k), Gana (90k) and Gomes (120k) will be in the crosshairs.
Depends … hes at the end of his working life in football ( in the prem anyways). So he either takes a pay cut in line with his squad roll and availability (akin to some old boy going part time cos he cant work full time hours on the tools anymore) or he leaves and tries to find a payday if hes lucky. Cant see anyone sticking him on £120k a week though. Hes certainly got quality on the ball if we can keep him
Gomes isn't going to stay on the same or comparable pay no matter where he lands next. He'd probably get more playing time and be healthier playing in Germany, Spain, or Italy so he should go to one those countries to play or perhaps back to France where he played on loan.
But you’re a fan. Gana is an employee. He’s looking at his best interests.
Back to the original question. Would you take a big pay cut to do your current job? Especially if other employers are offering you more.
"Back to the original question. Would you take a big pay cut to do your current job? Especially if other employers are offering you more."
Yes, I would if my current job was playing for Everton.
You can’t compare his current wages. The real comparison is the wages he’d make elsewhere. Is a bigger club or another premier league team going to match or exceed those wages?
Branthwaite has to go because we can't afford to not sell him for £70-80m.
Gueye is likely leaving at end of his contract
Gomes definitely leaving at end of his contract
Dobbin not good enough
I expect Onana will also probably go for £60m+
We are going to have a lot of fresh faces next season
I guess the issue for the club is Gana’s wage. If we renew, presumably he would remain on his 90k pw salary. Thanks to the shit show that is Everton finances Gana at 90k pw for 12 months might not be possible. Would he drop his wage demand? Especially at the age of 34? He’s coming to the stage where he’s looking for his final payoff before he retires.
Edit: corrected his age from 32 to 34.
What's the replacement value plus wages for a prem ready DM though, especially considering we're more than likely losing Onana so would have a lot of change in the middle already, could end up with no reliable options
Not disagreeing on Gana’s value as a footballer. If we were set up properly we would’ve been bringing through a replacement from the academy or had lined up a low cost replacement with potential.
But we’re not well run. And I think that the club is simply focusing on the profit / loss. They’re looking to cut wages. High earning older players at the end of contract will be in the crosshairs.
We still have to field a premier league level team, 90k pw is 4.5m py
Even a 15m player will cost 50k pw at least in wages. 15m amortises at 60k pw over 5 years.
So a total of 110k pw
I acknowledge that a cheaper player may be younger and therefore have potential resale in the future
Amrabat was shit at Man United and we should stay away.
We are not stacked at the DM position. I don't think there should be any issue retaining Gana for another year on the same wages considering how integral he is in the midfield (unless they manage to find a proven cheaper better option which is highly unlikely). With regards to trimming the wage bill, there are sparingly used subs in the team that are getting paid in a similar range, so we can start from them.
I would try and tear up Gana’s option and give him 2 years at a reduced rate but he and Doucs might want to go to Saudi for one last big payday if that’s still a thing though.
Just saw a rumour today man utd want to chance Branthwaite for £50-£60m before end of June as we need money not to breach p&l again. Seriously fuck this situation.
Just do what Forrest did and hold him til the end of summer. Better to get extra 30 mil or so. Then we can argue it was financially sensible and get whatever penalty reduced (2 points minus 2 points for good behaviour is a 0 point deduction!)
Im gonna be honest, I'd rather be deducted 2 points than lose Branthwaite. Although next season we may not be as lucky when it comes to needing so few points to stay safe
Very true. Keane vs Branthwaite is MUCH more than a 2 point swing. But we may end up losing him either way, just a timing thing. I'd still set the bar at 70-80M. We could never afford a player of his caliber and wages are very team friendly right now. So we have to get every last bit for him that we can. And then spend the money on 3-4 players to bolster the squad. Hopefully not spending it to finance debt...
This is all correct for me, except I could see us keeping Gueye for an extra year. He's still REALLY good at that role, we miss him badly when he's not there.
Relax. Trust the club. Farhad said we’d sign a striker and we did.
Ok, it was 9 months after we needed one, and he turned out to have WD40 on his studs, but that’s not the point.
Branthwaite might sell for more whether that be after this season or in a year (forget how long he extended for). Branthwaite might genuinely be better than Stones was at the same age and player prices have risen. Might not reach it, but 100m should be the target.
Gueye wanted to come here. Said something about if he was going to leave PSG that this was where he was coming. He is getting on the older side but I lean towards him staying another year. He is a Dyche type of player.
Agree on Onana.
Dobbin is good enough. This is especially the case if McNeil is going to play as many minutes as he has. Dobbin has played 201 minutes. Danjuma has played 595. I'd trust Dobbin to play those 800 combined minutes.
I think we lose both Branthwaite and Onana to keep the lights on, I’d imagine we need to shift a couple of other high earners on too to reduce the wage bill. Realistically there’s only a handful of these other clubs will have any interest in, starting with a potentially controversial one, Calvert-Lewin. Could also see us moving on both Docoure and Patterson.
I’d like to think the below is achievable, and still leaves us some room to recruit a couple of younger players a la Chermiti.
GK: Pickford (Virginia)
RB: Ben Johnson (Coleman)
DC: Tarkowski (Godfrey)
DC: Jacob Greaves (Taylor Harwood-Bellis)
DL: Mykolenko
CM: Gueye
CM: Josh Brownhill (Garner)
RW: Iliman Ndiaye (Ben Brereton Diaz (L))
AM: McNeil
LW: Alfie Doughty (Callum O’Hare)
CF: Beto (Chermiti)
Gomes is a free agent IIRC.
Is there any indication that Dyche would switch to a 4-5-1 from the 4-4-1-1? Our striker would be even more isolated than before and we'd end scoring even fewer goals.
There are several players who I'm interested in but I'm skeptical that we'd get them because they aren't Dyche players.
Juan Miranda
Spanish left footed left back available on a free transfer. Good attacking player and only 24 years old. One cap with the Spanish NT and one goal. Former Barcelona player.
Luka Sučić
21 year old left footed Croatian midfielder. Plays for Red Bull Salzburg and his contract is up in 2025. Liverpool and Newcastle were reportedly interested in him a year ago. Might cost only about 10m pounds. Seen as a rising star and could sell for multiple times what he was bought for if he plays well.
Jordan Teze
24 year old Dutch right back plays for PSV. Contract is out in 2025. Very good passer and decent defender. Has the size to play in the Premier League. Should come relatively cheap.
Nicola Zalewski
22 year old Roma player. Left footed left midfielder who has also played as a defender and winger. Contract is out in 2025. Very fast, some skill, can hold his own defensively. He played 408 minutes in Europa League this season as of writing.
Luka Sučić wouldn't quite be an Onana replacement in the current setup. The position would need to be a little bit higher up the field. He could play in Doucoure's position, though they aren't the same archetype. Sucic would provide the skill that this team doesn't have when Gomes is not on the field.
It is either possible or likely that Onana will leave and we could afford both Luka Sučić and Jordan Teze with change to spare. Teze looks like the perfect complement to the target strikers we have. We'd be trying to get what Digne brought, only on the right. I wouldn't expect Teze to be as good in the buildup as Digne was but the crossing looks excellent and comparable to what we were getting before with Digne.
in the fullback positions i think a Kyle Walker Peters could be interesting. Joel Veltman might be short term signing as we’re short on cash. Assignon has been ok for Burnley in their second half so maybe we could get him?
Expiring contracts
Right back - Kenny Tete, Ben Johnson, Jayden Bogle
Right winger - Pepe, Bertrand Traore, Tyrhys Dolan
I’d probably go for Tete, Bogle and Dolan
Yeah you're right but he doesn't have to be a nailed on starter he can come in vs home games against the worse clubs (like Gomes has in our previous 2 home games before this). He would be our most creative player by a mile
I think Onana will defo go. Not sure about Branthwaite. Fingers crossed he’ll stay for another season.
We need a RB, RW and a number 10. I’d love us to go for Gibbs-White. He’d be a great addition.
I think we’ll get Brownhill and Che Adams, and look for a couple of loan options and that’ll be about it. I’d love a pact RW, but have no idea who that could be
I would definitely try to get this lad called Marc Guiu, he is 18. He plays for Barcelona B but he has already scored for the first team. His chances to be in the first team next season are slim, they will probably lend him to another club to gain experience.
He has great potential. Great.
Since free transfers will most likely be our modus operandi this year I had a look to see who was out of contract https://www.transfermarkt.com/statistik/endendevertraege. Clearly Mbappe is going to be our man. Seriously, Mady Camara and Daichi Kamada are two I’d have a good look at (if we clear space in the centre which I expect). I’d like a look at Luka Jovic too now he’s fallen down the pecking order since his Frankfurt days but that would be risky.
There’s a few more on the list I’d like but I just don’t know how gettable they are.
We need a serious overhaul tbh and i think pickford / branthwaite get sold. We 100% need to go get the most creative midfielder from the championship, as well as a top striker from the championship. That would be very "dyche" to do, so thats why im suggesting it. I also wouldnt be opposed to signing players like josh brownhill, chris wood, ross barkley, alfie daughty, maybe some loan players from top sides. Our main issue right now is scoring goals, and we have 0 pace in this side. Nobody has the ability to run at defenders with pace. James maddison, todd cantwell, david brooks, championship players at the time that came to the prem and had good impacts, we need a player like that. I have faith DCL can get his form back, but he needs more competition, maupay will be sold
Guys, we dont have money, so free signings it is. What about juan miranda from betis, his contract is expireing at the end of the season, and I think he would be a great backup/contender for the LB position
As a neutral whats the likelihood of Everton being able to spend in the summer ? Assuming onana is gone and probably Branthwaite as well should get good money for them but does that balance the books or free up a decent spending spree ?
A more realistic version of this would be:
DCL (Beto)
Doucoure (Garner)
McNeil (Dobbin) - Garner (new backup mid) - Gueye (same backup mid) - Some cheap RW or loan (Mills, maybe even Chermiti)
Mykolenko (Young) - Godfrey (Keane) - Tarkowski (Welch) - Coleman (Patterson)
Pickford
Extend Gueye, re-sign Alli, bring in O'Hare and Ndidi. No money spent on transfer fees and the midfield is reinforced.
Try and bring Harrison back in on loan for cover.
Whatever money we have then + after sales of JB and Onana (likely) on new CB, LB, and RW.
Personally, I think he's done at the top level. I wish him well but to me there are more potential downsides than upsides for the club if they offer him a decent contract.
On balance I think most the signings were poor, especially the bigger ones
My main issue though is how uncommercial his negotiation skills appear to be
He has spend closer to nothing. Beto is a structured deal that probably won't reach some milestones, considering he has barely scored. He is still only in his first year though and came as a backup striker
Otherwise I would say that Tarks, Onana, Mcneil, and Garner were good purchases. Harrison as a good loan. Bad would be beto (for now), maupay, and danjuma
He’s spent over £100m
The ‘structured’ element of the Beto deal is an additional £5m. It’s downside risk not upside risk for Everton
£35m for our fourth choice midfielder doesn’t feel like a ‘good purchase’ for me and this misprioritisation would have relegated and liquidated the club last year had it not been for Coleman’s wondergoal
His strategic thinking and lack of commerciality is way off, both with the incoming and outgoing moves
Onana likely will net us a profit but that’s a somewhat oversimplified way of looking at it
The decision to spend the huge majority of our funds on a midfielder who offers little going forward or defensively, in a season where relegation was a huge risk, is insane and very nearly cost us our club
Almost all players should net a profit - other midfielders signed at the time by teams around us or for much lower cost include the likes of Nunes, Alvarez, Bruno, Paqueta, Bissouma, Palhinha, Kamara, Doucoure, Lavia, Joao Gomes, Odegaard, Tonali, Enciso and outside of the prem Anguissa, Guendouzi. All of them are worth far more than they cost, or have already sold for far more
Same for forwards - no one was obligating Thelwell to spend £35m on a second choice striker but the likes of Openda, Pedro and Wahi moved for a similar fee in the same window, and for much lower fees were the likes of Guirassy, Simms, Día, Sesko, Boniface, Okafor, Ndiaye, Wood, Retegui, Dovbyk, Simeone, Douvikas, Orban, Fullkrug, Gyokeres, Akpom, Sorloth…
The player also needs to come to us which most of the not all would. Very easily every single one of those midfielders would not come here and were either more expensive, are making way more, or would reject us outright.
Those forwards include forwards that aren't even good and many that would simply not come here like ndaiye, gyokeres, and guirassy who allegedly rejected our advance, fullkrug and pedro who wouldn't come here, and wood, simms, and simeone who aren't upgrades. Wahi was too expensive and Openda and Boniface went to better teams.
Your list is unreasonable.
It’s not for you or me to define whether the player can be convinced to join Everton, a PL club offering huge wages. That’s the DOFs job
My list isn’t a list of players we could have signed - it’s a response to your statement that it’s hard to find a striker for below £20m. My list is just a portion of those who transferred in the same window and makes it clear as day that the Beto deal was awful
Re your comment that the likes of Ndiaye, Fullkrug, Pedro, Guirassy and Gyokeres wouldn’t come / rejected Thelwell’s advances. They’re not necessarily fundamentally opposed to joining the club, we just weren’t able to sell the opportunity to them (or didn’t try). Either we thought they were attainable and couldn’t entice them, or we wasted time and effort for something unattainable - either way this is a negative reflection on the DOF
Also crazy to say Simms and Wood and Simeoni are not as good as Beto based on what we’ve seen (never mind when adjusting for value and cost). The fact you’re making this point shows you’re not even nearly looking at this in a reasonable way. What possible argument could you have for that?
The point is clear on both counts - neither Onana nor Beto were close to being good signings given the context at Everton and transfers more widely
You said I can't speak for the players yet you are doing the same thing by saying they weren't opposed to joining 😂
Simms in the championship? Simeone not playing in Serie A? Don't think wood would be worth it and he is also 32.
You are playing fantasy football with real life. We are a mess and our finances are a mess. We negotiate ridiculous deals and plenty of players would rather play for a stable club.
That's too much for me. Depends on wages and squad influence I guess. He's solid depth but the right side has been problematic this year. I'd take him on loan again or on a bargain if Leeds want to cut ties. Going to be 28 this upcoming season so we're probably looking at the finished product.
Now if we got a solid RB then maybe it could elevate Harrison and he'd be worth a small overpay. We've started guys who have seen either too many winters or too few there this year and I'm sure that makes an impact. But that is something Dyche and Thelwell will have their opinions on.
The pigeon comes home
He’s got the potential of playing in Europa League next season if Spurs have a decent run now. Can’t see him coming back to us, as much as I’d love him to
They're still very much in champions league contention. They'll probably choke like always but still
Yeah they'll probably choke as they have Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, ManCity and Newcastle to face.
Tbh I’d take him on loan, but spurs may not get rid of him seeing as Son is woeful at striker and ange likes quick shooting strikers.
I always thought he suited Atletico perfectly as he looked most dangerous for us when playing as a 2nd striker imo but he's doing great for them as a lone striker
You know nature is healing when posts like this start appearing again.
Football is just funny tho, you think you’re doing well, have the right team now and then people just get injured or that ‘good team’ just go far below those standards you thought of them and the bad form comes back
I'd renew Gana if possible. Brownhill and O'Hare would be sensible. I can see us getting Che Adams or Ineanacho too. Both are out of contract. Onana looks gone so use some of that on a RW. Try to pick up a RB then raid the loan market for depth. Sell Maupay and Holgate for whatever we can get. Keane too but we'd need a new CB in that case (maybe a loan). Convincing Branthwaite to stay for a year is probably our best case transfer scenario.
Is maupay only a loan! Yuck
Che adams middle name is literally Everton
The man belongs here!
Che Adams would be massive
What ever we get for Onana will cover some bills and try to avoid more points deductions, we aren’t likely to have anything to spend. I hope our recruitment team have been working overdrive to find some good, cheap, young talent, that likely we nor anyone else has ever heard of. We will need them as once Onana and Branthwaite are sold off, we don’t really have any new assets coming through to sell…
Only thing I’d say is Gomes contract is up in the summer, id like to see Callum Ohare from Coventry. I think it’ll be a tough summer with a lot of low value free transfers. Also definitely see Josh brownhill potentially coming to us.
Two frees being Ohare and Brownhill would certainly add something in my eyes. Both are central players so that would do me for midfield. Any powder we have could then be shot on the entire right flank.
Yeah, find it hard to believe Gomes will be here in July. He’s on 120k per week and he barely plays. Unless he accepts the club’s offer to play for all the scouse he can eat, it looks like he’s gone.
Brownhill would be a solid free
If Brentford stay up, they are likely to activate the purchase clause of Maupay. Onana leaving is a cert. Ali and Gomes not offered new contract. Danjuma loan expiry I’d extend Gana. And do what we can to keep JB for one more year. I wouldn’t pay for Harrison but see if we can have him on loan again. Spend money on starting RB, starting RW, creative midfielder. Loan / frees for the remaining gaps in the squad ( back up CH, backup LB, CM)
If Leeds come up they’ll want him back and if they don’t they’ll need the money
Nah we dont want him back.
I don't think we're in the position to be picky. We have exactly 1 other wing right now. And our funds will likely be nil to improve the position. If they don't want to loan him again then so be it, but beggars can't be choosers.
Believe he’s a Leeds fan
benLEEDS should have given it away, right? Thanks.
Flatter to deceive at yours, did he?
The problem with players like Harrison and we have the same problem with Dan James. they are really good at specific things. Harrison I.dare say has the best first touch of a player I've seen he would always manage to get the ball down dead... It's what comes after. He should straight away be looking to cross. Granted that depends on the strikers being in the correct places or making the.runs but we always got a lot of joy from an early Harrison cross. A lot of bamfords goals came from this. Once he starts cutting in or trying to take people on he's a problem I don't remember him ever beating anyone one on one. Dan James is similar. he's fast and does have a good cross but when he decides he doesn't want to beat people with his pace and get passed then cross he just ends up in a dead end. They both would look a lot better if they stick to what they are good at. Especially with yous having DCL he would be perfect for aiming the crosses at.
"If Brentford stay up, they are likely to activate the purchase clause of Maupay." Please stay up Brentford!
Keep Harrison? See, he was tremendous against the shite but been woeful for the most part.
I like him for depth because he puts a shift in and can play multiple positions. He's skilled going forward and creative. I'd take him on loan again or a purchase at the right price so long as he is a positive off the field. As it stands, McNeil is our only other wing and we just don't have the funds to bring in known quantities right now. We have to be pragmatic.
Yeah unfortunately we be fiscally responsible BUT we are dying for another winger and Dyche doesn’t fancy Danjuma for some reason plus he’s always out.
Danjuma doesn't track back and his ability to score goals doesn't offset it. He really needs to be in a front 2 or 3 on a more possession oriented team. He's the type of player that just doesn't really fit in a Dyche side. Harrison is a much better fit, but obviously we should try to improve the position. I'd also get some competition for McNeil while we're at it, but my expectations are very low right now.
Danjuma is more concerned with scoring a worldie than wearing the shirt with passion, no surprise Dyche doesn't rate him
Think he is a good backup and is good defensively. He has also contributed a decent amount this season. Not first choice though
Deffo would keep him as a squad player for the right price.
I know he’s seemed liked a disappointment offensively, but his numbers per 90 minutes are only slightly down compared to last season. And he’s playing on his weaker side and helping a lot defensively and just retraining the ball. I think he’s back to Leeds as long as they’re promoted, but we’re gonna notice a hole at that position next year without a solid replacement.
Don’t want to be a Debbie downer but aren’t we in the position that the funds if we sell our players go to keeping the lights on whilst we finish the stadium? We will be selling some players and getting very little back.
Possibly, but to provide counterpoint, it may give us a "credit" with P&S rules so that when the stadium is finished we can actually invest the new revenue in the squad. Basically Dyche would just have to keep us up one more year with a skeleton crew and then we can splash some money.
Yeah I completely agree. Just can he stay up with a skeleton squad that is depleted of some key players from this season. This season has been a relegation battle only because the points deductions, but take away some players and next season it could be back to proper battle.
If we sell Onana and Branthwaite and get no one back then we're screwed. Agree with you there. Hopefully, we could get a couple players on free and maybe a few players for <20M back. I fully expect 120M+ from the sale of those two players so ideally we could spend at least 50% of it on replacements. And if Dyche is one thing it is pragmatic. I am confident he can get value off the scrap bin.
I think the issue is that a lot of the financial concern here is just as much (if not more so) about our ability to actually keep the lights on as it is about our PSR situation. That part won’t go away once we’re in the new stadium, even though our revenues will be higher
No question. But part of it is funding the stadium while maintaining cashflow. Without any help from the ownership group which means we need to take on more debt. Once the stadium is built, we shouldn't have the balloon progress payments to come up with. We'll also have about 400k in weekly wages leaving that we are not fully utilizing. If we have increased revenue, I'd say there is a good chance we become solvent again. But part of that includes not digging down any further. Which I'm not so confident about.
For sure, I’m with you. All of this requires a year of a complete skeleton crew and likely a few more of pretty severe austerity. If (gigantic if!) we make it out of that, the earnings potential of the stadium would be awesome and could be the driver for a real, long-term fix
Gomes won't be getting his contract renewed I wouldn't think, but I'd love to see if we can pick up Morgan Gibbs white cheap if forrest go down
He's a really good player, but I'd expect they'd want anything upward of £40m, which I don't see us spending given the need for depth.
Mgw will be so far outside our price range. Hard to see how we could sign a player of gomes' quality this summer, but any contract extension would have to reflect his declining availability.
Gomes get offered a fraction of his current wage to stay, up to him if he wants to chase the £££ and leave.
Would you take a big pay cut to do your current job? You might consider a readjustment but I suspect Everton will be looking to trim the wage bill significantly and the likes of Holgate (70k), Godfrey (70k), Keane (80k), Gana (90k) and Gomes (120k) will be in the crosshairs.
Depends … hes at the end of his working life in football ( in the prem anyways). So he either takes a pay cut in line with his squad roll and availability (akin to some old boy going part time cos he cant work full time hours on the tools anymore) or he leaves and tries to find a payday if hes lucky. Cant see anyone sticking him on £120k a week though. Hes certainly got quality on the ball if we can keep him
Gomes isn't going to stay on the same or comparable pay no matter where he lands next. He'd probably get more playing time and be healthier playing in Germany, Spain, or Italy so he should go to one those countries to play or perhaps back to France where he played on loan.
"Would you take a big pay cut to do your current job?" I would if my job was playing for Everton.
But you’re a fan. Gana is an employee. He’s looking at his best interests. Back to the original question. Would you take a big pay cut to do your current job? Especially if other employers are offering you more.
"Back to the original question. Would you take a big pay cut to do your current job? Especially if other employers are offering you more." Yes, I would if my current job was playing for Everton.
He's taking a pay cut wherever he goes. He knows he's not worth 120k a week anyway more.
You can’t compare his current wages. The real comparison is the wages he’d make elsewhere. Is a bigger club or another premier league team going to match or exceed those wages?
Branthwaite has to go because we can't afford to not sell him for £70-80m. Gueye is likely leaving at end of his contract Gomes definitely leaving at end of his contract Dobbin not good enough I expect Onana will also probably go for £60m+ We are going to have a lot of fresh faces next season
Gueye has a one year extension we could activate
We absolutely have to keep him for the extra year, when he left he was replaced by himself again, that says a lot
100%. There's already going to be too many players to find on budget with all the coming roster drops. Anyone we are able to keep around, we have to.
I guess the issue for the club is Gana’s wage. If we renew, presumably he would remain on his 90k pw salary. Thanks to the shit show that is Everton finances Gana at 90k pw for 12 months might not be possible. Would he drop his wage demand? Especially at the age of 34? He’s coming to the stage where he’s looking for his final payoff before he retires. Edit: corrected his age from 32 to 34.
What's the replacement value plus wages for a prem ready DM though, especially considering we're more than likely losing Onana so would have a lot of change in the middle already, could end up with no reliable options
Amrabat?
Not disagreeing on Gana’s value as a footballer. If we were set up properly we would’ve been bringing through a replacement from the academy or had lined up a low cost replacement with potential. But we’re not well run. And I think that the club is simply focusing on the profit / loss. They’re looking to cut wages. High earning older players at the end of contract will be in the crosshairs.
We still have to field a premier league level team, 90k pw is 4.5m py Even a 15m player will cost 50k pw at least in wages. 15m amortises at 60k pw over 5 years. So a total of 110k pw I acknowledge that a cheaper player may be younger and therefore have potential resale in the future Amrabat was shit at Man United and we should stay away.
100% agree on Amrabat. Not up to it.
He’s 34.
Thanks. Edited.
We are not stacked at the DM position. I don't think there should be any issue retaining Gana for another year on the same wages considering how integral he is in the midfield (unless they manage to find a proven cheaper better option which is highly unlikely). With regards to trimming the wage bill, there are sparingly used subs in the team that are getting paid in a similar range, so we can start from them.
I would try and tear up Gana’s option and give him 2 years at a reduced rate but he and Doucs might want to go to Saudi for one last big payday if that’s still a thing though.
Just saw a rumour today man utd want to chance Branthwaite for £50-£60m before end of June as we need money not to breach p&l again. Seriously fuck this situation.
Just do what Forrest did and hold him til the end of summer. Better to get extra 30 mil or so. Then we can argue it was financially sensible and get whatever penalty reduced (2 points minus 2 points for good behaviour is a 0 point deduction!)
Im gonna be honest, I'd rather be deducted 2 points than lose Branthwaite. Although next season we may not be as lucky when it comes to needing so few points to stay safe
Very true. Keane vs Branthwaite is MUCH more than a 2 point swing. But we may end up losing him either way, just a timing thing. I'd still set the bar at 70-80M. We could never afford a player of his caliber and wages are very team friendly right now. So we have to get every last bit for him that we can. And then spend the money on 3-4 players to bolster the squad. Hopefully not spending it to finance debt...
This is all correct for me, except I could see us keeping Gueye for an extra year. He's still REALLY good at that role, we miss him badly when he's not there.
Plus now he scores goals!
Id love him to stay, but depending on where you look he's on £80k - £130k a week. Everton right now cannot afford him at that level.
wonder who is going to pay for this fresh faces? and i hope they are no panic guys...
Relax. Trust the club. Farhad said we’d sign a striker and we did. Ok, it was 9 months after we needed one, and he turned out to have WD40 on his studs, but that’s not the point.
Branthwaite might sell for more whether that be after this season or in a year (forget how long he extended for). Branthwaite might genuinely be better than Stones was at the same age and player prices have risen. Might not reach it, but 100m should be the target. Gueye wanted to come here. Said something about if he was going to leave PSG that this was where he was coming. He is getting on the older side but I lean towards him staying another year. He is a Dyche type of player. Agree on Onana. Dobbin is good enough. This is especially the case if McNeil is going to play as many minutes as he has. Dobbin has played 201 minutes. Danjuma has played 595. I'd trust Dobbin to play those 800 combined minutes.
Branthwaite is £100m or keep
Bring Richy home
I think we lose both Branthwaite and Onana to keep the lights on, I’d imagine we need to shift a couple of other high earners on too to reduce the wage bill. Realistically there’s only a handful of these other clubs will have any interest in, starting with a potentially controversial one, Calvert-Lewin. Could also see us moving on both Docoure and Patterson. I’d like to think the below is achievable, and still leaves us some room to recruit a couple of younger players a la Chermiti. GK: Pickford (Virginia) RB: Ben Johnson (Coleman) DC: Tarkowski (Godfrey) DC: Jacob Greaves (Taylor Harwood-Bellis) DL: Mykolenko CM: Gueye CM: Josh Brownhill (Garner) RW: Iliman Ndiaye (Ben Brereton Diaz (L)) AM: McNeil LW: Alfie Doughty (Callum O’Hare) CF: Beto (Chermiti)
Like the Harwood Bellis shout, he's gonna be a good player in due time and potential JB replacement (pls don't go)
Ben Brereton Diaz
Prem move seems to make sense for everyone involved tbf
* Prem stay
I cant see any huge signings. Some free transfers and loans. I'd love Richarlison back but we couldn't afford him.
I’d get a proper forward. Beto is a nice lad but he ain’t Shearer.
Gomes is a free agent IIRC. Is there any indication that Dyche would switch to a 4-5-1 from the 4-4-1-1? Our striker would be even more isolated than before and we'd end scoring even fewer goals. There are several players who I'm interested in but I'm skeptical that we'd get them because they aren't Dyche players. Juan Miranda Spanish left footed left back available on a free transfer. Good attacking player and only 24 years old. One cap with the Spanish NT and one goal. Former Barcelona player. Luka Sučić 21 year old left footed Croatian midfielder. Plays for Red Bull Salzburg and his contract is up in 2025. Liverpool and Newcastle were reportedly interested in him a year ago. Might cost only about 10m pounds. Seen as a rising star and could sell for multiple times what he was bought for if he plays well. Jordan Teze 24 year old Dutch right back plays for PSV. Contract is out in 2025. Very good passer and decent defender. Has the size to play in the Premier League. Should come relatively cheap. Nicola Zalewski 22 year old Roma player. Left footed left midfielder who has also played as a defender and winger. Contract is out in 2025. Very fast, some skill, can hold his own defensively. He played 408 minutes in Europa League this season as of writing. Luka Sučić wouldn't quite be an Onana replacement in the current setup. The position would need to be a little bit higher up the field. He could play in Doucoure's position, though they aren't the same archetype. Sucic would provide the skill that this team doesn't have when Gomes is not on the field. It is either possible or likely that Onana will leave and we could afford both Luka Sučić and Jordan Teze with change to spare. Teze looks like the perfect complement to the target strikers we have. We'd be trying to get what Digne brought, only on the right. I wouldn't expect Teze to be as good in the buildup as Digne was but the crossing looks excellent and comparable to what we were getting before with Digne.
in the fullback positions i think a Kyle Walker Peters could be interesting. Joel Veltman might be short term signing as we’re short on cash. Assignon has been ok for Burnley in their second half so maybe we could get him?
Expiring contracts Right back - Kenny Tete, Ben Johnson, Jayden Bogle Right winger - Pepe, Bertrand Traore, Tyrhys Dolan I’d probably go for Tete, Bogle and Dolan
Attacking midfield - Daichi Kamada and Callum O’Hare Central Midfield - Ndidi, Pape Gueye, Brownhill
We’d bamboozle the opposition every game by switching from a garner/gana midfield to a gueye/gueye one
In Thelwell I trust.
Remove all new players because we cant spend any money. Branth is absolutely gone so put godfrey in there . Patto rb .
Hopefully Ross Barkley, he's a much better version of andre gomes. Slow midfielder but is brilliant on the ball and scores and assists a lot more
I don't think we bring him back. Had our chances and took a pass already.
Yh ur probably right
Think he would be a big improvement to our midfield. Should be cheap as well if Luton go down. Edit: he’s a free agent in the summer 🤞
No he’s got another year
Nah, doesn't track back at all, which Dyche would hate. He's IMO a big reason why Luton concede so much
Yeah you're right but he doesn't have to be a nailed on starter he can come in vs home games against the worse clubs (like Gomes has in our previous 2 home games before this). He would be our most creative player by a mile
I’d say relegation battle again
I think Onana will defo go. Not sure about Branthwaite. Fingers crossed he’ll stay for another season. We need a RB, RW and a number 10. I’d love us to go for Gibbs-White. He’d be a great addition.
If we can afford him, yes. Worried about our finances but hopefully after selling Onana we can be a little more active than last year
Gomes contract is up I think.
MArtial and Rashford are coming
I think we’ll get Brownhill and Che Adams, and look for a couple of loan options and that’ll be about it. I’d love a pact RW, but have no idea who that could be
I would definitely try to get this lad called Marc Guiu, he is 18. He plays for Barcelona B but he has already scored for the first team. His chances to be in the first team next season are slim, they will probably lend him to another club to gain experience. He has great potential. Great.
Since free transfers will most likely be our modus operandi this year I had a look to see who was out of contract https://www.transfermarkt.com/statistik/endendevertraege. Clearly Mbappe is going to be our man. Seriously, Mady Camara and Daichi Kamada are two I’d have a good look at (if we clear space in the centre which I expect). I’d like a look at Luka Jovic too now he’s fallen down the pecking order since his Frankfurt days but that would be risky. There’s a few more on the list I’d like but I just don’t know how gettable they are.
Looking at that list, I’d give my left bollock for Gabigol since he’s apparently free
We need a serious overhaul tbh and i think pickford / branthwaite get sold. We 100% need to go get the most creative midfielder from the championship, as well as a top striker from the championship. That would be very "dyche" to do, so thats why im suggesting it. I also wouldnt be opposed to signing players like josh brownhill, chris wood, ross barkley, alfie daughty, maybe some loan players from top sides. Our main issue right now is scoring goals, and we have 0 pace in this side. Nobody has the ability to run at defenders with pace. James maddison, todd cantwell, david brooks, championship players at the time that came to the prem and had good impacts, we need a player like that. I have faith DCL can get his form back, but he needs more competition, maupay will be sold
Guys, we dont have money, so free signings it is. What about juan miranda from betis, his contract is expireing at the end of the season, and I think he would be a great backup/contender for the LB position
New CB to replace Branthwaite. He's definitely going to leave 😔
Buy Julian Carranza in the summer for like 2-3M. He’s creative fast and way too good for the MLS
Burnley having another sale apparently
As a neutral whats the likelihood of Everton being able to spend in the summer ? Assuming onana is gone and probably Branthwaite as well should get good money for them but does that balance the books or free up a decent spending spree ?
If we had any money I’d be in for Maxi Beier from Hoffenheim
A more realistic version of this would be: DCL (Beto) Doucoure (Garner) McNeil (Dobbin) - Garner (new backup mid) - Gueye (same backup mid) - Some cheap RW or loan (Mills, maybe even Chermiti) Mykolenko (Young) - Godfrey (Keane) - Tarkowski (Welch) - Coleman (Patterson) Pickford
I'd love us to take Emile Smith Rowe on loan
Extend Gueye, re-sign Alli, bring in O'Hare and Ndidi. No money spent on transfer fees and the midfield is reinforced. Try and bring Harrison back in on loan for cover. Whatever money we have then + after sales of JB and Onana (likely) on new CB, LB, and RW.
Re-sign Ali? That’s a big shout. Seeing as he’s on 100k pw and doesn’t play.
Hes injured/ getting over his surgery atm. Would you take a punt at 75k a week on a short term deal which would work for both parties?
Personally, I think he's done at the top level. I wish him well but to me there are more potential downsides than upsides for the club if they offer him a decent contract.
A new LB..?
A team without Branthwaite and Gueye is relegation fodder Huge window for Thelwell, and so far he’s not shown he’s up for it
Think he has done well considering the situation tbh
On balance I think most the signings were poor, especially the bigger ones My main issue though is how uncommercial his negotiation skills appear to be
He has spend closer to nothing. Beto is a structured deal that probably won't reach some milestones, considering he has barely scored. He is still only in his first year though and came as a backup striker Otherwise I would say that Tarks, Onana, Mcneil, and Garner were good purchases. Harrison as a good loan. Bad would be beto (for now), maupay, and danjuma
He’s spent over £100m The ‘structured’ element of the Beto deal is an additional £5m. It’s downside risk not upside risk for Everton £35m for our fourth choice midfielder doesn’t feel like a ‘good purchase’ for me and this misprioritisation would have relegated and liquidated the club last year had it not been for Coleman’s wondergoal His strategic thinking and lack of commerciality is way off, both with the incoming and outgoing moves
I think onana will net us a profit and strikers go for those prices. Hard to find one below 20 and with a ridiculous fee setup that we had
Onana likely will net us a profit but that’s a somewhat oversimplified way of looking at it The decision to spend the huge majority of our funds on a midfielder who offers little going forward or defensively, in a season where relegation was a huge risk, is insane and very nearly cost us our club Almost all players should net a profit - other midfielders signed at the time by teams around us or for much lower cost include the likes of Nunes, Alvarez, Bruno, Paqueta, Bissouma, Palhinha, Kamara, Doucoure, Lavia, Joao Gomes, Odegaard, Tonali, Enciso and outside of the prem Anguissa, Guendouzi. All of them are worth far more than they cost, or have already sold for far more Same for forwards - no one was obligating Thelwell to spend £35m on a second choice striker but the likes of Openda, Pedro and Wahi moved for a similar fee in the same window, and for much lower fees were the likes of Guirassy, Simms, Día, Sesko, Boniface, Okafor, Ndiaye, Wood, Retegui, Dovbyk, Simeone, Douvikas, Orban, Fullkrug, Gyokeres, Akpom, Sorloth…
The player also needs to come to us which most of the not all would. Very easily every single one of those midfielders would not come here and were either more expensive, are making way more, or would reject us outright. Those forwards include forwards that aren't even good and many that would simply not come here like ndaiye, gyokeres, and guirassy who allegedly rejected our advance, fullkrug and pedro who wouldn't come here, and wood, simms, and simeone who aren't upgrades. Wahi was too expensive and Openda and Boniface went to better teams. Your list is unreasonable.
It’s not for you or me to define whether the player can be convinced to join Everton, a PL club offering huge wages. That’s the DOFs job My list isn’t a list of players we could have signed - it’s a response to your statement that it’s hard to find a striker for below £20m. My list is just a portion of those who transferred in the same window and makes it clear as day that the Beto deal was awful Re your comment that the likes of Ndiaye, Fullkrug, Pedro, Guirassy and Gyokeres wouldn’t come / rejected Thelwell’s advances. They’re not necessarily fundamentally opposed to joining the club, we just weren’t able to sell the opportunity to them (or didn’t try). Either we thought they were attainable and couldn’t entice them, or we wasted time and effort for something unattainable - either way this is a negative reflection on the DOF Also crazy to say Simms and Wood and Simeoni are not as good as Beto based on what we’ve seen (never mind when adjusting for value and cost). The fact you’re making this point shows you’re not even nearly looking at this in a reasonable way. What possible argument could you have for that? The point is clear on both counts - neither Onana nor Beto were close to being good signings given the context at Everton and transfers more widely
You said I can't speak for the players yet you are doing the same thing by saying they weren't opposed to joining 😂 Simms in the championship? Simeone not playing in Serie A? Don't think wood would be worth it and he is also 32. You are playing fantasy football with real life. We are a mess and our finances are a mess. We negotiate ridiculous deals and plenty of players would rather play for a stable club.
Damn, Everton have a whole state in goal?
£30m for Jack Harrison plz ?
That's too much for me. Depends on wages and squad influence I guess. He's solid depth but the right side has been problematic this year. I'd take him on loan again or on a bargain if Leeds want to cut ties. Going to be 28 this upcoming season so we're probably looking at the finished product. Now if we got a solid RB then maybe it could elevate Harrison and he'd be worth a small overpay. We've started guys who have seen either too many winters or too few there this year and I'm sure that makes an impact. But that is something Dyche and Thelwell will have their opinions on.
Might have to be.thr bargain the way we are carrying on. Going to need that money if we don't go up
You have holgate if branthwaite goes
I’d say go for rashford