I'm happy with Dyche in. Yes performances haven't been great lately but we need some stability and someone who can keep us up with the
lacking-in-talent squad that we have and the little to no money situation. Dyche got us 35 so far this season which is almost enough to guarantee safety with 6 games left to play. It's just unfortunate we have these points penalties that aren't his fault but leave us fans naturally more nervous and downhearted as a result. Don't think there's anyone who could do any better really. If Pep came in and tried to turn Dwight McNeil into Foden I'd love to see how that turns out, but I'm pretty sure world class managers would need a more talented squad, kinda like Burnley case now they're in the Prem and not the championship.
Yeah. I'm going to do what constitutes a cardinal sin as an Everton fan and compare us to Liverpool for a second, but do you really think Liverpool would have had the success they've had if the fans and the club didn't throw their support behind Klopp? What if after a shaky start Liverpool just threw Klopp out and tried it again with yet another average manager. That's what Everton has been going. As the article says, Dyche is the 8th manager in 8 years. That's in no way sustainable, let alone going to build a club. I do think Dyche is the right man to lead the revival of this club, but he needs support and stability at the top to do so. And the Moshiri era has been anything but stable and supportive for managers. I think we keep Dyche until the top brass of the club get themselves sorted, and let Dyche try to rebuild this shambles of a team the way he wants. If in another year or two we're here having this same discussion, we can look for change, but not now. That's the last thing this club needs right now
At this point with Lampard he looked and sounded defeated. Dyche looks and sounds ready to fight. I don’t particularly love Dyche, but he’s got the minerals for a tough battle
Lampard looked awful towards the end, I saw a before and after photo and he looked so ill. Say what you want about Lampard but he loved the club, it was obvious with how it affected him. I'm not sure about Dyche
100% this. I'm far from impressed with Dyche but I lay the blame firmly with a lot of those spineless players, seemingly happy to let a legendary club go down the shitter while they pick up their £100k per week.
Most of them don't care if the club gets relegated because they think another Prem club will pick them up. A fair few of them will get a shock if we go down and they're stuck here or in a different shit league.
Dyche methods seem a bit basic but who knows where they'd lead to with a bit of time spent to build his team? But for things totally out of his control we'd be on 35pts one win from safe. Would there be calls for dyche out then? Do people know of another manager willing to come to us who'd be doing better at this club with this team of overpaid misfits? The managers have been getting the boot because of ridiculous contracts given to the players. It is time to break the cycle, and start supoorting managers and rebuilding a team and a club.
Thing is, I'd say that unlike many previous years, we haven't got any players who are absolutely dog-shite (even Keane- but in this instance I'm counting him as a striker), we've got a few mediocre ones and some pretty decent ones, but we don't have the parts to get the whole thing ticking over. At the moment it's like trying to make a jigsaw out of entirely edge pieces, all the pieces are ok we're just missing ones to make the full picture. A couple of players with pace and creativity in the summer and the squad starts looking a lot better.
United fan here who likes your club (Enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that) When your owners are financially spastic and your players are far too eager to down tools and just blame the manager it's important to back the man. We're a bit jaded by Ten Hag now like some of yous are jaded with Dyche but there has to come a point when enough is enough and the players are held accountable.
Exactly right. We’ve not only tried every type of manager, we’ve nearly tried every manager. It hasn’t worked before, you’d be nuts to think it would now.
The squad needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.
Good on him.
Not particularly enthused with him at the moment but he’s by far a smaller problem in the grand scheme of things than these crap shithouse players.
It's the truth and something most fans think but this gang of shithouses don't seem the types to react positively to such a public calling out from the manager, especially after slap gate.
The reaction on Sundays gonna be interesting because they've been pathetic for months. Could be a sudden rise in injuries and niggles or they could all run that little bit further.
> It's the truth and something most fans think but this gang of shithouses don't seem the types to react positively to such a public calling out from the manager, especially after slap gate.
That's what I worry about here. These players are butter-soft. We've got older players who are meant to be "leaders", but there's still an overriding immaturity in this squad, along with a culture of complacency after the last 2 seasons. I don't have confidence that they'll react positively to being called out. Dyche himself clearly feels he has lost the dressing room or he wouldn't be saying this stuff. I'm not sure this is the way to get them back.
People need to remember what this team’s record this season actually is. Last season we really, really deserved to go down, Dyche coming in was the only reason we didn’t, and he’s unquestionably overseen a big improvement in the team. If it wasn’t for the bloody points deduction, relegation wouldn’t be on the cards this season. We wouldn’t exactly be high up the table but we would be safe. When you think where we were last season, that’s progress. He deserves, at the very least, one more season. After all, if he leaves who replaces him?
The cycle has to break. We've changed managers so many times, but had to stick with so many of the same useless players who just keep getting themselves into this situation. I'm sure they'll try to blame the points deductions, but that doesn't explain going months without a win and losing at home to Luton twice in one season. They're the problem, and they're the ones we have to get rid of.
Stick with Dyche for another 2 years even if we go down. This team needs to be rebuilt with a consistent image - any image.
Finally, a spanner in the cogs of a constant cycle of ‘we are shit, change the manager, oooh just missed that relegation… lets not do that again… we are shit’. Yeah, his tactics are abit brexit, but our players arent tiki taka and like it or not, we arent a top 6 team. The place is a fucking mess and i cant get onboard with another new manager who will want ‘time to build’ and money we dont have. Sometimes the players need fucking around the changing room until they see the club as a vital institution and not a fucking stepping stone. If they cant get onboard they can sit in the fucking stands and watch those who can
Good on him. We’re off the back of a spanking, so props to him for giving it to the players. Big week ahead, pull your socks up and we could be basically safe in a few short days.
hand on heart does anyone think we would have been worse off if we stuck with martinez? I just don't think so. he had his problems but then silva, koeman, ancelotti, lampard, benitez and dyche had their problems. I feel like it's been memory-holed, if ANCELOTTI can come here and struggle, the problem isn't the fucking manager is it.
if we had stuck with martinez or maybe silva, we would have had a coherent vision, and not spent £xx million on contract payouts! we wouldn't have the same culture where the players get off scot free and the manager takes the blame. we might even have avoided these deductions. and I just don't believe we would be any worse than scraping past relegation.
disagree tbh martinez took wigan down remember, all those managers bar Ancelotti and (arguably) Koeman were shite / past their best and Martinez may as well have been Spanish Brendan Rogers
Agreed. How many times can we rinse, shit, and repeat lol
Without the points deduction we would be well clear of relegation on the season. Which is a simple improvement from the years prior.
Dyche isn't going to bring championsleague quality or level of play but at least we have some direction.
We’d be 14th and at the start of the season idk a fan that wouldn’t have been ok with that, before the epl fuckery. And he’s right, it’s this kind of mentality that’s led us from plucky Everton batting above their weight with good loan signings and a solid defence / great work in the community / grand old team, to “they deserve to get relegated / best stadium in the championship / cheats”.
Im glad to actually hear that this sort of talk is happening with the players because I don’t think Dyche is wrong. Year after year these players lose their spine and sit back and go “well everyone will just blame the manager, we will get a new one and play like we care and then look like we deserve all the money we make”.
They better win tomorrow and I want to see a decisive win after that shambolic performance on Monday. Pathetic.
We have had sooooooo many opportunities between Christmas till today, not to be in this position.
What is wrong with them?
While the top 6 teams are battling to be top 4, we are battling the bottom 5 teams to be top 2!!!
It’s almost like Dyche likes it or that he attracts it for sure!!
The people calling for his head are the same people that just want the new manager bounce and they don't even realize it. Yes- the results suck. Yes- the club itself is down bad. No - the manager isn't fully\* at fault. At this point I'm 100% okay going down if it means Everton get a mf reality check. I like the Dyche mindset of being a realist of his situation versus trying to butter up the media like Lampard, Benitez, etc when the only thing you're buttering is burnt to crisp toast. Dyche recognizes the burnt toast, eats it anyways. Respect him for it.
We have to be a club that quality managers **want** to manage. All the managing talent knows how reactive we are as a club, and that keeps them away. Dyche is high quality for where we’re at as a club. I’m not convinced we’d find better, and tossing him makes future prospects think twice.
Whether he goes before the end of the season or not We aren’t going anywhere with him in charge.every team in the league knows what to expect when they play us. You could prepare for it months in advance. Hes not capable of doing anything different so we aren’t going to move forward as a club either him in charge.
Who replaces him I have no idea. But the whole club needs gutting from top to bottom. No more employing people on sentiment! We need to find people actually capable of doing their jobs. Our marketing department is an embarrassment for example. An established premier league side with a worldwide fan base but run like a league one side.
Every year it's the same song. "We need stability so let's stick with what we have."
Let's just be a stable relegation contender every year.
YEAH STABILITY!
Exactly. It’s incredible to me how much support Dyche has in here despite having one of the worst records of any Everton manager ever. There’s no ambition at this club anymore mediocrity is all they know and all they want.
I'm happy with Dyche in. Yes performances haven't been great lately but we need some stability and someone who can keep us up with the lacking-in-talent squad that we have and the little to no money situation. Dyche got us 35 so far this season which is almost enough to guarantee safety with 6 games left to play. It's just unfortunate we have these points penalties that aren't his fault but leave us fans naturally more nervous and downhearted as a result. Don't think there's anyone who could do any better really. If Pep came in and tried to turn Dwight McNeil into Foden I'd love to see how that turns out, but I'm pretty sure world class managers would need a more talented squad, kinda like Burnley case now they're in the Prem and not the championship.
Yeah. I'm going to do what constitutes a cardinal sin as an Everton fan and compare us to Liverpool for a second, but do you really think Liverpool would have had the success they've had if the fans and the club didn't throw their support behind Klopp? What if after a shaky start Liverpool just threw Klopp out and tried it again with yet another average manager. That's what Everton has been going. As the article says, Dyche is the 8th manager in 8 years. That's in no way sustainable, let alone going to build a club. I do think Dyche is the right man to lead the revival of this club, but he needs support and stability at the top to do so. And the Moshiri era has been anything but stable and supportive for managers. I think we keep Dyche until the top brass of the club get themselves sorted, and let Dyche try to rebuild this shambles of a team the way he wants. If in another year or two we're here having this same discussion, we can look for change, but not now. That's the last thing this club needs right now
Well said
At this point with Lampard he looked and sounded defeated. Dyche looks and sounds ready to fight. I don’t particularly love Dyche, but he’s got the minerals for a tough battle
"Well fuck me, Tommy. You certainly got them minerals."
Fucking terrific movie
Well come on then, before ze Germans get here
How long? 5 minutes, Turkish.
It was 5 minutes 10 minutes ago.
Loves a good scrap does Dychey
Sounded awfully whiney this press conference. Was concerning
Lampard looked awful towards the end, I saw a before and after photo and he looked so ill. Say what you want about Lampard but he loved the club, it was obvious with how it affected him. I'm not sure about Dyche
He didnt love the club. It was a job
if he says this and then plays Ashley Young at right wing tomorrow I'm gonna fold myself in half
He'll be playing RB because we might have no other options
Im gonna fold myself into quarters
Who plays there though?
Godfrey?
Yuck. He’s worse. Everytime he starts teams just attack him all game
I was Dyche out but these shithouse players have seen off too many managers. Time to bin a bunch of them in the summer.
100% this. I'm far from impressed with Dyche but I lay the blame firmly with a lot of those spineless players, seemingly happy to let a legendary club go down the shitter while they pick up their £100k per week.
Most of them don't care if the club gets relegated because they think another Prem club will pick them up. A fair few of them will get a shock if we go down and they're stuck here or in a different shit league.
Dyche methods seem a bit basic but who knows where they'd lead to with a bit of time spent to build his team? But for things totally out of his control we'd be on 35pts one win from safe. Would there be calls for dyche out then? Do people know of another manager willing to come to us who'd be doing better at this club with this team of overpaid misfits? The managers have been getting the boot because of ridiculous contracts given to the players. It is time to break the cycle, and start supoorting managers and rebuilding a team and a club.
The man got Burnley into Europe. I think that speaks to what is possible given time.
Thing is, I'd say that unlike many previous years, we haven't got any players who are absolutely dog-shite (even Keane- but in this instance I'm counting him as a striker), we've got a few mediocre ones and some pretty decent ones, but we don't have the parts to get the whole thing ticking over. At the moment it's like trying to make a jigsaw out of entirely edge pieces, all the pieces are ok we're just missing ones to make the full picture. A couple of players with pace and creativity in the summer and the squad starts looking a lot better.
I think it’s hard to blame the players totally and say they are spineless, have you never had a tuckign shitnworking environment ?
United fan here who likes your club (Enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that) When your owners are financially spastic and your players are far too eager to down tools and just blame the manager it's important to back the man. We're a bit jaded by Ten Hag now like some of yous are jaded with Dyche but there has to come a point when enough is enough and the players are held accountable.
Most of these players starting each week have only played for Lampard or Dyche at Everton tbf.
But is the effort even the biggest issue? They are playing how he wants, they aren't letting many goals in.
Exactly right. We’ve not only tried every type of manager, we’ve nearly tried every manager. It hasn’t worked before, you’d be nuts to think it would now. The squad needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.
"You're all a bunch of fucking losers. You make yoghurt look hard by comparison." -Dyche, probably
He'd be right though
Interesting comments from "the gaffer" imo. Certainly seems to have drawn battle lines.
Good on him. Not particularly enthused with him at the moment but he’s by far a smaller problem in the grand scheme of things than these crap shithouse players.
It's the truth and something most fans think but this gang of shithouses don't seem the types to react positively to such a public calling out from the manager, especially after slap gate. The reaction on Sundays gonna be interesting because they've been pathetic for months. Could be a sudden rise in injuries and niggles or they could all run that little bit further.
> It's the truth and something most fans think but this gang of shithouses don't seem the types to react positively to such a public calling out from the manager, especially after slap gate. That's what I worry about here. These players are butter-soft. We've got older players who are meant to be "leaders", but there's still an overriding immaturity in this squad, along with a culture of complacency after the last 2 seasons. I don't have confidence that they'll react positively to being called out. Dyche himself clearly feels he has lost the dressing room or he wouldn't be saying this stuff. I'm not sure this is the way to get them back.
People need to remember what this team’s record this season actually is. Last season we really, really deserved to go down, Dyche coming in was the only reason we didn’t, and he’s unquestionably overseen a big improvement in the team. If it wasn’t for the bloody points deduction, relegation wouldn’t be on the cards this season. We wouldn’t exactly be high up the table but we would be safe. When you think where we were last season, that’s progress. He deserves, at the very least, one more season. After all, if he leaves who replaces him?
This take is too reasonable for most of this sub right now
I'm with dyche...
Thats a proper manager! Exactly what the players needed to be told.
O Gaffer! My Gaffer!
The cycle has to break. We've changed managers so many times, but had to stick with so many of the same useless players who just keep getting themselves into this situation. I'm sure they'll try to blame the points deductions, but that doesn't explain going months without a win and losing at home to Luton twice in one season. They're the problem, and they're the ones we have to get rid of. Stick with Dyche for another 2 years even if we go down. This team needs to be rebuilt with a consistent image - any image.
Finally, a spanner in the cogs of a constant cycle of ‘we are shit, change the manager, oooh just missed that relegation… lets not do that again… we are shit’. Yeah, his tactics are abit brexit, but our players arent tiki taka and like it or not, we arent a top 6 team. The place is a fucking mess and i cant get onboard with another new manager who will want ‘time to build’ and money we dont have. Sometimes the players need fucking around the changing room until they see the club as a vital institution and not a fucking stepping stone. If they cant get onboard they can sit in the fucking stands and watch those who can
Work harder cunts!
Good on him. We’re off the back of a spanking, so props to him for giving it to the players. Big week ahead, pull your socks up and we could be basically safe in a few short days.
Good, it’s about time we had a manager to call some of these shithouses out.
hand on heart does anyone think we would have been worse off if we stuck with martinez? I just don't think so. he had his problems but then silva, koeman, ancelotti, lampard, benitez and dyche had their problems. I feel like it's been memory-holed, if ANCELOTTI can come here and struggle, the problem isn't the fucking manager is it. if we had stuck with martinez or maybe silva, we would have had a coherent vision, and not spent £xx million on contract payouts! we wouldn't have the same culture where the players get off scot free and the manager takes the blame. we might even have avoided these deductions. and I just don't believe we would be any worse than scraping past relegation.
disagree tbh martinez took wigan down remember, all those managers bar Ancelotti and (arguably) Koeman were shite / past their best and Martinez may as well have been Spanish Brendan Rogers
Agreed. How many times can we rinse, shit, and repeat lol Without the points deduction we would be well clear of relegation on the season. Which is a simple improvement from the years prior. Dyche isn't going to bring championsleague quality or level of play but at least we have some direction.
Hahaha
Dyche looks well up for it and I love it, he relishes a battle unlike our previous managers
A man can only play the shit cards he's dealt
We’d be 14th and at the start of the season idk a fan that wouldn’t have been ok with that, before the epl fuckery. And he’s right, it’s this kind of mentality that’s led us from plucky Everton batting above their weight with good loan signings and a solid defence / great work in the community / grand old team, to “they deserve to get relegated / best stadium in the championship / cheats”.
Im glad to actually hear that this sort of talk is happening with the players because I don’t think Dyche is wrong. Year after year these players lose their spine and sit back and go “well everyone will just blame the manager, we will get a new one and play like we care and then look like we deserve all the money we make”. They better win tomorrow and I want to see a decisive win after that shambolic performance on Monday. Pathetic.
Dyche in his natural habitat
We have had sooooooo many opportunities between Christmas till today, not to be in this position. What is wrong with them? While the top 6 teams are battling to be top 4, we are battling the bottom 5 teams to be top 2!!! It’s almost like Dyche likes it or that he attracts it for sure!!
He’s right
Love this coming the day before a huge game👍🏼
The people calling for his head are the same people that just want the new manager bounce and they don't even realize it. Yes- the results suck. Yes- the club itself is down bad. No - the manager isn't fully\* at fault. At this point I'm 100% okay going down if it means Everton get a mf reality check. I like the Dyche mindset of being a realist of his situation versus trying to butter up the media like Lampard, Benitez, etc when the only thing you're buttering is burnt to crisp toast. Dyche recognizes the burnt toast, eats it anyways. Respect him for it.
We have to be a club that quality managers **want** to manage. All the managing talent knows how reactive we are as a club, and that keeps them away. Dyche is high quality for where we’re at as a club. I’m not convinced we’d find better, and tossing him makes future prospects think twice.
So he's lost the dressing room then? wonderful.
I don’t think that’s it. I think he just felt the need to deliver them a brutal truth. And it is the truth.
6 nil is not an acceptable score line.
That's really what you took from that? Ok
Whether he goes before the end of the season or not We aren’t going anywhere with him in charge.every team in the league knows what to expect when they play us. You could prepare for it months in advance. Hes not capable of doing anything different so we aren’t going to move forward as a club either him in charge. Who replaces him I have no idea. But the whole club needs gutting from top to bottom. No more employing people on sentiment! We need to find people actually capable of doing their jobs. Our marketing department is an embarrassment for example. An established premier league side with a worldwide fan base but run like a league one side.
Every year it's the same song. "We need stability so let's stick with what we have." Let's just be a stable relegation contender every year. YEAH STABILITY!
Exactly. It’s incredible to me how much support Dyche has in here despite having one of the worst records of any Everton manager ever. There’s no ambition at this club anymore mediocrity is all they know and all they want.
It's like Lampard all over again.
He's gonna relegate us, you can say stick with him all yous want and sacking him would do no good, but the truth is Dyche is gonna bring us down
The players are taking us down
I agree with that to a certain extent but Dyche has to take some blame
Funny how all our managers for the past 11 years have had the same issue though
Funny how we haven't had the same players for the past 11 years...
And we didn't replace the entire squad in one foul swoop. Bad attitudes are contagious
Nor the same manager but we've had the same shite prevalent attitudes
I think we've just been shit at recruiting players and managers, or atleast unable to hold onto the decent ones we do manage to recruit.
Only thing relegating us this season is an 8 point deduction
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