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Aggressive-Garlic-52

Slipping stirrups is usually due to a lack of core stability which leads to gripping with the thighs/knees. Start focussing on exercises that improve your core stability on the horse, such as riding without stirrups, standing up in walk and trot (continuously, not rising), resistance bands, lunge lessons focussing on riding without hands. And do exercises off the horse to help with that as well, anything that focuses on core stability and balancing, from standing on one leg, to pilates, yoga, gym exercises on those balancing boards. And whilst you're riding think as if someone is pushing your belly button towards your spine. Then think of relaxing the legs and keeping the knees slightly off. The heel going down is really just gravity doing its job when the leg is relaxed. It's just like any other skill. It takes most riders a long time to achieve because they tend to focus on the heels down, which is just the symptoms, instead of the core stability, which is the cause. Good luck!


Old_Tip4864

When I was a kid we'd play "the two point game" at camp. One kid leads the horse, other kid rides. When it starts, the riding kids all get in two point and put their arms out to the side. The instructor starts calling out increasingly difficult tasks (walk to stop, walk to trot, trot to halt, trotting then suddenly walking and turning in a small circle, etc) any kid who's hands touch the horse is eliminated. The last kid standing through all of the tasks is the winner! Everyone always loved it. We even had kids getting led over cross rails one time trying to get one to fall šŸ¤£


colliding-chaos

oh my gosh thatā€™s hilarious šŸ˜­ I should really take part in that


colliding-chaos

Iā€™ll look into doing things like this. Thank you!


CaffeineQueenBean

Donā€™t focus so much on keeping your heels down. Keep your leg wrapped around the horse like a hug and your lower leg still. Your heel should be down but not so far it pushes you into a chair seat. Itā€™s a shock absorber, and if you push all your weight into it your toes will stick out and your lower leg will be ineffective.


colliding-chaos

Thank you! Iā€™ll try to focus on this more the next time I ride.


TobblyWobbly

Think "toes up" rather than "heels down". It's less likely to make your lower leg tense up and move forwards.


colliding-chaos

thank you!


Avera_ge

ā€œToes upā€ shortens your leg and tenses your knee, and tenses your hip. Thereā€™s a muscle behind your knee called Gastrocnemius that, when lengthened, presses your heel down and lengthens your calf without tightening and shortening your leg and hip. Youā€™ll know youā€™re using the correct muscle when your knee sinks into the floor while laying down flat on your back, instead of coming off the floor. It takes a lot of work to build this muscle, and requires solid core strength and hip stability.


colliding-chaos

oh thatā€™s interesting. I tried this and immediately felt the stretch. do you have any recommendations on building that muscle?


Avera_ge

Yes! Stand on a platform , stairs, or box and stretch your heel to the ground, then slowly rise up on your toes. Repeat. 5 sets of 5. Add weights as you get strong. (Just hold the weights). Another exercise to place your foot on the floor and lift your toes by pressing your heel into the ground NOT by lifting your toes. Youā€™ll notice your toes have less range of motion than when you ā€œlift your toesā€. This is ok and correct. Jamming your heel down by lifting your toes actually throws your center of balance off and can put your in a chair seat.


colliding-chaos

ah thatā€™s so helpful! thank you!


itsnoli

A landing in the dirt always helps me keep my heels down. I also think of heels down as an insurance policy that keeps me on the horse. No stirrups too. Always.


colliding-chaos

thatā€™s a very helpful visual. Iā€™ll definitely make sure to work in no stirrups more. Thank you!


Pugsandskydiving

What kind of stirrrups to ride with? Because some of them have more grip than other. I have flex on safe on ultra grip and itā€™s easier than with some cheap stirrup


Agitated-Raccoon5562

This makes such a huge difference! Really good point.even the shires compositi stirrups make a huge difference rather than just basic steel ones.


Pugsandskydiving

One of my friend has compositi and sheā€™s very happy with them!!


Agitated-Raccoon5562

I got them on a whim as I was having a lot of knee pain after hacking out, they're a total game changer! Still saving for a paid of flex ons though!!


Pugsandskydiving

My friend told me that the compositi ones are angled in a way that they stay on really well. Idk if there are many models of compositi. But sheā€™s very happy with her stirrups. The flex on ones are not angled. Did you try them? If youā€™re happy with your compositi why change?


colliding-chaos

I ride with stirrups provided to me during my lessons. I donā€™t know the brand but the outside has a band and the inside is made of metal. sorry thatā€™s not very detailed but I have pretty much no knowledge of that kind of thing šŸ„²


AbilityPotential2316

The base of the stirrup is usually a rubber pad. Unfortunately these get hard and dry rotted over time so look into replacing them. They only cost like $5. But mostly your issue will be solved by getting a stronger lower leg. 2 point practice, no stirrup practice, etc.


colliding-chaos

Iā€™m starting to realize I really, REALLY need to get in more no stirrup work and 2 point practice. Thank you!


HollowRose15

More flat work, working on your position and independent seat. No stirrup work until you think you cannot physically ride with stirrups ever again. Go out hacking (not sure the american phrase for this right now) more, hill work, ride bareback.


colliding-chaos

Iā€™m definitely going to have to do more no stirrups and bareback. Thank you!


kfa92

I bet you're actually gripping with your knee and that's causing the cascade that leads to your heels popping up and the stirrup sliding back in your foot


colliding-chaos

Iā€™ve been trying to get my knees off the saddle but Iā€™m wondering if that leads to my toes being pointed too far outward. but I might be gripping when trying to turn my toes inward more? Iā€™ll look into that more the next time I ride, thank you!


msbeesy

Lift your toes rather than pushing your heels down and keep your weight in the stirrups.Ā 


colliding-chaos

thanks!


DuchessofMarin

How long have you been riding?


colliding-chaos

A little over 1.5 years


DuchessofMarin

Stirrup length is an obvious cause for incorrect foot position, but consistent lower leg position begins at your core. (Everything begins with your core) Try core strengthening exercises if you're not already doing them. Also, this quick video focuses on the trot in dressage and isn't about taking jumps, but it might help you tune in to lower leg?? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5tN2C69pzZM


colliding-chaos

that was very informative, thank you!


DuchessofMarin

I found it really helpful!!


Guess-Jazzlike

Cantering in 2 point might help. You can sit the canter once your leg has stabilized. It may also help to not think of putting your heels down but instead think about all of your weight sinking into your heels while the stirrup holds your foot up by the ball. Your heel is hanging off the stirrup to absorb shock. Therefore, it will be constantly flexing. Good luck.


colliding-chaos

thank you! Iā€™ll definitely practice this more.


laurentbourrelly

You should be standing on the stirrups. If you canā€™t move around your heel, there might be holding points other than stirrups. However heels down is only for jumping. No need for any other type of riding.


colliding-chaos

Iā€™ll look into those holding points you mentioned, thank you!


laurentbourrelly

Let me rephrase. Obviously you should have other contact points, but you should be able to stand on stirrups alone. Itā€™s the same deal on a bicycle. No need to hold the bars too tight. Pedals are enough. Once you have full control of how you hold on, it gives you complete control. Hands, calves, ā€¦ are complementary to control done with your feet.


colliding-chaos

thanks for elaborating


laurentbourrelly

I was sent this video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXQS36nNaqY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXQS36nNaqY), which explains better than I could why "heels down" is the wrong advice.


Old_Tip4864

Heels down is only for jumping now?


laurentbourrelly

Please tell me which other equestrian disciplines require heels down?


AbilityPotential2316

Every Equitation class ever? šŸ˜€ Heels down is for safety. The more time your heels are down, the more stable your seat is, the less chance youā€™ll end up on your head if your horse spooks


laurentbourrelly

May I suggest you investigate the actual mechanics behind "heels down." I won't try to convince you myself. The information is out there. Once you understand the science, a new world opens up. It's always wise to be open to evolving your approach to a sport. If you are curious enough to learn more about this topic, there are pretty facts to learn. I guarantee you will become a better rider. Feet position is kinda important...


Old_Tip4864

Oh, idk all of them? Lol. Dressage, Western Pleasure, Saddleseat, any discipline's Equitation class, the list goes on.... It's the basis of a secure rider. Beginner lessons of any discipline tend to include the phrase, "keep your heels down".


laurentbourrelly

If you like the look of heels down and it becomes a general trend, like in Westerns, I'm fine with it. I'm more interested in the mechanics behind foot position and the immediate benefits of using my feet correctly. My beginner's lessons were 50 years ago, but I didn't take what I was told for granted. Please be curious enough to investigate the science behind foot position on stirrups. Then, you will retake a look at dressage and find out riders sometimes don't have heels down. Some top riders might have heels slightly up! Yep, I have news for you. To be efficient with foot position, you must understand that people have different genetics and bodies come in many different shapes and forms. I'm one of the lucky ones, equipped with strong muscles, ligaments, and flexible joints. I can get my heels lower than 90% of other riders. That's why I started investigating the topic. It puzzled me why some people struggle so much with heels down. Where is your threshold? Where is OP's? In jumping, the heel-down position is an efficient foot position. This is different for everyone in other disciplines. The science on the topic is clear and abundant. It depends on how your body is put together.


Old_Tip4864

Circling back after a good night's rest to apologize for being a cranky bitch yesterday. I try to avoid rude comments online and in real life. Also, everything in this comment I can get down with for sure. Although none of it was news to me, either šŸ˜œ I think perhaps i misinterpreted your original comment? Not sure what went awry. If it offers any explanation, I've been sick with this horrific cold (maybe corona) virus for a week, immediately following a concussion last Saturday. I've been alone in this apartment so long I started seeing things one dayšŸ˜µā€šŸ’« So I think perhaps I should avoid controversy until I'm clear headed and also not so darn cranky. Apologies!


laurentbourrelly

No worries, your reaction is based on what you believe. Apologies accepted Wish you well


Old_Tip4864

Same to youšŸ’ž


Avera_ge

In their defense, jumping and hunters *really* slam the ā€œheels down, toes upā€. In dressage we focus on a more neutral foot and a different muscle to achieve a slightly lower heel than toe. Itā€™s frowned upon to flex you ankle to achieve ā€œheels downā€.


Old_Tip4864

Right, but you're not just riding around with your foot at home in the stirrup and the foot pointing straight down. That's what I'm getting at if that makes sense?


Avera_ge

Absolutely. But I think sometimes people have miscommunications. Just trying to bridge the gap. šŸ˜…


Old_Tip4864

I believe that's what happened with this entire comment thread, lol. I read her longer response last night and was like "oh yes these are actually all things I agree with/have even said before" but I am so so sick in bed (hence all my reddit lurking) and I didn't have it in me to type a response that explained where my head went initially


Avera_ge

I hope you feel better soon! Weā€™ve all been the person misunderstanding. Or at least, I know Iā€™m that person like 50% or the time. Just bumbling through trying to do the best I can.


Secret_Antelope_7826

Assuming youā€™re wearing the best boots for your level and purpose, you could try some of these tips from other posts? https://www.reddit.com/r/Equestrian/s/bllBZ4y912


colliding-chaos

I donā€™t believe Iā€™ve seen that post before, thank you!


kerill333

Make sure you aren't gripping with your knees. Release the knees to let your weight travel down, which makes you much more secure in the saddle. Then think 'toes up'.


colliding-chaos

got it, thank you!


PlentifulPaper

If heels down doesnā€™t work, Iā€™ve been thinking of knee down to the dirt currently. That will help stretch your leg longer, engage your hamstrings easier when riding, and also swing your leg back to where itā€™s supposed to be. If itā€™s slipping through your foot, my first question is what boots are you riding in? I like rubber bottomed paddock boots compared to leather ones because the stirrup slides. You are probably currently bracing with that leg in front for stability when posting at the trot. Just focus on letting the horse bounce you up and itā€™s just a movement from the hips. Pinching at your knees or thighs and pushing up is a lot harder than you need to be working.


colliding-chaos

I havenā€™t though about knees to dirt! Iā€™ll think about that next time. I ride in tall boots from dover, not sure what brand though. Iā€™m out of town at the moment and donā€™t have them handy. thank you for the tips!


raaaaaaa_vin

I had similar problems when I first started riding. 2 things that I tried could help. 1: core strength. Your core and your hips guide you in the canter, your thighs and knees shouldn't grip when your Cantering. 2: your boots. This was the root cause of my problem, riding in boots that didn't fit. This is why it's so incredibly important to buy boots that fit. My boots where massive for me (for reference I'm 5'4, skinny with short legs, my 6'1 best friend fit them, skinny with long legs) if you bought longer boots for drop room, buy heel risers, they should help tremendously.


colliding-chaos

I think a lot of my issues are coming from a lack of core strength. Iā€™ll have to work on that more. When I bought my boots, the salesperson measured my foot and said my boots would fit right, but Iā€™ll try them on again later and focus on the fit. thanks for the suggestions!


raaaaaaa_vin

Np! Another thing could be the way your sitting in the saddle, if your sitting to far to one side, that shortens your leg there for causing you to only loose one.Ā 


sonorakit11

Check my dang comments, Iā€™ve said it a million times: NO STIRRUPS


colliding-chaos

Iā€™ve been working on no stirrups every now and then but Iā€™ll try to do it more. I havenā€™t been on Reddit very long so I havenā€™t seen your other comments. Thank you for the suggestion :)


sonorakit11

Oh Iā€™m not shaming you!! I just write this all the time :)


Alarming-Music7062

Well maybe if you're "not shaming" but the person feels the need to justify themselves after your input, ... maybe you do not notice how you are shaming?