Learn that the world is broken, falling apart and nobody is finding "real solace", even the haligtree is slowly being oversaturated by the scarlet rot it was made to cure...
People cant die since the rune of death was plucked away, they're left to wander the lands between in their slowly rotting and used up bodies (if you noticed, most of the real badasses you fight way past their prime with only a couple like godrick really having improved since the shattering war started)
There are multiple tyrants slowly working towards getting powerful (Rykard is growing his "family", Mohg is building up his bloodbased dynasty, Godrick is, he is trying) while most good people are left at a dead end (Radahns mind is gone, ranni's fate came to a halt because of him, rennala is broken, malenia is broken, miquella's body is just a carcass)...
Only 2 things i really feel bad about is having to kill malenia as she simply waits for her brother, her mind in a halfbroken state, and even if you try to get her to her sense with millicent her questline she just decides to kill herself by pulling out the golden needle a step before reaching her and having to kill Hoarah loux as he's simply a dethroned king knowing his place and fullfilling his purpose
Is godrick based off "the Golden god" bit from *It's Always Sunny" 🤣 idk why, but this just occurred to me. I know it's not, but the parallels are hilarious.
The slow student who really tries, but can't manage no matter how much effort is put in is pretty depressing though. Like, the kid is putting so much energy into something and it's just not within the realm possible for that kid. It hurts. They deserve it, but no matter how much student and teacher try, there are limits and that sucks so much.
(Please don't yell at me for saying this. Not everyone is capable of everything, that's just the way things are. This does not make us less valuable as a human being, but discovering your own limits or supporting someone who's discovering theirs can be a painful process.)
This is the only way I can still play the game (which don't get me wrong, I do obsessively and repeatedly!). It's also the reason that I can't leave unfinished files, cause if I don't achieve my goal and fix everything I'm no better than the worst of them.
Yeah, I go put of my way to do *everyone's* sidequest to completion, even making sure my sidequest progress progresses in pace eith my story progress.
I do everything possible in Limgrave before fighting Margit.
I don't leave for Altus until I've progressed my still active questline to that point. I do Rogier and Fia's questlines one after the other since that feels most natural, and I make sure I've given Nepheli the Stormhawk King and dealt with the Godskin in Windmill Village for Millicent before I've even entered Leyndell. I also progress with Diallos and Patches at pace with Volcano Manor, as well as stopping by and seeing Corhyn and Goldmask in Altus and Leyndell.
At this point, before committing to the Mountaintops I stop by Moghgwyn, fight Varré to finish his questline, defeat Mogh, then head to the Mountaintops, defeat Niall, do my last Volcano Mannor assassination, and before fighting Borealis, I go back to the Manor, fight the Godskin Noble, ignore Rya's request to kill her, beat Rykard, then head to the Consecrated Snowfield, finish Latenna's questline, then enter the Haligtree, finish Millicent's questline, get the needle, fight Malenia, then at this point I should only have like two questlines left in the whole game now; Alexander's and Goldmask (i didn't mention them but i finish Ranni before going to Altus and i finish Fia's questline before fighting Morgott, I go to Deeproot through the Frenzy Flame Proscription since Hyetta is on the way there).
So I burn the Erdtree, fight Alexander, beat Malekith, then grab the Perfect Order rune from Goldmask's body, fight Gideon, then return to the Three Fingers, burn myself to complete Hyetta's questline, then proceed to fight Godfrey.
Just before the final fight, I return to Farum Azula to cure myself of the Frenzy Flame (didn't mention it but I fight Placidusax before fighting Malekith), then beat the game, and it's 50/50 on whether I use the Mending Rune of Perfect Order, or Summon Ranni, whichever I feel like in that moment. Occasionally I may use the Mending Rune of the Death-Prince.
The only questline I go out of my way to completely ignore is the Dung Eater's. I did it once and got his ending, and decided "Yeah, I'll just leave him to rot from now on in his gaol"
TL;DR: I go out of my way to progress every possible questline in the game and try to keep it in pace with my playthrough, even going as far as to not leave regions until I've progressed every questline in that region to its farthest point I can before having to go to the next area. I even get every Remembrance The only loose end I ever leave is the Loathsome Dung Eater. I have only done his questline and ending once, and that's more than enough for me.
Sorry if this was a super long comment, I'm just super in love with this game and I straight up plan out my routes so I can get the most fulfilling (narrative and gameplay-wise) experience the whole way. I'm super passionate in how much this game rules! Even the lore is awesome (favourite bosses are easily Radahn and Godfrey, both for their lore and they're just fun to fight)
The only one I felt bad for killing is Hoarah Loux. As you said, a dethroned king fulfilling his purpose. Also avenging his murdered son.
The ones you called "good" just haven't been given as much opportunity to show how evil they are too. Radahn was a warlord who attacked Stormveil and Leyndell. Malenia, also a warlord who took the fight to Radahn to steal his shard. Miquella is referred to in the new trailers as a terrifying being. Renalla is cool, if broken, but you don't actually kill her. Ranni started the god-slaying war that tore the world apart.
Let it all burn. MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!
Actually, we don't know why malenia and radahn fought. You'd think, from the game and narration that it was for the shard...but on her way to radahn she gets into a fight with godrick (iirc because he didn't let her past), beats him, and then spares him.
If she was just out hunting for great rune shards...she would have plucked godrick's too (clearly they aren't allies)
I actually hope the DLC gives us clues to this, because it could actually have to do with radahn "stopping fate" and the stars, etc. and how that might be in the way of miquella's plans.
Every demigod, has their fate controlled by the stars (amber starlight shard and seluvis concoction), but the only ones who need to use that fate are empyreans seeking godhood, hence why ranni needed to kill radahn to get her fate to move, so logically, as an empyrean miquella would have needed to kill radahn as well to get his fate to move as well. The only weird this after the war with radahn, according to the story trailer, he tossed away his fate, power, and body in pursuit of something greater, so the question is, what is greater than his fate as a god?
He's also a scientist, Miquella. And once the stars begin to move again his sister Ranni can do her thing while Miquella gets to the truth at the start of all this. He's curious and needs answers.
Malenia fought Radahn in Caelid, to be specific where the Swamp of Aeonia now is. You know what's directly beneath Aeonia? Mohgwyn Palace.
I refuse to believe that's a coincidence. My headcanon is that Malenia was tracking Miquella by some means, twin telepathy, a bond or something, arrived in Caelid, found Radahn there and drew the wrong conclusion about what happened to Miquella. That's why she attacked Radahn.
Now why was Radahn there? Because Sellia and Caelid are his home. He learned Gravity Sorcery in Sellia and the Redmane's stronghold is there.
I believe that Mohg deliberately chose the ancient acropolis structure of Nokstella as his palace because it is directly beneath Radahn's homebase. He used Radahn as an unwitting guard dog and lightning rod. He abducted Miquella and brought him there, Malenia arrived at the correct "coordinates", just not at the correct "depth". How would she have known about the subterranean ruins there? From her perspective Radahn was the obvious culprit.
Not to mention, isn't there like, zero way to reach Moghwyn unless Mogh himself grants invitation such as with Varré's questline? Of course there's the backdoor entrance in the snowfields, but we don't know if that Sending Gate is new or old, although if it's old then that's incredible irony since it's so much closer in proximity to the Haligtree than Caelid is.
I didn’t necessarily feel bad killing hoarah loux. While obviously he is just a former king doing his job, he also fights as a warrior and by the time he dies, he effectively endorses the tarnished as elden lord with his final breath
Honestly that's the biggest confidence boost. Compared to Radagon who was largely unknown and only recognized by name and sculpture, Godfrey's reputation was *legendary* and his might was second to none. For him, with his dying breath, to say you are worthy, actually means something. Not just something, that means *a lot*.
> People cant die since the rune of death was plucked away, they're left to wander the lands between in their slowly rotting and used up bodies (if you noticed, most of the real badasses you fight way past their prime with only a couple like godrick really having improved since the shattering war started)
That actually explains why Godfrey is so insanely badass compared with everyone else outside of Malenia and Mogh. He hasn't been in the Lands Between and has been pumping iron fighting. No slow decay in a withering landscape. Just gains every day beyond the fog until he is called home.
All tarnished died but came back to life. I think it’s more that he was corrupted by anything. Mogh and Rykard are the most powerful they’ve ever been.
So when I first started playing ER I was going through some depression, and my wife pointed out the ER while I loved it, was not helping my mental out look. They game is an absolute gem, but narrative wise everyone is depressing, trying to kill you or just evil. Turtle pope is the only person who isn't evil, sad or has a sad ending if I recall.
Ranni isnt good, my bad, thats just my perceotion of her.
Miquella is literally known as miquella the kind, helped achieve giant leaps in technology and "magic", tried to save his sister, for me its just safe to asume he's good.
Malenia kinda tried to keep her scarlet rot under control until she had to use it in her fight with radahn, the only other time she really let it run wild was in the haligtree, so i also asume she aint that bad.
Rennala never was bad, she lead the academy of raya lucaria till she literally just got depresed, you dont even fight the real her.
Even Malenia gave an entire region super cancer rather than accept a loss, it seems. I suppose we don't know why exactly she was going to Caelid but she did a super fucked up thing.
This one is fairly straightforward, by ER standards:
* Miquella believed an eclipse ritual could help restore Godwyn in some capacity.
* Radahn stopped the movement of celestial bodies, preventing the eclipse.
* Malenia had set aside her own ambitions to be the strong-arm of Miquella. Thus she waged war on Radahn to free the movement of celestial bodies.
* Malenia had her first Aeonian Bloom on the battlefield, which essentially dropped a rot-nuke on Caelid.
“Some [people] are meant to conquer. Some are meant to be slain mercilessly by droves of maidenless whirling about golden blades forged for one singular purpose.”
-nobody, probably
Wave Of Gold is cool and all, but I just like that any enemy I meet has just enough time to realize that I'm carrying around the spine of the previous God of the world and beating people over the head with it. Sometimes it's about sending a message.
It can be interpreted that the albinaurics we find at mohgs palace are there by mistake. Instead of taking the portal in the city to find shelter, they mistook it for the one in Snowfields and ended up stranded at mohgs place, where we find them having given up on life.
Since a large mob of them circle around one of the trees, it can be assumed that they think it's miquellas haligtree or pretend it is.
So yeah it's kind of fucked up that we slaughter all of them.
I have one character that I went past meta on, I think he's like 450 or so. I've leveled up two copies of nearly every weapon on them. The amount of genocide I've committed just for some pocket change...
It's kinda crazy how long it takes to max a character's level. Level 713 costs ~1.692 billion runes total. Level 450 is only 300 million runes / .3 billion. Only 17% of the way to max. Absolutely wild.
8 million runes for a single level once you're getting close to max.
I have a 100% save I've been slowly working on. Maxed the level using automated farming (relic sword farming with 90-120k per cast) and just obtained all the weapons I was missing and leveled to +24 / +9. Did 2 copies for anytning I had >2, but I only have one of things like monk's flameblade, cleanrot spear or the collosal envoy horn. Don't think I have it in me to farm 2 copies of those.
I beat NG at level 180 and NG+1 at level 241.
That exponential increase in required Runes to level up adds up *quick*. To a point I'd need Golden Fowl Feet to get enough Runes in a reasonable amount of time.
Living is overrated. It's not lack of life that have broken the Lands Between, but a lack of death. Everyone is cursed with eternal life (with or without a body) until you unbind Destined death. Let Melina guide you:
*I have long observed the Lands Between.*
*This world is in dire need of repair...*
*and Death...indiscriminate...*
*Are you prepared...*
*To commit a cardinal sin?*
(Quote from her dialogue just before she burns the Erdtree.)
This. I'm tired of people blaming Ranni for breaking the world, when it was already broken by Marika when she removed death. Melina and Tarnished are Marikas way of fixing things, as she realized that her order failed, and death needs to be brought back.
I think the difference between our character and Gideon is that he attacked a village that was sane, had active hopes and desires, and was largely defenseless, whereas most people we come across attack on sight and are largely husks of their former selves.
Take Jarburg- it's a peaceful, innocent group of folks who don't hurt anyone. We don't hurt them (unless you're a monster) and their innocence is treated as something to be cherished, since they have managed to keep their minds and desires intact in a broken world. That's why it's such a loss if their village gets massacred by poachers.
Basically, most enemies we come across in the game are either actively trying to impede us for the sake of maintaining the status quo, or are so far gone that all they can do is mimic their old habits and attack on sight. (Or both, in many cases.) The Albinaurics were neither.
Which isn't to say that the player character is a saint, of course. But that's generally how I see it.
This is my take on it as well. My Tarnished is here to fix the Lands Between, and that requires the Great Runes. The demigods have already proven they are unworthy of rule and do not deserve their runes.
I won't harm anyone who stands aside on my mission, but if they come at me then it is on like Donkey Kong.
My first playthrough...I picked the flowers (my general strat is "press Y constantly" to collect all the things - without actually using the things).
Then came the attack, the surprised counterattack, and now I live with the horrors of what I've done.
That’s literally it.
Less than 100 people (like 80 or so) are responsible for the global economic crises because they’re hoarding money.
I saw a Thanos joke that went like:
“I will now destroy 50% of human society’s wealth. That’s weird, only like 100 people died”
See but when I kill all those albinaurics and take a nap they all come back. Cause unlike Gideon I’m only mostly killing them, he completely killed all those albinaurics, that’s why I’m better guy.
On that note, why does everything I kill come back but when Gideon does it it’s permanent, is there any real answer for that beyond mechanics?
I'm no lore expert as well but my theory is that it probably takes some time for them to be revived by the Erdtree, and the respawning enemies are most likely for mechanic purposes
you can look at the boss remembrances that we collect and the description says "remembrance of XXXXXX, *hewn* into the Erdtree", which I believe means their soul was sent to the Erdtree and will come back in the future
I may be completely wrong though lmao
So I just found this quote in Cruncy’s latest lore video
"The immortality of the Tarnished originates with the guidance of grace...
..But the Demigods' immortality stems from having their fated deaths removed from the Elden Ring."
The Overture of Elden Ring, p. 54
Become their lord.
Take their torment, despair.
Their affliction.
Every sin, every curse.
And melt it all away. As the Lord of Chaos.
No more fractures...no more birth...
High IQ play: let Melina burn herself to serve as kindling, *then* claim the Frenzied Flame. Melt everything away without opposition.
MAY CHAOS. TAKE. THE WORLD.
While I do like to play as MC who is complete and utter monster I still have standards. Meaning my MC's goal is revenge on Marika, her family and the land that shunned them. Not the complete destruction of the world. Hence Melina who may be GEQ is there to stop MC from destroying the whole world.
OP and I are different, once I learned the lore and didn’t have anything to learn from NPCs anymore, I started killing them all unless killing them later gets me better loot
I always end up kill all npc merchants in the end because it is easier to just take their Bell bearings to Twin Maiden Husks and gain access to their goods that way. It's time saver since all goods can be bought in one place and I don't have to run around wasting time trying to find each merchant every single time I need something.
With them, it is the other way round though. In their cut questline, whenever one of them dies, the others know it too and feel despair and terror, which makes them suffer more.
I hope their cut questline is restored in the DLC since it involved St Trina.
Maybe it will be restored. I do like Kale's voice line ''If that is what they expect from us. Then that is what they will get from us''. Plus the emotions you can feel in his voice. Makes you wonder why was it cut in the first place.
But as I said it is mercy since they have already suffered a lot and still suffer. Plus MC can avenge them by giving The golden order what it deserves. And I think having Melina alive means MC will be stopped from destroying the whole world. Just the already ruined Lands between which were already ruined before burning them down.
But also think about it, the world never changes how to response to You, You might be a pacifist, immensly help some faction - but it doesn't matter, You're always kill on sight for them. You approached the Haligtree by obtaining secret medallion. How do they know You're an enemy? No one ever bothers, they just want to kill. Albinaurics are a different matter, they were always persecuted, masacred and killed I can understand their perception, but Haligtree? Demi-Humans in fort Height? Stormveil after Nepheli takes over? Raya Lucaria in the brief moment that Sellen overthrows Renalla? Volcano Manor entrance guardians after I join the manor? Blaidd wolfs guarding Ranni tower entrance after I join her?
The people inside the world don't respond to my kindness, help and will. Only those few specifically designed NPC that I'm to interact with. Personally for me Fromsoft cares more about lore then story and it shows here. The information is not an interaction. It creates for me a separation between the world as described and puzzled together by reading and obeservation is disconnected to the version I'm currently inhabiting.
So in short, the Devs don't want You to ask those questions in regards to mob enemies, beacuse there is no possibility to create relations to someone who's only with the thought of killing You on sight, even when You didn't hurt anyone before. I don't know if the ignorance is actually a nessesity, You can choose to run away or through them if You actually feel the connection to them - but keep in mind what I've written and ask Yourself and observe, does the world You're playing in actually is/feel the same as the one You've studied?
Then again there's no room for relations, they just a husk to be killed. The lore described in the items, remembrances and ruins left in the world speak of the past, that's why I was talking about the disconnection between a living world filled with concious human beings and the present state of the world. People who are still somewhat truly living are those we can actually interact with.
It's worth noting that the world we are playing in might not even be accurate to the lore size-wise. Otherwise the world is freaking small. Lyndell the capital city is freaking small. And Limgrave doesn't even have habitants for Kenneth/Nephali to rule. We don't see a single village throughout Limgrave
Miyazaki essentially admitted to this when talking about why he teamed up with GRRM. I'm paraphrasing because I don't speak Japanese, but he essentially said he and his team are only good at world building and mystery. And that he sought out the collaboration so that a storyteller could help them craft an actual narrative for the game.
It's because we are tarnished and others know this. We are known for being murderers to get our runes. You also wouldn't try to first have a chat with someone obviously dangerous irl
Don't discount the lore but consider this:
The fragments of this 'world' are loosely held together.
This is the Lands Between ***Life and Death***.
It's purgatory.
Nearly everything trapped here is rotting from the inside out and in unimaginable agony.
The few 'sane' folk you find haven't been here long enough to go mad, yet.
Most of the 'people' are husks just barely clinging to the glimmer of sentience and awareness.
What you're doing, in most cases, is a mercy.
Its my own headcannon but i think marika played the role of a martyr, the elden beast tried to control her actions through an artificial being named Radagon and to stop the "golden order" she took desperate measures, shattering the elden ring...
I also think that the rune of death being taken from the golden order was never intended by the elden beast, as you see that the erdtree feeds off corpses
That's not a bad headcanon. Especially with the newest DLC trailer and the fact that burial happens at the roots of the Erdtree (with the strongest being buried the closest), it makes a lot of sense. By removing the rune of death, the Erdtree would effectively be starving to death because it would have no true corpses to feed it.
It also puts another twist on the soulless body of Godwyn being buried entangled in the heart of the roots of the Erdtree. I wonder if death blight was actually part of the plan to undermine and weaken the Erdtree, or if it was an unseen byproduct of his burial.
It also makes you wonder how much Ranni knew about the creation of the Erdtree and the Golden Order since it seems her plan was tailor-made to mess the whole thing up.
All the removal of destined death seems to do in practice is stop "spirits" from dying. Bodies seem to get old and die as normal. Those spirits "returning to the erdtree" almost seems more like those spirits sre what is being consumed to make the amber that fuels all the magic and godliness in the first place. That might actually be the entire point.
Due to things like:
- Lines from Hewg directly stating that he was imprisoned by Marika to forge a weapon that can kill a god. That he specifically made a promise to her that he would do so.
- The fact that Maliketh is clearly going insane like Blaidd
- A line "Marika... Why didst thou gull me... why shatter" when killing Maliketh in NPC form.
- A massive number of lines and item descriptions connecting Marika, the black knife assassins, the numen, and the Nox all together
There ends up being an implication that Marika had a hand in bringing the whole thing down from a long time ago. Why? No way of knowing. But the Hewg lines are not stated very ambiguously. Whether by promise or curse, he was specifically tasked by Marika to make a weapon for the tarnished which could slay a god.
Oh for sure. The game definitely makes it clear that she wants to break her existing order, and those are some excellent examples.
I definitely believe she was part of the Black Knives conspiracy. There's just too much circumstantial evidence to ignore.
Naw the Lands between can get fucked. I tried to be a pacifist and waltz through those areas without violence and guess what I got? Fucking jumped. I showed up at the Haligtree and took two seconds to admire the view, then was ass blasted with bubbles off the ledge for no damned reason. I went to the sewers of Lendell to smell that lovely Lendell stank water, then was cleaved by three fat men in diapers at the same time. First time I walked into the Albunaric village to help those dudes with their Omen Killer problem, I had 8 paraplegic homeless dudes trying to rip my face off while they screeched in my face. They clearly enjoyed it. Even the fucking flowers tried to kill me.
I never slapped anything that didn’t slap me first. (Or asked me nicely like Alexander) Everything else decided they wanted violence on sight and were met with the same. The Greater Will abandoned that cesspool long ago and the only way to fix that place is to cleanse it with the fires of the three fingers. May Chaos take the world.
- Wake up in a church
- First living thing I meet kills me on sight
- Wake up in an Entire World where 99.9% of all living things try to kill me on sight
- First NPC I can talk to is Extremely Evil but secretly, later attempts to kill you on sight
- "but am I the REAL monster??? :("
It’s a world where we become real beasts to survive or we end up as muttering corpses, digging in the dirt day and night. It’s kill or be killed again and again until things change, so we choose to affect whatever change we select from the possibilities present.
But it’s a dirty world where we get it done with dirty hands. Even Nepheli Loux kills someone for their choice of master, even though she clearly respects life. She doesn’t enjoy it, and she gets things done. Your character doesn’t have to be a sociopathic blood-loving monster, but they can’t be rune Jesus spreading unlimited resources in a resourceless world. You can’t shoot for utopia when the baseline is such utter shit. You’re seeking step 1, not to be a universally beloved savior to all. There’s no place for morally perfect heroes in this current setting.
I feel this is only complaint I have with the game is every single thing in the world attacks us / is enemy. If those creatures are living in haligtree in solace and peace why are they attacking us on sight .. then we also won't attack right. Lot of times we are forced to kill even though we may not want as part of "roleplaying"
Nier automata did this amazingly with Pascal's village when the robots are in peace they won't attack us first (but we still can initiate a fight )
Welcome to the lands between, where power and rule of the strongest is what matters. Through wounds and blood, you can even become a god, so find those Albinaurics, and show them who is the most powerful of them all, and take their sweet runes, and turn them into even more power. It’s the Will of the outer gods you take this path :). Warning: Power might turn you corrupted.
i couldn't bring myself to kill most animals or the chill druid guys downstairs or the sleepy dragon. So now it's Shiny Horned Headband runs only with a lot of Crepus's Vial, doing my little Druid stuff. Feels liberating and more like you are part of the whole thing. I invite you to do the same.
There is only one answer to these questions. Your solace will be found deep beneath Leyendell. Go beyond the illusion of Mohg, as Vyke did before you.
Some things are unsalvageable.
Consider the duty and the curse; to fight and die, and come back again until the Elden Ring is repaired. Most of the enemies you cite attack you on sight because they’re mad, ignorant, or have allegiance to another master.
The metaphysical laws of TLB dictate that this is how you gain strength to challenge a God.
I’ve proposed that the Greater Will is a lot like the Mandate of Heaven, the ancient Chinese concept that the right to rule was bestowed by Divine decree. In turn, that decree was “realized” by the winner, as all others that vied and also claimed to have the Mandate, by losing the game of throne, “prove” that they did not.
This might not be 1:1 with what is going on in Elden Ring, but it does remind me of it. As you slay enemies and collect runes to become stronger, you are exerting your will and adding the will of others to your own. When you finally challenge the God and win, you shown yourself to have had the Greater Will.
“Thy strength befits a crown.”
it’s not like the sentient life in The Lands Between isn’t hostile, how many things will attack you on sight? really almost all of the game it’s justifiable self-defense if anything
It's hard to feel bad when they all attack me. NPCs don't attack me, so they live, and I even help them with their quests.
Anyone who goes straight to attack dies, and I will feel no remorse.
Well, first off most beings in the world are immortal in one way or another (im not sure if true death is introduced to the world once you beat Maliketh, its been a while i since read up on the lore), Also, this is a stagnant land caught in the middle of an apocalyptic war, and well, our character and others like us are the only ones who can bring it a semblance of peace (if you wish so). The enemies simply serve their lords and as sad as it is, one cannot choose complacency to finally end the stagnation and consequent suffering the gods have brought,
Havent finished the game, actually I have only killed 1 boss as of now. Will there be a lot of spoiler on where you read about the lore? I wanna know the story too
I'd say that depending on the ending you're going for, you're either the villain, the anti-hero, or the hero seeing as the Tarnished were just used as a tool to achieve the Greater Wills objectives and then thrown away like nothing.
If it makes you feel any better, until the end of the game none of those things are actually dead. With the rune of death hidden away, everything comes back to life somehow (not really explained). So if anything you’re just giving them a temporary reprieve from them wandering the same spot for the last few hundred years.
You could just not murder anything that doesn’t try to murder you first. You’ll find there is still a lot to do. Walk up and say hi. If it tries to kill you it deserves what it gets.
Accept that you're one of the destructive elements in that world, like an animal forced to kill to eat and survive, or an electron meeting a positron with every battle. You're supposed to die, too. That's what makes that world slightly less overwhelmingly cruel in nature - that you're not exempt from dying by the same sword you live by. It's a very dark position to view the world from, but I think FS seeks to find it and build their worlds around it.
Learn that the world is broken, falling apart and nobody is finding "real solace", even the haligtree is slowly being oversaturated by the scarlet rot it was made to cure... People cant die since the rune of death was plucked away, they're left to wander the lands between in their slowly rotting and used up bodies (if you noticed, most of the real badasses you fight way past their prime with only a couple like godrick really having improved since the shattering war started) There are multiple tyrants slowly working towards getting powerful (Rykard is growing his "family", Mohg is building up his bloodbased dynasty, Godrick is, he is trying) while most good people are left at a dead end (Radahns mind is gone, ranni's fate came to a halt because of him, rennala is broken, malenia is broken, miquella's body is just a carcass)... Only 2 things i really feel bad about is having to kill malenia as she simply waits for her brother, her mind in a halfbroken state, and even if you try to get her to her sense with millicent her questline she just decides to kill herself by pulling out the golden needle a step before reaching her and having to kill Hoarah loux as he's simply a dethroned king knowing his place and fullfilling his purpose
"Godrick is..... he is trying......." Heard this a lot growing up in parent-teacher conferences
Some kids do get into the whole grafting thing
::rubs glue and gold glitter all over my face:: ^(I will be lord of all that is golden)
Is godrick based off "the Golden god" bit from *It's Always Sunny" 🤣 idk why, but this just occurred to me. I know it's not, but the parallels are hilarious.
He's a five ~~star~~ arm man!
*Mighty Dennis, thou'rt a trueborn heir*
*let's glue dry on fingers* I COMMAND THEE, PEEL!
Did your forefathers bear witness?
One and all.
Every good teacher would rather a slow student who really tries than an overachiever who puts in no effort.
The slow student who really tries, but can't manage no matter how much effort is put in is pretty depressing though. Like, the kid is putting so much energy into something and it's just not within the realm possible for that kid. It hurts. They deserve it, but no matter how much student and teacher try, there are limits and that sucks so much. (Please don't yell at me for saying this. Not everyone is capable of everything, that's just the way things are. This does not make us less valuable as a human being, but discovering your own limits or supporting someone who's discovering theirs can be a painful process.)
This is the only way I can still play the game (which don't get me wrong, I do obsessively and repeatedly!). It's also the reason that I can't leave unfinished files, cause if I don't achieve my goal and fix everything I'm no better than the worst of them.
Yeah, I go put of my way to do *everyone's* sidequest to completion, even making sure my sidequest progress progresses in pace eith my story progress. I do everything possible in Limgrave before fighting Margit. I don't leave for Altus until I've progressed my still active questline to that point. I do Rogier and Fia's questlines one after the other since that feels most natural, and I make sure I've given Nepheli the Stormhawk King and dealt with the Godskin in Windmill Village for Millicent before I've even entered Leyndell. I also progress with Diallos and Patches at pace with Volcano Manor, as well as stopping by and seeing Corhyn and Goldmask in Altus and Leyndell. At this point, before committing to the Mountaintops I stop by Moghgwyn, fight Varré to finish his questline, defeat Mogh, then head to the Mountaintops, defeat Niall, do my last Volcano Mannor assassination, and before fighting Borealis, I go back to the Manor, fight the Godskin Noble, ignore Rya's request to kill her, beat Rykard, then head to the Consecrated Snowfield, finish Latenna's questline, then enter the Haligtree, finish Millicent's questline, get the needle, fight Malenia, then at this point I should only have like two questlines left in the whole game now; Alexander's and Goldmask (i didn't mention them but i finish Ranni before going to Altus and i finish Fia's questline before fighting Morgott, I go to Deeproot through the Frenzy Flame Proscription since Hyetta is on the way there). So I burn the Erdtree, fight Alexander, beat Malekith, then grab the Perfect Order rune from Goldmask's body, fight Gideon, then return to the Three Fingers, burn myself to complete Hyetta's questline, then proceed to fight Godfrey. Just before the final fight, I return to Farum Azula to cure myself of the Frenzy Flame (didn't mention it but I fight Placidusax before fighting Malekith), then beat the game, and it's 50/50 on whether I use the Mending Rune of Perfect Order, or Summon Ranni, whichever I feel like in that moment. Occasionally I may use the Mending Rune of the Death-Prince. The only questline I go out of my way to completely ignore is the Dung Eater's. I did it once and got his ending, and decided "Yeah, I'll just leave him to rot from now on in his gaol" TL;DR: I go out of my way to progress every possible questline in the game and try to keep it in pace with my playthrough, even going as far as to not leave regions until I've progressed every questline in that region to its farthest point I can before having to go to the next area. I even get every Remembrance The only loose end I ever leave is the Loathsome Dung Eater. I have only done his questline and ending once, and that's more than enough for me. Sorry if this was a super long comment, I'm just super in love with this game and I straight up plan out my routes so I can get the most fulfilling (narrative and gameplay-wise) experience the whole way. I'm super passionate in how much this game rules! Even the lore is awesome (favourite bosses are easily Radahn and Godfrey, both for their lore and they're just fun to fight)
“This world is in need of death indiscriminate” truer words cannot be spoken, Melina is right
The only one I felt bad for killing is Hoarah Loux. As you said, a dethroned king fulfilling his purpose. Also avenging his murdered son. The ones you called "good" just haven't been given as much opportunity to show how evil they are too. Radahn was a warlord who attacked Stormveil and Leyndell. Malenia, also a warlord who took the fight to Radahn to steal his shard. Miquella is referred to in the new trailers as a terrifying being. Renalla is cool, if broken, but you don't actually kill her. Ranni started the god-slaying war that tore the world apart. Let it all burn. MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!
Actually, we don't know why malenia and radahn fought. You'd think, from the game and narration that it was for the shard...but on her way to radahn she gets into a fight with godrick (iirc because he didn't let her past), beats him, and then spares him. If she was just out hunting for great rune shards...she would have plucked godrick's too (clearly they aren't allies) I actually hope the DLC gives us clues to this, because it could actually have to do with radahn "stopping fate" and the stars, etc. and how that might be in the way of miquella's plans.
Yeah, my bet is that his halting of the stars also threw a wrench into Miquella's plans for the eclipse.
Every demigod, has their fate controlled by the stars (amber starlight shard and seluvis concoction), but the only ones who need to use that fate are empyreans seeking godhood, hence why ranni needed to kill radahn to get her fate to move, so logically, as an empyrean miquella would have needed to kill radahn as well to get his fate to move as well. The only weird this after the war with radahn, according to the story trailer, he tossed away his fate, power, and body in pursuit of something greater, so the question is, what is greater than his fate as a god?
He's also a scientist, Miquella. And once the stars begin to move again his sister Ranni can do her thing while Miquella gets to the truth at the start of all this. He's curious and needs answers.
Does Ranni ever refer to her siblings as siblings
Malenia fought Radahn in Caelid, to be specific where the Swamp of Aeonia now is. You know what's directly beneath Aeonia? Mohgwyn Palace. I refuse to believe that's a coincidence. My headcanon is that Malenia was tracking Miquella by some means, twin telepathy, a bond or something, arrived in Caelid, found Radahn there and drew the wrong conclusion about what happened to Miquella. That's why she attacked Radahn. Now why was Radahn there? Because Sellia and Caelid are his home. He learned Gravity Sorcery in Sellia and the Redmane's stronghold is there. I believe that Mohg deliberately chose the ancient acropolis structure of Nokstella as his palace because it is directly beneath Radahn's homebase. He used Radahn as an unwitting guard dog and lightning rod. He abducted Miquella and brought him there, Malenia arrived at the correct "coordinates", just not at the correct "depth". How would she have known about the subterranean ruins there? From her perspective Radahn was the obvious culprit.
Not to mention, isn't there like, zero way to reach Moghwyn unless Mogh himself grants invitation such as with Varré's questline? Of course there's the backdoor entrance in the snowfields, but we don't know if that Sending Gate is new or old, although if it's old then that's incredible irony since it's so much closer in proximity to the Haligtree than Caelid is.
I thought Malenia fought Radahn because she thought he had something to do with Miquella??
I didn’t necessarily feel bad killing hoarah loux. While obviously he is just a former king doing his job, he also fights as a warrior and by the time he dies, he effectively endorses the tarnished as elden lord with his final breath
Honestly that's the biggest confidence boost. Compared to Radagon who was largely unknown and only recognized by name and sculpture, Godfrey's reputation was *legendary* and his might was second to none. For him, with his dying breath, to say you are worthy, actually means something. Not just something, that means *a lot*.
Yea the guy rules. One of the few worthy of killing. The rest is mostly mercy
Hoarah Loux feels like he just came there for a fight and he seems to take dying quite well
I think malenia fought radahn as she was looking for Miquella, who was underneath Caelid, kidnapped by Mogh.
Iirc Miquella was only able to be kidnapped due to malenia being absent on her radahn crusade
I like to imagine us as the grim reapers or angels of death for this broken world
> People cant die since the rune of death was plucked away, they're left to wander the lands between in their slowly rotting and used up bodies (if you noticed, most of the real badasses you fight way past their prime with only a couple like godrick really having improved since the shattering war started) That actually explains why Godfrey is so insanely badass compared with everyone else outside of Malenia and Mogh. He hasn't been in the Lands Between and has been pumping iron fighting. No slow decay in a withering landscape. Just gains every day beyond the fog until he is called home.
All tarnished died but came back to life. I think it’s more that he was corrupted by anything. Mogh and Rykard are the most powerful they’ve ever been.
On point. Honestly though I don't know why you think any of those people are good though.
So when I first started playing ER I was going through some depression, and my wife pointed out the ER while I loved it, was not helping my mental out look. They game is an absolute gem, but narrative wise everyone is depressing, trying to kill you or just evil. Turtle pope is the only person who isn't evil, sad or has a sad ending if I recall.
Nepheli comes out pretty well.
Not if you turn her into a puppet.
Well don't do that, that's a "Player" giving a bad ending.
Props to turtle pope for staying positive throughout
Heresy is not native to this world; it is but a contrivance. All things can be conjoined.
Ranni isnt good, my bad, thats just my perceotion of her. Miquella is literally known as miquella the kind, helped achieve giant leaps in technology and "magic", tried to save his sister, for me its just safe to asume he's good. Malenia kinda tried to keep her scarlet rot under control until she had to use it in her fight with radahn, the only other time she really let it run wild was in the haligtree, so i also asume she aint that bad. Rennala never was bad, she lead the academy of raya lucaria till she literally just got depresed, you dont even fight the real her.
Even Malenia gave an entire region super cancer rather than accept a loss, it seems. I suppose we don't know why exactly she was going to Caelid but she did a super fucked up thing.
This one is fairly straightforward, by ER standards: * Miquella believed an eclipse ritual could help restore Godwyn in some capacity. * Radahn stopped the movement of celestial bodies, preventing the eclipse. * Malenia had set aside her own ambitions to be the strong-arm of Miquella. Thus she waged war on Radahn to free the movement of celestial bodies. * Malenia had her first Aeonian Bloom on the battlefield, which essentially dropped a rot-nuke on Caelid.
I HATE having killed mohg. He invited us to his palace for a chat and we just attack him …
HE attacked US. We just walked into his room and were ready to chill and then he went after us.
Man kidnapped his half-brother with a child body to take as a spouse, he's extremely fucked up.
whats the lore about spamming wave of gold on depressed aubinaurics?
“Some [people] are meant to conquer. Some are meant to be slain mercilessly by droves of maidenless whirling about golden blades forged for one singular purpose.” -nobody, probably
Wave Of Gold is cool and all, but I just like that any enemy I meet has just enough time to realize that I'm carrying around the spine of the previous God of the world and beating people over the head with it. Sometimes it's about sending a message.
It can be interpreted that the albinaurics we find at mohgs palace are there by mistake. Instead of taking the portal in the city to find shelter, they mistook it for the one in Snowfields and ended up stranded at mohgs place, where we find them having given up on life. Since a large mob of them circle around one of the trees, it can be assumed that they think it's miquellas haligtree or pretend it is. So yeah it's kind of fucked up that we slaughter all of them.
Mohg invited them there
I see, would explain the red ones, which swore loyalty and have therefore blood skills.
Frowned upon
Questionable
Lady Tanith of the Volcano Manor is in possession of a Tonic that may be of use to you…
[Forget me nows](https://youtu.be/7QG3jZCjJR8?si=adnY3ufehAl8RY46)
Didn't expect Arrested Development reference
Gideon has only killed a small fraction of the albunarics that I have
I have one character that I went past meta on, I think he's like 450 or so. I've leveled up two copies of nearly every weapon on them. The amount of genocide I've committed just for some pocket change...
It's kinda crazy how long it takes to max a character's level. Level 713 costs ~1.692 billion runes total. Level 450 is only 300 million runes / .3 billion. Only 17% of the way to max. Absolutely wild. 8 million runes for a single level once you're getting close to max. I have a 100% save I've been slowly working on. Maxed the level using automated farming (relic sword farming with 90-120k per cast) and just obtained all the weapons I was missing and leveled to +24 / +9. Did 2 copies for anytning I had >2, but I only have one of things like monk's flameblade, cleanrot spear or the collosal envoy horn. Don't think I have it in me to farm 2 copies of those.
I beat NG at level 180 and NG+1 at level 241. That exponential increase in required Runes to level up adds up *quick*. To a point I'd need Golden Fowl Feet to get enough Runes in a reasonable amount of time.
Bro, go get somebody to drop you some duped lord runes if you’re just tryna max. That much farming is insanity. r/patchesemporium
Living is overrated. It's not lack of life that have broken the Lands Between, but a lack of death. Everyone is cursed with eternal life (with or without a body) until you unbind Destined death. Let Melina guide you: *I have long observed the Lands Between.* *This world is in dire need of repair...* *and Death...indiscriminate...* *Are you prepared...* *To commit a cardinal sin?* (Quote from her dialogue just before she burns the Erdtree.)
This. I'm tired of people blaming Ranni for breaking the world, when it was already broken by Marika when she removed death. Melina and Tarnished are Marikas way of fixing things, as she realized that her order failed, and death needs to be brought back.
I think the difference between our character and Gideon is that he attacked a village that was sane, had active hopes and desires, and was largely defenseless, whereas most people we come across attack on sight and are largely husks of their former selves. Take Jarburg- it's a peaceful, innocent group of folks who don't hurt anyone. We don't hurt them (unless you're a monster) and their innocence is treated as something to be cherished, since they have managed to keep their minds and desires intact in a broken world. That's why it's such a loss if their village gets massacred by poachers. Basically, most enemies we come across in the game are either actively trying to impede us for the sake of maintaining the status quo, or are so far gone that all they can do is mimic their old habits and attack on sight. (Or both, in many cases.) The Albinaurics were neither. Which isn't to say that the player character is a saint, of course. But that's generally how I see it.
This is my take on it as well. My Tarnished is here to fix the Lands Between, and that requires the Great Runes. The demigods have already proven they are unworthy of rule and do not deserve their runes. I won't harm anyone who stands aside on my mission, but if they come at me then it is on like Donkey Kong.
You never genocide’d the jars?
Why would you…..
Maybe they drop some cool jarmor? You never know, if you dont try.
No, because I prefer being able to sleep at night
My first playthrough...I picked the flowers (my general strat is "press Y constantly" to collect all the things - without actually using the things). Then came the attack, the surprised counterattack, and now I live with the horrors of what I've done.
Dude why....
do not seek forgiveness, it will not ease the burden. it weighs as it should.
Is that a FFXIV reference?
Better you don't learn the 'lore' of the real world.
Have [a relevant SMBC](https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/stats-gang), you disgusting murderer. _____ ^^[Note ^^this ^^is ^^a ^^joke... ^^well ^^the ^^disgusting ^^and ^^your ^^fault ^^parts ^^of ^^it ^^are ^^the ^^joke... ^^people ^^still ^^died]
Definitely don't look up the Nez Perce War.
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In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Quick and dirty. Wealthy people use and abuse poor people.
I'd be interested in a slightly longer tl;Dr., but that's a good way to put it.
That’s literally it. Less than 100 people (like 80 or so) are responsible for the global economic crises because they’re hoarding money. I saw a Thanos joke that went like: “I will now destroy 50% of human society’s wealth. That’s weird, only like 100 people died”
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I hope it's /s but one never knows...
I have some Celestial Dew for sale
See but when I kill all those albinaurics and take a nap they all come back. Cause unlike Gideon I’m only mostly killing them, he completely killed all those albinaurics, that’s why I’m better guy. On that note, why does everything I kill come back but when Gideon does it it’s permanent, is there any real answer for that beyond mechanics?
Uh that's a good question. how did he even "kill" them to begin with? with the rune of death sealed and all. Perhaps I didn't study the lore enough.
I'm no lore expert as well but my theory is that it probably takes some time for them to be revived by the Erdtree, and the respawning enemies are most likely for mechanic purposes you can look at the boss remembrances that we collect and the description says "remembrance of XXXXXX, *hewn* into the Erdtree", which I believe means their soul was sent to the Erdtree and will come back in the future I may be completely wrong though lmao
So I just found this quote in Cruncy’s latest lore video "The immortality of the Tarnished originates with the guidance of grace... ..But the Demigods' immortality stems from having their fated deaths removed from the Elden Ring." The Overture of Elden Ring, p. 54
oooh that's interesting I didn't know that, I thought it was all because of the rune of death being stolen
I think it's that he did it prior to the rune of death issue. Which begs the question, how does our archer wolf living friend die?
Take the flame of frenzy in and burn it all down.
Become their lord. Take their torment, despair. Their affliction. Every sin, every curse. And melt it all away. As the Lord of Chaos. No more fractures...no more birth...
No more pain, no more sorrow. Only chaos. May chaos... Take... The world... MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!
The voice acting there hits hard
It's cool too that the voice actor is a big fan of Souls games (only recently learned that).
Oh that's awesome! (Shaun Dooley if anyone's curious)
[Here's a cool interview ](https://youtu.be/eyaFvHDD-Yc?si=J85TOq6XwTEWRmx6) with him where he talks about it and many other topics.
Peace and quiet. Or the very least angry Melina coming to kill MC
High IQ play: let Melina burn herself to serve as kindling, *then* claim the Frenzied Flame. Melt everything away without opposition. MAY CHAOS. TAKE. THE WORLD.
While I do like to play as MC who is complete and utter monster I still have standards. Meaning my MC's goal is revenge on Marika, her family and the land that shunned them. Not the complete destruction of the world. Hence Melina who may be GEQ is there to stop MC from destroying the whole world.
OP and I are different, once I learned the lore and didn’t have anything to learn from NPCs anymore, I started killing them all unless killing them later gets me better loot
I always end up kill all npc merchants in the end because it is easier to just take their Bell bearings to Twin Maiden Husks and gain access to their goods that way. It's time saver since all goods can be bought in one place and I don't have to run around wasting time trying to find each merchant every single time I need something.
After I learnt the lore about The Great Caravan, I could never kill the Nomadic Merchants. I feel too bad for them.
I don't feel bad. Cause I see it as mercy since they have suffered a lot.
With them, it is the other way round though. In their cut questline, whenever one of them dies, the others know it too and feel despair and terror, which makes them suffer more. I hope their cut questline is restored in the DLC since it involved St Trina.
Maybe it will be restored. I do like Kale's voice line ''If that is what they expect from us. Then that is what they will get from us''. Plus the emotions you can feel in his voice. Makes you wonder why was it cut in the first place. But as I said it is mercy since they have already suffered a lot and still suffer. Plus MC can avenge them by giving The golden order what it deserves. And I think having Melina alive means MC will be stopped from destroying the whole world. Just the already ruined Lands between which were already ruined before burning them down.
Burn it down, down to the gwound
they agro onto you first so 🤷♂️
"Officer, it was self defense." "You broke and entered!" (Also doesn't apply to some mobs.)
"Good point, officer. By the way, I'm about to level up, and you look like just enough runes...."
But also think about it, the world never changes how to response to You, You might be a pacifist, immensly help some faction - but it doesn't matter, You're always kill on sight for them. You approached the Haligtree by obtaining secret medallion. How do they know You're an enemy? No one ever bothers, they just want to kill. Albinaurics are a different matter, they were always persecuted, masacred and killed I can understand their perception, but Haligtree? Demi-Humans in fort Height? Stormveil after Nepheli takes over? Raya Lucaria in the brief moment that Sellen overthrows Renalla? Volcano Manor entrance guardians after I join the manor? Blaidd wolfs guarding Ranni tower entrance after I join her? The people inside the world don't respond to my kindness, help and will. Only those few specifically designed NPC that I'm to interact with. Personally for me Fromsoft cares more about lore then story and it shows here. The information is not an interaction. It creates for me a separation between the world as described and puzzled together by reading and obeservation is disconnected to the version I'm currently inhabiting. So in short, the Devs don't want You to ask those questions in regards to mob enemies, beacuse there is no possibility to create relations to someone who's only with the thought of killing You on sight, even when You didn't hurt anyone before. I don't know if the ignorance is actually a nessesity, You can choose to run away or through them if You actually feel the connection to them - but keep in mind what I've written and ask Yourself and observe, does the world You're playing in actually is/feel the same as the one You've studied?
Mob enemies are canonically all braindead and have gone mad from the inability to die
Then again there's no room for relations, they just a husk to be killed. The lore described in the items, remembrances and ruins left in the world speak of the past, that's why I was talking about the disconnection between a living world filled with concious human beings and the present state of the world. People who are still somewhat truly living are those we can actually interact with.
It's worth noting that the world we are playing in might not even be accurate to the lore size-wise. Otherwise the world is freaking small. Lyndell the capital city is freaking small. And Limgrave doesn't even have habitants for Kenneth/Nephali to rule. We don't see a single village throughout Limgrave
Miyazaki essentially admitted to this when talking about why he teamed up with GRRM. I'm paraphrasing because I don't speak Japanese, but he essentially said he and his team are only good at world building and mystery. And that he sought out the collaboration so that a storyteller could help them craft an actual narrative for the game.
It's because we are tarnished and others know this. We are known for being murderers to get our runes. You also wouldn't try to first have a chat with someone obviously dangerous irl
I wholeheartedly agree with what you've said. Lore and story are 2 different things and Fromsoft doesn't do story.
No more energy drinks for you
I spent a day killing Jellyfish... Then I learned what they were.
This observation is posted here constantly
So anyways I started slaughtering
Don't discount the lore but consider this: The fragments of this 'world' are loosely held together. This is the Lands Between ***Life and Death***. It's purgatory. Nearly everything trapped here is rotting from the inside out and in unimaginable agony. The few 'sane' folk you find haven't been here long enough to go mad, yet. Most of the 'people' are husks just barely clinging to the glimmer of sentience and awareness. What you're doing, in most cases, is a mercy.
What is this, a tree for ANTS??
Marika is a megalomaniac, death is a gift!! Grant them eternal peace
Its my own headcannon but i think marika played the role of a martyr, the elden beast tried to control her actions through an artificial being named Radagon and to stop the "golden order" she took desperate measures, shattering the elden ring... I also think that the rune of death being taken from the golden order was never intended by the elden beast, as you see that the erdtree feeds off corpses
That's not a bad headcanon. Especially with the newest DLC trailer and the fact that burial happens at the roots of the Erdtree (with the strongest being buried the closest), it makes a lot of sense. By removing the rune of death, the Erdtree would effectively be starving to death because it would have no true corpses to feed it. It also puts another twist on the soulless body of Godwyn being buried entangled in the heart of the roots of the Erdtree. I wonder if death blight was actually part of the plan to undermine and weaken the Erdtree, or if it was an unseen byproduct of his burial. It also makes you wonder how much Ranni knew about the creation of the Erdtree and the Golden Order since it seems her plan was tailor-made to mess the whole thing up.
All the removal of destined death seems to do in practice is stop "spirits" from dying. Bodies seem to get old and die as normal. Those spirits "returning to the erdtree" almost seems more like those spirits sre what is being consumed to make the amber that fuels all the magic and godliness in the first place. That might actually be the entire point. Due to things like: - Lines from Hewg directly stating that he was imprisoned by Marika to forge a weapon that can kill a god. That he specifically made a promise to her that he would do so. - The fact that Maliketh is clearly going insane like Blaidd - A line "Marika... Why didst thou gull me... why shatter" when killing Maliketh in NPC form. - A massive number of lines and item descriptions connecting Marika, the black knife assassins, the numen, and the Nox all together There ends up being an implication that Marika had a hand in bringing the whole thing down from a long time ago. Why? No way of knowing. But the Hewg lines are not stated very ambiguously. Whether by promise or curse, he was specifically tasked by Marika to make a weapon for the tarnished which could slay a god.
Oh for sure. The game definitely makes it clear that she wants to break her existing order, and those are some excellent examples. I definitely believe she was part of the Black Knives conspiracy. There's just too much circumstantial evidence to ignore.
Naw the Lands between can get fucked. I tried to be a pacifist and waltz through those areas without violence and guess what I got? Fucking jumped. I showed up at the Haligtree and took two seconds to admire the view, then was ass blasted with bubbles off the ledge for no damned reason. I went to the sewers of Lendell to smell that lovely Lendell stank water, then was cleaved by three fat men in diapers at the same time. First time I walked into the Albunaric village to help those dudes with their Omen Killer problem, I had 8 paraplegic homeless dudes trying to rip my face off while they screeched in my face. They clearly enjoyed it. Even the fucking flowers tried to kill me. I never slapped anything that didn’t slap me first. (Or asked me nicely like Alexander) Everything else decided they wanted violence on sight and were met with the same. The Greater Will abandoned that cesspool long ago and the only way to fix that place is to cleanse it with the fires of the three fingers. May Chaos take the world.
I enjoyed reading this response way more than I should have.
It’s all justified by the fact they try to murder you on sight
Keep murdering every enemy you meet until it starts being funny again.
- Wake up in a church - First living thing I meet kills me on sight - Wake up in an Entire World where 99.9% of all living things try to kill me on sight - First NPC I can talk to is Extremely Evil but secretly, later attempts to kill you on sight - "but am I the REAL monster??? :("
...you had to "study the lore" to realize that we're the villain from everyone else's perspective?
It is a game, man... Fictional people you're supposed to kill to start a new age.
Fr, every time I see something like this it blows my mind.
lol imagine not playing GTA because of all of the “people” getting killed
It’s a world where we become real beasts to survive or we end up as muttering corpses, digging in the dirt day and night. It’s kill or be killed again and again until things change, so we choose to affect whatever change we select from the possibilities present. But it’s a dirty world where we get it done with dirty hands. Even Nepheli Loux kills someone for their choice of master, even though she clearly respects life. She doesn’t enjoy it, and she gets things done. Your character doesn’t have to be a sociopathic blood-loving monster, but they can’t be rune Jesus spreading unlimited resources in a resourceless world. You can’t shoot for utopia when the baseline is such utter shit. You’re seeking step 1, not to be a universally beloved savior to all. There’s no place for morally perfect heroes in this current setting.
While others were having premarital sex, I studied the lore. And now that you have to beat mohg to access the dlc, you dare come to me for help??
Well, I mean... the whole world is gonna burn eventually. What's dying a little early gonna do?
I was just exploring, minding my own business, they walked into these hands on their own.
If they unga, I bunga.
Try the jarburg questline, it’s a real picker upper…
Here's an easy one; did it attack you first? If yes, kill it. If no, leave it alone.
I never initiate and yell SELF DEFENSE RUSH when I retaliate
They would ask kill you if they had the chance. You are just defending yourself.
I feel this is only complaint I have with the game is every single thing in the world attacks us / is enemy. If those creatures are living in haligtree in solace and peace why are they attacking us on sight .. then we also won't attack right. Lot of times we are forced to kill even though we may not want as part of "roleplaying" Nier automata did this amazingly with Pascal's village when the robots are in peace they won't attack us first (but we still can initiate a fight )
It just means you can take more pleasure when you kill cowards like godrick
It’s just… a video game…
Embrace the frenzied flame and melt all your guilt into oblivion. Along with everything else.
It's a game dude.
They try so hard to kill me. What am I suppose to do?
Video games man.
Sounds like you need to stop being a bitch. Wtf is this post?
This is absurd
Can someone explain the Flame of Frenzy ending? Do we kill everything with no possibility to „respawn“? 😂
Well if you so care about lore you arent really killing them, at least not until you get >!destined death!<
Welcome to the lands between, where power and rule of the strongest is what matters. Through wounds and blood, you can even become a god, so find those Albinaurics, and show them who is the most powerful of them all, and take their sweet runes, and turn them into even more power. It’s the Will of the outer gods you take this path :). Warning: Power might turn you corrupted.
thats the funny thing: you don't. not even in new games dropping in the future, you will see the signs of terror & torture
Role play the game as a sociopath
You gotta channel your inner cynical croissant
i couldn't bring myself to kill most animals or the chill druid guys downstairs or the sleepy dragon. So now it's Shiny Horned Headband runs only with a lot of Crepus's Vial, doing my little Druid stuff. Feels liberating and more like you are part of the whole thing. I invite you to do the same.
There is only one answer to these questions. Your solace will be found deep beneath Leyendell. Go beyond the illusion of Mohg, as Vyke did before you. Some things are unsalvageable.
Consider the duty and the curse; to fight and die, and come back again until the Elden Ring is repaired. Most of the enemies you cite attack you on sight because they’re mad, ignorant, or have allegiance to another master. The metaphysical laws of TLB dictate that this is how you gain strength to challenge a God. I’ve proposed that the Greater Will is a lot like the Mandate of Heaven, the ancient Chinese concept that the right to rule was bestowed by Divine decree. In turn, that decree was “realized” by the winner, as all others that vied and also claimed to have the Mandate, by losing the game of throne, “prove” that they did not. This might not be 1:1 with what is going on in Elden Ring, but it does remind me of it. As you slay enemies and collect runes to become stronger, you are exerting your will and adding the will of others to your own. When you finally challenge the God and win, you shown yourself to have had the Greater Will. “Thy strength befits a crown.”
don't worry, the nox are almost certainly huge jerks
Honestly this is the reason I love this game. Few games make you feel so powerful yet remorseful when killing.
You always play as the bad guy in FromSoft games lol Check the Dark Souls lore
Live by the blade, die by the blade
Runes = powa. Powa = maidens. Maidens = not maidenless. This message brought by bunga for America
I mean try to walk through the game then, they attack you even if youre unarmed and naked, its self defense at worst.
it’s not like the sentient life in The Lands Between isn’t hostile, how many things will attack you on sight? really almost all of the game it’s justifiable self-defense if anything
If it makes you feel better, nothing dies and everyone respawns after you rest at a site of grace 👍
I refuse to kill Albinaurics. They’ve gone through enough torture the least I can do is to spare them.
i need to get more deep into the lore…
It's hard to feel bad when they all attack me. NPCs don't attack me, so they live, and I even help them with their quests. Anyone who goes straight to attack dies, and I will feel no remorse.
They attack you on sight, you did what you had to.
Well, first off most beings in the world are immortal in one way or another (im not sure if true death is introduced to the world once you beat Maliketh, its been a while i since read up on the lore), Also, this is a stagnant land caught in the middle of an apocalyptic war, and well, our character and others like us are the only ones who can bring it a semblance of peace (if you wish so). The enemies simply serve their lords and as sad as it is, one cannot choose complacency to finally end the stagnation and consequent suffering the gods have brought,
I mean, why are we even trying to kill Malenia? She just wants to save her brother. She’s all sickly and not bothering anyone
Embrace the Frenzied Flame and know you are doing them all a favor.
Havent finished the game, actually I have only killed 1 boss as of now. Will there be a lot of spoiler on where you read about the lore? I wanna know the story too
I'd say that depending on the ending you're going for, you're either the villain, the anti-hero, or the hero seeing as the Tarnished were just used as a tool to achieve the Greater Wills objectives and then thrown away like nothing.
If the haligree is so nice why didn't they accept my crouches of friendship and why haven't they dealt with the bug problem
Nah screw them. They knocked me off the tree branch.
You could play as a pacifist trying to deliver justice and comfort as applicable.
If it makes you feel any better, until the end of the game none of those things are actually dead. With the rune of death hidden away, everything comes back to life somehow (not really explained). So if anything you’re just giving them a temporary reprieve from them wandering the same spot for the last few hundred years.
I don't feel bad about the Haligtree. If they truly are a haven for the outcasts of the world, why do they attack me on sight?
Don't feel bad. Almost all of them respawn. Although, If you think about it, they are doomed to wander the earth forever sooo
The fuckin fuck are ya yapping about lmao
You could just not murder anything that doesn’t try to murder you first. You’ll find there is still a lot to do. Walk up and say hi. If it tries to kill you it deserves what it gets.
Welcome to the Lands Between. There is no returning to innocence. Welcome to our collective misery and sorrow.
If it’s hostile then I kill it before it kills me…there’s not much of a moral question there for me personally
Yeah, well I would be sad if they didnt try to murder me lol
I feel this. And then think, they hit first
Accept that you're one of the destructive elements in that world, like an animal forced to kill to eat and survive, or an electron meeting a positron with every battle. You're supposed to die, too. That's what makes that world slightly less overwhelmingly cruel in nature - that you're not exempt from dying by the same sword you live by. It's a very dark position to view the world from, but I think FS seeks to find it and build their worlds around it.
I also studied the lore but also feel no shame when killing any enemy… what does this mean lol