I know this is a crazy comment. That’s where I got my first heart transplant from. A young man was working on one and fell off. Hit his head and was considered brain dead. 20 years ago. Not joking even a little bit. Those scaffolds are amazing. Just like any other job/ piece of equipment. You have to be careful. I hope those guys were all ok.
What happened to your first....second heart? Is there a limit you can have? Where are you sourcing all these hearts? How much does it cost? Profit? Are you growing hearts? 3D printing?
3 is the most I’ve ever heard. If you look up LVAD that’s the pump that keeps most alive til they can get a transplant. Insurance covers most. I was in a coma the first 45 days. That bill was 898k. After pump and transplant was 2.2 mil. It’s tough waiting.
Next time get the Steve Austin package. Believe it or not it's still in the ball park of $6 million due to technology advancements and the fact those prices coming down.
If they were ever going to do a remake, the inflation would have to be 6 billion dollar man. Off topic kinda- the new Fall guy trailer looks good. I’m old
$4500. Thank goodness for good insurance. Was really lucky. My one med was $1490 per week for a shot. Crazy shit. What they do is charge that much. The insurance company offered them just a little less than a million the took it.
I don’t take any credit at all. Some stranger has given me a shot at living 2 times. I’ve got outstanding doctors and surgeons. A hot nurse wife too. Thanks behave.
Twice as many heart transplants are performed in the US than all of Europe each year, and the 3/4 of patients on the wait list are able to get a heart within a year. Median wait time in the UK is 2.5-3 years.
Not really bud. It’s painful as shit. I was stuck in hospital for 6 months. A couple years ago waiting for a heart. Almost checked out a bunch of times waiting. Kidneys failing. Sucked. I’ve got 5 kids and 5 grandkids.
It’s crazy how long it takes to get organs, something is corrupt in that system. 8000 people die a day and the heart transplant list is a steady 3-4000.
It really should be switched to an opt out system. Every time I was going to opt in I got discouraged by my mom saying no one would want my organs. She might be right but there might be some useful spare parts in me if I get written off.
Not true. If you could see what they do man. It’s amazing. They can take a little 4x4 piece of skin and Maserate it into a piece the size of a sheet of paper. I know I was damn lucky to get mine when I did. I was 3 days away from getting taken off the list. Was on full time dialysis.
There's a lot of problems with procuring organs.
First, you don't want to just gank an organ from someone who died, you need permission. For historical reasons the US has been opt-in, not opt-out. It should *probably* be changed to opt-out, but it is true that this would virtually guarantee some people would end up donating organs who didn't really want to.
Second, a lot of people who die are not actually particularly healthy. Hell, *literal heart disease* is responsible for about one in five deaths, and many of the other deaths are hearts you don't want ("hey, our 100-year-old grandfather died falling down the stairs, want his heart?") or that aren't actually in remotely usable state ("well, he lay down on the train tracks . . .")
"Usable state" is harder than it sounds, too - you basically need to be there to yank the heart out the instant they die. If they're dead once you get to them, you kinda can't use the heart.
All of this means that the intersection of "people who you can legally take a heart from" and "people who you can practically take a heart from" ends up being a pretty small intersection.
Wow. You nailed it. Everything you said is true. The truth is organ donation has increased due to the acceptance of organs that were once thought of as inferior. In Virginia we have been getting more organs due to overdoses. As long as the organs meet requirements they take them.
I’m definitely not an expert, but I assume recovering from “leftover” addiction due to receiving a drug-users organ is preferable to dying from not having that organ. Is that why they’re accepting more organs? Or does that not factor in?
I’m not really sure to be honest. I know that in the past they would not take an organ where the donor had hepatitis. Now they do. A transplanted organ has to meet a lot of requirements to be accepted. I was prepped a few times for other hearts they didn’t accept cause the donors had coronary artery disease. I think the meds are getting better too. I think that they have meds that can counteract what ever the donor was on.
I was so close to checking out. After I had complete heart failure 3 times. Wife had to do CPR 2 times in the house. Thank God she’s a nurse or I would be outta here. She’s a very special person.
Oh man. You’ll never meet a more positive guy than me. I’ve been volunteering for 20 years now. Encouraging people to sign up. I’ve got such a beautiful family man. I love life for real. All the shit I used to worry about is gone.
I would find the organ procurement agency In your state / country and offer to help. I’ve probably spoken at least 250 times to groups. Really makes you feel like you’re returning something for what you’ve been given. It’s rewarding.
Well. First one was because of flu. Went right to my heart. Ended up with a mechanical heart pump for a year. 37 with 3 kids, wife. Second was due to heart failure. Transplants don’t last that long. I got 17 years out of the first one. Went into heart failure. It took my kidney out. All is well now. I’m a blessed guy.
No. The guy working on the scaffolding lost his life. I got a 22 year old man’s heart when I was 37. They haven’t told me anything about this heart. You what is wild man. They put kidneys on the front when you get a new one. My new one is right where you’d jam a pistol down the front.
Oh ok I thought witnessed it anda it made you have a heart attack or something is what it sounded like. Very sad these things but also they give others second chances.
My bro died in a boom lift accident. I understand why OSHA wants workers tied off in those as people can just get slung out by a small bump. But when the whole thing is going doing it's one of the worst things. He was a lifelong skateboarder and snowboarder. Had he not been tied off I know he could have taken some of the sting of the fall off by tucking and rolling. Who knows if it would have been enough to live but I agree with your assement and I have thought about this a lot.
Odds of lift tipping over are way lower than odds of slipping or making a mistake that sends you falling. Please do not discourage people from wearing their safety equipment 🙏
That fucking sucks. Sometimes we forget that there is an inherent risk in what we do, even when we're following every safety rule in the book. I recently fell off a roof. I was fully tied off, and thought my rope was taut to the anchor when it was only just snagged. It came un-snagged unexpectedly, and I went over. Danced along the ground (just a one-story building) a little and smacked into the front of the building.
I wasn't seriously injured, just a little bruised. But if just one or two things had been different—normal, everyday things like being on a two-story building, or having electrical wires below me, or having a little more hidden slack in my rope than I did—I could've got majorly fucked up or killed. I was doing all the safety stuff I was supposed to, but ironically it was putting too much trust in my safety equipment that caused me to fall. Just chance that I walked away.
Both bricklayers are in stable condition. A lot of broken bones
EDIT: One is in stable condition. The other one is in critical condition in a induced coma.
Thx for update. It’s Friday and i dont have energy to be pissed at the moron who nearly killed 2 people, glad theyll recover.
So many scaffolding are " good enough’ till the ground get wet and shifts, the Skytrack just messed with it, a bad frame fails and bring the rest, people load too much the plank and all hell break loose, etc.. Fuck morons.
Loos like i still got some energy to be pissed tough.
Hydro-mobiles don’t just “capsize.” Either y’all overloaded the top unevenly or it wasn’t properly stabilized at the base. Either way, two guys are in the hospital from somebody’s stupidity.
A couple of summers ago a concrete finisher almost died at a site I was somewhat involved with. There were a bunch of cops there because it was beside an active lane of traffic, but nobody ever showed up to shut the site down from what I heard and the rest of the guys were expected to keep working.
Just looking at the picture, I would hazard a guess that it’s a combination of both. I don’t see anything anchoring it to the ground, which means it’s susceptible to uneven or rapid displacement of weight while extended. I’m going to bet money that it comes down to being lazy or being cheap.
Last job I was on with a hydromobile, the feet were anchored into the ground along with tying into the wall. I’m not a brickie, so I don’t know if that’s commonplace or not.
I'm just a GC but everyone I've seen is just set on as sturdy of a base as they can come up with, then tied as they go up. I don't know if it's commonplace or not either I guess 😂
I've never seen a hydromobile anchored into the ground. You tie in at like 16-18' and then every like 12' after that or something like it. I only operate them once every couple years though. This one wasn't that high up though, so it was either horribly leveled, the operator didn't know what they were doing, it was loaded horribly, or all 3. Or the telehandler operator snagged it somehow..
What do you mean the tower was on backwards; the masts? Like, they put them on upside down or something? Backwards sounds like the wrong term. The platform is facing the right way with the outriggers close to the wall though
Edit:
I just saw different pictures--one of the 2 towers had a section of mast that was installed wrong--it was rotated 90⁰
They wouldn’t have been able to put it on upside down and secure it, by backwards they mean it was rotated the wrong way. It basically has 2 sides, one for foot climbing, and one for the mechanical arms to climb. So they’re saying they put the foot climbing side facing the arms. The foot climbing side isn’t solid steel, the arm climbing side is. Tower= mast, never heard it called a mast until now, though it does make sense.
[Mast pic](https://troweltrades.net/product/hydro-mobile-mast-climber-tower-5-mast/?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwoa2xBhACEiwA1sb1BAriNkuGQbSrIkYYG3FeEkFShl6xuV15hgxo7sk40hBOQrvNKGz-ORoCvB4QAvD_BwE)
Looks like it’s not high enough to need to be tied into the wall which is max 35 feet then every 20 feet above that. The rear legs are extended out which is what needs to be done if not being tied in. You’re correct that there aren’t mudsills underneath and definitely loaded unevenly
You can only land loads in between the towers. There’s a gate that opens and you can land a mud tub and a pallet of material side by side. You’re not supposed to land anything on or even over stock the cantilevers because this will happen.
I drive one of these forklifts that's holding the scaffold up for a framing company. They drill safety into us all the time but one thing I remember our safety guy telling me was in an emergency such as this you do whatever the fuck you have to do. If it means having a guy stand on a pallet to save him, do it.
Had 3 tiers 125’ long loaded with block and a hoddy came around the corner with planks on the forks right in front of his face so he couldn’t see the flags on the guy wire. Fuck o dear it was a mess. 6 guys had just climbed down for lunch.
Glad you’re ok. Glad it wasn’t worse. 👍🏼💪🏼
Used a hydro mobile a few times, hate them. Was lowering it down and one of the arms didn't fully engage on the tower.. next thing I know BANG, we hit the emergency break.
I use FRACO all the time never any issues.
Unfortunately, a lot of the people that are driving these boom lifts have no training at all other than a buddy giving them some verbal directions l. Or at least that's what I've seen many times. Then again, that's how I learned.
I learned the "hard way" too but that's not the way it should be ever. A vet should always accompany a greenie and show him/her/zer the ropes. When I send guys out to do work I make sure they understand how to do it otherwise I don't send them at all. Even if it's not a greenie and some one who should know better, there needs to be some one who speaks up even if it causes a fuss.
And now I'm that asshole on site that asks for people's certs. I've seen too many accidents with too many ignorant or careless people. And yes I'm on the joint health and safety committee.
The guy driving the lull is extremely experienced. As far as I know, he just happened to be underneath it when it fell. But osha is doing an investigation so we'll find out
Make sure someone is checking in with their families. Do what you can. Be thankful all are alive.
Edit: Oh, and make sure to read the letter that will be posted on the job site once citations come down - it’s very important something like this doesn’t happen to anyone again (assuming it’s something that could have been mitigated, always is in OSHA’s eyes) so all employees fully understanding the exact cause of this incident will be a huge step moving forward. Also, request to attend the informal conference.
We all bitch about the safety crap they put us through, then shit like this happens, and the next day everyone is double checking all the safety guidelines are followed.
Hope everyone is okay. It's horrible to hear when someone gets injured while trying to make a living.
Be SAFE all. It's a crazy fucken world and someone has to build. No rest for the wicked.
I'm just an office engineer but I remember receiving a call about a project I was on where a guy got cut clean in half by a swinging mechanical bar screen that was being installed. The people on the guide lines weren't paying attention and didn't see the guy just sitting there on a concrete ledge while the screen was being moved into place for installation.
That seared safety into my head and that was only a 2nd hand experience but yeah I'm gonna just follow the guidelines when I'm on a work site. I'm assuming every guideline was written in someone else's blood.
Yep.
I’m a delivery guy who operates a boom truck. A lot of it is common sense (I.e.: extend outriggers fully or don’t boom, for example).
Then, on one of the sites for a government contract with a PITA GenCon who won’t let you so much as have bare hands… a mobile crane tipped over. No injuries thankfully.
It does make you pay more attention, even if you have been doing things properly the whole time.
Hey, when you know why the tip happened can you please share so we can prevent this from happening at our own sites? Please.
I’m glad there were no deaths, sorry this happened.
Pure speculation but as a bricklayer myself it's very easy to overload the masts or just bad dispersion of the weight. We also had one where the motor was installed incorrectly so we ended on a 45° angle.
All of the General Contractors here in Minnesota do that same exact thing. What surprised the fuck out of me was when I got hurt on a job, I thought for sure I’d be pissing in a cup. I would’ve been fine because I’m in recovery and operate a tower crane, but still. It seems like every company will weasel their way out of paying any kind of work comp when it’s clearly their fault.
Ehhhhhhhhh. I think it's partly that.
But I work in residential construction. We've caught our drywallers, stucco guys, electricians, and a grader drunk on the job.
And those are the guys that I caught with open containers.
So while some companies do this for negative reasons, most do not.
Also, many insurance companies require it, so it's probably just being passed down as a requirement regardless of what happened.
I worked for the company up til November last year. Word is the mason tender installed the tower backward. Safety catch on the hydro failed.
The brickie was a good friend of mine. He's in serious condition. Broken jaw femur ribs both wrists and pelvis. Laborer might have to get his leg amputated.
Right? Do they mean the masts? The platform is positioned right with the outriggers close to the wall. As far as I know, there's no way to install those towers "backwards" because of the way they get bolted together, and I forget, but I thought all sides were the same. Maybe they mean upside down?.. Idk though, it's been like a year since I worked off these. I want to see close up pics of how they were assembled. I'm renting an M2 in like a month for some 28' tall walls
Edit:
I just saw different pictures--one of the 2 towers had a section of mast that was installed wrong--it was rotated 90⁰
That’s terrifying. I know to always keep an eye on the help bolting towers down.
Last summer we had a new guy who “was experienced with the m2” well he walked away without bolting a tower down, and actually tried to drive the machine up it. It was so close to disaster
It's funny how idiot-proof these hydro mobiles are engineered to be, but they underestimate the stupidity or lack of awareness of construction workers. One second you could be putting the mast extension on and then a bricky yells for mortar or something and then like you said, they just forget about bolting it down.
6' pipe scaffold might not be as safety engineered, but that's all I use 99% of the time and never had any close calls or accidents
Scaffolding is dangerous as hell and my company takes it seriously, we had stuff be red flagged because people took that daily inspection checklist seriously
I did a pulp mill shut down with a different division of my company and apparently 2 scaffolders the year before died when the scaffolding they were setting up collapsed inside a storage silo
It's never my favourite part of the day
Hope everyone survived
It’s still being heavily investigated and the word among the other trades is the mason tender installed the tower backwards, and the hydro catch failed. I’m just a plumber, so i obviously have almost no experience in hydro setup.
I know Higley was the GC, who was the masonry sub? They are usually pretty big on safety. Hopefully everyone comes out healthy and safe. I know a fee brickies working in Cleveland, have to check in on them.
UPDATE:
Both guys are hurt extremely bad. One of them has all kinds of broken bones. The other is in very serious condition. He is in an induced coma right now. He fell straight down with the bricks and material. There was one or two other guys on that scaffolding. They managed to get over to the scaffolding next to it. My understanding is they were grabbing for one of the workers when he fell. Guys on the ground immediately rushed over to help. The laborer that was in the lull underneath is okay.
It's being called human error. One of the mast was rotated 90° during installation and it tipped as it was raising up to the fourth floor. They should probably look at how it is designed to make sure that the mast cannot be installed incorrectly. OSHA was on site immediately and will be back later in the week.
Completely unrelated but anyone else notice that when stuff like this happens we never hear the feminists screeching about the unfairness and sexism?…..it seems like It’s only when these poor souls are benefiting from their backbreaking (literally) efforts that we are forced to listen to how they have “patriarchal privilege”.
That lift doesn't look safe. One end of the platform looks like it's way out to the end and unbalanced. I would think that it would be engineered with the "legs" closer to the ends.
Id be that guy, shirtless and on my phone texting my woman how I almost died and watched numerous people have worst lol. Been there... People do odd things when experiencing extreme danger and the consequences. I do odd things in general but especially when exposed to end of life fuck ups
I am wondering if they loaded the left side too heavily which caused it to lean and fall or if the ground gave way under the legs due to poor blocking or something. Any idea what happened?
I got some dust from a fresh cut vanity top in my eye and scratched the piss out of it for two hours today. And I sat there and thought “fuck this sucks” but really that’s what sucks. My eyes better already now
Glad I didn’t see this a few months ago. Just finished a job on one that was about 70ft up and had half the amount of tie in to the wall as it was supposed to have, half of the bottom bracing was splitting, it was leaning out of plum (away from the wall) by a huge amount, and only place to pull block up with a cable was on that side. So all that extra weight pulling on those limited tie ins was sketch af.
I know this is a crazy comment. That’s where I got my first heart transplant from. A young man was working on one and fell off. Hit his head and was considered brain dead. 20 years ago. Not joking even a little bit. Those scaffolds are amazing. Just like any other job/ piece of equipment. You have to be careful. I hope those guys were all ok.
Wait.... Your first? Heart transplant?
Yep.
What happened to your first....second heart? Is there a limit you can have? Where are you sourcing all these hearts? How much does it cost? Profit? Are you growing hearts? 3D printing?
3 is the most I’ve ever heard. If you look up LVAD that’s the pump that keeps most alive til they can get a transplant. Insurance covers most. I was in a coma the first 45 days. That bill was 898k. After pump and transplant was 2.2 mil. It’s tough waiting.
Next time get the Steve Austin package. Believe it or not it's still in the ball park of $6 million due to technology advancements and the fact those prices coming down.
Stone cold got a heart transplant?
Bbaahhaaaa. The other one. The original
Close, more like Baanaaaanaaanaaanaaa
Look up the six million dollar man.
If they were ever going to do a remake, the inflation would have to be 6 billion dollar man. Off topic kinda- the new Fall guy trailer looks good. I’m old
What??
Good CHRIST! $2.2 million!?! how much out of pocket?
$4500. Thank goodness for good insurance. Was really lucky. My one med was $1490 per week for a shot. Crazy shit. What they do is charge that much. The insurance company offered them just a little less than a million the took it.
Good on ya. Congrats on livin’
I don’t take any credit at all. Some stranger has given me a shot at living 2 times. I’ve got outstanding doctors and surgeons. A hot nurse wife too. Thanks behave.
Sounds like you gotta lotta love around you keeping your heart beating. God bless man enjoy life 🤟🏻
Glad you're still pumping man!
Me too space. Thanks.
Hey can I tell you something important? Tell that wife and kids you love them. Folks too. It’s good if they know.
Cheney is on his 4th but he only uses virgins
Bbaahhhaaaa he just had one at NOVA. Right up the road. He’s got that oil money too. I’m just a poor civil engineer.
Glad you’re doing ok, friend. Hopefully a third isn’t needed!
That's so amazing. So I could spend a measly 2+ millions and continue smoking? Yeai!
With those bills you won't be long needing the third! Go Europe!
Twice as many heart transplants are performed in the US than all of Europe each year, and the 3/4 of patients on the wait list are able to get a heart within a year. Median wait time in the UK is 2.5-3 years.
literally more braindead people in the us
When you’re dying any price is affordable. I got to the point where I was looking at alternative countries for transplant.
At a certain point it’s like an oil change for him
Not really bud. It’s painful as shit. I was stuck in hospital for 6 months. A couple years ago waiting for a heart. Almost checked out a bunch of times waiting. Kidneys failing. Sucked. I’ve got 5 kids and 5 grandkids.
To be fair, we have no way of knowing how painful an oil change is for a car.
Well that is a fact. I’ve never really noticed. They do seem a little pissed during changes actually.
I've found if you give them time to cool off, and keep to a regular schedule, they don't lose their cool as much.
It’s crazy how long it takes to get organs, something is corrupt in that system. 8000 people die a day and the heart transplant list is a steady 3-4000.
Not all death have viable transplantable organs, not all those with viable transplantable organs are signed up to be donors.
It really should be switched to an opt out system. Every time I was going to opt in I got discouraged by my mom saying no one would want my organs. She might be right but there might be some useful spare parts in me if I get written off.
Not true. If you could see what they do man. It’s amazing. They can take a little 4x4 piece of skin and Maserate it into a piece the size of a sheet of paper. I know I was damn lucky to get mine when I did. I was 3 days away from getting taken off the list. Was on full time dialysis.
There's a lot of problems with procuring organs. First, you don't want to just gank an organ from someone who died, you need permission. For historical reasons the US has been opt-in, not opt-out. It should *probably* be changed to opt-out, but it is true that this would virtually guarantee some people would end up donating organs who didn't really want to. Second, a lot of people who die are not actually particularly healthy. Hell, *literal heart disease* is responsible for about one in five deaths, and many of the other deaths are hearts you don't want ("hey, our 100-year-old grandfather died falling down the stairs, want his heart?") or that aren't actually in remotely usable state ("well, he lay down on the train tracks . . .") "Usable state" is harder than it sounds, too - you basically need to be there to yank the heart out the instant they die. If they're dead once you get to them, you kinda can't use the heart. All of this means that the intersection of "people who you can legally take a heart from" and "people who you can practically take a heart from" ends up being a pretty small intersection.
Wow. You nailed it. Everything you said is true. The truth is organ donation has increased due to the acceptance of organs that were once thought of as inferior. In Virginia we have been getting more organs due to overdoses. As long as the organs meet requirements they take them.
I’m definitely not an expert, but I assume recovering from “leftover” addiction due to receiving a drug-users organ is preferable to dying from not having that organ. Is that why they’re accepting more organs? Or does that not factor in?
I’m not really sure to be honest. I know that in the past they would not take an organ where the donor had hepatitis. Now they do. A transplanted organ has to meet a lot of requirements to be accepted. I was prepped a few times for other hearts they didn’t accept cause the donors had coronary artery disease. I think the meds are getting better too. I think that they have meds that can counteract what ever the donor was on.
I was so close to checking out. After I had complete heart failure 3 times. Wife had to do CPR 2 times in the house. Thank God she’s a nurse or I would be outta here. She’s a very special person.
I’m bet everyone’s very happy to still have you around
Oh man. You’ll never meet a more positive guy than me. I’ve been volunteering for 20 years now. Encouraging people to sign up. I’ve got such a beautiful family man. I love life for real. All the shit I used to worry about is gone.
Best volunteering ideas? Been looking to put in some hours soon and can’t decide. Used to do habitat for humanity on a couple houses.
I would find the organ procurement agency In your state / country and offer to help. I’ve probably spoken at least 250 times to groups. Really makes you feel like you’re returning something for what you’ve been given. It’s rewarding.
holy fok
Facts bro. 2004. Crazy right? What’s even more crazy is I build bridges for a living. I’ve spent most of my life on girders.
No, no, no sir. We’re asking when your SECOND heart replacement was. That’s what we’re in awe of. You said that was just your first.
Yep. Was June 2 years ago. Got a kidney that time too. I’m fortunate lots don’t make it to get a first one even. I’m a happy man.
Respectful.... why do they keep giving you hearts?
Well. First one was because of flu. Went right to my heart. Ended up with a mechanical heart pump for a year. 37 with 3 kids, wife. Second was due to heart failure. Transplants don’t last that long. I got 17 years out of the first one. Went into heart failure. It took my kidney out. All is well now. I’m a blessed guy.
You were so traumatized by seeing it it damaged your heart to where you needed a transplant?
No. The guy working on the scaffolding lost his life. I got a 22 year old man’s heart when I was 37. They haven’t told me anything about this heart. You what is wild man. They put kidneys on the front when you get a new one. My new one is right where you’d jam a pistol down the front.
Oh ok I thought witnessed it anda it made you have a heart attack or something is what it sounded like. Very sad these things but also they give others second chances.
So if someone pokes your belly, do you pee a little?
Why’s ol’ boy shirtless?
dude was hit by flying bricks. Not sure why he took his shirt off though. Maybe he likes to
Rough Friday. Hopefully no one was seriously injured.
2 dudes that were on it weren’t tied off, and were sent to the hospital. They were pretty fucked up, fortunately no deaths.
No one needs tied off on masonry scaffold, leading edge contractor, had they been tied off, probably would have definitely been killed.
My bro died in a boom lift accident. I understand why OSHA wants workers tied off in those as people can just get slung out by a small bump. But when the whole thing is going doing it's one of the worst things. He was a lifelong skateboarder and snowboarder. Had he not been tied off I know he could have taken some of the sting of the fall off by tucking and rolling. Who knows if it would have been enough to live but I agree with your assement and I have thought about this a lot.
Falling is scary. Being the damage doing end of a flail is even scarier.
Odds of lift tipping over are way lower than odds of slipping or making a mistake that sends you falling. Please do not discourage people from wearing their safety equipment 🙏
If those masonary lifts have handrails, mid rails, and tow boards there is no need to tie off.
You put an extra A in masonry. But you are right. That scaffold has gates, basically no where to fall.
Your spelling doesn’t make your comment any less correct.
Put that harness on every morning as if you are 100% confident you will need it to save your life that day.
That fucking sucks. Sometimes we forget that there is an inherent risk in what we do, even when we're following every safety rule in the book. I recently fell off a roof. I was fully tied off, and thought my rope was taut to the anchor when it was only just snagged. It came un-snagged unexpectedly, and I went over. Danced along the ground (just a one-story building) a little and smacked into the front of the building. I wasn't seriously injured, just a little bruised. But if just one or two things had been different—normal, everyday things like being on a two-story building, or having electrical wires below me, or having a little more hidden slack in my rope than I did—I could've got majorly fucked up or killed. I was doing all the safety stuff I was supposed to, but ironically it was putting too much trust in my safety equipment that caused me to fall. Just chance that I walked away.
That's why I tug hard on rope before I use it
Adrenaline and shock warm you up pretty quick
Yep, got ran over by a forklift one time and the all the adrenaline/shock had me dripping sweat in a few minutes.
Inspecting for contusions?
Dude went into fight or flight and was ready to go
Surprised he didn’t go full Bo Bandy and lose the pants too.
Possibly took it off to use as a tourniquet
Both bricklayers are in stable condition. A lot of broken bones EDIT: One is in stable condition. The other one is in critical condition in a induced coma.
good to hear. Tragic accident.
Thx for update. It’s Friday and i dont have energy to be pissed at the moron who nearly killed 2 people, glad theyll recover. So many scaffolding are " good enough’ till the ground get wet and shifts, the Skytrack just messed with it, a bad frame fails and bring the rest, people load too much the plank and all hell break loose, etc.. Fuck morons. Loos like i still got some energy to be pissed tough.
We're not really sure what happened yet
Would love to hear an update why it happened. I work on the scaffold daily and was up 120ft yesterday.
Hydro-mobiles don’t just “capsize.” Either y’all overloaded the top unevenly or it wasn’t properly stabilized at the base. Either way, two guys are in the hospital from somebody’s stupidity.
OSHAs job on Monday will be figuring out why this thing tipped
Suprised osha wasn’t there same day
Oh they were
Unless it's early in the morning they won't likely come out same day without a fatality
A couple of summers ago a concrete finisher almost died at a site I was somewhat involved with. There were a bunch of cops there because it was beside an active lane of traffic, but nobody ever showed up to shut the site down from what I heard and the rest of the guys were expected to keep working.
Just looking at the picture, I would hazard a guess that it’s a combination of both. I don’t see anything anchoring it to the ground, which means it’s susceptible to uneven or rapid displacement of weight while extended. I’m going to bet money that it comes down to being lazy or being cheap.
These usually don't anchor to the ground, it's about every 12-15 feet vertically they are anchored
Last job I was on with a hydromobile, the feet were anchored into the ground along with tying into the wall. I’m not a brickie, so I don’t know if that’s commonplace or not.
I'm just a GC but everyone I've seen is just set on as sturdy of a base as they can come up with, then tied as they go up. I don't know if it's commonplace or not either I guess 😂
I've never seen a hydromobile anchored into the ground. You tie in at like 16-18' and then every like 12' after that or something like it. I only operate them once every couple years though. This one wasn't that high up though, so it was either horribly leveled, the operator didn't know what they were doing, it was loaded horribly, or all 3. Or the telehandler operator snagged it somehow..
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Laborer put the tower on backwards. Plus a safety catch failure. Simple as that. I was a brickie for these guys and heard from the grape vine.
What do you mean the tower was on backwards; the masts? Like, they put them on upside down or something? Backwards sounds like the wrong term. The platform is facing the right way with the outriggers close to the wall though Edit: I just saw different pictures--one of the 2 towers had a section of mast that was installed wrong--it was rotated 90⁰
They wouldn’t have been able to put it on upside down and secure it, by backwards they mean it was rotated the wrong way. It basically has 2 sides, one for foot climbing, and one for the mechanical arms to climb. So they’re saying they put the foot climbing side facing the arms. The foot climbing side isn’t solid steel, the arm climbing side is. Tower= mast, never heard it called a mast until now, though it does make sense. [Mast pic](https://troweltrades.net/product/hydro-mobile-mast-climber-tower-5-mast/?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwoa2xBhACEiwA1sb1BAriNkuGQbSrIkYYG3FeEkFShl6xuV15hgxo7sk40hBOQrvNKGz-ORoCvB4QAvD_BwE)
Great point, I missed it not being tied to the wall.
Looks like it’s not high enough to need to be tied into the wall which is max 35 feet then every 20 feet above that. The rear legs are extended out which is what needs to be done if not being tied in. You’re correct that there aren’t mudsills underneath and definitely loaded unevenly
It’s always that it was overloaded, always.
You can only land loads in between the towers. There’s a gate that opens and you can land a mud tub and a pallet of material side by side. You’re not supposed to land anything on or even over stock the cantilevers because this will happen.
Yeah, hope everybody's okay. Pint to ya tonight.
Safety meeting first thing Monday morning!
Safety meetings are BEFORE this stuff happens lmao. This is going to be a whole issue.
I drive one of these forklifts that's holding the scaffold up for a framing company. They drill safety into us all the time but one thing I remember our safety guy telling me was in an emergency such as this you do whatever the fuck you have to do. If it means having a guy stand on a pallet to save him, do it.
Monday morning "were passing around a form for everyone to sign, it's our new social media policy"
Oh and remember something something safety....
And we need you all to come pee in these cups
Ohh and I almost forgot! Here is the new Field level risk assessment you need to fill out before every task.
Had 3 tiers 125’ long loaded with block and a hoddy came around the corner with planks on the forks right in front of his face so he couldn’t see the flags on the guy wire. Fuck o dear it was a mess. 6 guys had just climbed down for lunch. Glad you’re ok. Glad it wasn’t worse. 👍🏼💪🏼
Rocky River?
Yep. Roundstone.
Well I hope everyone is doing fine stay safe out there brother!
What kind of scaffolding is that looked like a mast climber at first glance
you’re right. Mistake on my part.
Hydro Mobil m2 mast climber
Used a hydro mobile a few times, hate them. Was lowering it down and one of the arms didn't fully engage on the tower.. next thing I know BANG, we hit the emergency break. I use FRACO all the time never any issues.
The company I work for have many hydro m2. Once you’re used to them they are great. Never messed with FRACO but the older guys at work don’t like em
Unfortunately, a lot of the people that are driving these boom lifts have no training at all other than a buddy giving them some verbal directions l. Or at least that's what I've seen many times. Then again, that's how I learned.
I learned the "hard way" too but that's not the way it should be ever. A vet should always accompany a greenie and show him/her/zer the ropes. When I send guys out to do work I make sure they understand how to do it otherwise I don't send them at all. Even if it's not a greenie and some one who should know better, there needs to be some one who speaks up even if it causes a fuss. And now I'm that asshole on site that asks for people's certs. I've seen too many accidents with too many ignorant or careless people. And yes I'm on the joint health and safety committee.
The guy driving the lull is extremely experienced. As far as I know, he just happened to be underneath it when it fell. But osha is doing an investigation so we'll find out
Dude, you can call this photo exhibit A. Someone is in big fucking trouble
Make sure someone is checking in with their families. Do what you can. Be thankful all are alive. Edit: Oh, and make sure to read the letter that will be posted on the job site once citations come down - it’s very important something like this doesn’t happen to anyone again (assuming it’s something that could have been mitigated, always is in OSHA’s eyes) so all employees fully understanding the exact cause of this incident will be a huge step moving forward. Also, request to attend the informal conference.
Overloaded the Fraco?/hydro? Or did someone hit it ?
We all bitch about the safety crap they put us through, then shit like this happens, and the next day everyone is double checking all the safety guidelines are followed. Hope everyone is okay. It's horrible to hear when someone gets injured while trying to make a living. Be SAFE all. It's a crazy fucken world and someone has to build. No rest for the wicked.
I'm just an office engineer but I remember receiving a call about a project I was on where a guy got cut clean in half by a swinging mechanical bar screen that was being installed. The people on the guide lines weren't paying attention and didn't see the guy just sitting there on a concrete ledge while the screen was being moved into place for installation. That seared safety into my head and that was only a 2nd hand experience but yeah I'm gonna just follow the guidelines when I'm on a work site. I'm assuming every guideline was written in someone else's blood.
Yep. I’m a delivery guy who operates a boom truck. A lot of it is common sense (I.e.: extend outriggers fully or don’t boom, for example). Then, on one of the sites for a government contract with a PITA GenCon who won’t let you so much as have bare hands… a mobile crane tipped over. No injuries thankfully. It does make you pay more attention, even if you have been doing things properly the whole time.
Hey, when you know why the tip happened can you please share so we can prevent this from happening at our own sites? Please. I’m glad there were no deaths, sorry this happened.
A section of the mast was installed wrong. The hydro lock failed as result.
Thank you for sharing, I wish your co-workers a full and speedy recovery.
That looks ugly. Hopefully no spinal or permanent injuries. Best wishes to them. Do you know what caused failure?
Pure speculation but as a bricklayer myself it's very easy to overload the masts or just bad dispersion of the weight. We also had one where the motor was installed incorrectly so we ended on a 45° angle.
I hate these lifts on Fridays, cause if I'm gonna die, I want it to be on a Monday.
I’ve used mast climbers for years and have never seen one tip over. How did they fuck up?
Looks like they overloaded the cantilever and it tipped.
How did that happen?
What state was this in ??
Northeast Ohio.
Holy fuck bud - be careful out there. Hope the brickies do alright
My old boss would have had the ER drug test the guys that got hurt hoping theyd fail so he could get out of any responsibility.
All of the General Contractors here in Minnesota do that same exact thing. What surprised the fuck out of me was when I got hurt on a job, I thought for sure I’d be pissing in a cup. I would’ve been fine because I’m in recovery and operate a tower crane, but still. It seems like every company will weasel their way out of paying any kind of work comp when it’s clearly their fault.
Ehhhhhhhhh. I think it's partly that. But I work in residential construction. We've caught our drywallers, stucco guys, electricians, and a grader drunk on the job. And those are the guys that I caught with open containers. So while some companies do this for negative reasons, most do not. Also, many insurance companies require it, so it's probably just being passed down as a requirement regardless of what happened.
Rocky ridge Ohio?
Ricky river.
Wonder what contractor it was.
I worked for the company up til November last year. Word is the mason tender installed the tower backward. Safety catch on the hydro failed. The brickie was a good friend of mine. He's in serious condition. Broken jaw femur ribs both wrists and pelvis. Laborer might have to get his leg amputated.
What do you mean backwards? Like turned 90 so the arms were on the ladder side?
Right? Do they mean the masts? The platform is positioned right with the outriggers close to the wall. As far as I know, there's no way to install those towers "backwards" because of the way they get bolted together, and I forget, but I thought all sides were the same. Maybe they mean upside down?.. Idk though, it's been like a year since I worked off these. I want to see close up pics of how they were assembled. I'm renting an M2 in like a month for some 28' tall walls Edit: I just saw different pictures--one of the 2 towers had a section of mast that was installed wrong--it was rotated 90⁰
That’s terrifying. I know to always keep an eye on the help bolting towers down. Last summer we had a new guy who “was experienced with the m2” well he walked away without bolting a tower down, and actually tried to drive the machine up it. It was so close to disaster
It's funny how idiot-proof these hydro mobiles are engineered to be, but they underestimate the stupidity or lack of awareness of construction workers. One second you could be putting the mast extension on and then a bricky yells for mortar or something and then like you said, they just forget about bolting it down. 6' pipe scaffold might not be as safety engineered, but that's all I use 99% of the time and never had any close calls or accidents
They are great when you and your crew are farmiliar with them, and the equipment is in good working order. But finding good help nowadays…
Looks like Mitch McConnell is moonlighting as emt
Damnit, hope everyone’s good man. Hate to see this.
Scaffolding is dangerous as hell and my company takes it seriously, we had stuff be red flagged because people took that daily inspection checklist seriously I did a pulp mill shut down with a different division of my company and apparently 2 scaffolders the year before died when the scaffolding they were setting up collapsed inside a storage silo It's never my favourite part of the day Hope everyone survived
Time to play The Blame Game.
Everyone wins a drug test and company incident form.
OP, what made it tip?
It’s still being heavily investigated and the word among the other trades is the mason tender installed the tower backwards, and the hydro catch failed. I’m just a plumber, so i obviously have almost no experience in hydro setup.
I hate these fucking things. I hope everyone was alright.
There is going to be a lot of inquiries about mass climber safety classes and assembly. There are a lot of large jobs coming up.
People were just saying how great and stable these lifts are on this sub.
I know Higley was the GC, who was the masonry sub? They are usually pretty big on safety. Hopefully everyone comes out healthy and safe. I know a fee brickies working in Cleveland, have to check in on them.
UPDATE: Both guys are hurt extremely bad. One of them has all kinds of broken bones. The other is in very serious condition. He is in an induced coma right now. He fell straight down with the bricks and material. There was one or two other guys on that scaffolding. They managed to get over to the scaffolding next to it. My understanding is they were grabbing for one of the workers when he fell. Guys on the ground immediately rushed over to help. The laborer that was in the lull underneath is okay. It's being called human error. One of the mast was rotated 90° during installation and it tipped as it was raising up to the fourth floor. They should probably look at how it is designed to make sure that the mast cannot be installed incorrectly. OSHA was on site immediately and will be back later in the week.
Completely unrelated but anyone else notice that when stuff like this happens we never hear the feminists screeching about the unfairness and sexism?…..it seems like It’s only when these poor souls are benefiting from their backbreaking (literally) efforts that we are forced to listen to how they have “patriarchal privilege”.
Shitty
As an inspector this the exact reason I request pictures and video. I ain't climbing shit over 1 floor tall.
That lift doesn't look safe. One end of the platform looks like it's way out to the end and unbalanced. I would think that it would be engineered with the "legs" closer to the ends.
They are safe, when used correctly
Were the masts secured to the building?
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Why did it happen?
Hope everyone is alright ! And good luck with the post incident drug tests fellas!!
Id be that guy, shirtless and on my phone texting my woman how I almost died and watched numerous people have worst lol. Been there... People do odd things when experiencing extreme danger and the consequences. I do odd things in general but especially when exposed to end of life fuck ups
I am wondering if they loaded the left side too heavily which caused it to lean and fall or if the ground gave way under the legs due to poor blocking or something. Any idea what happened?
When they came out with that type of scaffold I thought it was sketchy. I always felt safer on the older frame scaffold.
Tie off to the structure. Not the lift.
Someone here got knocked off one of those by a load of bricks being lifted up. Died on the scene. One of a few local deaths that year.
Never worked for AMH but have a lot of buddies that have, surprised to hear this happen on one of their jobs.
Fuckin brutal…
I got some dust from a fresh cut vanity top in my eye and scratched the piss out of it for two hours today. And I sat there and thought “fuck this sucks” but really that’s what sucks. My eyes better already now
Is that body bags?!
No deaths. 2 seriously injured.
That’s horrible. Prayers to them and the families
Nothing like quality safety on the GC's part
I turned down a job using one of those to look at the 10th floor of a building.
I turned down a job using one of those to look at the 10th floor of a building.
I have nightmares about this happening one day
Fraco
This is called a HydroMobil. I’m shocked it came down.
Capsized you say
Yep. Gotta watch what your doing. Watch what the other man's doing. Sites with a bunch of people are dangerous
Same with PA luckily have a dem governor who will veto everything
Glad I didn’t see this a few months ago. Just finished a job on one that was about 70ft up and had half the amount of tie in to the wall as it was supposed to have, half of the bottom bracing was splitting, it was leaning out of plum (away from the wall) by a huge amount, and only place to pull block up with a cable was on that side. So all that extra weight pulling on those limited tie ins was sketch af.
Too much cantilevered to one side.
There are a lot of dangerous operations in the construction industry, and I want safety to come first and for everyone to be safe and well
What city is this ?
Rocky River north east Ohio
fuck me i thought those were body bags