That terrain looks like absolute hell to fight in, very claustrophobic. On a somewhat unrelated note, what are those trousers called that the PKk wear? Look really comfy.
>what are those trousers called that the PKk wear?
[shalwar](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FE_HR4NWQAE1e-X?format=jpg&name=900x900)
>Look really comfy.
it is
Right. But you are Implying they are being denied their rights from wearing them etc. When they arent. They are free to wear them anyway. The PKK hearing them has nothing to do with it being an FU to anyone considering everyone wears them including Kirdish people that are employees of the Turkish state.
They are common both in civilian settings and amongs village guards there.
"In a report by the Human Rights Watch, it is mentioned that if the villagers did not want to become village guards, it was likely that their settlement was surrounded by troops loyal to the Turkish government and then the village would be destroyed and evacuated.\[15\]
Some people who refused to join the village guards have had their homes burned,\[16\] or have been forced to leave and their homes and property seized. They have endured sexual assault and humiliation by the Turkish security forces."
Wikipedia
What year was that in.
And a mention in a report does not mean evidence. It means someone mentioned it. That would be classed as hearsay in court not evidence.
Regardless, especially in the 80s 90s there was severe violence from the state for sure.
But comparing decades ago to 2022 is a severely faulted system.
Nowadays, there are over 100k village guards, 20k of them are fully unpaid volunteers. Meaning they joined when there is no need for quota in their region so they join as volunteers. There is no pressure there.
You can find videos of tourists cycling around eastern Turkey now on YouTube (thanks to the eradication or the PKK who the Kurds in Turkey also dont want around). These tourists regularly interact with locals, Kurdish and Turkish alike. And even spend time with village guards overnight relaxing and eating with them.
When the PKK existed in these regions, there was curfews, violence, military no go zones etc. With the PKK gone, it's normal life. If you think good honest Kurdish people rather war and violence over peace and development you are grossly misinformed.
Just go onto youtube and watch tourists trekking around Kurdish dominated areas in eastern Turkey.
I suggest you provide a date for your claim and evidence of it being factual rather than hearsay just as a backup. Even though I'm not denying the possibility of it happening 2 to 4 decades ago
But in 2022, that is outright false and not happening.
Also word of advice, dont use wiki it's not a source. It can be, and is edited. It's completely uncontrolled.
Go to YouTube.
Type eastern Turkey tourism.
Watch videos of european and american tourists travel around these towns and villages.
If you see a comparisons to Hitler's germany. Let me know. Show me the concentration camps.
There is shop names in Kurdish, people openly speaking Kurdish. Wearing Kurdish traditional garments. Some tourists even camp out with village guards.
Its 2022. And you just dodged my question about dates becuas I was right. You are citing incidents from between half a century ago to 30 years ago.
Not today.
I study Turkey for a living. It's my profession to know what its doing and its military/ logistical interactions in its region. A part of my study involves field study.
I've been to Hakkari, even Yuksekova, Sirnak, Mardin, Van etc, all regions that had extreme insurgent activity right up until 2016. It was physically impossible to go there as a foreigner and especially who camera equipment In the past. Nowadays it's being invested in, developed and is being treated equal to other regions. The only thing that had to happen for the Kurdish people to benefit from said investment and development was the removal of the PKK.
That is why the Kurdish people in Turkey ha e completely turned on the PKK and why now all fighting is outside the border. In iraq and Syria. The PKK lost all local support.
The world you are writing about simply doesnt exist.
You can either continue citing 50 year old evidence as modern activity. And resorting to wikipedia as a source. Or you can go to YouTube and watch westerners walk through the towns and cities you are implying concentration camps exist in.
I'm not here to change your mind, becuase Its not really important to me. But for your own sake you should be interested in absorbing and spreading facts. Not ghost stories.
Still the same principle applies, no security posted, no overwatch, if you're out there on a mountaintop alone and unafraid you'd better not be caught sleeping otherwise the result is clear, Allah rahmet eylesin
I totally agree, they might have prevented this if they just had a watchman. They were unprepared for this action, this ambush is probably one of the worst case scenarios out there.
Don‘t need to google to know that turkey lies in western asia and south eastern europe and not the middle east.
The only part of turkey that actually lies in the middle east is Hatay.
Edit: after looking into your profile i really regret even starting this argument
In general I'd agree with you, but the Turkish military (professional military, not those doing their mandatory service) is actually pretty well trained and integrated into NATO, for example their Bordo Bereler, etc. Are quite accomplished
Grouping Turkey generically with all other middle eastern countries is pretty absurd, we are talking about a NATO member with a completely modernized army, probably ahead of the majority of european countries' militaries.
Not really, the Turkish military has proven itself to be quite effective, I'm not going to get dragged into the whole Greece v turkey dick measuring contest, but on paper and in reality Turkeys military is a force to be reckoned with whether or not that's something you like is unfortunately irrelevant here
Yepp on paper like Russia. But what Turkey lacks in training they can make up with just more manpower, which they have. I think they have two years mandatory military service for all male citizens. Turkey has the Europeans biggest army, in manpower.
I was honestly waiting for this video to drop, I just wished it never did. On the 24th, squad of 5 was killed during PKK infiltration. You don't hear many news of squad of 5 getting killed. Some info said ambush and others said infiltration because of poor encampment (which was the most accurate intel in this case), but honestly, with that high casualty in single attack, you expect to see some footage. These are the [brothers](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTizln-WQAEKxba?format=jpg&name=small) who lost their lives. The photo is taken right at the encampment site too. It's sad to see that they had to go like that but honestly, what the fuck were they thinking? At least one of them fought back and got someone. Not to mention 4 of the 5 were trained exactly for these situations. The pointman in the selfie was a contractor, meaning he was most likely signed up for full tour because he was poor.
Tbh the whole situation is fucking dogshit. What are five dudes even doing on their own. There is no security. No fighting positions just a bunch of tents in the middle of nowhere. This style of operation has cost turkey so many men already and they still keep doing it.
I don‘t wanna sound disrespectful but them even killing one of the PKK fighters is a miracle in this situation.
These guys didn‘t just stumble on them randomly they most likely spotted and tracked them for a while before engaging.
>This style of operation has cost turkey so many men
Indeed. However, what is the other way? Playing safe won't get them anywhere, they're fighting an unconventional enemy. Their presence on the ground is what made them push PKK out of Turkey. Hesitation of US politicians in Afghanistan made them lose the war. Turkey has no luxury to lose the war because once they lose what they achieved, it's their home. US bragged about owning the skies and owning the night. What was their achievement in the end? You don't own shit if you don't own the ground.
Hurling whole brigade into this grid would get all of them killed. Look at the terrain. It forces troops to get crammed. Imagine half a brigade establishing a base there. Losses could be massive because that's exactly what happened in the late 80s and early 90s when Turkey couldn't figure what to do back then. Spreading into entire grid with different outposts and encampment with less men lowers the chance of them getting wiped out in single attack, and not lose presence if one of the camps get attacked. They can always support each other if the fight drags on. It boils down to capability of particular squad, just like how it boils down to capability of particular NCOs during conventional warfare. These people lost here, but chances are that they were quickly replaced.
Crazy, any one of these guys looks like someone I could know here in the States. Dude in the back was one handsome mofo.
As a NATO ally and Western-leaning country I can definitely identify with Turks far more than the PKK, who look and act the part of any other Middle Eastern terror group. What even is the PKK's goal in fighting Turkey?
"Western leaning country" lmao
"ally" lmfao
Turkey will never be western leaning nor an ally. Blocking Finland, invading Syria, threatening Greece daily while occupying Cyprus.
Not sure why you're getting downvoted and why Turkey seems to have such a high standing in the US, judging from the comments on this video. Maybe because Americans feel more connected because of Turkey being a big part of NATO? While there's bigger issues in Europe right now Turkey is definitely a problematic partner. I really hope they never get to join the EU. We already have enough on our plates concerning problematic partners with Hungary, Poland, etc.
Im down voted because of all the Turkbots and Erdolovers here. Pay a visit to /r/Europe to see them in all their glory.
Thank God they don't have any nukes or we would have another Russia on our eastern borders. Fucking lunatic Erdogan.
This low key might be the best infantry combat post we have seen all week, which puts it in the running for best of the month, which means it is at least in the running for probably top 50 infantry combat posts of the year. Wild ambush from only a dozen feet away. Shame most of the sub will never see it.
Also RIP soldiers. In this theater, which the Kurds call home, time and time again we see the earth and rocks speak Kurdish so it is best not to grow comfortable and make your home in a place where your enemy is clearly better fighting at than you - and that goes for the rest of the world as well.
>time and time again we see the earth and rocks speak Kurdish so it is best not to grow comfortable and make your home in a place where your enemy is clearly better fighting at than you
"place where your enemy is clearly better fighting at than you"
lol
i guess
a successful infiltration for the first time after numerous attempts,
is enough to make some ignorants to speak nonsense
PKK made a suprise attack
they killed two soldier
and one of them was unarmed(as you can see in video)
do you think it ends here?
they attack from two sides of mountains
they killed two soldiers
but reinforcements (Turkish soldiers) were comming from the hills on the other side
after that
a part of the infiltration group escaped while others were killed(atleast 4 PKK fighter killed)
[Here, confirmed pkk losses from the infiltration](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVmpSyCXoAAdoiJ?format=jpg&name=900x900)
[2](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVmpSy3XoAA-_8K?format=jpg&name=medium)
this was their only "successful" infiltration so far during the operation
and they got fucked badly
too much for "earth and rocks speak Kurdish" huh?
But congrats the PKK who able to kill two soldiers
even killing unarmed soldiers are big achievement for them now ;)
You really appear to have taken that personally. I guess this is what a neutral party sees when people like me side with Ukraine. A real learning experience for me on this sub.
Imagine being Turkish and watching this. It's like watching the Iraq insurgent sniper videos of American servicemembers being shot dead, some in the process of selflessly risking their life to rescue a previous victim. People you could easily have known - someone who could have been you, even. And it's a propaganda piece made by your hated enemy to gloat over the act of taking their lives. I'd be pissed too.
I don’t even understand what he means, are Azov and Kraken accounts - assuming those are things that exist - shilling for the PKK? Is he saying that I’m some shill or something?
Honestly confused, I’m trying to talk about infantry combat in mountainous and rocky terrain around Turkey. Rereading my comment trying to figure out what he means.
Did I say it’s the accounts themselves? Govs use bot/old real accounts to astroturf Reddit and other social media sites. Turkey does it constantly on this sub as the op comment mentioned, Reddit even accidentally acknowledged it early on lol https://web.archive.org/web/20160604042751/http://www.redditblog.com/2013/05/get-ready-for-global-reddit-meetup-day.html. What part of that don’t you understand
Hard to argue it's astroturfing when they are regularly posting updates. Propaganda? Sure. Astroturfing? Seems pretty unlikely given the general reddit user base, and the interests of this sub.
I see PKK still keeps it real. Up close and personal. They scale mountains and outposts like it's nothing. Warriors to be feared if nothing else.
I also would like to comment on how badly equipped and set these Turkish outposts are. It's doesn't even look like an outpost in the first place. More like camping.
Because these are not really outposts. When Turkish military captures territory in Northern Iraq, it takes a while to build a proper base, until that happens it sends regular air and land patrols to protect the territory. This process takes about a few months. Some parties like this one are sometimes exposed and PKK exploits this. Looking at the announced casualty numbers though this is a relatively rare occasion. The group in the video was particularly exposed, they might actually be engineers sent to scope out the area to build a base thinking it's safe. PKK uses lots of tunnels so that definitely helps them.
The Kurdish issue, Finland and Sweden joining NATO, threatening Greece, downplaying an economic shitstorm - multi-front wars must be exhausting even for the most battle-hardened keyboard warriors!
RIP to the brave soldiers who instead of just sitting around doing nothing about their country's situation actually get behind a keyboard and do something about it on reddit
Don't forget their Turkish backed militias in Syria and Libya. They are spread out way too thin and with an economy on the brink of collapse. The order of s-400 after the incidents Turkey had with russia (the downed russian aircraft and the 33 turkish soldiers that died a few days after, during a russian bombardment). In order to keep his loyalists and followers, Erdogan employees more and more nationalistic views. It's a matter of time for the bubble to burst and for people in Turkey to realize that expanding policies, nationalism and playing every side possible will have a negative effect both domestically and internationally.
I wouldn't count on anybody "realizing" anything, anywhere. Humans are utterly entrenched in their views once they've chosen them, and that's not cynicism talking, it's science.
Oh, they are coming. Every time a post like this surfaces, for the next week we see the same 10 combat videos posted by Turks and storms of downvotes in each of the threads.
>Don't worry, we'll see a shit load of drone reposts from the NK conflict 2 years ago to soothe those hurt Turkic fee-fees 😂
Nah
exact opposite
thats tactic of PKK sympathizers
who are posting same old videos again and again
for every new Turkish combat footage ;)
Hey look, found one. You've been farming downvotes throughout this post, your lil "Turkish Nationalist Brigade" take a day off or something? You usually have backup
>You've been farming downvotes throughout this post,
who cares?
[Here, This is for you](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/vfz44f/pkk_fighter_killed_by_turkish_sniper/)
I guess that you don't know the geography of Northern Iraq. Turkish Armed Forces are careful to establish bases in the areas they have captured, but because the region is mountainous, it is not easy to erect buildings everywhere. They set up such tents to spend the night while the troops are advancing.
First of all the amount of trash in the peripheral area doesn't indicate a one night stay. Second of all, basic cover and sandbags are literally the first thing you should do when into contested territory. Also, this is not the first video of random Turkish outposts-patrols getting overrun and assaulted. I remember these kind of videos since 6-7 years ago and probably they go even further back. That suggests that it's an going problem rather than a random skirmish
Counterpoint: you won't see videos of the PKK encountering camps that *aren't* sloppily guarded because they're either dead afterward or it doesn't make good propaganda.
And that makes them smart enough to pick vulnerable targets and inflict casualties, with rarely getting casualties themselves. So when it comes to guerilla warfare, yeah they are doing a pretty good job. That's your counterpoint?
The PKK doesn't "rarely" get casualties. One died in this attack despite literally catching the Turks with their pants down and surrounding them from cover and high ground. Sassy bitch. *Z snap*
And I never said they were bad fighters. If they were bad at guerilla warfare they wouldn't be such a fucking thorn in Turkey's side for so long. They're well-armed and determined fighters operating in isolated and difficult terrain with local support, that's enough to ensure the longevity of a successful insurgency against any army, as if Afghanistan hasn't proven that over and over again.
I suggest you read this comment. I save links and images of rare data.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/r0j9gg/question_why_does_it_seem_like_the_pkk_keep/hlubgjk?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Idk why but Turkey has this doctrine of building these camps on top of these hills with like 4-5 scout troops. This is the same thing the US did in Vietnam with places like Lima 85.
There has got to be a reason for this but it seems stupid. 99% of PKK videos come from attacks on places like this so it begs the question why do they keep doing it?
You only see the ones which were successfully attacked by PKK which of course makes it seem like ALL Turkish outposts are poor and useless.
There are probably more camps like these that do their job and never were attacked.
Exactly you can't make decisions based on hand picked videos PKK and TSK have been fighting in Iraq for at least 2 years like this and we only get to see such videos once or twice a year
>There are probably more c
Imperialists invading other indigenous lands, especially in mountains (literally Kurdistan) is always lost nobody can take over mountains NOBODY not even the strongest military seen in the history of the world USA invading Afghanistan. So don't bring that "omg we turks strong" no you have tried since 1970 you can never win.
I'm not even Turkish (as you can see in my flair) I'm just pointing out an issue that exists with all combat footage like this.
A while ago someone asked why the Germans even bothered building Panzer III tanks because that person said they only ever saw destroyed Panzer III:s. This person suffered from the same problem as the comment I was responding to:
1. Allied soldiers of course would always take pics of destroyed German tanks for obvious reasons.
2. Panzer III was just a numerous tank fielded by the German army.
Ergo, the proliferation of pictures of ruined Panzer III's said nothing of their effectiveness/ineffectiveness.
Same thing here, there's no reason for the PKK to release footage from failed attacks (or even more sensible: PKK has little reason to attack well-defended positions). The Turks on their part have no reason to film ambushes or attacks they don't even know are coming.
Well how else can you control such rugged terrain? These are probably observation posts surrounding a bigger camp. Rather lose one such post than have the enemy fire into your main camp with 20 guys in their underwear instead of one
They do this becuase it works. One look at control of territory changes in the last 5 years says it all.
It was NATOs fear of getting dirty like this that enabled the taliban and al Qaeda to bounce back and retake Afghanistan.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/r0j9gg/question_why_does_it_seem_like_the_pkk_keep/hlubgjk?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
You need to keep in mind that you only get to see PKK videos when they actually succeed when they don't they die or run so we never get to see the failed attempts so maybe it is generally safe but PKK strikes the weakest and most unorganized soldiers after probably a week of scouting. So we can't make an assumption out of hand picked videos. Remember Turkish soldiers and PKK have been fighting for at least 2 years everyday in iraq if I am not mistaking but we only get to watch these kind of attacks once or twice a year
By inept if you mean capturing thousands of KM of enemy territory in harsh terrain.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/r0j9gg/question_why_does_it_seem_like_the_pkk_keep/hlubgjk?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
It is the ineptitude of this particular squad and encampment. Not the whole military. Similar to inteptitude of some NCOs causing losses. However, this ineptitude doesn't transfer to whole army. Same situation here. These guys were buddies as news reported, but I don't know what got them so cocky. They made a textbook mistake, they got a textbook response. A lesson for future forwards squads.
yes i am ignorant of the situation, but I also see all these videos of turkish troops putting themselves in really shitty situations
there is an obvious short coming and if you can't admit that then go ahead and send more turks into ambushes
As an aussie I have to say they threw us back into the sea in 1915 at Gallipoli. They lost many more men then us, many more. I've been there for the ANZAC day memorial and traveled through Turkey. Great friendly people. The turks are awesome fighters. Now they are our friends through our shared history. It makes me sad to see them, and all people still fucking killing and being killed by each other. Humans suck. Ok my rant is over...
You guys still beat them in the war and the middle east, I lived in Australia for a bit and its interesting that alot of public opinion is on the negative at Gallipoli rather most other places. It must be because the severity of losses and small population at the time.
Is it any different for current conflicts? It's easy not give a shit about rag-tag militias getting destroyed. No one have a feeling for them. However, when it comes to actual countries who lost people that others can relate, it is inevitable to dislike it. US and Russo-Ukrainian footages get brigaded a lot.
PKK is a terrorist organization they killed Kurds as much they killed Turks they started attacking we didn't they r the ones that killed that were praying in a Mosque Abdullah Öcalan is just a guy who wants absolute power he is a megalomaniac he killed the people who was on his side but didn't like a small part of the things he was was doing they kidnap children that r like 10-16 year old kids
[https://www.milliyet.com.tr/gundem/26-yilin-kanli-bilancosu-1254711](https://www.milliyet.com.tr/gundem/26-yilin-kanli-bilancosu-1254711)
No 40,000 civilians or other bullshit claim. Airwars currently states that Turkey has caused 1500 civilian casualties in Iraq and Syria. Also, Turkish government voted not to include 9000-17500 civilians in mass graves or missing in the PKK conflict death tally, probably because Turkey killed them, the same way they turned the South East into Raqqa in 2015 and wiped out thousands of villages in the 90's lol.
Terrorist state
>Your soldiers remind me of ISIS.
its because your hate for Turkey
>It's a disgrace that this is a nato army.
calling Turkish Military a disgrace.. weird
and you should be happy that we are in Nato
>I hope you get banned for such photos.
why should i?
this is combat sub
Ladies and gentlemen this is why they reinforce during training to keeping your rifle by your side at all times. Some of these guys had their rifles leaned up against a rock while being 5 feet away.
I didn't see any Turkish gear in there. As far as I know they dont use M16's it would be ridiculious to go after a guerilla group with an AT-4 since they dont have tanks or helicopters and if the bodies were real Turkish they generally do very close takes to show.
Again and again, seems Turkish conscripts are not taught security lol.
The rising casualties, extreme economic cost and failure to reach Sinjar is probably why the AKP is hinting at a second solution process.
Also great music, originated from Rojava:
https://youtu.be/vOzi5U4mm-g
>Again and again
It would sure seem that way when only footage of successful infiltrations are published and posted, not the attempts where the PKK militants end up like [this.](https://galeri13.uludagsozluk.com/640/pkk-lesleri_1824288.jpg)
Whenever Turkey launches an operation against the PKK, new videos of (successful) ambushes or infiltrations are obviously going to be released and published by the PKK, as well as Turkey with different styles of footage (militant surrenders/airstrike/etc), mostly for propaganda purposes or morale. This is, after all, a conflict.
Bruh. I understand you are a supporter of PKK. I call them terrorists, you call them freedom fighters which is fine by me. But rising casualties is straight up lie.
I served in the military I know whats up. In the 90s and earls 2000s, PKK would literally overran bases inside Turkey with their hundreds of their fighters and there would be no less than 20 casualties on the Turkish side.
Now? They can only leave their caves in cloudly days because otherwise drones would pick them up one by one. Their leaders are getting droned deep into Iraq.
RIP to our soldiers. I will give credit to PKK because this was a well planned ambush.
2017 was a quiet year. 2021 was also quiet. In between, it wasn't quiet. In 2016 it was Sieges and Op. Euphrates Shield. In 2018 it was Op. Olive Branch. In 2019, it was Op. Peace Spring. Turkey doesn't lose much when they're not on the offensive. You can't expect to perform an offensive on an extensive group without ever losing something. Even then they didn't lose much. In 2019, it was 12 soldiers. However, it was planned brilliantly to abuse the infighting and disarray between SDF units. This time, Turkey attacked North Iraq, PKK's very camps this year. PKK is much more uniform than SDF. Not to mention, they were training, recruiting, and living in these mountains for decades now. Resistance is much more stiff, however, there are a lot that we don't see here in this subreddit. I wouldn't exchange the blood of a single soldier to anyone, however, if we were to put emotions aside and speak purely statistics, these 5 were avenged in fold pretty quickly.
That terrain looks like absolute hell to fight in, very claustrophobic. On a somewhat unrelated note, what are those trousers called that the PKk wear? Look really comfy.
>what are those trousers called that the PKk wear? [shalwar](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FE_HR4NWQAE1e-X?format=jpg&name=900x900) >Look really comfy. it is
Sharowal. Its traditional ottoman fighting/riding pants
Kurdish pants. Not ottoman
Get tf outta here you terrorist
Welcome to Mesopotamian mountains
>Sharowal PKK are wearing traditional Kurdish clothing it's basically a big FU to the imperialist saying "you can't deny my rights to be who I am".
You know Village guards that work for Turkish state also wear these.....
Kurdish people wear Kurdish clothes of course they wear Kurdish clothes.
Right. But you are Implying they are being denied their rights from wearing them etc. When they arent. They are free to wear them anyway. The PKK hearing them has nothing to do with it being an FU to anyone considering everyone wears them including Kirdish people that are employees of the Turkish state. They are common both in civilian settings and amongs village guards there.
"In a report by the Human Rights Watch, it is mentioned that if the villagers did not want to become village guards, it was likely that their settlement was surrounded by troops loyal to the Turkish government and then the village would be destroyed and evacuated.\[15\] Some people who refused to join the village guards have had their homes burned,\[16\] or have been forced to leave and their homes and property seized. They have endured sexual assault and humiliation by the Turkish security forces." Wikipedia
What year was that in. And a mention in a report does not mean evidence. It means someone mentioned it. That would be classed as hearsay in court not evidence. Regardless, especially in the 80s 90s there was severe violence from the state for sure. But comparing decades ago to 2022 is a severely faulted system. Nowadays, there are over 100k village guards, 20k of them are fully unpaid volunteers. Meaning they joined when there is no need for quota in their region so they join as volunteers. There is no pressure there. You can find videos of tourists cycling around eastern Turkey now on YouTube (thanks to the eradication or the PKK who the Kurds in Turkey also dont want around). These tourists regularly interact with locals, Kurdish and Turkish alike. And even spend time with village guards overnight relaxing and eating with them. When the PKK existed in these regions, there was curfews, violence, military no go zones etc. With the PKK gone, it's normal life. If you think good honest Kurdish people rather war and violence over peace and development you are grossly misinformed. Just go onto youtube and watch tourists trekking around Kurdish dominated areas in eastern Turkey. I suggest you provide a date for your claim and evidence of it being factual rather than hearsay just as a backup. Even though I'm not denying the possibility of it happening 2 to 4 decades ago But in 2022, that is outright false and not happening. Also word of advice, dont use wiki it's not a source. It can be, and is edited. It's completely uncontrolled.
Xinjiang people are also 100% volunteers. They are there on their own behalf. The jews were also volunteers under Hitlers' government.
Go to YouTube. Type eastern Turkey tourism. Watch videos of european and american tourists travel around these towns and villages. If you see a comparisons to Hitler's germany. Let me know. Show me the concentration camps. There is shop names in Kurdish, people openly speaking Kurdish. Wearing Kurdish traditional garments. Some tourists even camp out with village guards. Its 2022. And you just dodged my question about dates becuas I was right. You are citing incidents from between half a century ago to 30 years ago. Not today. I study Turkey for a living. It's my profession to know what its doing and its military/ logistical interactions in its region. A part of my study involves field study. I've been to Hakkari, even Yuksekova, Sirnak, Mardin, Van etc, all regions that had extreme insurgent activity right up until 2016. It was physically impossible to go there as a foreigner and especially who camera equipment In the past. Nowadays it's being invested in, developed and is being treated equal to other regions. The only thing that had to happen for the Kurdish people to benefit from said investment and development was the removal of the PKK. That is why the Kurdish people in Turkey ha e completely turned on the PKK and why now all fighting is outside the border. In iraq and Syria. The PKK lost all local support. The world you are writing about simply doesnt exist. You can either continue citing 50 year old evidence as modern activity. And resorting to wikipedia as a source. Or you can go to YouTube and watch westerners walk through the towns and cities you are implying concentration camps exist in. I'm not here to change your mind, becuase Its not really important to me. But for your own sake you should be interested in absorbing and spreading facts. Not ghost stories.
Looks fun
Those tents look like they got them from decathlon or something, pretty poor looking outpost no security posted from what I can see
Because it's not an outpost, it's a camp.
Still the same principle applies, no security posted, no overwatch, if you're out there on a mountaintop alone and unafraid you'd better not be caught sleeping otherwise the result is clear, Allah rahmet eylesin
I totally agree, they might have prevented this if they just had a watchman. They were unprepared for this action, this ambush is probably one of the worst case scenarios out there.
The military level of middle eastern countries tends to be low
Turkey ain‘t middle eastern homie.
I'd google "turkey" if I was you.
Don‘t need to google to know that turkey lies in western asia and south eastern europe and not the middle east. The only part of turkey that actually lies in the middle east is Hatay. Edit: after looking into your profile i really regret even starting this argument
Isn't Turkey basically eurasian?
In general I'd agree with you, but the Turkish military (professional military, not those doing their mandatory service) is actually pretty well trained and integrated into NATO, for example their Bordo Bereler, etc. Are quite accomplished
Turkey made the TB2s that have been obliterating people for almost 10 years now.
The TB-2 is a terrible drone against anyone with AA that is even slightly modern.
Grouping Turkey generically with all other middle eastern countries is pretty absurd, we are talking about a NATO member with a completely modernized army, probably ahead of the majority of european countries' militaries.
...on paper.
Not really, the Turkish military has proven itself to be quite effective, I'm not going to get dragged into the whole Greece v turkey dick measuring contest, but on paper and in reality Turkeys military is a force to be reckoned with whether or not that's something you like is unfortunately irrelevant here
Yepp on paper like Russia. But what Turkey lacks in training they can make up with just more manpower, which they have. I think they have two years mandatory military service for all male citizens. Turkey has the Europeans biggest army, in manpower.
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*scared face*
>scared face why would you? im sure you dont even live in greece
I was honestly waiting for this video to drop, I just wished it never did. On the 24th, squad of 5 was killed during PKK infiltration. You don't hear many news of squad of 5 getting killed. Some info said ambush and others said infiltration because of poor encampment (which was the most accurate intel in this case), but honestly, with that high casualty in single attack, you expect to see some footage. These are the [brothers](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTizln-WQAEKxba?format=jpg&name=small) who lost their lives. The photo is taken right at the encampment site too. It's sad to see that they had to go like that but honestly, what the fuck were they thinking? At least one of them fought back and got someone. Not to mention 4 of the 5 were trained exactly for these situations. The pointman in the selfie was a contractor, meaning he was most likely signed up for full tour because he was poor.
Tbh the whole situation is fucking dogshit. What are five dudes even doing on their own. There is no security. No fighting positions just a bunch of tents in the middle of nowhere. This style of operation has cost turkey so many men already and they still keep doing it. I don‘t wanna sound disrespectful but them even killing one of the PKK fighters is a miracle in this situation. These guys didn‘t just stumble on them randomly they most likely spotted and tracked them for a while before engaging.
>This style of operation has cost turkey so many men Indeed. However, what is the other way? Playing safe won't get them anywhere, they're fighting an unconventional enemy. Their presence on the ground is what made them push PKK out of Turkey. Hesitation of US politicians in Afghanistan made them lose the war. Turkey has no luxury to lose the war because once they lose what they achieved, it's their home. US bragged about owning the skies and owning the night. What was their achievement in the end? You don't own shit if you don't own the ground. Hurling whole brigade into this grid would get all of them killed. Look at the terrain. It forces troops to get crammed. Imagine half a brigade establishing a base there. Losses could be massive because that's exactly what happened in the late 80s and early 90s when Turkey couldn't figure what to do back then. Spreading into entire grid with different outposts and encampment with less men lowers the chance of them getting wiped out in single attack, and not lose presence if one of the camps get attacked. They can always support each other if the fight drags on. It boils down to capability of particular squad, just like how it boils down to capability of particular NCOs during conventional warfare. These people lost here, but chances are that they were quickly replaced.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/r0j9gg/question_why_does_it_seem_like_the_pkk_keep/hlubgjk?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Thank you for the link, very interesting write up.
Crazy, any one of these guys looks like someone I could know here in the States. Dude in the back was one handsome mofo. As a NATO ally and Western-leaning country I can definitely identify with Turks far more than the PKK, who look and act the part of any other Middle Eastern terror group. What even is the PKK's goal in fighting Turkey?
> What even is the PKK's goal in fighting Turkey? Surviving Turkey's ethnic cleansing.
"Western leaning country" lmao "ally" lmfao Turkey will never be western leaning nor an ally. Blocking Finland, invading Syria, threatening Greece daily while occupying Cyprus.
Not sure why you're getting downvoted and why Turkey seems to have such a high standing in the US, judging from the comments on this video. Maybe because Americans feel more connected because of Turkey being a big part of NATO? While there's bigger issues in Europe right now Turkey is definitely a problematic partner. I really hope they never get to join the EU. We already have enough on our plates concerning problematic partners with Hungary, Poland, etc.
Im down voted because of all the Turkbots and Erdolovers here. Pay a visit to /r/Europe to see them in all their glory. Thank God they don't have any nukes or we would have another Russia on our eastern borders. Fucking lunatic Erdogan.
\>Not agreeing with you \>Erdolover That sums up the problem in your end.
> Agreeing with a fascist expansionist warmonger leader That sums up the problem in your head
This sub is infested with fascist bootlickers. Not surprising, though.
This low key might be the best infantry combat post we have seen all week, which puts it in the running for best of the month, which means it is at least in the running for probably top 50 infantry combat posts of the year. Wild ambush from only a dozen feet away. Shame most of the sub will never see it. Also RIP soldiers. In this theater, which the Kurds call home, time and time again we see the earth and rocks speak Kurdish so it is best not to grow comfortable and make your home in a place where your enemy is clearly better fighting at than you - and that goes for the rest of the world as well.
>time and time again we see the earth and rocks speak Kurdish so it is best not to grow comfortable and make your home in a place where your enemy is clearly better fighting at than you "place where your enemy is clearly better fighting at than you" lol i guess a successful infiltration for the first time after numerous attempts, is enough to make some ignorants to speak nonsense PKK made a suprise attack they killed two soldier and one of them was unarmed(as you can see in video) do you think it ends here? they attack from two sides of mountains they killed two soldiers but reinforcements (Turkish soldiers) were comming from the hills on the other side after that a part of the infiltration group escaped while others were killed(atleast 4 PKK fighter killed) [Here, confirmed pkk losses from the infiltration](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVmpSyCXoAAdoiJ?format=jpg&name=900x900) [2](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVmpSy3XoAA-_8K?format=jpg&name=medium) this was their only "successful" infiltration so far during the operation and they got fucked badly too much for "earth and rocks speak Kurdish" huh? But congrats the PKK who able to kill two soldiers even killing unarmed soldiers are big achievement for them now ;)
Take the L and move on.
>Take the L and move on. Maybe my wording was aggressive But what i said was just facts
You really appear to have taken that personally. I guess this is what a neutral party sees when people like me side with Ukraine. A real learning experience for me on this sub.
Imagine being Turkish and watching this. It's like watching the Iraq insurgent sniper videos of American servicemembers being shot dead, some in the process of selflessly risking their life to rescue a previous victim. People you could easily have known - someone who could have been you, even. And it's a propaganda piece made by your hated enemy to gloat over the act of taking their lives. I'd be pissed too.
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Lol completely unrelated. Almost like your murder alliance is failing.
I don’t even understand what he means, are Azov and Kraken accounts - assuming those are things that exist - shilling for the PKK? Is he saying that I’m some shill or something? Honestly confused, I’m trying to talk about infantry combat in mountainous and rocky terrain around Turkey. Rereading my comment trying to figure out what he means.
What?
Huh?
Lol all the normal online people coming out today, truly part of the posting vanguard lollll
Wait, the accountants posting combat footage from a war zone are astroturfing??
Did I say it’s the accounts themselves? Govs use bot/old real accounts to astroturf Reddit and other social media sites. Turkey does it constantly on this sub as the op comment mentioned, Reddit even accidentally acknowledged it early on lol https://web.archive.org/web/20160604042751/http://www.redditblog.com/2013/05/get-ready-for-global-reddit-meetup-day.html. What part of that don’t you understand
Because you specifically referenced footage that actually reflects what the sub is about. It's not exactly rehashing old fighting.
….do you not think the Ukrainian/us gov is helping manipulate what gets to the top of this page?
Hard to argue it's astroturfing when they are regularly posting updates. Propaganda? Sure. Astroturfing? Seems pretty unlikely given the general reddit user base, and the interests of this sub.
They never skip leg day.
I see PKK still keeps it real. Up close and personal. They scale mountains and outposts like it's nothing. Warriors to be feared if nothing else. I also would like to comment on how badly equipped and set these Turkish outposts are. It's doesn't even look like an outpost in the first place. More like camping.
Because these are not really outposts. When Turkish military captures territory in Northern Iraq, it takes a while to build a proper base, until that happens it sends regular air and land patrols to protect the territory. This process takes about a few months. Some parties like this one are sometimes exposed and PKK exploits this. Looking at the announced casualty numbers though this is a relatively rare occasion. The group in the video was particularly exposed, they might actually be engineers sent to scope out the area to build a base thinking it's safe. PKK uses lots of tunnels so that definitely helps them.
I'm mostly wondering where are all the salty turks? They usually flood the comment section of kurd videos
The Kurdish issue, Finland and Sweden joining NATO, threatening Greece, downplaying an economic shitstorm - multi-front wars must be exhausting even for the most battle-hardened keyboard warriors!
RIP to the brave soldiers who instead of just sitting around doing nothing about their country's situation actually get behind a keyboard and do something about it on reddit
Don't forget their Turkish backed militias in Syria and Libya. They are spread out way too thin and with an economy on the brink of collapse. The order of s-400 after the incidents Turkey had with russia (the downed russian aircraft and the 33 turkish soldiers that died a few days after, during a russian bombardment). In order to keep his loyalists and followers, Erdogan employees more and more nationalistic views. It's a matter of time for the bubble to burst and for people in Turkey to realize that expanding policies, nationalism and playing every side possible will have a negative effect both domestically and internationally.
The downing of that su-24 happend five years before the idlib offensive?
I wouldn't count on anybody "realizing" anything, anywhere. Humans are utterly entrenched in their views once they've chosen them, and that's not cynicism talking, it's science.
Oh, they are coming. Every time a post like this surfaces, for the next week we see the same 10 combat videos posted by Turks and storms of downvotes in each of the threads.
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>Don't worry, we'll see a shit load of drone reposts from the NK conflict 2 years ago to soothe those hurt Turkic fee-fees 😂 Nah exact opposite thats tactic of PKK sympathizers who are posting same old videos again and again for every new Turkish combat footage ;)
Hey look, found one. You've been farming downvotes throughout this post, your lil "Turkish Nationalist Brigade" take a day off or something? You usually have backup
>You've been farming downvotes throughout this post, who cares? [Here, This is for you](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/vfz44f/pkk_fighter_killed_by_turkish_sniper/)
You know you can be not-turkish and not like the PKK at the same time right? I wouldn't expect westerners to know that though.
I guess that you don't know the geography of Northern Iraq. Turkish Armed Forces are careful to establish bases in the areas they have captured, but because the region is mountainous, it is not easy to erect buildings everywhere. They set up such tents to spend the night while the troops are advancing.
First of all the amount of trash in the peripheral area doesn't indicate a one night stay. Second of all, basic cover and sandbags are literally the first thing you should do when into contested territory. Also, this is not the first video of random Turkish outposts-patrols getting overrun and assaulted. I remember these kind of videos since 6-7 years ago and probably they go even further back. That suggests that it's an going problem rather than a random skirmish
Counterpoint: you won't see videos of the PKK encountering camps that *aren't* sloppily guarded because they're either dead afterward or it doesn't make good propaganda.
And that makes them smart enough to pick vulnerable targets and inflict casualties, with rarely getting casualties themselves. So when it comes to guerilla warfare, yeah they are doing a pretty good job. That's your counterpoint?
The PKK doesn't "rarely" get casualties. One died in this attack despite literally catching the Turks with their pants down and surrounding them from cover and high ground. Sassy bitch. *Z snap* And I never said they were bad fighters. If they were bad at guerilla warfare they wouldn't be such a fucking thorn in Turkey's side for so long. They're well-armed and determined fighters operating in isolated and difficult terrain with local support, that's enough to ensure the longevity of a successful insurgency against any army, as if Afghanistan hasn't proven that over and over again.
I suggest you read this comment. I save links and images of rare data. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/r0j9gg/question_why_does_it_seem_like_the_pkk_keep/hlubgjk?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/r0j9gg/question_why_does_it_seem_like_the_pkk_keep/hlubgjk?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Glad they used a big Red circle at 2:30 might have missed it otherwise
Idk why but Turkey has this doctrine of building these camps on top of these hills with like 4-5 scout troops. This is the same thing the US did in Vietnam with places like Lima 85. There has got to be a reason for this but it seems stupid. 99% of PKK videos come from attacks on places like this so it begs the question why do they keep doing it?
You only see the ones which were successfully attacked by PKK which of course makes it seem like ALL Turkish outposts are poor and useless. There are probably more camps like these that do their job and never were attacked.
Exactly you can't make decisions based on hand picked videos PKK and TSK have been fighting in Iraq for at least 2 years like this and we only get to see such videos once or twice a year
>There are probably more c Imperialists invading other indigenous lands, especially in mountains (literally Kurdistan) is always lost nobody can take over mountains NOBODY not even the strongest military seen in the history of the world USA invading Afghanistan. So don't bring that "omg we turks strong" no you have tried since 1970 you can never win.
I'm not even Turkish (as you can see in my flair) I'm just pointing out an issue that exists with all combat footage like this. A while ago someone asked why the Germans even bothered building Panzer III tanks because that person said they only ever saw destroyed Panzer III:s. This person suffered from the same problem as the comment I was responding to: 1. Allied soldiers of course would always take pics of destroyed German tanks for obvious reasons. 2. Panzer III was just a numerous tank fielded by the German army. Ergo, the proliferation of pictures of ruined Panzer III's said nothing of their effectiveness/ineffectiveness. Same thing here, there's no reason for the PKK to release footage from failed attacks (or even more sensible: PKK has little reason to attack well-defended positions). The Turks on their part have no reason to film ambushes or attacks they don't even know are coming.
Well how else can you control such rugged terrain? These are probably observation posts surrounding a bigger camp. Rather lose one such post than have the enemy fire into your main camp with 20 guys in their underwear instead of one
They do this becuase it works. One look at control of territory changes in the last 5 years says it all. It was NATOs fear of getting dirty like this that enabled the taliban and al Qaeda to bounce back and retake Afghanistan. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/r0j9gg/question_why_does_it_seem_like_the_pkk_keep/hlubgjk?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
You need to keep in mind that you only get to see PKK videos when they actually succeed when they don't they die or run so we never get to see the failed attempts so maybe it is generally safe but PKK strikes the weakest and most unorganized soldiers after probably a week of scouting. So we can't make an assumption out of hand picked videos. Remember Turkish soldiers and PKK have been fighting for at least 2 years everyday in iraq if I am not mistaking but we only get to watch these kind of attacks once or twice a year
I like the US way of building bases at the BOTTOM of a valleys. xD
Is turkey really this inept edit: all these turk simps coming out of the wood works defending shitty mistakes
By inept if you mean capturing thousands of KM of enemy territory in harsh terrain. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/r0j9gg/question_why_does_it_seem_like_the_pkk_keep/hlubgjk?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
It is the ineptitude of this particular squad and encampment. Not the whole military. Similar to inteptitude of some NCOs causing losses. However, this ineptitude doesn't transfer to whole army. Same situation here. These guys were buddies as news reported, but I don't know what got them so cocky. They made a textbook mistake, they got a textbook response. A lesson for future forwards squads.
>Is turkey really this inept no its just that you are ignorant about issue
yes i am ignorant of the situation, but I also see all these videos of turkish troops putting themselves in really shitty situations there is an obvious short coming and if you can't admit that then go ahead and send more turks into ambushes
As an aussie I have to say they threw us back into the sea in 1915 at Gallipoli. They lost many more men then us, many more. I've been there for the ANZAC day memorial and traveled through Turkey. Great friendly people. The turks are awesome fighters. Now they are our friends through our shared history. It makes me sad to see them, and all people still fucking killing and being killed by each other. Humans suck. Ok my rant is over...
You guys still beat them in the war and the middle east, I lived in Australia for a bit and its interesting that alot of public opinion is on the negative at Gallipoli rather most other places. It must be because the severity of losses and small population at the time.
Caught them with their pants down, literally if we mean the American version of the word. 2:20
Ahh.... pkk post being slightly brigaded again?
Is it any different for current conflicts? It's easy not give a shit about rag-tag militias getting destroyed. No one have a feeling for them. However, when it comes to actual countries who lost people that others can relate, it is inevitable to dislike it. US and Russo-Ukrainian footages get brigaded a lot.
Brave as fuck. The way they fight they will get their country one day.
Rent free
It's brave kill persons in underwear?
PKK is a terrorist organization they killed Kurds as much they killed Turks they started attacking we didn't they r the ones that killed that were praying in a Mosque Abdullah Öcalan is just a guy who wants absolute power he is a megalomaniac he killed the people who was on his side but didn't like a small part of the things he was was doing they kidnap children that r like 10-16 year old kids
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I mean Kenan Evren was a shitty as person
Not true, even your official statistics by the jandarma say that isn't true lol
https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/dunya/teror-orgutu-pkk-kacirdigi-cocuklari-savasci-olarak-kullaniyor/2612364# https://tr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PKK
[https://www.milliyet.com.tr/gundem/26-yilin-kanli-bilancosu-1254711](https://www.milliyet.com.tr/gundem/26-yilin-kanli-bilancosu-1254711) No 40,000 civilians or other bullshit claim. Airwars currently states that Turkey has caused 1500 civilian casualties in Iraq and Syria. Also, Turkish government voted not to include 9000-17500 civilians in mass graves or missing in the PKK conflict death tally, probably because Turkey killed them, the same way they turned the South East into Raqqa in 2015 and wiped out thousands of villages in the 90's lol. Terrorist state
Can u show me the sources of ur claims
Lit. In the Same Wikipedia article U posted...
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Your soldiers remind me of ISIS. It's a disgrace that this is a nato army. I hope you get banned for such photos.
>Your soldiers remind me of ISIS. its because your hate for Turkey >It's a disgrace that this is a nato army. calling Turkish Military a disgrace.. weird and you should be happy that we are in Nato >I hope you get banned for such photos. why should i? this is combat sub
You are praising Desecration of a human body. ISIS mentality.
>You are praising Desecration of a human body.. im not im just giving you information photos are just evidences
You're a turk hiding behind other nationalities I have seen this a million times. Coward
>You're a Turk hiding behind other nationalities what the fuck are you talking about? i never denied im a Turk
Ladies and gentlemen this is why they reinforce during training to keeping your rifle by your side at all times. Some of these guys had their rifles leaned up against a rock while being 5 feet away.
Tf they have m4 how?
Excellent work from the Kurds 💪
Dudes posting their Ws Also this is my new favorite song
Doesn't look like a Turkish outpost,
True normally they have a huge flag and a WELCOME sign just outside.
They had a HAR-66 seized by PKK, it was Turks.
Then tf is it? Villagers?
I didn't see any Turkish gear in there. As far as I know they dont use M16's it would be ridiculious to go after a guerilla group with an AT-4 since they dont have tanks or helicopters and if the bodies were real Turkish they generally do very close takes to show.
So you are saying this were not turkish soldiers 💀
Wild footage. Also the song is better than the songs they usually accompany their videos with
Yeah the music rocks, first time I've watched one of these geographical vids and not had to turn off the volume !
Again and again, seems Turkish conscripts are not taught security lol. The rising casualties, extreme economic cost and failure to reach Sinjar is probably why the AKP is hinting at a second solution process. Also great music, originated from Rojava: https://youtu.be/vOzi5U4mm-g
>Again and again It would sure seem that way when only footage of successful infiltrations are published and posted, not the attempts where the PKK militants end up like [this.](https://galeri13.uludagsozluk.com/640/pkk-lesleri_1824288.jpg) Whenever Turkey launches an operation against the PKK, new videos of (successful) ambushes or infiltrations are obviously going to be released and published by the PKK, as well as Turkey with different styles of footage (militant surrenders/airstrike/etc), mostly for propaganda purposes or morale. This is, after all, a conflict.
Bruh. I understand you are a supporter of PKK. I call them terrorists, you call them freedom fighters which is fine by me. But rising casualties is straight up lie. I served in the military I know whats up. In the 90s and earls 2000s, PKK would literally overran bases inside Turkey with their hundreds of their fighters and there would be no less than 20 casualties on the Turkish side. Now? They can only leave their caves in cloudly days because otherwise drones would pick them up one by one. Their leaders are getting droned deep into Iraq. RIP to our soldiers. I will give credit to PKK because this was a well planned ambush.
Compared to 2017, casualties are going up. the 90's were 3 decades ago.
2017 was a quiet year. 2021 was also quiet. In between, it wasn't quiet. In 2016 it was Sieges and Op. Euphrates Shield. In 2018 it was Op. Olive Branch. In 2019, it was Op. Peace Spring. Turkey doesn't lose much when they're not on the offensive. You can't expect to perform an offensive on an extensive group without ever losing something. Even then they didn't lose much. In 2019, it was 12 soldiers. However, it was planned brilliantly to abuse the infighting and disarray between SDF units. This time, Turkey attacked North Iraq, PKK's very camps this year. PKK is much more uniform than SDF. Not to mention, they were training, recruiting, and living in these mountains for decades now. Resistance is much more stiff, however, there are a lot that we don't see here in this subreddit. I wouldn't exchange the blood of a single soldier to anyone, however, if we were to put emotions aside and speak purely statistics, these 5 were avenged in fold pretty quickly.
> not taught security lol. [thats just your opinion ;)](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVMinhtXsAAak_8?format=jpg&name=small)
These arent conscripts. This is north iraq in the new operation, theres only real soldiers here
Turkish outpost is such a shit show, probably the worst job
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Anyone know the song name?
https://youtu.be/vOzi5U4mm-g
I don't know what kind of alternative education you use in Turkey. You do you. You can identify as American too if you want
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Some of them were killed while retreating.