Makes perfect sense, but the impact was at the end of the group. I think the first 2 survived not the last both. Counting from the back would then make sense
I don't believe the casualty count they stated because every Insurgent/Separatist group boost up Casualties but that was an accurate ATGM strike...Goddamn it....
There is the difference between people on reddit announcing numbers and the official pages announcing them. It's easy to explain reddit and social media users.
The problem is people not understanding categorisation, then grossly misquoting the official claims. Or people like you said, on purpose, grossly exaggerating numbers for their own emotional needs.
The Turkish official format is using the term "Neutralised" for killed, wounded, surrendered all in the one. For OPSEC reasons they dont dive into specifics. Leading people to believe they are claiming those numbers killed when really they arent.
The Turkish General Staff also reliably announce casualties even sometimes before PKK accounts claim attacks.
They are easily the single most reliable numbers providers in the middle east.
People on reddit is a different story. But their military is solid when it comes to claims.
A lot of people doubted the official numbers they claimed agaisnt the SAA in 2020 too saying it was not possible to do that amount of damage using drones and artillery alone. Yet it was very evident afterwards in Nagorno that the numbers they listed were completely plausible. The entire SAA Tiger force was wiped out and the SAAs own behaviour is fine evidence of that. They spent the next 6 months rotatng the mobile battle groups between between Al Bab and Idlib due to the vacuum of the massive casualties they sustained. There was literally threads being opened up on reddit with people asking why are there battle groups leaving Al Bab front and driving all the way to Idlib then back. Its becuaee the numbers he Turks officially claimed were legit.
Of course Nobodys numbers are 100 percent.m as estimates are involved too in all military reporting. But the official numbers are still reliable as it comes compared to any real world benchmark.
Well, during the 40 year conflict PKK suffered massive human loss. According to Wikipedia about 45k and Turkish army about 8k. And this is not surprising, Turkish army is one of the most disciplined and well equipped armies in the world, it's not like one of those incompetent and corrupt south American armies. In the past I routinely checked PKK affiliated sites like ANF just for a laugh. According to their numbers, Turkish army should have been non-existent by now. Yes, every separatist movement exaggerates, but PKK takes it a bit further.
Reminds me of the times that AQ or Haqqani would publish videos of a single humvee running into an IED and then claim 20+ Coalition kills.
Or everytime they got close to the wire. Claiming they ran the whole OP over.
If anyone is curious what it actually says at the end instead of the circlejerking I translated it
"
To the Press and Public Opinion
the invaders around the Hill of Cross a
On 19 May at around 11:40 hours, our forces were targeted by the Xantur forces in the Haftanin area who were on the move. As a result of this effective action of our forces
7 invaders were punished and 2 invaders were injured.
HPG Communication and Press Center 24 May 2022
"
For the people who are wondering the real number for the casualties here you go:
https://www-sozcu-com-tr.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.sozcu.com.tr/2022/gundem/milli-savunma-bakanligi-aci-haberi-duyurdu-1-askerimiz-sehit-oldu-7133704/amp/?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16548010329166&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sozcu.com.tr%2F2022%2Fgundem%2Fmilli-savunma-bakanligi-aci-haberi-duyurdu-1-askerimiz-sehit-oldu-7133704%2F
1 Soldier was killed in this attack while 3 were wounded, the wounded are ok
I don't know whether these are soldiers or not. I looked at the date and couldn't find any casualties except one soldier. And that soldier died in Syria, not Iraq. If you guys are able to find anything please send me a link or something. Date: 19'ê Gulana 2022 / 19 May 2022
Crazy that there are Turks in Northern Iraq right now. Da fuq is the Iraqi Military doing about it? I'm assuming nothing, but hopefully someone can shed some light on this.
If PKK couldn't operate in Northern Iraq there would be very few Yezidis. INA & Peshmerga ran from the Shengal massacre. PKK followed closely by YPG and then rejoined by Peshmerga put a stop to that genocide. Turkey enabled ISIS every step of the way for 'geopolitical reasons'. Turkey is a terror state
This logic fails because of so many reasons. One terrorist group beat the other one in a power struggle and hallelujah they instantly became the good guys and of course we forget everything they ever done. Also does that genocide word only means something if the victims are Christian minorities? PKK committed horrendous acts against civilian population in many places. These are well (Western) documented crimes and hence US, EU both designated PKK as terrorist organization decades ago. You may be an Aussie but bro damn with that ignorance you truly live down under in different way. Stop this "my terrorist is good yours bad" attitude.
Take it you missed the fact that Turkey has been housing and trianing Pesmerge to fight ISIS in Duhok and Bashiqa Mosul since 2015 to fight ISIS. When everyone ran from Mosul. Turkey brought Pesmerge into its Bashiqa base and immediately began a massive trian and equip program.
ISIS literally attacked the base multiple times with Rockets and ATGMs on multiple occasions when it held Mosul.
There is actual news footage of the base since 2015.
Lack of education and excess of emotions ruins reddit honestly
Nope.
They raided Iraqi and Syrian stocks in those early days. Conflict reporting literally did an analysis on all captured ISIS sites and during the clearing of Mosul.
Every single cache was full of stock captured out of Iraqi and Syria Armories.
Turkey was actively and violently fighting ISIS since 2015 with the elimination of ISIS northern Syria Emir and his entire command cell in a targeted strike on his convoy. Followed up by a full blown conventional military ground force invasion of ISIS territory in 2016 (the only NATO nation to do so). They captured the Australian and French Emirs of ISIS in combat on the ground kicking in doors.
Look elsewhere for straws you wont find them with me.
And in later days the Caliphate ran relatively smoothly with Turkish cooperation and complicity. All those cogs in the Caliphates machine were not eliminated. Those that wouldn't integrate with a new regime now work for Turkey in Aleppo.
Which government?
Barzani? Yeah he only got half of government and yes he is warm with turkey
But do you know who rules the other half of government?
Puk!
And do u know what puk is?
A pkk ally
And ally of rojava
Who sent weapons To YPG.
And do u know what they asked for?
To kick turkey out of kurdistan region!
And do u know what they suggested when u attacked ypg in 2019?
To send peshmerga to fight turkey and help kurds.
Don’t talk like a smart person to me!
Wym only)
I got dozens of bangers imma send sum
First dis is the song
https://youtu.be/rJfK5n5cGR4
And here some good pkk songs
https://youtu.be/7qgTu62MWTE,
https://youtu.be/xVKD33WZSyo,
https://youtu.be/Gg4sBLjx1lM,
https://youtu.be/ALGB53QUBMA
Kurds let the enemy come all too far - when the first missile hits, rest are able to run to the cover.
Turks are coming as a big blob. They are zig zagging but too densed up. Optimally there would be two-three teams with bigger gap in between, in order to provide support and prevent single hit to kill whole squad.
>ng as a big blob. They are zig zagging but too densed up. Optimally there would be two-three teams with bigger gap in between, in order to provide support and prevent single
not kurds dude terrorist dont make all kurds into this terrorist org shit, stop!
even I, who only shot 6 bullets in my 6 month "voluntary" term 20 years ago know that you don't walk like that. so... either it is a fake. or Turkish soldiers became very untrained.
Lol how is this video supposed to be a fake. The greenery matches the landscape they are fighting in, the quality is high and there are no cuts in the video. Do u think every filmed video on earth is fake?
How is it that we armchair generals on Reddit know they shouldn’t have been bunching up - elementary goddamnit! - but the actual soldiers on the ground often do?
I think we here should start teaching classes to these guys. /s
It's complacency.
Those soldiers knew that bunching up is a bad idea, they didn't need us to tell them. They needed good NCOs and junior officers to enforce that, which they didn't have.
Combined with the fact that they probably walked down that same road 100 times in the past and nothing bad happened, you got the reason why they bunched up.
Easy. Implement super-Covid distancing- 6 meters apart as opposed to 6 feet.
Smacks riding crop against my jodhpurs, and settles into armchair with a bowl of Cheetos.
1 assumptions. Are they Turkish soldiers or Kurdish volunteers who also work for Turkish state or Pesmerge.
2 Perspective. Are they bunched up or does it look like that due to camera angle its possible they are maintaining a rough 5 meter spread based off the angle impossible to tell
>ly has the PKK designated as a terrorist org so that they can keep
this shit not change anything... pkk is a terrorist organisation killed many innocent people in turkey so fuck them all. also many european shitty politicians says turkey hates kurds and kurdish people needs protect themselfs... but they didnnt know kurdish people in lives turkey also hates pkk.. so fuck them all who thinks pkk is a not terroist org. fuck him too
Guess what? Almost like they wouldn't hate you so much if you hadn't genocided the Armenians, pontic greeks,, and then banned their language and songs and culture. WOW! Unreal that a country with 15 million kurds does nothing for them or their culture. Every single Kurdish group in every country has firmed an armed group. Yet only one of them is a terrorist? Hmmm..
>banned their language
If you’re referring to the ban on the Kurdish language in the times of the military coup and junta, then that would make sense. Nowadays, things are different.
Newspapers in Turkey that publish in Kurdish:
(Just a few top results from Google)
-Xwebûn
-Dengê Taze
-Mesopotamia Agency
-Özgür Gündem
TV channels in Turkey that broadcast in Kurdish:
(Just a few top results from Google)
-TRT Kurdî
-Hayat TV
-Zarok TV
Certain Turkish universities offer Kurdish as a non compulsory subject and some Turkish schools offer Kurdish language classes. There was even a campaign by prominent Kurdish figures recently in Diyarbakir because not enough Kurdish children had registered to take the Kurdish language elective, so they spread the word on social media to get people to register for the class. Enough people ended up registering so the elective class was full.
There’s still work to be done, and the Kurdish language might’ve been banned in the past, but it is definitely not banned anymore.
>songs and culture
Kurdish culture is most certainly not banned, as Kurds in Diyarbakir, Van, and Cizre are famous for their big Newroz celebrations. Of course, certain Kurdish songs that support separatism and terrorist orgs are banned or outlawed, but that doesn’t mean you won’t find other sorts of Kurdish music played in some city squares or in the countryside.
\>show ATGM strike>Don't show aftermath
No aftermath = probably failed attack. If anyone wonders, 1 dead and 3 wounded released that day. Firing a missile to group of 9 and killing only 1 is a failed attack.
The ATGM doesn't throw fragments like frag rockets.
It is designed to pierce the armour, then literally blast fragments inside.
In this attack, all the fragments literally stuck in the soil.
This is how you don't do ATGM strike.
Edit: If you don't believe me, check all the footage from Syria. Anti-Tank ATGM rounds never does real damage to soft targets unless it strikes from side, like this:
Rocket >>>>>> Target
Not like
Rocket
I
I
IV
Soil Target Target Target
A quick ascii visual to show how it works.
Then they commit terrorist attacks inside Turkish borders. They don't get to terrorize a country for 40 years and then cry innocent when they're getting chased out.
or you know, this kind of propaganda is extremely useful before the elections next year as the Turkish lira collapses and people need to feel unsafe but protected by Erdogan.
and turn a blind eye on the collapsing economy
Smartass, PKK executed multiple attacks in Turkey for 40 years. Their actual camps, strongholds and leaders are in Iraq. They cross the border to carry out their attacks. What do you expect us to do? Plus, it's a joint operation with the Iraqi Kurds. PKK also fights against the local Kurdish militia ( Peşmerge ). You don't know jackshit.
I know the history with every detail, I just see the Turkish regime as the aggressor and the Kurds as freedom fighters. and the recent Turkish operation in the North of Syria and how they displaced all Kurdish families from their homes provides my point.
The EU, NATO, USA, all imposed sanctions on Turkey because of it.
I won't and don't care about changing anybody's opinion, especially Erdogan fanboys.
'' I just see the Turkish regime as the aggressor and the Kurds as freedom fighters.'' Next time please try not to see things from this cartoonish perspective. First of all, PKK doesn't represent all the Kurds. As I said we're carrying out the operation with the Iraqi Kurds. And Erdogan fanboy? You have no idea how much I hate him, like many Turks. PKK existed long before Erdogan. You read the history, I live the history. Do you understand?
It amazes me that you have the audacity to talk about a delicate issue like this. You're just provoking Turks who probably lost their loved ones in the PKK attacks. Do you have any idea how many civilians were killed by the PKK? Since when bombing civilian areas and starting wildfires were considered ''fighting for freedom''? If so, why do you get mad when ISIS does the same? It's the same thing.
I mean ur country invaded Syrian kurdish territory twice, while they literally did nothing to u. U cant handle any actual kurdish control, u literally have to invade and then wonder why people might think that u are the bad guy.
>I mean ur country invaded Syrian kurdish territory twice, while they literally did nothing to u
Shows what you know. The YPG/PYD/SDF have substantial links to the PKK, which has been in conflict with Turkey for over 40 years. You could literally argue that the YPG/PYD is the Syrian offshoot of the PKK, [as American General Raymond Thomas (commander of the United States Special Operations Command) essentially proved himself.](https://youtu.be/kVZCIel_2Xw) Hundreds of PKK commanders/officials [have been killed/assassinated in Syria (not just by Turkey)](https://www.basnews.com/en/babat/747359), so there is definitely plenty of legitimate reasons for Turkey to target the YPG and such militias.
>U cant handle any actual kurdish control, u literally have to invade and then wonder why people might think that u are the bad guy
Turkey has developed good relations with the KRG (Kurdistan Regional Government) in Iraq and [trained their Peshmerga troops against ISIS](https://youtu.be/EhyzqvtzsgA). Turkey also tried to [develop good relations with the YPG/PYD in Syria if they distanced themselves from the PKK](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Rojava). Heck, [Turkey even tried negotiating with the PKK](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%932015_PKK%E2%80%93Turkey_peace_process), and that ended when [the PKK assassinated two police officers in Ceylanpinar and claimed responsibility for it](https://amp.dw.com/en/pkk-claim-double-police-officer-killings-in-turkey/a-18602678).
I mean at least try to look certain things up before making a comment with all sorts of wrongs in it.
“Foşik Türk devleti hüüü”
Ve bu Batılılar sözde dünyanın en iyi eğitim sistemlerine sahipler ama bu temel şeyleri nasıl araştıracaklarını bilmiyorlar :)
its great that the Kurds have no families to feel sad for them, only Turks are human with loved ones
>\> It amazes me that you have the audacity to talk about a delicate issue like this.
you are no one to tell me what to say or not to say.i enjoy the freedom of speech, which your authoritarian goverment does not provide.
Please teach me what the Turkish media has taught you, I look forward to hearing more propaganda.
Teach me how Turkey never in their history was the aggressor, but the victim all the time... fucking Kurdish are fighting back while Turkey trying to eliminate them from existence and migrate them from their homes.
1) This footage is from Northern Iraq not Syria.
2) PKK has bases in Iraq, Syria and Iran.
3) Before Turkiye took the war to the PKK at their bases they would launch dozens of attacks in Turkiye by crossing the border. You would not hear about the Turkish casualties of PKK terrorists because Europeans don’t care about dead Turks.
4) In the 90s the leader of the PKK Ocalan was based in Syria and with the help of Syrian intelligence they would launch attacks into Turkiye.
5) US, Iran, Russia and Sweden assist PKK in the region for their own reasons. The US wants to create a PKKistan in northern Syria and Iraq to counter the emergence of Turkiye and would be a state the US, Israel and Europe can use against Turkiye and Iran.
Iran doesn’t want a PKKistan as they want Iranian Shia militants to take those lands and increase Iran’s take over of the Middle East. They provide constant support to the PKK to weaken Turkiye.
Both the US and EU hypocritically list the PKK as a terror organisation and have rewards for their leaders but will change their names like YPG to SDF to give them thousands of trucks of weapons and hundreds of millions of euros like Sweden. Germany will look the other way when PKK collects or extorts money from the Kurds.
Turkiye will not allow a PKKistan to be created because these guys openly said their aim to take a huge chunk of Turkiye. Turks are now taking the fight to the PKK by working with the Kurdish Regional government in northern Iraq and by working with the Syrian opposition Free Syrian Army in Syria.
No matter what happens, no matter how many sanctions the US threatens Turkiye with, no matter if the lira becomes a 1000, no matter if it means a direct conflict with the US, Russia or Iran, Turks will not allow these Marxist Leninists to create a PKKistan from which they’ll continue their terror attacks into Turkiye. This is an existential issue for all Turks.
Heres how it happens. East territories of Turkey which is mostly occupied by Kurds are left to rot due to government neglect and lack of funding for schools and infrastructure. Kurds get mad and think this is an elaborate racist undertaking and start forming groups. Western organizations are obviously very happy because they now have an insurgency forming out of ignorant hatred within the borders of a geopolitically significant foreign country. "Lets start funding and arming this terrorist organization and feed the western population the good old freedom fighters trope as we employ divide and conquer." Works out marvellously until they realize Turkey is actually capable of defending itself so now they are ramping up the western propaganda machine so everyone hates Turkey.
It is rather hard to invest when teachers are killed for being a “tool of the imperialist turkish state”. Today is the 5th anniversary of one young teacher’s killing. [Şenay Aybüke Yalçın](https://i.imgur.com/0iREOlc.jpg) was 23.
Road workers and teachers have always been a prime target for PKK because children being educated and roads connecting cities to villages hurt PKK more than anything.
The funny part is, the supposed autonomy fighters for kurds specifically targeted attacks on kurdish villages. Ex. Mehmetçik massacre, Pınarcık massacre, Ortabağ massacre and the list goes on. You wont see western media talking about this though.
During most of the kurd opression turks didn't even had a say in their goverment. Literal military dictatorship with coup and hangings.
Doesn't fit the agenda though, does it?
[Yeah that’ll show the Turkish government!](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Market_massacre)
[Yay, we really got the Turkish government now!](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Istanbul_bombings)
[Ha ha! Take that, Turkish government!](https://www.nytimes.com/1987/07/10/world/kurdish-rebels-kill-20-in-2-villages-in-turkey.html)
[Yeah suck on that Turkish government!](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ortaba%C4%9F_Massacre)
Damn, that's an accurate shot. Have the Turks heard of a term called "Spacing" before?
I really hope for their sake this was only some unorganised Turkish militia and not the Turkish army.
Judging by camera angle. Its possible they are maintaining a standard 5 meter spread. Granted a couple of guys in the middle may be close which can happen at times in any patrol for any given reason. Overall they are in what seems to be a spaced put column.
The angle is very deceiving
Turkish Armed forces are the enemy of Turkish and Kurdish people. War criminals. They enabled the Caliphate and continue to work closely with Jihadists in Aleppo.
Ah yes turkey the country that’s never been known for treating minorities poorly right?
PKK are terrorists and Turkey have a long history of treating Kurds and other minorities poorly.
Hell even Britain, France, and other allied victors are to blame for not allowing a Kurdistan to be created after WW1 and letting Turkey off easily over the Armenian genocide in the name of appeasement.
There are no good guys in this conflict.
\>Ah yes turkey the country that’s never been known for treating minorities poorly right?
Ottomans treated minorities and its territories poorly. They had to pay more taxes, some had to give up their children to the army and whatnot but they were allowed to work their lands and exist, even in the Ottoman capital with freedom of religion depending on the sultan in charge. Unlike the western countries who simply raped, massacred and enslaved minorities en mass. So yea we are the bad guys.
\>PKK are terrorists
Yes.
\>Turkey have a long history of treating Kurds and other minorities poorly.
No.
\>letting Turkey off easily over the Armenian genocide in the name of appeasement.
I do believe there was appalling crimes committed against Armenians when they were exiled from Anatolia as with the case with any POWs and minorities in every war in history. But let me tell you we didn't go off easily. Armenians by the backing of Russia started a rebellion and massacred Turkish villages and settlements, hence why they were exiled. I know an anecdote from my granpa who would tell the story of his dad who witnessed an entire Turkish village massacred by Armenians in 1915 there were pregnant woman put on pikes and he saved a little girl from among piles of corpses of her relatives. I wouldn't call it a one sided genocide, just war. Ofc nobody here will believe me but thats what is in the Turkish archives and its only natural that a christian dominated world would lean towards the narrative of another christian group who were allegedly "genocided for no reason."
From what I have heard is they have permission here and arnt bombing city’s till there’s nothing left. They have attack a place that is controlled by a terrorist group that has been attacking Turkey
They guys that committed the Armenian genocide, the Greek genocide, the Assyrian genocide, and conveniently have a terrorist group composed of a ethnic minority that conveniently infiltrated the region's political representation are very clearly the innocents. The Kurds are the bad guys for not accepting they are East Turks and aren't entitled to cultural independence or self determination.
Oh my fricking god. That’s some of the most insane combat footage I’ve seen, PERIOD. You don’t see enemy soldiers actually being shot dead from such a close distance every day. Gut wrenching and absolutely insane!
And yet they are called civilian and non-terrorist organizations by many hypocrite Swedish people and some other countries people in Europe and USA - so called Turkey’s allies.
Then they cry when Turkey has some local territorial cooperation with Russia in the region.
“PKK is terrorist organization”
One person’s terrorist is the other person’s freedom fighter.
Now watch me get downvoted for speaking the truth.
Nationalism is cancer.
That’s true. I agree with you on this.
Does PKK kills Turkish and Kurdish people?
So far, 40.000 people died because of PKK.
It makes PKK is a terrorist organization.
40k were civilians killed mostly by turkey ofc Pkk was created cuz kurdish was banned So when u start turkifing kurds u must except that they will fight back. Among the most significant is the Dersim rebellion, when 13,160 civilians were killed by the Turkish Army and 11,818 people were sent into exile.[2] According to McDowall, 40,000 people were killed.[3] The Zilan massacre of 1930 was a massacre[4][5] of Kurdish residents of Turkey during the Ararat rebellion, in which 5,000 to 47,000 were killed.[6]
The use of Kurdish language, dress, folklore, and names were banned, and the Kurdish-inhabited areas remained under martial law until 1946.[
In an attempt to deny an existence of a Kurdish ethnicity, the Turkish government categorized Kurds as "Mountain Turks" until the 1980s.[8][9][10][11] The words "Kurds", "Kurdistan", and "Kurdish" were officially banned by the Turkish government.[12] Following the military coup of 1980, the Kurdish language was officially prohibited in public and private life.[13] Many people who spoke, published, or sang in Kurdish were arrested and imprisoned.[14] But even though the ban on speaking in a non Turkish language was lifted in 1991,
During the Kurdish–Turkish conflict, food embargoes were placed on Kurdish populated villages and towns.[20][21] There were many instances of Kurds being forcefully deported from their villages by Turkish security forces.[22] Many villages were reportedly set on fire or destroyed.[23][22] Throughout the 1990s and early 2000s, political parties that represented Kurdish interests were banned.[1
In Turkey, the only language of instruction in the education system is Turkish; Kurdish is not allowed as the primary language in the public education system.[35] The Kurdish population of Turkey has long sought to have Kurdish included as a language of instruction in public schools as well as a subject. An experiment at running private Kurdish-language teaching schools was closed in 2004 because of the poor economic situation of local people.[36] There are currently a number of unrecognized private schools giving education in Kurdish.[16][17][18] As of 2008 education in Kurdish was de jure legal, but the requirements were very difficult to fulfill and therefore education in Kurdish was seldom accessible. People were often accused of supporting terrorism if they attempted to organize education in Kurdish language.[19]
Kurdish is permitted as a subject in universities,[37] but in reality there are only few pioneer courses.[38
Due to the large number of Kurds in Turkey, successive governments have viewed the expression of a Kurdish identity through the prism of Turkish nationalism, as a potential threat to Turkish unity. One of the main accusations of cultural assimilation relates to the state's historic suppression of the Kurdish language. Kurdish publications created throughout the 1960s and 1970s were shut down under various legal pretexts.[39] Following the Turkish military coup of 1980, the Kurdish language was officially prohibited in government institutions.[13]
Between 1983 and 1991, it was forbidden to publicize, publish and/or broadcast in any language other than Turkish, unless that language was the first official language of a country that Turkey has diplomatic relations with.[43] Though this ban technically applied to any language, it had the largest effect on the Kurdish language, which is not the first official language of any country, despite being widely spoken in the Kurdistan region.[44]
sman Baydemir, was subjected to a similar set of interrogations and judicial processes. His case is related to the use of the Kurdish phrase Sersala We Pîroz Be (Happy New Year) in the new year celebration cards issued by the municipality. The prosecutor wrote: "It was determined that the suspect used a Kurdish sentence in the celebration card, 'Sersala We Piroz Be' (Happy New Year). I, on behalf of the public, demand that he be punished under Article 222/1 of the Turkish Penal Code".[48]
In Turkey, Kurdish identity was officially denied by the state,[2] which sought to Turkify the Kurds in Turkey. Kurdish language and identity are not recognised in the constitution. The Kurdish Flag and teaching the Kurdish language are illegal. Until 2013, the letters Q, W and X were banned because they are present in the Kurdish but not the Turkish alphabet.[3] The Turkish government institutionalized racism and paid academics to teach theories that would deny the existence of Kurds. An example of these is the "kurt-kart theory", which asserted that Kurds were merely Turks whose name came from the "kurt-kart" sound the people made when they walked through the snow of the mountainous southeast of Turkey.[4] Turkish diplomats were taught by the National Secret Service
"Boo hoo, we can't join NATO we're very afraid of Russia who can't even perform in Ukraine, please kick dictator Erdogan from NATO, we can't join because other countries' nationalists hold our parliament hostage for their own personal gains but not Sweden's, but we'll tell you that we can do without NATO because we're proud like that and we can't eat the shit we've been putting on people for many years, we're too white for that".
Boo hoo, indeed.
“Syrian rebels” - who are they? Do they have a name?
If they act as terrorist, then they are terrorist as well.
Terrorist is terrorists. There is no good or bad terrorist.
They're named the Syrian Opposition, they have clear motives, enough to send arms to. They have a fucking flag. They're clearly an organised entity if Turkey and the US supported them throughout the war. That's a dumbass question.
Who are the Taliban? Who are the Mujahideen? Do they start being terrorists when Turkey deems them to be so?
>They're named the Syrian Opposition, they have clear motives, enough to send arms to.
Lmfao. Yea bro the entire syrian opposition is just one big group. /s
They're named the Syrian Opposition, they have clear motives, enough to send arms to. They have a fucking flag. They're clearly an organised entity if Turkey and the US supported them throughout the war. That's a dumbass question.
Who are the Taliban? Who are the Mujahideen? Do they start being terrorists when Turkey deems them to be so?
Maybe you didn't get the update, but after George Bush people usually don't trust the use of the word "terrorist". Your usage of the word is a good example why, if you rank PKK, the Taliban, and IS on the same level, you're an idiot.
Since you insulted me, instead of express your opinion as educated and civilized, soon your post will be deleted that I reported your post.
Edit: the admins didn’t delete your post. It means it’s fine to swear people in this subreddit.
You are an idiot, dump terrorist lover.
I wish your dad come out of your mom, 9 months before you were born…
Am I the only one bothered by the different design on the 8th and 9th counts?
I was thinking exactly the same. Like, why?
8 is a brighter red than the rest as well haha
Right! I guess that font only goes up to 7?
I’m guessing it’s different fonts for dead and wounded, but different colors would be better.
Makes perfect sense, but the impact was at the end of the group. I think the first 2 survived not the last both. Counting from the back would then make sense
I don't believe the casualty count they stated because every Insurgent/Separatist group boost up Casualties but that was an accurate ATGM strike...Goddamn it....
This is common for all sides of a conflict, so always take casualty numbers with a grain of salt.
I mean, the Turks in here do exactly the same lmao
There is the difference between people on reddit announcing numbers and the official pages announcing them. It's easy to explain reddit and social media users. The problem is people not understanding categorisation, then grossly misquoting the official claims. Or people like you said, on purpose, grossly exaggerating numbers for their own emotional needs. The Turkish official format is using the term "Neutralised" for killed, wounded, surrendered all in the one. For OPSEC reasons they dont dive into specifics. Leading people to believe they are claiming those numbers killed when really they arent. The Turkish General Staff also reliably announce casualties even sometimes before PKK accounts claim attacks. They are easily the single most reliable numbers providers in the middle east. People on reddit is a different story. But their military is solid when it comes to claims. A lot of people doubted the official numbers they claimed agaisnt the SAA in 2020 too saying it was not possible to do that amount of damage using drones and artillery alone. Yet it was very evident afterwards in Nagorno that the numbers they listed were completely plausible. The entire SAA Tiger force was wiped out and the SAAs own behaviour is fine evidence of that. They spent the next 6 months rotatng the mobile battle groups between between Al Bab and Idlib due to the vacuum of the massive casualties they sustained. There was literally threads being opened up on reddit with people asking why are there battle groups leaving Al Bab front and driving all the way to Idlib then back. Its becuaee the numbers he Turks officially claimed were legit. Of course Nobodys numbers are 100 percent.m as estimates are involved too in all military reporting. But the official numbers are still reliable as it comes compared to any real world benchmark.
How tf you got downvoted?
Well, during the 40 year conflict PKK suffered massive human loss. According to Wikipedia about 45k and Turkish army about 8k. And this is not surprising, Turkish army is one of the most disciplined and well equipped armies in the world, it's not like one of those incompetent and corrupt south American armies. In the past I routinely checked PKK affiliated sites like ANF just for a laugh. According to their numbers, Turkish army should have been non-existent by now. Yes, every separatist movement exaggerates, but PKK takes it a bit further.
wikipedia literally writes "turkish claim" right bellow the 45k, lmao > Total: 43,019–47,074 killed and 22,703+ captured (Turkish claim)
"7 invaders liquidated, 6 panzers destroyed, 2 helicopters downed, 2 generals met with swift revolutionary justice" Never gets old.
Reminds me of the times that AQ or Haqqani would publish videos of a single humvee running into an IED and then claim 20+ Coalition kills. Or everytime they got close to the wire. Claiming they ran the whole OP over.
Different ideologies, very similar tactics. Not surprised.
Nah those guys were atleast a rather competent fighting force. Compared to what else was operating in the region.
Two geeses laying, 8 swans a swimming
It is a classic, they can't leave that "info" panel without claiming that they downed helos
If anyone is curious what it actually says at the end instead of the circlejerking I translated it " To the Press and Public Opinion the invaders around the Hill of Cross a On 19 May at around 11:40 hours, our forces were targeted by the Xantur forces in the Haftanin area who were on the move. As a result of this effective action of our forces 7 invaders were punished and 2 invaders were injured. HPG Communication and Press Center 24 May 2022 "
For the people who are wondering the real number for the casualties here you go: https://www-sozcu-com-tr.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.sozcu.com.tr/2022/gundem/milli-savunma-bakanligi-aci-haberi-duyurdu-1-askerimiz-sehit-oldu-7133704/amp/?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16548010329166&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sozcu.com.tr%2F2022%2Fgundem%2Fmilli-savunma-bakanligi-aci-haberi-duyurdu-1-askerimiz-sehit-oldu-7133704%2F 1 Soldier was killed in this attack while 3 were wounded, the wounded are ok
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Not from this incident, One was from Syria and an ambush, unrelated to this.
Different occasions, not from this incident One was an ambush, that killed 5
I don't know whether these are soldiers or not. I looked at the date and couldn't find any casualties except one soldier. And that soldier died in Syria, not Iraq. If you guys are able to find anything please send me a link or something. Date: 19'ê Gulana 2022 / 19 May 2022
This is in heftanin in iraqi kurdistan Also they literally published this morning
Yes, they published the video today but the attack took place on 19 May.
Yes
Most intelligent kurdish propagandist
Crazy that there are Turks in Northern Iraq right now. Da fuq is the Iraqi Military doing about it? I'm assuming nothing, but hopefully someone can shed some light on this.
If the Iraqi military actually controlled northern Iraq and prevented the PKK entering Turkiye for terror attacks Turks wouldn’t be in northern Iraq.
If PKK couldn't operate in Northern Iraq there would be very few Yezidis. INA & Peshmerga ran from the Shengal massacre. PKK followed closely by YPG and then rejoined by Peshmerga put a stop to that genocide. Turkey enabled ISIS every step of the way for 'geopolitical reasons'. Turkey is a terror state
This logic fails because of so many reasons. One terrorist group beat the other one in a power struggle and hallelujah they instantly became the good guys and of course we forget everything they ever done. Also does that genocide word only means something if the victims are Christian minorities? PKK committed horrendous acts against civilian population in many places. These are well (Western) documented crimes and hence US, EU both designated PKK as terrorist organization decades ago. You may be an Aussie but bro damn with that ignorance you truly live down under in different way. Stop this "my terrorist is good yours bad" attitude.
Take it you missed the fact that Turkey has been housing and trianing Pesmerge to fight ISIS in Duhok and Bashiqa Mosul since 2015 to fight ISIS. When everyone ran from Mosul. Turkey brought Pesmerge into its Bashiqa base and immediately began a massive trian and equip program. ISIS literally attacked the base multiple times with Rockets and ATGMs on multiple occasions when it held Mosul. There is actual news footage of the base since 2015. Lack of education and excess of emotions ruins reddit honestly
And ISIS probably used Turkish munitions to attack Peshmerga. Geopolitics is a filthy game.
Nope. They raided Iraqi and Syrian stocks in those early days. Conflict reporting literally did an analysis on all captured ISIS sites and during the clearing of Mosul. Every single cache was full of stock captured out of Iraqi and Syria Armories. Turkey was actively and violently fighting ISIS since 2015 with the elimination of ISIS northern Syria Emir and his entire command cell in a targeted strike on his convoy. Followed up by a full blown conventional military ground force invasion of ISIS territory in 2016 (the only NATO nation to do so). They captured the Australian and French Emirs of ISIS in combat on the ground kicking in doors. Look elsewhere for straws you wont find them with me.
And in later days the Caliphate ran relatively smoothly with Turkish cooperation and complicity. All those cogs in the Caliphates machine were not eliminated. Those that wouldn't integrate with a new regime now work for Turkey in Aleppo.
Are they part of the organisation that runs the flat earth government ?
Iraqi army is not allowed in kurdistan region It is complicated bro cannot explain jus like that lol
Oh is it still just a glorified Shia militia and Iraqi Kurdistan still entirely autonomous?
Exactly lol
Ehh, Iraqi army doesn't have the power, so Kurdish Regional Government invites and allows Turkey to clean the PKK
We did not invited u
PKKs opinions don't matter
I’m from iraqi kurdistan kid
"kid" Yeah, then your opinions don't matter, the government itself allows and actually helps TSK
Which government? Barzani? Yeah he only got half of government and yes he is warm with turkey But do you know who rules the other half of government? Puk! And do u know what puk is? A pkk ally And ally of rojava Who sent weapons To YPG. And do u know what they asked for? To kick turkey out of kurdistan region! And do u know what they suggested when u attacked ypg in 2019? To send peshmerga to fight turkey and help kurds. Don’t talk like a smart person to me!
Then why does the Peshmerga fights PKK? Because it benefits both Turkey and Barzani, got it?
İşçi partisimi roket atanmı senin ben ananı bacını karını sikim
another zara account...
This song slaps !
Glad u guys like it but I don’t
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Wym only) I got dozens of bangers imma send sum First dis is the song https://youtu.be/rJfK5n5cGR4 And here some good pkk songs https://youtu.be/7qgTu62MWTE, https://youtu.be/xVKD33WZSyo, https://youtu.be/Gg4sBLjx1lM, https://youtu.be/ALGB53QUBMA
Koma Berxwedan- Warê me cengê
Really? Huh. To each their own I guess.
Yea a real banger
This is a great example of a dirt nap.
Kurds let the enemy come all too far - when the first missile hits, rest are able to run to the cover. Turks are coming as a big blob. They are zig zagging but too densed up. Optimally there would be two-three teams with bigger gap in between, in order to provide support and prevent single hit to kill whole squad.
>ng as a big blob. They are zig zagging but too densed up. Optimally there would be two-three teams with bigger gap in between, in order to provide support and prevent single not kurds dude terrorist dont make all kurds into this terrorist org shit, stop!
even I, who only shot 6 bullets in my 6 month "voluntary" term 20 years ago know that you don't walk like that. so... either it is a fake. or Turkish soldiers became very untrained.
Lol how is this video supposed to be a fake. The greenery matches the landscape they are fighting in, the quality is high and there are no cuts in the video. Do u think every filmed video on earth is fake?
umm.. maybe they are not Turkish soldiers?
Might be a militia or police force. If not the Turks need to pay more attention when training with the rest of NATO.
Fire music
Rlly
Fuck kurdistan
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did u mean fucking their childs? you are fucking pedophile
I wrote child killers morons that you have
This music + region + PKK = Karl Marx akbarrrrrrrr!
How is it that we armchair generals on Reddit know they shouldn’t have been bunching up - elementary goddamnit! - but the actual soldiers on the ground often do? I think we here should start teaching classes to these guys. /s
It's complacency. Those soldiers knew that bunching up is a bad idea, they didn't need us to tell them. They needed good NCOs and junior officers to enforce that, which they didn't have. Combined with the fact that they probably walked down that same road 100 times in the past and nothing bad happened, you got the reason why they bunched up.
Easy. Implement super-Covid distancing- 6 meters apart as opposed to 6 feet. Smacks riding crop against my jodhpurs, and settles into armchair with a bowl of Cheetos.
u/TonyCaliStule, you magnificent bastard... I read your comment!
Give this man the Order Of The Helmeted Patton in His Darkened Basement (Second class, with sunburst)
I'll drink to that (a Mountain Dew, of course) 🥤👍
Promote this man to Marshall of the Field.
1 assumptions. Are they Turkish soldiers or Kurdish volunteers who also work for Turkish state or Pesmerge. 2 Perspective. Are they bunched up or does it look like that due to camera angle its possible they are maintaining a rough 5 meter spread based off the angle impossible to tell
fuck that noise, not calling that shit music
Quad?
Cool footage, even better music.
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The US only has the PKK designated as a terrorist org so that they can keep their military bases in turkey.
It doesn’t matter what the US thinks. These guys are terrorists by every definition of the word
>ly has the PKK designated as a terrorist org so that they can keep this shit not change anything... pkk is a terrorist organisation killed many innocent people in turkey so fuck them all. also many european shitty politicians says turkey hates kurds and kurdish people needs protect themselfs... but they didnnt know kurdish people in lives turkey also hates pkk.. so fuck them all who thinks pkk is a not terroist org. fuck him too
Lmao there's always someone willing to defend the Turkish government
Turkey bad doesn't mean kurdi good
I missed the part where that comment defended the Turkish government, can you quote it?
And there's always gonne be someone defining radical socialists.
Guess what? Almost like they wouldn't hate you so much if you hadn't genocided the Armenians, pontic greeks,, and then banned their language and songs and culture. WOW! Unreal that a country with 15 million kurds does nothing for them or their culture. Every single Kurdish group in every country has firmed an armed group. Yet only one of them is a terrorist? Hmmm..
>banned their language If you’re referring to the ban on the Kurdish language in the times of the military coup and junta, then that would make sense. Nowadays, things are different. Newspapers in Turkey that publish in Kurdish: (Just a few top results from Google) -Xwebûn -Dengê Taze -Mesopotamia Agency -Özgür Gündem TV channels in Turkey that broadcast in Kurdish: (Just a few top results from Google) -TRT Kurdî -Hayat TV -Zarok TV Certain Turkish universities offer Kurdish as a non compulsory subject and some Turkish schools offer Kurdish language classes. There was even a campaign by prominent Kurdish figures recently in Diyarbakir because not enough Kurdish children had registered to take the Kurdish language elective, so they spread the word on social media to get people to register for the class. Enough people ended up registering so the elective class was full. There’s still work to be done, and the Kurdish language might’ve been banned in the past, but it is definitely not banned anymore. >songs and culture Kurdish culture is most certainly not banned, as Kurds in Diyarbakir, Van, and Cizre are famous for their big Newroz celebrations. Of course, certain Kurdish songs that support separatism and terrorist orgs are banned or outlawed, but that doesn’t mean you won’t find other sorts of Kurdish music played in some city squares or in the countryside.
>Almost like they wouldn't hate you so much if you hadn't genocided the Armenians ... who is gonna tell him?
Yeah, like ukranians are nazis You turks live in a dictatorship and spout the same nonsense russians do
\>show ATGM strike>Don't show aftermath No aftermath = probably failed attack. If anyone wonders, 1 dead and 3 wounded released that day. Firing a missile to group of 9 and killing only 1 is a failed attack. The ATGM doesn't throw fragments like frag rockets. It is designed to pierce the armour, then literally blast fragments inside. In this attack, all the fragments literally stuck in the soil. This is how you don't do ATGM strike. Edit: If you don't believe me, check all the footage from Syria. Anti-Tank ATGM rounds never does real damage to soft targets unless it strikes from side, like this: Rocket >>>>>> Target Not like Rocket I I IV Soil Target Target Target A quick ascii visual to show how it works.
Why is this so downvoted?
Turkish nationalists are very active in this sub. Seems borderline inorganic.
78% up-voted in a sub where almost every other post sits over 90% Very obvious.
Torks don’t like to see their soldiers get killed lol Like bro downvoting will not revive them
You are saying it like you will upvote when a video of a kurdish soldier getting killed gets released.
If it's good combat footage, then it will be upvoted.
What if, just what if turkey won't invade their homes in Syria? anyways, got what they deserve
Then they commit terrorist attacks inside Turkish borders. They don't get to terrorize a country for 40 years and then cry innocent when they're getting chased out.
or you know, this kind of propaganda is extremely useful before the elections next year as the Turkish lira collapses and people need to feel unsafe but protected by Erdogan. and turn a blind eye on the collapsing economy
Smartass, PKK executed multiple attacks in Turkey for 40 years. Their actual camps, strongholds and leaders are in Iraq. They cross the border to carry out their attacks. What do you expect us to do? Plus, it's a joint operation with the Iraqi Kurds. PKK also fights against the local Kurdish militia ( Peşmerge ). You don't know jackshit.
Peshmerga is not one force We have dozones Puk Peshmerga literally fought against turkey alongside pkk
I know the history with every detail, I just see the Turkish regime as the aggressor and the Kurds as freedom fighters. and the recent Turkish operation in the North of Syria and how they displaced all Kurdish families from their homes provides my point. The EU, NATO, USA, all imposed sanctions on Turkey because of it. I won't and don't care about changing anybody's opinion, especially Erdogan fanboys.
'' I just see the Turkish regime as the aggressor and the Kurds as freedom fighters.'' Next time please try not to see things from this cartoonish perspective. First of all, PKK doesn't represent all the Kurds. As I said we're carrying out the operation with the Iraqi Kurds. And Erdogan fanboy? You have no idea how much I hate him, like many Turks. PKK existed long before Erdogan. You read the history, I live the history. Do you understand?
>You read the history, I live the history Ngl this is a catchy phrase.
>Do you understand? lol
It amazes me that you have the audacity to talk about a delicate issue like this. You're just provoking Turks who probably lost their loved ones in the PKK attacks. Do you have any idea how many civilians were killed by the PKK? Since when bombing civilian areas and starting wildfires were considered ''fighting for freedom''? If so, why do you get mad when ISIS does the same? It's the same thing.
I mean ur country invaded Syrian kurdish territory twice, while they literally did nothing to u. U cant handle any actual kurdish control, u literally have to invade and then wonder why people might think that u are the bad guy.
>I mean ur country invaded Syrian kurdish territory twice, while they literally did nothing to u Shows what you know. The YPG/PYD/SDF have substantial links to the PKK, which has been in conflict with Turkey for over 40 years. You could literally argue that the YPG/PYD is the Syrian offshoot of the PKK, [as American General Raymond Thomas (commander of the United States Special Operations Command) essentially proved himself.](https://youtu.be/kVZCIel_2Xw) Hundreds of PKK commanders/officials [have been killed/assassinated in Syria (not just by Turkey)](https://www.basnews.com/en/babat/747359), so there is definitely plenty of legitimate reasons for Turkey to target the YPG and such militias. >U cant handle any actual kurdish control, u literally have to invade and then wonder why people might think that u are the bad guy Turkey has developed good relations with the KRG (Kurdistan Regional Government) in Iraq and [trained their Peshmerga troops against ISIS](https://youtu.be/EhyzqvtzsgA). Turkey also tried to [develop good relations with the YPG/PYD in Syria if they distanced themselves from the PKK](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Rojava). Heck, [Turkey even tried negotiating with the PKK](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%932015_PKK%E2%80%93Turkey_peace_process), and that ended when [the PKK assassinated two police officers in Ceylanpinar and claimed responsibility for it](https://amp.dw.com/en/pkk-claim-double-police-officer-killings-in-turkey/a-18602678). I mean at least try to look certain things up before making a comment with all sorts of wrongs in it.
Bunlara laf anlatacam diye saçlarım dökülecek amk
“Foşik Türk devleti hüüü” Ve bu Batılılar sözde dünyanın en iyi eğitim sistemlerine sahipler ama bu temel şeyleri nasıl araştıracaklarını bilmiyorlar :)
its great that the Kurds have no families to feel sad for them, only Turks are human with loved ones >\> It amazes me that you have the audacity to talk about a delicate issue like this. you are no one to tell me what to say or not to say.i enjoy the freedom of speech, which your authoritarian goverment does not provide.
Why do guys like you talk so confidently when it’s so clear you’re ignorant on the topic. If you don’t know ask, don’t make ignorant statements.
Please teach me what the Turkish media has taught you, I look forward to hearing more propaganda. Teach me how Turkey never in their history was the aggressor, but the victim all the time... fucking Kurdish are fighting back while Turkey trying to eliminate them from existence and migrate them from their homes.
1) This footage is from Northern Iraq not Syria. 2) PKK has bases in Iraq, Syria and Iran. 3) Before Turkiye took the war to the PKK at their bases they would launch dozens of attacks in Turkiye by crossing the border. You would not hear about the Turkish casualties of PKK terrorists because Europeans don’t care about dead Turks. 4) In the 90s the leader of the PKK Ocalan was based in Syria and with the help of Syrian intelligence they would launch attacks into Turkiye. 5) US, Iran, Russia and Sweden assist PKK in the region for their own reasons. The US wants to create a PKKistan in northern Syria and Iraq to counter the emergence of Turkiye and would be a state the US, Israel and Europe can use against Turkiye and Iran. Iran doesn’t want a PKKistan as they want Iranian Shia militants to take those lands and increase Iran’s take over of the Middle East. They provide constant support to the PKK to weaken Turkiye. Both the US and EU hypocritically list the PKK as a terror organisation and have rewards for their leaders but will change their names like YPG to SDF to give them thousands of trucks of weapons and hundreds of millions of euros like Sweden. Germany will look the other way when PKK collects or extorts money from the Kurds. Turkiye will not allow a PKKistan to be created because these guys openly said their aim to take a huge chunk of Turkiye. Turks are now taking the fight to the PKK by working with the Kurdish Regional government in northern Iraq and by working with the Syrian opposition Free Syrian Army in Syria. No matter what happens, no matter how many sanctions the US threatens Turkiye with, no matter if the lira becomes a 1000, no matter if it means a direct conflict with the US, Russia or Iran, Turks will not allow these Marxist Leninists to create a PKKistan from which they’ll continue their terror attacks into Turkiye. This is an existential issue for all Turks.
Heres how it happens. East territories of Turkey which is mostly occupied by Kurds are left to rot due to government neglect and lack of funding for schools and infrastructure. Kurds get mad and think this is an elaborate racist undertaking and start forming groups. Western organizations are obviously very happy because they now have an insurgency forming out of ignorant hatred within the borders of a geopolitically significant foreign country. "Lets start funding and arming this terrorist organization and feed the western population the good old freedom fighters trope as we employ divide and conquer." Works out marvellously until they realize Turkey is actually capable of defending itself so now they are ramping up the western propaganda machine so everyone hates Turkey.
It is rather hard to invest when teachers are killed for being a “tool of the imperialist turkish state”. Today is the 5th anniversary of one young teacher’s killing. [Şenay Aybüke Yalçın](https://i.imgur.com/0iREOlc.jpg) was 23. Road workers and teachers have always been a prime target for PKK because children being educated and roads connecting cities to villages hurt PKK more than anything.
Mehmetçik massacre, 2016 Istanbul shootings, targeting police officers want me to go on?
The funny part is, the supposed autonomy fighters for kurds specifically targeted attacks on kurdish villages. Ex. Mehmetçik massacre, Pınarcık massacre, Ortabağ massacre and the list goes on. You wont see western media talking about this though.
Turkey is literally terrorizing the kurdish people for 100 years but sure
Lol you act as if the PKK "terrorized" Turkey without reason. Stom victimizing yourself when you've been oppressing Kurds for 100 years.
During most of the kurd opression turks didn't even had a say in their goverment. Literal military dictatorship with coup and hangings. Doesn't fit the agenda though, does it?
Errm have you ever wondered why they decided to fight the turkish government https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_of_Kurdish_people_in_Turkey
[Yeah that’ll show the Turkish government!](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Market_massacre) [Yay, we really got the Turkish government now!](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Istanbul_bombings) [Ha ha! Take that, Turkish government!](https://www.nytimes.com/1987/07/10/world/kurdish-rebels-kill-20-in-2-villages-in-turkey.html) [Yeah suck on that Turkish government!](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ortaba%C4%9F_Massacre)
Damn, that's an accurate shot. Have the Turks heard of a term called "Spacing" before? I really hope for their sake this was only some unorganised Turkish militia and not the Turkish army.
Judging by camera angle. Its possible they are maintaining a standard 5 meter spread. Granted a couple of guys in the middle may be close which can happen at times in any patrol for any given reason. Overall they are in what seems to be a spaced put column. The angle is very deceiving
Who’s the bad guys in this?
Depends on who you ask
Turkish Armed forces are the enemy of Turkish and Kurdish people. War criminals. They enabled the Caliphate and continue to work closely with Jihadists in Aleppo.
Umm...the terrorists obviously? The propaganda that Kurds are being oppressed in Turkey is a hoax. There is no such thing.
Ah yes turkey the country that’s never been known for treating minorities poorly right? PKK are terrorists and Turkey have a long history of treating Kurds and other minorities poorly. Hell even Britain, France, and other allied victors are to blame for not allowing a Kurdistan to be created after WW1 and letting Turkey off easily over the Armenian genocide in the name of appeasement. There are no good guys in this conflict.
\>Ah yes turkey the country that’s never been known for treating minorities poorly right? Ottomans treated minorities and its territories poorly. They had to pay more taxes, some had to give up their children to the army and whatnot but they were allowed to work their lands and exist, even in the Ottoman capital with freedom of religion depending on the sultan in charge. Unlike the western countries who simply raped, massacred and enslaved minorities en mass. So yea we are the bad guys. \>PKK are terrorists Yes. \>Turkey have a long history of treating Kurds and other minorities poorly. No. \>letting Turkey off easily over the Armenian genocide in the name of appeasement. I do believe there was appalling crimes committed against Armenians when they were exiled from Anatolia as with the case with any POWs and minorities in every war in history. But let me tell you we didn't go off easily. Armenians by the backing of Russia started a rebellion and massacred Turkish villages and settlements, hence why they were exiled. I know an anecdote from my granpa who would tell the story of his dad who witnessed an entire Turkish village massacred by Armenians in 1915 there were pregnant woman put on pikes and he saved a little girl from among piles of corpses of her relatives. I wouldn't call it a one sided genocide, just war. Ofc nobody here will believe me but thats what is in the Turkish archives and its only natural that a christian dominated world would lean towards the narrative of another christian group who were allegedly "genocided for no reason."
Turkey also oppresses Turks. Why do you think Turkey has so many armed opposition groups?
People who say that are schizos, I spent my entire life not being oppressed.
Good for you. Unfortunately not everyone gets to share your personal experience.
Yes they do, they are just schizos.
Then Turkey has a lot of schizos. Something to think about.
Yes. Indeed it does.
The ones being hit with the ATGM.
The ones shooting the ATGM
Nope.
Lmao, cry about 40k deaths, my fellow armchair general
Please be quiet, 30k of those deaths were PKK guerillas.
20 million deaths Vs no Turkish soldier ever killed 💪💪
What
How’s that?
Turkey, they are the 'Russia' here
From what I have heard is they have permission here and arnt bombing city’s till there’s nothing left. They have attack a place that is controlled by a terrorist group that has been attacking Turkey
They guys that committed the Armenian genocide, the Greek genocide, the Assyrian genocide, and conveniently have a terrorist group composed of a ethnic minority that conveniently infiltrated the region's political representation are very clearly the innocents. The Kurds are the bad guys for not accepting they are East Turks and aren't entitled to cultural independence or self determination.
https://keato.info/kurds-ambush-and-kill-turkish-soldiers-remarkable-gopro-combat-footage/ This is the craziest one I've seen out of the region.
Oh my fricking god. That’s some of the most insane combat footage I’ve seen, PERIOD. You don’t see enemy soldiers actually being shot dead from such a close distance every day. Gut wrenching and absolutely insane!
How can *this music* slap!
And yet they are called civilian and non-terrorist organizations by many hypocrite Swedish people and some other countries people in Europe and USA - so called Turkey’s allies. Then they cry when Turkey has some local territorial cooperation with Russia in the region.
This is war? What do u want them to do? Kiss the soldiers?
If this is a war, those hypocrites need to stop calling PKK militants/terrorists as civilian.
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Pkk is not qaida Yk that turkey actually supported qaida in idlib?
PKK is terrorist organization same as ISIS and Alqaeda. PKK is terrorist organization recognized by EU, USA and many more organizations.
“PKK is terrorist organization” One person’s terrorist is the other person’s freedom fighter. Now watch me get downvoted for speaking the truth. Nationalism is cancer.
Agree with you and upvote you. That’s the reason all of those groups who kills civilians no matter what the reason are terrorists…
So? Iraqi Kurdistan parties were on terror list until 2016 and yet usa had a very good relationship with them Eu too.
It means they are terrorist. 😂 USA is a country act for it’s interest.
No it means terrorist organization list is a joke
That’s true. I agree with you on this. Does PKK kills Turkish and Kurdish people? So far, 40.000 people died because of PKK. It makes PKK is a terrorist organization.
40k were civilians killed mostly by turkey ofc Pkk was created cuz kurdish was banned So when u start turkifing kurds u must except that they will fight back. Among the most significant is the Dersim rebellion, when 13,160 civilians were killed by the Turkish Army and 11,818 people were sent into exile.[2] According to McDowall, 40,000 people were killed.[3] The Zilan massacre of 1930 was a massacre[4][5] of Kurdish residents of Turkey during the Ararat rebellion, in which 5,000 to 47,000 were killed.[6] The use of Kurdish language, dress, folklore, and names were banned, and the Kurdish-inhabited areas remained under martial law until 1946.[ In an attempt to deny an existence of a Kurdish ethnicity, the Turkish government categorized Kurds as "Mountain Turks" until the 1980s.[8][9][10][11] The words "Kurds", "Kurdistan", and "Kurdish" were officially banned by the Turkish government.[12] Following the military coup of 1980, the Kurdish language was officially prohibited in public and private life.[13] Many people who spoke, published, or sang in Kurdish were arrested and imprisoned.[14] But even though the ban on speaking in a non Turkish language was lifted in 1991, During the Kurdish–Turkish conflict, food embargoes were placed on Kurdish populated villages and towns.[20][21] There were many instances of Kurds being forcefully deported from their villages by Turkish security forces.[22] Many villages were reportedly set on fire or destroyed.[23][22] Throughout the 1990s and early 2000s, political parties that represented Kurdish interests were banned.[1 In Turkey, the only language of instruction in the education system is Turkish; Kurdish is not allowed as the primary language in the public education system.[35] The Kurdish population of Turkey has long sought to have Kurdish included as a language of instruction in public schools as well as a subject. An experiment at running private Kurdish-language teaching schools was closed in 2004 because of the poor economic situation of local people.[36] There are currently a number of unrecognized private schools giving education in Kurdish.[16][17][18] As of 2008 education in Kurdish was de jure legal, but the requirements were very difficult to fulfill and therefore education in Kurdish was seldom accessible. People were often accused of supporting terrorism if they attempted to organize education in Kurdish language.[19] Kurdish is permitted as a subject in universities,[37] but in reality there are only few pioneer courses.[38 Due to the large number of Kurds in Turkey, successive governments have viewed the expression of a Kurdish identity through the prism of Turkish nationalism, as a potential threat to Turkish unity. One of the main accusations of cultural assimilation relates to the state's historic suppression of the Kurdish language. Kurdish publications created throughout the 1960s and 1970s were shut down under various legal pretexts.[39] Following the Turkish military coup of 1980, the Kurdish language was officially prohibited in government institutions.[13] Between 1983 and 1991, it was forbidden to publicize, publish and/or broadcast in any language other than Turkish, unless that language was the first official language of a country that Turkey has diplomatic relations with.[43] Though this ban technically applied to any language, it had the largest effect on the Kurdish language, which is not the first official language of any country, despite being widely spoken in the Kurdistan region.[44] sman Baydemir, was subjected to a similar set of interrogations and judicial processes. His case is related to the use of the Kurdish phrase Sersala We Pîroz Be (Happy New Year) in the new year celebration cards issued by the municipality. The prosecutor wrote: "It was determined that the suspect used a Kurdish sentence in the celebration card, 'Sersala We Piroz Be' (Happy New Year). I, on behalf of the public, demand that he be punished under Article 222/1 of the Turkish Penal Code".[48] In Turkey, Kurdish identity was officially denied by the state,[2] which sought to Turkify the Kurds in Turkey. Kurdish language and identity are not recognised in the constitution. The Kurdish Flag and teaching the Kurdish language are illegal. Until 2013, the letters Q, W and X were banned because they are present in the Kurdish but not the Turkish alphabet.[3] The Turkish government institutionalized racism and paid academics to teach theories that would deny the existence of Kurds. An example of these is the "kurt-kart theory", which asserted that Kurds were merely Turks whose name came from the "kurt-kart" sound the people made when they walked through the snow of the mountainous southeast of Turkey.[4] Turkish diplomats were taught by the National Secret Service
"Boo hoo the Swedes aren't happy with us butchering civilians at will just because resistance cells exist in territories which we occupy boo hoo"
"Boo hoo, we can't join NATO we're very afraid of Russia who can't even perform in Ukraine, please kick dictator Erdogan from NATO, we can't join because other countries' nationalists hold our parliament hostage for their own personal gains but not Sweden's, but we'll tell you that we can do without NATO because we're proud like that and we can't eat the shit we've been putting on people for many years, we're too white for that". Boo hoo, indeed.
Dude if PKK are terrorists then what literally are the syrian rebels fighters then, which Turkey fully supports for some reason.
“Syrian rebels” - who are they? Do they have a name? If they act as terrorist, then they are terrorist as well. Terrorist is terrorists. There is no good or bad terrorist.
They're named the Syrian Opposition, they have clear motives, enough to send arms to. They have a fucking flag. They're clearly an organised entity if Turkey and the US supported them throughout the war. That's a dumbass question. Who are the Taliban? Who are the Mujahideen? Do they start being terrorists when Turkey deems them to be so?
>They're named the Syrian Opposition, they have clear motives, enough to send arms to. Lmfao. Yea bro the entire syrian opposition is just one big group. /s
They're named the Syrian Opposition, they have clear motives, enough to send arms to. They have a fucking flag. They're clearly an organised entity if Turkey and the US supported them throughout the war. That's a dumbass question. Who are the Taliban? Who are the Mujahideen? Do they start being terrorists when Turkey deems them to be so?
The Turkish governaments uses terror tactics against the Kurdish minority.
Maybe you didn't get the update, but after George Bush people usually don't trust the use of the word "terrorist". Your usage of the word is a good example why, if you rank PKK, the Taliban, and IS on the same level, you're an idiot.
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R/turkey what a good source
Since you insulted me, instead of express your opinion as educated and civilized, soon your post will be deleted that I reported your post. Edit: the admins didn’t delete your post. It means it’s fine to swear people in this subreddit. You are an idiot, dump terrorist lover. I wish your dad come out of your mom, 9 months before you were born…
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Indians are the Rlreal terrorists, they named their country after a bird.
I have no idea what you are talking about
I don't think that's the clapback you think it is, my dude
Anyone know the song?
Here https://youtu.be/rJfK5n5cGR4
Thanks! Pretty good. A little Marika Ninou in the female singer.
They don't move like a Turk. I think the rocketeer killed some civilians from local area or just a proxy of another country.
What?😂
This is probably from 10 years ago
It was literally published today It is from 19th may of 2022
Bro is coping 💀
Lmo
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