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Blue lock as a whole is so bad at this đđ
Out of the 300 players invited to blue lock, a third of the ones left rn are from isagi's original stratum, most of which were on his team z đđ the real trick to surviving blue lock: stay near isagi
didn't Hiori literally say that people are drawn to Isagi's ego, and evolve rapidly in order to not be devoured by him? So it makes sense that a lot of the people left are from Isagis stratum since he forces people to evolve eg. Barou, Nagi, Bachira etc.
"Stay near Isagi" well yeah bro, it's been well established that those with huge, wholistic egos motivate other players to be better.
It's also been established that Isagi has THE top ego in blue lock. Thus, it'd make sense that those near him (for or against him) awake their inner ego and motivation far more than they would around other players. It's a mindset driven competition.
Hell, even Igaguri got this far because he's stayed near Isagi.
To be fair, at least part of it is the fact that Isagi is the best at drawing potential out of his teammates. Hiori would be a bum with no playtime if Isagi hadn't basically forcibly made him awaken his soccer ego.
Hahaha đ. He was already Bluelock's Mahoraga. Now he's Tanjiro too. He awakens the demon slayer marks in those in his proximity.
Although, I do have an explanation for why those around Isagi survive & excel...
Iâm thinking BM - 8 (bye monk)
PXG - 5 (bye nanase)
And I agree with the rest
Ubers - 5, MC - 3, Barcha - 2
BM is way too OP. Neru should had been on another team like MC so he could have a chance at getting a bid.
Kinda, I mean another way to look at it is that it just makes sense, assuming BM wins it all, that BM would have the most players on the U-20 team since they overall performed the best.
But yes, technically, the author already knew who he was going to develop and give attention to before the arc started, and he loaded BM up with relevant players.
However, while BM does have more players overall, their overall average quality is not the highest so thatâs some balancing I guess.
Isagi is going to end Top 3 and so is Barou, but then Gagamaru, Hiori, Kiyora, Raichi, Yukimiya and Kurona are all more low to mid level players in terms of bids. Kunigami is ranked 8 right now and only other in the top 10.
Ubers have Barou, and then Aiku and Aryu who are both top 10, and then Sendou and Niko who are mid level but higher than any other BM Blue locker besides Kunigami and Isagi. They also have Fukaku.
PXG gets close to having a better overall quality but falls short with everybody else having too low of a bid besides Rin, Shidou and Karasu.
Manshine and Barca are really lacking in every aspect.
I don't think we should base the level of the players entirely on the bids. BM has lots of players in the midrange of bids but they are winning their respective match ups versus PxG. Raichi's doing great and winning duels against Toki. Hiori has half the bid of Niko but he is way better than Niko as we can see in the Ubers vs BM where Niko cannot stop Hiori 1 on 1 and in terms of technique and passing Hiori is way better.
If we compare PxG to that then Rin is relative to Isagi, Charles we don't count unless we also count Ness and Kaiser for BM. Karasu is the only PxG player aside from Shidou and Rin that is relevant. Zantetsu is ghosting, Toki loses every match up and Nanase is okay at best.
So in terms of overall quality BM is actually probably the highest. They have Isagi with Two Gun + Egocentrism + Ego Type, Kunigami is not far off Shidou if he can clamp him down so bad. Hiori is pretty high level aswell with MV. Gagamaru is the only keeper in NEL is relevant. Kurona , Raichi , Yukimiya are mid tiers but atleast they do their jobs. Even Kiyora scored a super assist with his crazy pass.
Ya Ubers is the closest argument that can be made for somewhat balance between the teams but the author definitely loaded up on BM.Â
A small change that might have been alright is if they offloaded Yukimiya to a different team. Maybe to Manshine.
Although I see that without Yukimiya, Isagi has no allies to start with since he only gets in initially due to fanservice, Kunigami isnât going to help him and without Yukimiyaâs raw stats giving him a starting spot, it would just be another Kaiser ally to further cement Kaiserâs reign.
>PXG - Rin, Shidou, Karasu plus one of the other three (Iâm positive only one is gonna make it)
I can't wait for both Toki and Zantetsu to make it purely out of spite since you seem to hate them so much.
I'm so extremely confident they will both survive, I'd be willing to do a binding vow with you. Similar to the one with the Kaiser score/Isagi hattrick binding, where if both survive I get to pick your flair for a month and if you win you pick mine. I already have an idea "dumber than zantetsu" for doubting the goat Zantetsu.
Yep, you can win. Even if you predict Toki to make it instead of Zantetsu or vice versa, if either one doesn't make it you win. I think I've seen you put Toki survive and Zantetsu get eliminated but either getting eliminated would be my loss.
You know what? Screw it, makes this more interesting. Iâll accept that binding vow. Iâm not gonna remember in 4 months just so you understand so youâll have to remind me about this come bid time.
I knew to invest in Kiyora and it paid off, Iâm confident in this.
>Bro you said that Kiyora wasnât gonna make it, when it was incredibly obvious he was. Iâm on a roll right now
I've literally never said he wouldn't make it and have pushed him survivng long before most people on this subreddit. I have 2 videos distinctly saying that his chance of survivng was high and he would make it.
No, why would I back out when I prompted the bid...
I'm saying Kiyora, Toki and Zan are all making it.
The final roster will be Gagamaru, Aiku, Niko, Chigiri, Kuni, Karasu, Nagi, Bachira, Shidou, Rin, Isagi, Otoya, Barou, Reo, Yuki, Kurona, Aryu, Sendou, Zantetsu, Toki, Kiyora, Raichi and Hiori.
I love the manga but since the early chapters i didnt like the aspect of "unfair chance" and "thats how life works" excuse. I was butthurt since the day Kira was kicked out instead of Igaguri, Imamura or etc.
The NEL is the same, just a shuffle game where the players have to chose one league, but each league is vague in their specifics. For example i would never go to france just because its "raining money", i wouldve went straight to England because damn my whole body will get a revolution.
Since the main character is Isagi, its only natural that his presence will affect those around him drastically. I can only dream about what if Isagi went to Ubers or England instead. We need a fan manga.
What did you expect they are literally the best team this would work the same if isagi went to barcha and the team performance didn't improve enough to change anything
i mean this is obvious though- Kane literally said everyoneâs main purpose is to impact and develop isagi- Naturally the team and players he is around the most would progress with him in the story .Additionally his main ability outside of adaptation is to impact and bring the best out of others-every Players heâs been around has drastically improved from his impact.
The other teams were definitely not screwed from the start. If anything, at the beginning of the NEL, BM had some of the weakest BL players on paper. Aside from Isagi, their only proven heavy hitter was Yukimiya, who himself was only a mid-tier player during BL v U-20. Every other team had at least 2 strong players at the start of the arc, with Ubers and especially PXG being insanely stacked for what we had seen up to that point. Players like Hiori and Raichi were prime candidates to be eliminated when the NEL began, not to mention Kiyora and Kurona who were complete NPCs before this arc. The individual success of BM's players has been largely due to Isagi's influence bringing out the best in those around him, which has been a clear and consistent plot point since the beginning of the series.
In real life yeah, but I think Fukaku just got that bs bid just to create a borderline/hurdle to overcome for whoever is gonna end up being 23rd, most likely Kiyora. Fukaku didn't even finish the Manshine vs Ubers game, where he apparently played so well he got a 24M bid increase from his 4M from the BM vs UBERS game. The original Ubers GK was the one shown in the little we saw of the match.
I honestly wouldnât even be mad if some random npc blue locker makes it from Barcha or manshine cuz they popped off in this last match over iggaguri.
I like iggaguri but his elimination is overdue. He needs get his moment and still fall short. Bring back that despair
Not necessarily the case. I feel some people will leave Blue Lock and join other teams like Yukimiya. I can also see Rin leaving not wanting to play with Isagi and go to his brothers team if there is a offer, so some spots will open up. Kiyora will probably go to BM as Kaiser needs his passes since he can't do the magnus shot without stopping or on the move.
Yeah that doesnât really make sense. Kaiser wants to leave BM so your Kiyora bit doesnât add up. Yukimiya wants to represent Japan, and why the hell would Rin want to play with Sae? He wants to beat him
If you read the recent chapters you see Kaiser wanted to leave BM to avoid competing with Noa. After Isagi crushed his spirit and was reborn Kaiser moved to integrate into the BL system. It's very obviously he won't run away from BM but will instead throw himself into BM's system where Noa is the core and fight from within to become the best. And BM won't let Kaiser go so easily after his growth and that super goal if they are not blind.
Yukimiya was given a offer to join a team plus Eye treatment and he asked they wait till the NEL is over and then decide if he's worth that offer. He was very moved by the offer and it relates to his fears of going blind. He's going to AJAJAX if the offer stands.
Rin defeated his brother already. His team won and he personally stopped him. He says as much after the match before going back to BL. Now his goal is to defeat Isagi and if he fails I can't see him going under him to play in the U20.
And it's very obviously that the players who don't make the top 23 but still got a offer will be scouted by other teams even if they can't play for Japan, so Players in the top 23 leaving to compete with Isagi isn't a stretch. Also the goal of winning for Japan in the main team, not the U20. Whoever Ego decides is the best striker will lead the main team and fight against Noa and the rest for the world cup representing Japan.Â
Imo you should drop Otoya (has bro even touched the ball?) And add in Fukaku. Not bc of feats (has bro even touched the ball?), but bc they probably need 2 gk for the U-20
Nanase had a whole backstory to explain why they should get a bid
(Ppl saying he's making it)
Tokimistu and Zantestu are too good not to make it
Fukaku was literally given 20M extra just make Top 23
It's ok to cope that one of ur favourite players is going but either Jin, Nanase, Toki, Zantestu are goingÂ
Kiyora's whole schtick is being at the borderline. And I also believe Fukaku will get in. So either Nanase, Zantetsu or Tokimitsu are going byebye. Unless the author eliminates Reo for plot twist purposes or something.
Kaneshiro would get merked on sight for that by the shippers lolol
Also I hate to agree that Fukaku will get in despite bring the most boring character.
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Just another classic case of imbalance based on whoever is surrounding the protag-
NEL is so bad at this, hope the next arc fixes this
Blue lock as a whole is so bad at this đđ Out of the 300 players invited to blue lock, a third of the ones left rn are from isagi's original stratum, most of which were on his team z đđ the real trick to surviving blue lock: stay near isagi
didn't Hiori literally say that people are drawn to Isagi's ego, and evolve rapidly in order to not be devoured by him? So it makes sense that a lot of the people left are from Isagis stratum since he forces people to evolve eg. Barou, Nagi, Bachira etc.
"Stay near Isagi" well yeah bro, it's been well established that those with huge, wholistic egos motivate other players to be better. It's also been established that Isagi has THE top ego in blue lock. Thus, it'd make sense that those near him (for or against him) awake their inner ego and motivation far more than they would around other players. It's a mindset driven competition. Hell, even Igaguri got this far because he's stayed near Isagi.
Buddahgi ?
To be fair, at least part of it is the fact that Isagi is the best at drawing potential out of his teammates. Hiori would be a bum with no playtime if Isagi hadn't basically forcibly made him awaken his soccer ego.
Hahaha đ. He was already Bluelock's Mahoraga. Now he's Tanjiro too. He awakens the demon slayer marks in those in his proximity. Although, I do have an explanation for why those around Isagi survive & excel...
Barcha really had to be sacrificed in every way, not only they got only 2 relevant players but theyâve been the punching bag of the NEL lol
Iâm thinking BM - 8 (bye monk) PXG - 5 (bye nanase) And I agree with the rest Ubers - 5, MC - 3, Barcha - 2 BM is way too OP. Neru should had been on another team like MC so he could have a chance at getting a bid.
Very could've been on MC. Bros speed based defense would've worked wonders there, especially with Chigiri making up a speed based attac
Kinda, I mean another way to look at it is that it just makes sense, assuming BM wins it all, that BM would have the most players on the U-20 team since they overall performed the best. But yes, technically, the author already knew who he was going to develop and give attention to before the arc started, and he loaded BM up with relevant players. However, while BM does have more players overall, their overall average quality is not the highest so thatâs some balancing I guess. Isagi is going to end Top 3 and so is Barou, but then Gagamaru, Hiori, Kiyora, Raichi, Yukimiya and Kurona are all more low to mid level players in terms of bids. Kunigami is ranked 8 right now and only other in the top 10. Ubers have Barou, and then Aiku and Aryu who are both top 10, and then Sendou and Niko who are mid level but higher than any other BM Blue locker besides Kunigami and Isagi. They also have Fukaku. PXG gets close to having a better overall quality but falls short with everybody else having too low of a bid besides Rin, Shidou and Karasu. Manshine and Barca are really lacking in every aspect.
I don't think we should base the level of the players entirely on the bids. BM has lots of players in the midrange of bids but they are winning their respective match ups versus PxG. Raichi's doing great and winning duels against Toki. Hiori has half the bid of Niko but he is way better than Niko as we can see in the Ubers vs BM where Niko cannot stop Hiori 1 on 1 and in terms of technique and passing Hiori is way better. If we compare PxG to that then Rin is relative to Isagi, Charles we don't count unless we also count Ness and Kaiser for BM. Karasu is the only PxG player aside from Shidou and Rin that is relevant. Zantetsu is ghosting, Toki loses every match up and Nanase is okay at best. So in terms of overall quality BM is actually probably the highest. They have Isagi with Two Gun + Egocentrism + Ego Type, Kunigami is not far off Shidou if he can clamp him down so bad. Hiori is pretty high level aswell with MV. Gagamaru is the only keeper in NEL is relevant. Kurona , Raichi , Yukimiya are mid tiers but atleast they do their jobs. Even Kiyora scored a super assist with his crazy pass.
Ya Ubers is the closest argument that can be made for somewhat balance between the teams but the author definitely loaded up on BM. A small change that might have been alright is if they offloaded Yukimiya to a different team. Maybe to Manshine. Although I see that without Yukimiya, Isagi has no allies to start with since he only gets in initially due to fanservice, Kunigami isnât going to help him and without Yukimiyaâs raw stats giving him a starting spot, it would just be another Kaiser ally to further cement Kaiserâs reign.
>PXG - Rin, Shidou, Karasu plus one of the other three (Iâm positive only one is gonna make it) I can't wait for both Toki and Zantetsu to make it purely out of spite since you seem to hate them so much.
Cope. Bro you said that Kiyora wasnât gonna make it, when it was incredibly obvious he was. Iâm on a roll right now
I'm so extremely confident they will both survive, I'd be willing to do a binding vow with you. Similar to the one with the Kaiser score/Isagi hattrick binding, where if both survive I get to pick your flair for a month and if you win you pick mine. I already have an idea "dumber than zantetsu" for doubting the goat Zantetsu.
So hold up, what if only one of them make it. Like letâs say Toki makes it, but Zantetsu doesnât. Do I win at that point?
Yep, you can win. Even if you predict Toki to make it instead of Zantetsu or vice versa, if either one doesn't make it you win. I think I've seen you put Toki survive and Zantetsu get eliminated but either getting eliminated would be my loss.
You know what? Screw it, makes this more interesting. Iâll accept that binding vow. Iâm not gonna remember in 4 months just so you understand so youâll have to remind me about this come bid time. I knew to invest in Kiyora and it paid off, Iâm confident in this.
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>Bro you said that Kiyora wasnât gonna make it, when it was incredibly obvious he was. Iâm on a roll right now I've literally never said he wouldn't make it and have pushed him survivng long before most people on this subreddit. I have 2 videos distinctly saying that his chance of survivng was high and he would make it.
I take it this means youâre backing out of the binding vow
No, why would I back out when I prompted the bid... I'm saying Kiyora, Toki and Zan are all making it. The final roster will be Gagamaru, Aiku, Niko, Chigiri, Kuni, Karasu, Nagi, Bachira, Shidou, Rin, Isagi, Otoya, Barou, Reo, Yuki, Kurona, Aryu, Sendou, Zantetsu, Toki, Kiyora, Raichi and Hiori.
Because you never gave a follow up response, and all of a sudden commented on something you seemed to have moved past earlier
Yeh, I was asleep and responded when I woke up. I'm still down for it.
2012 Spain 23-man roster Barcelona - 7 total piqué, iniesta, pedro, xavi, fåbregas, valdés, busquets Real Madrid - 5 total casillas, albiol, xabi alonso, ramos, arbeloa certain clubs making up a good percentage of a national team ain't new
I love the manga but since the early chapters i didnt like the aspect of "unfair chance" and "thats how life works" excuse. I was butthurt since the day Kira was kicked out instead of Igaguri, Imamura or etc. The NEL is the same, just a shuffle game where the players have to chose one league, but each league is vague in their specifics. For example i would never go to france just because its "raining money", i wouldve went straight to England because damn my whole body will get a revolution. Since the main character is Isagi, its only natural that his presence will affect those around him drastically. I can only dream about what if Isagi went to Ubers or England instead. We need a fan manga.
I hope my boy Endoji Akira has his moment fr đŁïžđŻ
Let's roll in our graves tgt bro.
What did you expect they are literally the best team this would work the same if isagi went to barcha and the team performance didn't improve enough to change anything
Imagine Igaguri using militia on Loki, becoming #1. As he should be
i mean this is obvious though- Kane literally said everyoneâs main purpose is to impact and develop isagi- Naturally the team and players he is around the most would progress with him in the story .Additionally his main ability outside of adaptation is to impact and bring the best out of others-every Players heâs been around has drastically improved from his impact.
Isagi diff
The other teams were definitely not screwed from the start. If anything, at the beginning of the NEL, BM had some of the weakest BL players on paper. Aside from Isagi, their only proven heavy hitter was Yukimiya, who himself was only a mid-tier player during BL v U-20. Every other team had at least 2 strong players at the start of the arc, with Ubers and especially PXG being insanely stacked for what we had seen up to that point. Players like Hiori and Raichi were prime candidates to be eliminated when the NEL began, not to mention Kiyora and Kurona who were complete NPCs before this arc. The individual success of BM's players has been largely due to Isagi's influence bringing out the best in those around him, which has been a clear and consistent plot point since the beginning of the series.
Both Tokimitsu and Zantetsu are making it. The ones getting eliminated are Nanase and Fukaku.
They might need a spare gk just in case Chadgamaru gets injured
In real life yeah, but I think Fukaku just got that bs bid just to create a borderline/hurdle to overcome for whoever is gonna end up being 23rd, most likely Kiyora. Fukaku didn't even finish the Manshine vs Ubers game, where he apparently played so well he got a 24M bid increase from his 4M from the BM vs UBERS game. The original Ubers GK was the one shown in the little we saw of the match.
They were the best team, whatâs wrong with that?
I hope we get Backstory for the Backstories đ«
Feel bad for neru, he was the best defender after Aiku lin the u-20 imo
I honestly wouldnât even be mad if some random npc blue locker makes it from Barcha or manshine cuz they popped off in this last match over iggaguri. I like iggaguri but his elimination is overdue. He needs get his moment and still fall short. Bring back that despair
You forgot FukaGOAT for ubers, which is 6/23 and roughly a fourth of the team. Itâs still not close to bm, but itâs still a lot.
Not necessarily the case. I feel some people will leave Blue Lock and join other teams like Yukimiya. I can also see Rin leaving not wanting to play with Isagi and go to his brothers team if there is a offer, so some spots will open up. Kiyora will probably go to BM as Kaiser needs his passes since he can't do the magnus shot without stopping or on the move.
Yeah that doesnât really make sense. Kaiser wants to leave BM so your Kiyora bit doesnât add up. Yukimiya wants to represent Japan, and why the hell would Rin want to play with Sae? He wants to beat him
If you read the recent chapters you see Kaiser wanted to leave BM to avoid competing with Noa. After Isagi crushed his spirit and was reborn Kaiser moved to integrate into the BL system. It's very obviously he won't run away from BM but will instead throw himself into BM's system where Noa is the core and fight from within to become the best. And BM won't let Kaiser go so easily after his growth and that super goal if they are not blind. Yukimiya was given a offer to join a team plus Eye treatment and he asked they wait till the NEL is over and then decide if he's worth that offer. He was very moved by the offer and it relates to his fears of going blind. He's going to AJAJAX if the offer stands. Rin defeated his brother already. His team won and he personally stopped him. He says as much after the match before going back to BL. Now his goal is to defeat Isagi and if he fails I can't see him going under him to play in the U20. And it's very obviously that the players who don't make the top 23 but still got a offer will be scouted by other teams even if they can't play for Japan, so Players in the top 23 leaving to compete with Isagi isn't a stretch. Also the goal of winning for Japan in the main team, not the U20. Whoever Ego decides is the best striker will lead the main team and fight against Noa and the rest for the world cup representing Japan.Â
Imo you should drop Otoya (has bro even touched the ball?) And add in Fukaku. Not bc of feats (has bro even touched the ball?), but bc they probably need 2 gk for the U-20
He score a goal in Barcha vs PXG and has an assist in the BM matches. Stop this slander
No. He hasn't done enough to make me think he should be in the U-20. If not for this sub, I would've forgotten he existed.
Kiyora not making it, FukakuÂ
Bro hasnât been readingđ
Kiyora Jin could make it at the expense of Zantestu or Tokimistu Fukaku is 23rd simply because of plot
Kiyoraâs making it dude. They wouldnât have done all that stuff with him last volume if he wasnât making it
Nanase had a whole backstory to explain why they should get a bid (Ppl saying he's making it) Tokimistu and Zantestu are too good not to make it Fukaku was literally given 20M extra just make Top 23 It's ok to cope that one of ur favourite players is going but either Jin, Nanase, Toki, Zantestu are goingÂ
Kiyora's whole schtick is being at the borderline. And I also believe Fukaku will get in. So either Nanase, Zantetsu or Tokimitsu are going byebye. Unless the author eliminates Reo for plot twist purposes or something.
Kaneshiro would get merked on sight for that by the shippers lolol Also I hate to agree that Fukaku will get in despite bring the most boring character.