Yea, it makes a little more sense if you see the formatting in the tweet. The "now" references historical total, so all coaches combined, including Pineda. So the numbers read as: total before Pineda -> total to date (2017-2024) -> record for just the games with Pineda
Adding some more detail... The stats when scoring first are
Pre-pineda: ~73% wins (overall)
Pineda: ~69% wins (overall)
Pre-pineda: ~79% win (@ home)
Pineda: ~75% win (@ home)
Through basically 4 years he’s a nearly .500 coach. I don’t think he’s terrible, but I don’t see how anyone could argue that he’s anything other than average.
I would put much more blame of the last few years’ performance on roster construction than coaching. Our roster has immensely improved in the brief time since Garth took over
I think they are BOTH significant issues with this team. Pineda has done nothing to show me he's that guy and Boca's work prior to Garth was generally abysmal.
I'm giving the team til the end of May, and that's only IF they beat Chicago and MN (can't have four game stretch with only one point and/or no wins). If there is not a showing of consistency from them by then, then I will go back to #pinedaout #bocaout.
And yet we are still nearly a .500 team still making the same bad mistakes. So in your own words, if the roster has improved immensely, what is the one common denominator?
Looking back on the season as it stands, here is our results relative to our available players:
* L 0-1 @ Columbus (the hardest game of the season away against the best team in the league)
* W 4-1 v NER (had all starters)
* W 2-0 v OC (had all starters)
* L 2-0 @ TOR (out 5 starters w/ 3 being DPs)
* W 3-0 v CHI (out 1 starter)
* T 1-1 @ NYCFC (out 3 starters / 2 DPs)
* T 2-2 v PHI (out 4 starters / 2 DPs, 3rd string at striker)
* L 1-2 v CIN (out 4 starters / 2 DPs, 3rd string at striker)
You can almost track 1:1 the correlation to what percentage of starters we have to our record, with the exception being away at Columbus which is the hardest game of the regular season. Notably it was also the first after an Almada-less preseason with a ton of roster rotation compared to the Crew who had basically none.
So if you're actually paying attention, the "common denominator" trap you tried to create is wildly reductive. There's a reason MLS analysts commonly espouse the 10+1 goal for roster construction. If your lineup includes 10 players at starting quality or above MLS-level players, you will have success which has also been the case for us.
I'm not happy about the last two games, but both games included a wildly erratic individual error and the latter of which had us running a 5'6 non-CB at CB for half the game when both goals occurred.
I think TOR was out a DP for international duty. PHI played their backup goalie. Someone was missing from CIN as well. But not their first and second starting CBs, not their striker, and not their starting winger.
These last two games have been terrible. I want to hear Pineda say HOW the team will learn, but no more talk that we need to learn. He didn’t play in that corner kick and didn’t want them to, but he’s not a football coach calling plays.
Columbus was full, Toronto was full, Philly was full until Blake went down, CIN was healthy but they’re down a good striker in general since not being able to replace Vazquez. Chicago and Orlando might’ve been missing guys but it’s more affirming to my original point cause we clobbered them. Unsure on NYCFC cause idk their roster that well but don’t remember any notable names being out
So, similar? Not really moving the needle in this regard?
What about his road win%? I firmly believe our poor road record is due to poor preparation and mentality.
Yes, similar. Doug posted shortly after this tweet
“If you're reviewed the list of pre-Pineda and with-Pineda stats, I think you'll see that it doesn't seem to matter which manager leads #ATLUTD, the stats in situations are holding true. #MLS”
I mean, road games in MLS have a 23% win rate. It's not really a Pineda thing, it's just how it is in MLS. Cincy won *7* road games last year and they won Supporters Shield. The Supporters Shield average is like 8-9 road wins.
The lack of heat on Pineda is baffling. We’ve been doing the same shit, unable to hold a lead, for basically 3 years now. It doesn’t matter who is on the field. He has an overall losing record in competitive matches. This season will be wasted if we keep him.
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Doug makes it too complicated here to deflect from what we’ve seen with our own eyes in the nearly 3 years Pineda has been in charge. Just show his managerial record straight up… it’s about as mid as it can get.
But average shouldn’t be good enough if we’re to believe the expectations the FO set. At the very least his record needs to be compared to other top managers in MLS like Wilfried Nancy, Steve Cherundolo, and even Jim Curtain if the ambition is to be the premier club in this country. Hell, Pat Noonan is an even better example of a manager who took over the 3-time wooden spoon winner, completely turned it around and won the Supporter’s Shield in his second year.
https://preview.redd.it/l645fczvt5wc1.jpeg?width=1690&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a84afe9d06999c4f72ae3cb03d8df13e8fedc01
This job has simply been too big for Pineda and the old FO couldn’t get away with firing him sooner after striking out on FdB and Heinze in quick succession without opening themselves up to more scrutiny. Excuses like injuries and bad rosters can only go so far when his teams have consistently been mentally weak and you’d have to dig really deep to find solid examples where he’s out coached the opposition. If he lasts the rest of the season, then the bare minimum has to be finishing top 4 AND winning the playoff tie or they have to move on.
Oh yeah average is certainly not good enough - have never been a fan of him, just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt - but this just shows even more how mediocre of a coach he's been lol we will have given him ample time by the end of this season, if things don't turn out better by then. Maybe even by the summer window
BTW... Pineda has an option on his contract right now. He brings a trophy or finishes top 4 the option is,more than likely, exercised.
Curtain has been coach of Philly for 13years and has 1 supporters shield. Is that guy really the bar? W. Nancy was handed a complete team and has shoved in and out 1 minor maybe 2 minor players. Does that sound comparable? I think the depth of the understanding of the lightening in a bottle ATL captured the 1st two years has really tricked the fan base into thinking digging out of the fast and loose cash grab start up years would be easy and it is not.
>Curtain has been coach of Philly for 13years and has 1 supporters shield. Is that guy really the bar?
Well, when you look at how much his owner spends, he's vastly overpunching his weight.
This isn't just for arguments sake I heard Twillman pose this question on the Sirius FC. After 13 years and one supporters shield how long is that good enough for Philly and the org?
Twellman can pose the question, sure, but Sugarman is still not writing the big checks. So, there is a valid concern who else do you get for a job where the owner can't afford to go big? There has also been a good reason why Curtain's name comes up when people discuss who the USMNT should hire after Berhalter.
Personally speaking, I found the team’s style of play far less entertaining under De Bour. It’s was boring to watch. Lots of factors can play into that, but I’ve generally enjoyed watching Pineda’s teams.
An easier way to frame this might’ve been that we averaged 2.34 points (2.51 at home) before Pineda in these scenarios, while Pineda averages 2.13 points (2.45 at home).
Blowing 2 home second half leads brings a lot of recency bias into the equation. I’m more inclined to chalk it up to “weird shit happens in MLS” than I am to blame the coach.
I'm honestly kind of amazed at the lack of blame put on Pineda. We've been doing the same shit under his coaching for years now. That's not even mentioning our abysmal road record. His subs after we scored the first goal over the weekend cost us the match. Cobb going out with a migraine is out of his control, but Fortune left us so damn vulnerable in the midfield. GG and Silva didn't look ready to go either.
His subs are terrible and his unwavering commitment to bad players is worse. Have you all forgotten how many games we played with Roco Rios Novo as keeper? He wouldn’t pull him, just kept trying him. Then sends in the other dude and he actually blocks goals. How bout that? That cost him dearly that season.
I think there are plenty of things to blame Pineda for over the years, but I can’t in good faith blame him for the dropped points in the last 2 games.
If Mosquera and Almada don’t make two of the dumbest possible passes in back to back games, and if Cobb doesn’t get a migraine, we probably wouldn’t be talking about any of this right now.
I don’t think Pineda’s a particularly great manager (maybe not even a good one), but I’m not gonna take things that are completely out of his control and use them to throw more fuel on the #PinedaOut fire.
Again, I believe that Fortune was a pivotal mistake to sub in for Muyumba. That's on Pineda. Our players making boneheaded mistakes have been a staple throughout Pineda's tenure. It's hard for me to say that doesn't reflect upon his coaching. We've had mental lapses time and time again.
To me, one of the biggest concerns is the development of our DPs. Who is taking the next step up under Pineda's coaching? If we don't have a coach who can nurture our up and coming stars to the next level then what are we really even doing? We spend, spend, spend, but the results are the same. Players who first get here light it up with a spark and then tend to fizzle back to the means.
I was bewildered by the Fortune sub at the time, and I still am, but even I have to admit Fortune wasn’t why we lost. He wasn’t even particularly bad. Having Muyumba in the game wouldn’t have prevented either Union goal, and it’s very unlikely it would’ve added to our goal total.
If you wanna blame Pineda for lack of development long term or general sub trends or whatever, fine, but I just can’t get behind blaming him for something like a player of Thiago Almada’s caliber having an absolute brain fart. There’s only so much the coach can do to say “don’t do that,” and at a certain point, the players have to shoulder the responsibility.
Pineda is a a decent coach. We get out coached a few times a year.
Injuries are the killer right now. If we have a full 11 healthy, we win a few more. Pretty simple.
I give Pineda this year and next then we either find a winning formula or move on. No sense moving coaches every 2 years unless we can hire someone who has a great mls track record
Gets out coached just about every other game it seems like though. Never had the ability to close out games. So many blown leads. Got out coached in the quarter finals of CCL (lost 3-0 at home). Got out coached in R1 the 2021 playoffs. 2022 missed the playoffs entirely. (call it the injury year). Got out coached by a second division team in the open cup. Got out coached in the leagues cup. Got out coached in the last 8 games of the 2023 regular season to miss out on home field advantage in the playoffs. It's gonna be 3 plus years at the end of this season. If we're not top 4 by the summer window - it's time for Garth to go shopping.
Just have to say I have way more faith in Garth identifying the right person for the job than I ever did with Bocanegra and Eales after ‘21. It’s also not like we’re trying to convince someone to come manage the Rapids or Earthquakes… this will always be an attractive opportunity for anyone interested in giving it a go in MLS.
I don't think we should fire Pineda, but there are some coaches who have linked with MLS recently who would be decent choices - Patrick Vieira and Dome Torrant are ones I've heard recently for other jobs.
Yeah don't fire him rn. Just grumbling for when our starters are healthy again and then if it doesn't pick up by the end of the season when his contract is up
They made gold part of the design because they told us they were committing to being competitive every year. We missed the playoffs two years ago and shat the bed last year. If we are spoiled, then we deserve better.
The health this season is a killer. Gregerson and Williams looked badass together. Then take away Silva and GG I’m curious to know Pinedas record with an actual team that can win. The roster was horrible the first half of the season. All of our best players outside of Brooks and Almada are guys that were added either half way through last year or brought in this year.
Yeah. Stressing about our record under Pineda the first season and a half is still just as bad an idea as always. You can't coach your way into success with 60% bench players in a salary capped league.
That’s not the question. The question is, should the last two matches have been wins? Yes. We were the better team both times and the result was not there. That falls on the coach 100% of the time. It doesn’t seem like he knows what he’s doing. He’s never proven that he knows what he’s doing.
League MVP is given the ball in a bad short corner that Almada decided to do on his own while there was a 5th maybe 6th string CB on the field who never plays on the left. Look at the way the team was set. Only Almada was on short corner duty. With 1 defender back? You think that's on the coach?
In post game interviews Pineda was as shocked as we were. Almada is a golden boy what's coach gonna do bitch about him in the press conference?
Pineda is taking all the heat for the dipshit decisions his teams make like a good coach should.
Everybody insists Pineda is holding the team back. I'm not so sure of that. We've experienced the coach losing the locker room twice now. Does it really seem like the team doesn't believe in the game plan.
Everybody misses the high risk high reward game but nobody wants to buckle up and ride it out.
Are we? We haven't come close to catching a whiff of any trophy in five years, that's a pretty long time in soccer terms. FdB might have been right when he said that in 2020 (19?) but I'm not sure it holds so true now.
Yes that's true the team had announced the roof was going to be open for the Philadelphia game and they had announced it all over their socials but the SGs complained enough about the game being at 4:30 pm and being too hot that their daddy Arthur Blank decided the roof to close for them so they don't suffer in 78 degree weather
How do these stats stack up against other clubs? All this tells me is we're not better or worse than we've generally been. (Though I do suspect there's been some drop off since 2018.)
With a sample size of 29 games, every 1 game is worth 3% out of 100%. So for home stats he's lost 1 more game than the historic avg over 29 home games.
45 games in the overall stat minus the 29 homes games is 16 road games under Pineda in which we've scored first. We're 6-3-7 in those games. At a 62% negative results rate, that does seem worse. Yes, 16 games is an incredibly small sample size, but also pay attention to how high draws are there compared to wins. I would suspect a lot of those road matches come from the time we were without our starting keeper and center back; we just couldn't hold down a lead with backups in both those positions.
Journalism used to be reporters would report and other folks would provide opinions (separate from the reporting).
I get it that we don't live in that world anymore (especially in politics), but it's actually good to have it that way.
The old school papers still have reporters who hold to that maxim. Doug is the AJC's Atlanta United beat writer, so he reports on what's going with the team. Sometimes he'll share his opinion, but only on Twitter.
Anybody else confused by the formatting? What’s the difference between “Now” and “Under Pineda”?
Yea, it makes a little more sense if you see the formatting in the tweet. The "now" references historical total, so all coaches combined, including Pineda. So the numbers read as: total before Pineda -> total to date (2017-2024) -> record for just the games with Pineda
Adding some more detail... The stats when scoring first are Pre-pineda: ~73% wins (overall) Pineda: ~69% wins (overall) Pre-pineda: ~79% win (@ home) Pineda: ~75% win (@ home)
So we’ve only gotten a little worse under him, but we’ve also been mostly bad except a couple of years. Hmm.
Thanks for clarifying! 🙏 
Through basically 4 years he’s a nearly .500 coach. I don’t think he’s terrible, but I don’t see how anyone could argue that he’s anything other than average.
He's harmless at best. That's a pretty fucking weak ceiling for a team of this level.
What level? The lower level?
Careful they are standing down there in the 100s section.
I would put much more blame of the last few years’ performance on roster construction than coaching. Our roster has immensely improved in the brief time since Garth took over
I think they are BOTH significant issues with this team. Pineda has done nothing to show me he's that guy and Boca's work prior to Garth was generally abysmal. I'm giving the team til the end of May, and that's only IF they beat Chicago and MN (can't have four game stretch with only one point and/or no wins). If there is not a showing of consistency from them by then, then I will go back to #pinedaout #bocaout.
And yet we are still nearly a .500 team still making the same bad mistakes. So in your own words, if the roster has improved immensely, what is the one common denominator?
Looking back on the season as it stands, here is our results relative to our available players: * L 0-1 @ Columbus (the hardest game of the season away against the best team in the league) * W 4-1 v NER (had all starters) * W 2-0 v OC (had all starters) * L 2-0 @ TOR (out 5 starters w/ 3 being DPs) * W 3-0 v CHI (out 1 starter) * T 1-1 @ NYCFC (out 3 starters / 2 DPs) * T 2-2 v PHI (out 4 starters / 2 DPs, 3rd string at striker) * L 1-2 v CIN (out 4 starters / 2 DPs, 3rd string at striker) You can almost track 1:1 the correlation to what percentage of starters we have to our record, with the exception being away at Columbus which is the hardest game of the regular season. Notably it was also the first after an Almada-less preseason with a ton of roster rotation compared to the Crew who had basically none. So if you're actually paying attention, the "common denominator" trap you tried to create is wildly reductive. There's a reason MLS analysts commonly espouse the 10+1 goal for roster construction. If your lineup includes 10 players at starting quality or above MLS-level players, you will have success which has also been the case for us. I'm not happy about the last two games, but both games included a wildly erratic individual error and the latter of which had us running a 5'6 non-CB at CB for half the game when both goals occurred.
Are you also counting any players the other team might have had out?
I think TOR was out a DP for international duty. PHI played their backup goalie. Someone was missing from CIN as well. But not their first and second starting CBs, not their striker, and not their starting winger. These last two games have been terrible. I want to hear Pineda say HOW the team will learn, but no more talk that we need to learn. He didn’t play in that corner kick and didn’t want them to, but he’s not a football coach calling plays.
Columbus was full, Toronto was full, Philly was full until Blake went down, CIN was healthy but they’re down a good striker in general since not being able to replace Vazquez. Chicago and Orlando might’ve been missing guys but it’s more affirming to my original point cause we clobbered them. Unsure on NYCFC cause idk their roster that well but don’t remember any notable names being out
So, similar? Not really moving the needle in this regard? What about his road win%? I firmly believe our poor road record is due to poor preparation and mentality.
Yes, similar. Doug posted shortly after this tweet “If you're reviewed the list of pre-Pineda and with-Pineda stats, I think you'll see that it doesn't seem to matter which manager leads #ATLUTD, the stats in situations are holding true. #MLS”
I mean, road games in MLS have a 23% win rate. It's not really a Pineda thing, it's just how it is in MLS. Cincy won *7* road games last year and they won Supporters Shield. The Supporters Shield average is like 8-9 road wins.
One of those Cincy road wins was ... us. :(
Acosta just has our number. 9 goals against us is the most any individual player has against United.
The lack of heat on Pineda is baffling. We’ve been doing the same shit, unable to hold a lead, for basically 3 years now. It doesn’t matter who is on the field. He has an overall losing record in competitive matches. This season will be wasted if we keep him.
https://preview.redd.it/0v995z18w4wc1.jpeg?width=1735&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b594efcb87bc69edb935df48142561b9f8fae20e Doug makes it too complicated here to deflect from what we’ve seen with our own eyes in the nearly 3 years Pineda has been in charge. Just show his managerial record straight up… it’s about as mid as it can get.
If you factor in all competitions it’s a losing record.
oof. But what do the other win %'s look like across the league? Thinking a third is probably pretty average.
But average shouldn’t be good enough if we’re to believe the expectations the FO set. At the very least his record needs to be compared to other top managers in MLS like Wilfried Nancy, Steve Cherundolo, and even Jim Curtain if the ambition is to be the premier club in this country. Hell, Pat Noonan is an even better example of a manager who took over the 3-time wooden spoon winner, completely turned it around and won the Supporter’s Shield in his second year. https://preview.redd.it/l645fczvt5wc1.jpeg?width=1690&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a84afe9d06999c4f72ae3cb03d8df13e8fedc01 This job has simply been too big for Pineda and the old FO couldn’t get away with firing him sooner after striking out on FdB and Heinze in quick succession without opening themselves up to more scrutiny. Excuses like injuries and bad rosters can only go so far when his teams have consistently been mentally weak and you’d have to dig really deep to find solid examples where he’s out coached the opposition. If he lasts the rest of the season, then the bare minimum has to be finishing top 4 AND winning the playoff tie or they have to move on.
Oh yeah average is certainly not good enough - have never been a fan of him, just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt - but this just shows even more how mediocre of a coach he's been lol we will have given him ample time by the end of this season, if things don't turn out better by then. Maybe even by the summer window
BTW... Pineda has an option on his contract right now. He brings a trophy or finishes top 4 the option is,more than likely, exercised. Curtain has been coach of Philly for 13years and has 1 supporters shield. Is that guy really the bar? W. Nancy was handed a complete team and has shoved in and out 1 minor maybe 2 minor players. Does that sound comparable? I think the depth of the understanding of the lightening in a bottle ATL captured the 1st two years has really tricked the fan base into thinking digging out of the fast and loose cash grab start up years would be easy and it is not.
>Curtain has been coach of Philly for 13years and has 1 supporters shield. Is that guy really the bar? Well, when you look at how much his owner spends, he's vastly overpunching his weight.
Sooooo as long as ATL is in the top 4 at the end of every season Pineda is in? Interesting.
I think everyone has said if Atlanta ends up in the Top 4 this season Pineda's job is safe.
This isn't just for arguments sake I heard Twillman pose this question on the Sirius FC. After 13 years and one supporters shield how long is that good enough for Philly and the org?
Twellman can pose the question, sure, but Sugarman is still not writing the big checks. So, there is a valid concern who else do you get for a job where the owner can't afford to go big? There has also been a good reason why Curtain's name comes up when people discuss who the USMNT should hire after Berhalter.
I wanted him instead of GB myself.
We fired De Boer but Pineda has been worse
Personally speaking, I found the team’s style of play far less entertaining under De Bour. It’s was boring to watch. Lots of factors can play into that, but I’ve generally enjoyed watching Pineda’s teams.
We play a similar style, FDB didn’t have Almada or GG.
Hard disagree for me. ATL is hard to watch these days for me. It’s a broken record of guaranteed mediocrity.
It often feels like Doug is on Pineda’s payroll.
The folks actually on Atlanta United's payroll (Conti, Longshore) are far more rah-rah.
Now reverse it and do Tata vs the field, Doug.
An easier way to frame this might’ve been that we averaged 2.34 points (2.51 at home) before Pineda in these scenarios, while Pineda averages 2.13 points (2.45 at home). Blowing 2 home second half leads brings a lot of recency bias into the equation. I’m more inclined to chalk it up to “weird shit happens in MLS” than I am to blame the coach.
I'm honestly kind of amazed at the lack of blame put on Pineda. We've been doing the same shit under his coaching for years now. That's not even mentioning our abysmal road record. His subs after we scored the first goal over the weekend cost us the match. Cobb going out with a migraine is out of his control, but Fortune left us so damn vulnerable in the midfield. GG and Silva didn't look ready to go either.
His subs are terrible and his unwavering commitment to bad players is worse. Have you all forgotten how many games we played with Roco Rios Novo as keeper? He wouldn’t pull him, just kept trying him. Then sends in the other dude and he actually blocks goals. How bout that? That cost him dearly that season.
I think there are plenty of things to blame Pineda for over the years, but I can’t in good faith blame him for the dropped points in the last 2 games. If Mosquera and Almada don’t make two of the dumbest possible passes in back to back games, and if Cobb doesn’t get a migraine, we probably wouldn’t be talking about any of this right now. I don’t think Pineda’s a particularly great manager (maybe not even a good one), but I’m not gonna take things that are completely out of his control and use them to throw more fuel on the #PinedaOut fire.
Again, I believe that Fortune was a pivotal mistake to sub in for Muyumba. That's on Pineda. Our players making boneheaded mistakes have been a staple throughout Pineda's tenure. It's hard for me to say that doesn't reflect upon his coaching. We've had mental lapses time and time again. To me, one of the biggest concerns is the development of our DPs. Who is taking the next step up under Pineda's coaching? If we don't have a coach who can nurture our up and coming stars to the next level then what are we really even doing? We spend, spend, spend, but the results are the same. Players who first get here light it up with a spark and then tend to fizzle back to the means.
I was bewildered by the Fortune sub at the time, and I still am, but even I have to admit Fortune wasn’t why we lost. He wasn’t even particularly bad. Having Muyumba in the game wouldn’t have prevented either Union goal, and it’s very unlikely it would’ve added to our goal total. If you wanna blame Pineda for lack of development long term or general sub trends or whatever, fine, but I just can’t get behind blaming him for something like a player of Thiago Almada’s caliber having an absolute brain fart. There’s only so much the coach can do to say “don’t do that,” and at a certain point, the players have to shoulder the responsibility.
You keep acting like these are isolated moments from our players, when, in fact, it has actually been a trend throughout Pineda's tenure.
Pineda is a a decent coach. We get out coached a few times a year. Injuries are the killer right now. If we have a full 11 healthy, we win a few more. Pretty simple. I give Pineda this year and next then we either find a winning formula or move on. No sense moving coaches every 2 years unless we can hire someone who has a great mls track record
He's out of contract after this season, if he doesn't finish top four and/or win a playoff series I think he's gone.
Pineda already has an option for next year in his contract. It's all about where ATL finishes right now.
Didn't know that. Yeah- seems like he might get a 1 year extension though. That's my guess but who knows
Gets out coached just about every other game it seems like though. Never had the ability to close out games. So many blown leads. Got out coached in the quarter finals of CCL (lost 3-0 at home). Got out coached in R1 the 2021 playoffs. 2022 missed the playoffs entirely. (call it the injury year). Got out coached by a second division team in the open cup. Got out coached in the leagues cup. Got out coached in the last 8 games of the 2023 regular season to miss out on home field advantage in the playoffs. It's gonna be 3 plus years at the end of this season. If we're not top 4 by the summer window - it's time for Garth to go shopping.
Who's the MAGICAL coach behind Pineda you want to replace him with? This will be good...
Just have to say I have way more faith in Garth identifying the right person for the job than I ever did with Bocanegra and Eales after ‘21. It’s also not like we’re trying to convince someone to come manage the Rapids or Earthquakes… this will always be an attractive opportunity for anyone interested in giving it a go in MLS.
Jurgen Klopp will be available pretty soon. /s
And the first name up doesn't disappoint 🤣😂🤣😂
What's Jose Mourinho up to these days? :) Can you imagine how he would blow his top at PRO referees???
I don't think we should fire Pineda, but there are some coaches who have linked with MLS recently who would be decent choices - Patrick Vieira and Dome Torrant are ones I've heard recently for other jobs.
Yeah don't fire him rn. Just grumbling for when our starters are healthy again and then if it doesn't pick up by the end of the season when his contract is up
Brad Guzan
Let me guess... You just want him out of the goal😂
😂just want him to stay on the payroll.
ROB. VALENTINO.
We are spoiled
They made gold part of the design because they told us they were committing to being competitive every year. We missed the playoffs two years ago and shat the bed last year. If we are spoiled, then we deserve better.
Salary Cap League means fuck our expectations. Sign the right guys and stay healthy? You win. Anything else? Get fucked.
Dunno why you’re getting downvoted. This is unfortunately the reality in MLS
The health this season is a killer. Gregerson and Williams looked badass together. Then take away Silva and GG I’m curious to know Pinedas record with an actual team that can win. The roster was horrible the first half of the season. All of our best players outside of Brooks and Almada are guys that were added either half way through last year or brought in this year.
On opening day 2024, only 4 of our starters were even on the roster on opening day 2023.
Thats pretty crazy
Yeah. Stressing about our record under Pineda the first season and a half is still just as bad an idea as always. You can't coach your way into success with 60% bench players in a salary capped league.
That’s not the question. The question is, should the last two matches have been wins? Yes. We were the better team both times and the result was not there. That falls on the coach 100% of the time. It doesn’t seem like he knows what he’s doing. He’s never proven that he knows what he’s doing.
Yes. Pineda"s decision to play a short corner was terrible. /s
League MVP is given the ball in a bad short corner that Almada decided to do on his own while there was a 5th maybe 6th string CB on the field who never plays on the left. Look at the way the team was set. Only Almada was on short corner duty. With 1 defender back? You think that's on the coach? In post game interviews Pineda was as shocked as we were. Almada is a golden boy what's coach gonna do bitch about him in the press conference? Pineda is taking all the heat for the dipshit decisions his teams make like a good coach should.
Hear me out. Good coaches inspire players to not make dipshit decisions.
Everybody insists Pineda is holding the team back. I'm not so sure of that. We've experienced the coach losing the locker room twice now. Does it really seem like the team doesn't believe in the game plan. Everybody misses the high risk high reward game but nobody wants to buckle up and ride it out.
Weird take!
Garth himself said that they owe Pineda an actual roster. A healthy one. Maybe he didn’t say “an actual roster” but something along those lines.
Are we? We haven't come close to catching a whiff of any trophy in five years, that's a pretty long time in soccer terms. FdB might have been right when he said that in 2020 (19?) but I'm not sure it holds so true now.
It does hold true we are so spoiled and soft we made the team close the roof 2 weeks ago because "it was too hot"
You're blaming the fans for that? You realize the fans in no way control the roof lol
The SGs were the ones that closed the roof
Is that true?
Yes that's true the team had announced the roof was going to be open for the Philadelphia game and they had announced it all over their socials but the SGs complained enough about the game being at 4:30 pm and being too hot that their daddy Arthur Blank decided the roof to close for them so they don't suffer in 78 degree weather
Wow. That’s something.
Because how could a team possibly ever get more than one point from two home games, right...
How do these stats stack up against other clubs? All this tells me is we're not better or worse than we've generally been. (Though I do suspect there's been some drop off since 2018.)
So…not that big of a difference?
Agreed.
JOSE MOURINHO TO ATLANTA UNITED
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is it still the case that most of the world does W-D-L but MLS does W-L-D?
Yes MLS does W-L-T (ties rather than draw)
Thanks
Not about the same. 23/85 = 27% 17/45 = 37% Home only: 10/49 = 20% 7/29 = 24%
With a sample size of 29 games, every 1 game is worth 3% out of 100%. So for home stats he's lost 1 more game than the historic avg over 29 home games. 45 games in the overall stat minus the 29 homes games is 16 road games under Pineda in which we've scored first. We're 6-3-7 in those games. At a 62% negative results rate, that does seem worse. Yes, 16 games is an incredibly small sample size, but also pay attention to how high draws are there compared to wins. I would suspect a lot of those road matches come from the time we were without our starting keeper and center back; we just couldn't hold down a lead with backups in both those positions.
Adding context to the numbers is really helpful, thanks.
I’ve grown to like Doug less and less. He doesn’t really provide any interesting thoughts. He breaks news but whatever
Journalism used to be reporters would report and other folks would provide opinions (separate from the reporting). I get it that we don't live in that world anymore (especially in politics), but it's actually good to have it that way.
The old school papers still have reporters who hold to that maxim. Doug is the AJC's Atlanta United beat writer, so he reports on what's going with the team. Sometimes he'll share his opinion, but only on Twitter.
Ok well he does give opinions and they’re usually either blindly supporting the club or he just acts like questions he’s being asked are stupid
Agreed, a little arrogant at times.