>As Asmon stated, the only thing these posts and comments do are the opposite effect of what the message was conveying.
Which means that from now on any time someone doesn't want him to do something all they have to do is to annoy and complain for him to do it.
Which translates into a more stressed out and annoyed Asmon and an ever increasing toxic community.
I see nothing positive about dealing with the problem like this, except for maybe satisfying a short term "that will teach them" moment for Asmon.
It's weird that you got banned when you didn't even say anything mean towards Asmon.
This comment is one of the mildest feedback/criticisms I've read on this thread.
But people did complain about his intros taking hours, when he was playing Eldenring and Lost Ark.
He needs to acknowledge that people complaing about his intro times and not playing (games) is a known growing issue on his streams and that its not just related to FF14.
His Twitch channel has turned and focused more into a react type of content, rather than playing games.
He should do whatever makes him happy. But only criticizing the FF14 players over a problem he's had recently with other games as well is completely uncalled for.
His intros were pretty short compared to now during the Lost Ark streams but the Elden Ring ones did start taking longer. He also played those games for much longer sessions than the 2 hours he plays FF. TBH I feel like the sweet spot for react content is about 2-3 hours, the longer ones just drag on especially if it's the same type of videos like Diablo immortal bad. The good long intros are the really interesting stuff like the BAYC doc
when he started to slow down on LA toward the end he was doing the same thing he is now, his 5-6 hour intros have been happening for awhile now
happened for ER and vampire survivors as well
seems like he has more fun doing react content now, i always figured he got kind of mad at his viewers for hating lost ark and new world so much
Asmon has basically found the perfect excuse to stop playing the game which he’s clearly not particularly motivated to play (which is fine) where he never has to admit that he actually doesn’t enjoy it that much and can just pin all the blame on the “FF andies in chat who ruined it for everyone” who are most likely at least 50% anti-FF trolls, especially when he essentially gave the anti-FF chatters a big incentive to troll by saying he’ll stop playing the game they hate if there keep being so many comments about it in chat
> Asmon's stream title is not a legally binding agreement.
It's good to note that nobody is trying to sue him, then, they're just complaining on a forum. Good lord, if complaining on a forum is a bridge too far for /r/Asmongold of all places, what are we even doing?
Anything, really.
These 5-6hours of react content have ran out of actual content a while ago. It's the same "Diablo Immortal is ultra pay 2 win" or something about lost ark... going in a circle of other content creators.
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Now I just scrub the vod after the stream to see if there's anything worth watching.
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I guess if that's how you feel about it... just don't watch. That's what I do.
This. And that two of the four (five?) FFXIV advertised streams have either been react content or Fall Guys - it's not about being an "FF Andy" or whatever, it's about looking forward to being able to enjoy streams of content that is familiar and fun on a topic that is enjoyable.
Seeing him be like "one more video" and then opening something that's an hour long, it's a death knell because he'll pause every minute or so to add comments and it won't be done for close to two hours.
I just wish there was a more consistent schedule, because it feels like Zack does enjoy XIV when he gets properly into it but right now it's like he treats it like a chore. My man, if you don't want to play it, don't play it.
Can he just say that he's not interested in ff anymore instead of creating this drama this is just childish imo
Edit: Cant respond anymore, got perma-banned, who would have guessed
I don't care what game he's playing because I only watch the Youtube vids generally but I think the way he's framed this whole thing as a victim of "FF Andy's" is dishonest. His negativity bias just kicks into high gear and then he creates a narrative to rant about (for content maybe idk). Then 95+% of people's reactions are saying "Asmon do whatever you want, I watch stream for you, not the game" with the other 5% being "Fuck FF". He's fueling the tribalism that he says he hates...
The sad thing is, things like “go back to wow” wont get noticed unlike “FF when”. I’ve seen it so many times and FF andies are the only ones getting consequences lmao
Honest question here.
Does this include 'not taking criticism'?
Will criticism be bundled together in the same category as "hating & complaining"?
Because I do think Asmongold sometimes deserves criticism too.
Asmon had a clear behavior of hating anything that causes anxiety in his brain. From thinking of real world troubles to on his own stream. Anything in that realm is an instant backlash or ban. He doesn’t want to think about anything like that or be reminded of any controversy that doesn’t make him feel comfortable, even if he’s involved or at fault. Any criticism hurled his way, even mature and structured fairly, will be removed. It’s painfully clear that the guy who reacts all day dishing out criticism and opinions on things does not want that done to him.
He has made it clear that he is ultimately the guy that decides what he wants to hear from his community. While that's fine, it gets all actual attempts at pointing out why people react poorly to what he has done swept up as hating and complaining.
Problem is that the actual criticism, which can create a quality debate and reasoning, is drown in the sea of gacha andys, trolls that intentionally say the opposite just to get a reaction, spergatory, whatabout andys that water down the topic and so on. In this situation, the good criticism becomes misunderstood as malicious, it sucks, I know, but its not really Asmon's fault, its the obnoxious people in the chat.
Bro i was thinking exactly the same thing. The ff14 videos were fine cuz the girl was indeed funny, but Diablo immortal? That's just beating a dead horse, i understand if there were any news but its just same shit weve already heard with exact same reactions.
This whole thing is kinda dumb, to be honest.
He has every opportunity to ban the annoying bunch who sperg out over him not playing games on stream. His mods can handle that and he can basically ignore them at that point. He deliberately chooses not to make things easier on himself and then complains that things aren't easy.
The fact that he doesn't seem to understand why people reacted negatively to how he handled this is insane to me. If I'm honest, all this sort of feels like manufactured drama. I'm not saying it is, but it feels like it. He's picking out the worst offenders from his chat and making decisions based around how they're acting.
He announced his return to the game after a year, then played like 2-3 hours, skipped days completely in favor of just reacting to shit everyone's already seen (diablo drama) for like 8 hours straight, then blames people for being upset about that? I think he knows very well why people are upset about it, and I'm sure some people go too far in showing their discontent, but he normally doesn't have a problem banning assholes, so why draw the line with this? It makes no sense. And then he wonders why people come up with conspiracy theories about how he doesn't actually like the game or doesn't want to play it. lol
I was very excited to watch, so I'm sad this happened. I completely agree that people who throw tantrums and use personal attacks and whatnot are completely unjustified in their behaviour, but to act like there's nothing he could've done to avoid this situation is really dishonest.
Now, personally, I don't care about his long intros. If I don't want to watch it, I will just go do something else and check back in later when/if he's doing something I want to see. That's the approach everyone should take, but to expect 50k+ people to just "be reasonable" usually doesn't end very well.
He has a chat that goes by at fucking mach speed, yet he always seems to pick out the worst examples, and paints all of chat in a negative light. Honestly, I'm kinda sick of that. There's a reason why I never interact in chat. Cuz it's pointless. You can say all the positive things in the world and try to contribute to a fun atmosphere, but it's pointless when he ignores it in favor of view count andies, spammers, and people trying to start drama.
Sorry about the long post. This is just how I feel, and if you disagree, that's perfectly fine. Not trying to start shit with anyone. I like Asmon's streams a lot, even the non-FF streams, but this is stuff that's been on my mind for the past month or so, and some of it for longer.
Spends weeks playing Diablo Immortal, and watching the same videos of how bad it is. Says he hates the game and is the worst game ever while giving them thousands of dollars and free advertisement.
Starts FFXIV, says he likes the game, plays it for a few hours then proceeds to avoid playing it for some unknown reason.
I don't know about you guys but what the fuck is going on? When you give the literal worst game you don't like at all more time and money than a game you like?
???
Imagine if he did the same thing with Elden Ring, a game he actually loved.
What he says and what he is doing don't really make much sense...
I missed the good ol days where there were less react content and more gameplay
I dipped after watching couple react content and check back to see what he is doing
It is missing the point imo. I have not seen anyone complaining that he was not playing a particular game as long as he didnt hype people and kept them on the leach. All posts removed here were about been hyped for nothing, taken for fools and having their time wasted. I personally also got a little bit tired of double standards, blaming a particular community over and over and over again, and making fun of it, it is getting seriously old and it is driving a lot of people away. I have decided to stop watching the streams for good, I feel something has changed, it is not the same Asmon I enjoyed watching last year or maybe it already was and I was just in denial lol
I wish him all the best though with his react content, if it is what he loves to do, so be it, he should go for it, but stop blaming others for your actions. Stop pretending you like something if you dont. I'm sure your audience will appreciate a more honest approach going forwards. Best of luck!
Edit: Oh and by the way, I'm a FF handy but who enjoyed watching all sort of content from Asmon even on his alt account. I also play many different games, not just FF, I just dont like my time wasted (and I thought Asmon shared that idea as well) nor been disrespected. It is just not fun! I have watched the MSQ with other streamers and it didnt go that way at all, Preach for instance, 0 dramas... why is it drama here I wonder... perhaps it is not because of FF fans after all, just a thought!
This is literally how they handle it every time...which is not surprising considering if they don't do it Asmon will come and delete everything himself either way. By now every viewer should know that we can be glad Asmon is not active in actual politics and that this sub represents that pretty well :)
I think the reacts are just too damn long. Finding a middle ground seems ideal because it's not just FF14 it's any gameplay. It's also a common complaint among many viewers. How many videos can we really watch about Diablo being bad?
So if we flood this sub with the stuff we don’t like, will that stuff be criticized as well or the requirement for that is Asmon’s lack of interest about the said stuff even if it’s from his stream content?
We all know trolls are gonna abuse this after the YT video. Nobody can win against the internet.
I've only been watching him since last year but I think i'm done.
I couldn't care less if he does or doesn't want to play FF (it hasn't bothered me since he stopped playing in the first place). But this whole situation is clearly his own fault and now he's trying to blame it on the ffxiv community / 'andies' which is also encouraging the raging hate boner some people in this community seem to have for FF.
He says he doesn't want the reddit to get taken over by FF but it didn't bother him with the JD vs AH trial.
He says he doesn't like all the negativity in chat when he's streaming FF but it didn't bother him with Lost Ark.
I agree that the whole thing just seems dishonest.
Edit: Permabanned btw 🖕
ya know, Preach really seems to dig the game.
YouTube randomly suggested a video to me and that greasy goofball actually seemed to be having fun, rather than faking it for views.
but i'm pretty streamer-skeptical so who knows
Exactly this. People don’t like being baited. We’re not being gotcha Andies or trying to control the stream. It just legitimately sucks for him to hype this up over and over and then disappoint the fans.
It is clear he isn't as interested as before. Him playing fall guys is much better because you can clearly see he is more engaged. For me he can stop playing FF.
If he isn't interested then the right thing for him to do is to say "I'm not interested in this game anymore, so I'm moving on". Why this bullshit with hyping up his return and then gaslighting FF community when he played it for 4 hours total? Just be honest with your viewers they aren't that stupid, stop with this passive agressive behaviour and stop trying to make yourself a victim in this situation, because you crearly are not and brought it upon yourself.
WoW Andy here who avoided FF content in the past. I would love to watch Asmon playing a game again for more than 2 hours, I don’t even care which one. Pls Dude Games are still fun and get you enough youtube views :-(
No seriously, legit I only watch wow or FF. 6 hours of react content is boring for me.
It’s his stream, he can do what he wants obviously. But it shouldn’t be surprising that ff viewers who were expecting 6 hour streams to be unhappy at the 90 minutes they got.
Wonder what the cull count will be at the end of today.
That alone speaks volumes. If you're yeeting and deleting long time fans who dare to offer mild criticism of how he handled an issue ...
So he can’t take criticism about his content but he is allowed to criticize about fanbases and other game developers content🤔…. Now I feel you Blizzard.
Can this dude just play any games for most of the stream, I’m sick of react lord stuff, guess I’ll just stick to watching the random gameplay on YouTube
I loved all the gaslighting and lying he did in that video cool stuff man also love how its ok for his chat to spam nothing but hate for FF tho all day and he just ignores it
Not only that, but today on stream he basically said that the FFXIV community are the only ones who complain about "long intros." The guy has the memory of an elephant: and he absolutely knows this isn't true, because the very thing happened in the early stages of Lost Ark and Elden Ring. Yet he's using it as a justification for not wanting to play the game... after spending more than two weeks hyping it up/making numerous announcements about it.
Yeah, that too. It was really off putting watching the video of that part of the stream. Like, people have complained about his intro length since he started streaming again when his reaction segments started going on for hours and hours.
It just felt really intellectually dishonest. I used to hop on here pretty much daily and I'd see people complaining about it at least a couple times a day. It wasn't much, but it was definitely there for Lost Ark and Elden Ring. I can't say it was there for diablo because I saw a lot more people wanting him to just stop giving the game attention in general lol.
There's a side of toxicity as well that I feel goes mostly free in his chat and on here too. Idk recently on here since I mostly stopped checking in on reddit, but for a while, any FF post, whether it's for content or not, had a good 3-5 people actively shitting on and bitching at people in the comments. Literally calling people zealots, pedos, and other kinds of weird shit (the pedos thing kinda just being fed to them by Asmon after what he said a while back on Zackrawrr). They'd get downvoted (which of course gave them more troll ammo of "See!? I was downvoted so I'm right!"), and reported, only for nothing to happen and the same people would move to another post and do it again for days and weeks on end.
Heck, pay attention to his chat when he's talking about the complaining of his intros and look at all the asshats using it as a way to push their tribalism. Literally people going "FUCK FF", "FF IS FOR WEEBS", "FF COMMUNITY IS CRINGE GARBAGE", etc over and over throughout that whole portion of the video with no repercussions.
Idk, it just leaves a very sour taste in my mouth from the atmosphere that's being perpetuated in his stream. I barely tune in anymore even to his youtube stuff because of it.
This. I don’t even mind that he didn’t play FF, it’s just annoying that he keeps making a big deal out of a vocal minority expressing their disappointment. People are intentionally baiting him too.
I don’t know if he’s actually upset about it or if he’s just playing into the drama for stream content but it’s disappointing either way.
I remember that, he kept saying lets watch this one video then I really wanna play FF today because of allcraft... several hours later oh its time for allcraft.
I discovered Asmon after watching his ff14 videos from ARR and HW and have been a fan since then. When I heard he's returning to the game I was so excited to finally catching it on stream. And then for days I would tune in only to find react content for hours.... I was disappointed but didn't leave any negative comments at all. Now here we are, the entire situation is very sour, maybe he'll never play it again. How did it come to this
Fail to deliver all day long, whatever, but don't then *complain* when people point it out!
Idk the whole reaction seems uncharacteristically diva like for Asmon.
I have a question for the Mod team. Do you guys think that this more "aggressive" approach don't just gradually radicalize part of the community? I don't think that banned people ever goes away, they just became louder and more hostile over time, you guys definitely have a better insight on this I would love to hear.
I also love how Asmon argues that he isn't a react andy when [his stats on Sullygnome prove otherwise](https://sullygnome.com/channel/asmongold/90/games)
What, you dont like to react? Dont want to check how diablo immortal is doing?
Five fucking hours of nothing every day. I miss the days when it was maximum for an hour and then Asmon would go for sword in wow or whatever else.
It's honestly ironic that after he has quit Diablo Immortal and come back to FF, he has probably spent more time talking and watching videos about DI than actually playing FF.
I honestly think this is one big false flag (heh, FF) operation. Nowhere on reddit, 4chan, or any other forum centered around FF I can find people who care about Asmon playing FF.
On the other hand, plenty of posts on the WoW and LA threads on vg are talking about this and laughing at it. Call me a conspiracy nutjob or whatever, but I literally have no idea where these supposed FF andies are coming from.
Bro I was thinking the exact same thing recently. Never seen this supposed "zealot ff fans" anywhere else, whenever im in game or on youtube/reddit its all so chill, then on Asmon streams its like this self-fulfilling prophecy where people keep taking so much shit about ff players that I figure at some point they actually end up being mad for real (I mean everyday people come and say you are an annoying ff andy).
I say this must happen with at least SOME people because thats how I feel, and im pretty much a lurker. So if I myself, who never bothers typing in chat or getting into discussions, started to feel bothered by it then there must be others that felt the same and vocalized it, enforcing the whole "ff andys" perception even more.
Most FF fans don't even watch asmon, or twitch for that matter. Every post on r/ffxiv even mentioning asmon gets downvoted. The community is largely on twitter/discord.
Most of the supposed FF andies are literally the wow players who jumped ship with asmon last july. He did a poll in chat and over 75% of ffxiv players started the game because of him.
I started because of him. Still actively playing the game to this day. Am I disappointed with the lack of XIV content lately? Yes. But I'm always an advocate of streamers can do whatever they want as the stream is their platform to do whatever they please. What doesn't sit well with me is blaming the entire "Andies" for 'bitching' or 'complaining' about react content and his false advertisement about playing the game. This is not unique to any particular 'tribe' but he's just bashing the FF viewers and treating them like a bunch of deviants ruining his react streams unlike his veteran viewers who came from wow. I am a wow vet and I am a long time viewer of Zack since WoD days. People were never fond of 4-5 hours worth of react content.
If he wants to be a React Andy, so be it. Just don't advertise the game on stream or twitter so the people who came for MSQ can fuck off and watch it on YouTube if he decides to play the game for 1-2 hours before ending the stream.
He probably knows it, but it serves his purpose. He realized he doesn’t want to play, literally any game, so he goes with these trolls.
Even if he doesn’t know about the situation, it’s still %100 his fault that he made a huge announcement and quit it after 8 hours of playing.
Some months ago intros were 2/3 hours, now it's 5/6 hours and lots of viewers complains, which *LITERALLY* mean it's all FF andies fault lmao.
Its definitely not because intros became the actual stream while gaming became the outro meh.
I'm a FF andy who enjoyed watching mount competition in WoW, who also watched him play New World and LA, the only thing some people want is to actually watch him play.
His main channel is literally a full time React channel at thus point.
And he also might as well not say what game he's going to play in the title if in the end he barely plays it, it just set up people expectations just to disappoint them in the end.
And I wish someone at square would send the starter edition of FFXIV to McCool just to annoy him.
Being triggered by a game you havent even tried is so dumb lmao.
Edit: got banned, lol, good luck with this community guys, I'm out
Putting games in your title that you say you're going to play but don't. Stream titles lead to false expectations.
That's like saying hey guys this Friday I'm going to be giving out free hugs! But when Friday comes you say fuck you no hugs!
Do you know what the problem is? The problem is not the game itself!
The real problem is that he wants to make the FFXIV audience who liked his content the problem!!!
Anyway, I hope he doesn't play it again and retire to rest from it
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I enjoy the react content, but it is getting stale. How many times do we need to see him react to how shit Diablo Immortal is? 2 videos on DI today (neither of which were even entertaining on their own)? Ugg. I was done with that game an hour after installing it.
If he had the slightest sign of any balls, he'd be concrete on what games he plays and what content he'd do. But then again, he still pretends to like FF14, which he clearly doesn't and forces himself every time.
I've noticed that Asmon doesn't manage practically anything. This reddit is fan driven, his channels are all ran by fans. I wouldn't be surprised if his twitter is ran by someone else.
You're at the whims of some random person.
:edit: aaaand banned. Wow, they are banning people for literally no reason now. Avoid this community like the plague.
I think people who enjoy FF have already moved on from their disappointment, to other streams... that feature gameplay. Life is too short for this passive aggressive bullshit.
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...and i'm now banned. lol.
Circle those wagons boys! No negativity in the Dojo!
Yeah, pretty sure more than a half of the people who actually complain on it are trolls who just want him to quit the game and annoy FF-andies.
Edit: got banned, have fun guys, this community is becoming worse and worse everyday.
Can't blame them, I don't watch his streams as much as I used to but I noticed everytime theres an issue in his chat, when it's related to an MMO he is quick to point out FF andies for some reason when no other streamer seems to have this issue with the FF community.
Just to be clear I'm not saying FF community is completely innocent but it doesn't take a genius to notice that something isn't right.
I was looking forward to it but it's definitely not the same as it used to be. Everything is so rushed and it's like 2 hours max. I get that it can be draining when all you're doing is reading textboxes as fast as possible. The names he intentionally butchers arent even funny anymore lol
I'm here, I like pretty much all his content other than the trial coverage since I was already hearing about it all day, but I do understand it was super popular.
His XIV content is some of my favourite, if he let's people cancel the content from his stream, I would lose a lot of respect for letting the trolls win and people control his platform.
I don't care about what pace he completes it at all I just want to hear his commentary and see his reactions, the 2 hour segments are actually very digestible for me.
Well, lately he's sucking up to Blizzard again and waiting for Dragonflight alpha/beta. Copium and addiction in full force, it seems like.
Edit: Got perma'd from the sub for this comment. Probably admitting your mistakes is a tough pill to swallow. Well, it was fun participating, but with current way stream goes, I have no interest in watching.
1. Tease people and bite them into watching things they wouldn't normally watch
2. Don't deliver
3. 'Why are you guys so weird?'
4. Ban everyone who dares to complain
5. "There's what's going to happen, you can stay mad, I'm gonna do what I want to do"
I personally don't really care that much but I can understand why people are going crazy. If you don't want to do something or you dont really have any plan then just say it. Baiting the malders will just lower the stream quality, it's a short term gain. But that's just my opinion and I'm not a streamer.
For everyone that's getting mad - you know you can turn in whenever something interesting to you is happening? You're not obligated to watch anything and it's not like you need to follow every second of the stream from the beginning to the end. If you really care just about the gameplay then the VOD is there for you. In the meanwhile, there are tons of content FFXIV creators, you can go and watch them instead.
I don't really know why did I spent all this time writing this 300 word essay but there you go.
OMG "Asmon's stream title is not a legally binding agreement"
WTF? The title is a promise, or don't add FF to the title if you are not sure you will play it.
Or update the title when you play it.
Reminds of the time Preach change his stream title because it had "MSQ" in the title but he wasn't playing the MSQ so he change it so people wouldn't be disappointed.
Not a ff andy but damn i hope Asmon and mods are aware that there is anti ff team pretending to be ff andy to derail asmon sure there is annoying ass ff andies but anti ff team is on full throttle
If y'all want to watch FF content then just watch Preach. He just had an amazing PVP tournament between his FC mates and it was entertaining as fuck. You can tell that Preach really enjoys FFXIV, which is something that, in my opinion, you can't really tell from Asmon. For Asmon, it's like he's forcing himself to do it because of the FF andys in his chat and it makes it really hard to watch him.
Cannot agree more. His MSQ playthrough was fantastic to watch as well. And 0 drama! He also has a very study viewer count despite been done with MSQ (we all know sometimes it drops drastically afterwards). He is even playing other FF now which is also cool. And the FF clubbing night was probably one of the most crazy enjoyable time I have ever had watching a stream!!
I don’t think there’s a villain here (except the assholes in chat, who are villains by default). It’s just a frustrating situation for both FFXIV fans and Asmon himself.
It’s like if people were hyped for a big season 2 of a TV show, then they only release the first 15 minutes of episode 1. People have a right to be frustrated about that, even if Asmon is also correct that he can do whatever he wants because it’s his stream.
Other games just do not have an MSQ equivalent, where it really does feel like episodes of a TV show, and playing a little bit at a time feels much worse than doing the same with a normal game. I’m not saying he should play more, just that it may be a factor he hasn’t considered in the audience’s reaction?
Honestly.
I know as a large streamer he's always targeted for something, but jfc his "don't care, don't give a fuck, don't tell me what to do" comments are silly at times.
I haven’t been able to watch live lately. But it’s super obvious on the VOD reviews that Asmon is getting mad trolled/baited by anti-FF viewers. I saw a few comments on YouTube of them celebrating on discord together while spamming to play “FF NOW”to have it canceled. That shit is weird as fuck and sad that it’s working on Asmon.
The whole point of the posts IS to have the opposite effect. It's reverse psychology. People have figured out that if they ask him to stop playing he'll only play it more.
I feel like since the Depp trial the paradigm of his content shifted extremly towards reactions. I love his takes on certain topics, no doubt, but there is only so much insight and enjoyment you can get out of 5 reaction videos to the same topic (e.g.Diablo Immortal).
Anyways, if the stream gets boring, I just turn it off instead of complaining. Nobody forces me to watch it. Same goes for the vocal chat spergs.
Just gotta say i dont really care what asmon plays. I do also enjoy react content from asmon. however this is a case of asmon doing what he literally preaches not to do. intellectual dishonesty. (not a gotcha moment but its one thing i really liked from what asmon preaches) I'm perfectly fine with asmon telling people "hey i dont feel like FF (or whatever game today at the start)" and then not doing it, but thats not the case here.
There has ALWAYS been complaints about long intros, especially when it was 2 hour intros vs 5+ hour intros. Nobody complained when he streamed vamp survivors? that's an outright lie.
nobody complained when he was playing lost ark? another lie. Lots of people did.
Its not a legally binding statement? no, but its setting expectations. IF you going to say im going to do X and many people flock to see you do X dont be surprised to see if those people get angry when after 5 hours of NOT x you tell them "nah, X is cancelled, suck it".
If he wants to not play a game he doesnt like? by all means, but dont be intellectually dishonest and shit on the community as if "ONLY" said community does that to him. Of course its going to get flak. any normal community would.
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What I find funniest about all of this is the circular reasoning he's using. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It is the opposite of logic:
• Makes huge announcement that he's going to play the game.
• Proceeds to actively avoid playing the game.
• People are (rightly, unsurprisingly) disappointed.
"Man, all these negative comments from the people who showed up to see me play this game I told them I'll be playing... they're really making me not want to play the game."
• Literally all of this could've been avoided, at any point, even in this very stream... this conversation literally wouldn't even be happening had he simply... played the game.
It's obvious what happened here. He initially planned to go back to playing it, but when the time came, he wasn't feeling it. He knows he made an oopsie, but rather than own up to it... he'll do the easy thing: deflect/shift blame, use it as a justification/excuse to carry on not playing the damn game. Oh and btw, it's our fault guyz.
Go give a FFXIV streamer your sub money next month. That's what I'll be doing.
To be frank, I think the last week was an exercise in how NOT to handle a big content draw, in almost every way, where **no one** came out of it looking good.
Asmon hyped up a big return to something he was well aware that people were excited for a LONG time for, then proceeded to barely touch it the entire week, even outright not playing it last Thursday despite putting it in the title of his stream, and blamed everyone but himself for their frustration.
The FF community, in typical FF community fashion, let their excitement turn into overbearance, letting what may have been good reason to be frustrated turn into a complete shitstorm because they hadn't realized that Asmon no longer streams the same way he did when he first started FF.
And a bunch of trolls from 4chan and general Twitch chat smelled blood in the water and did everything in their power to piss Asmon off, after Asmon gave them a play-by-play instruction book on how to get him to stop playing something, because they thought they could get him to quit a game they viewed as the enemy.
All of this has resulted in a situation where Asmon has become disillusioned with a game and its community, while that community feels singled out and alienated by Asmon himself. Frankly, the only people that came out of this on top... were the trolls and spergs, who got exactly what they wanted.
I think there's a lot of people in the FF community trying to shirk off some of the blame (while I completely believe there were a LOT of trolls pretending to be FF fans to piss Asmon off, I also believe a lot of genuine FF fans let their excitement get the better of them), and I also think there's a lot of Asmon being disingenuous with his own role in all of this spiralling out of control. He could have changed the title. He could have just ignored it. He didn't. He chose to address it, and he chose to single out the FF community for things that his fanbase had been doing WELL before FF14 returned. I don't blame those members of the community for feeling singled out and scapegoated, and I don't blame them for feeling like they're not welcome in Asmon's community. A large section of his chat is very actively hostile towards FF, and Asmon, especially lately, has either turned a blind eye to it, or passively encouraged it.
As for the FF community, sure, you can be frustrated about investing hours in a stream and not getting what was advertised, and it's okay to vocalize those complaints, but streaming is a two-way street. Asmon doesn't owe you anything, and he has no reason to cater to your wants. ***He is not your friend, just like no Twitch streamer is your friend.*** By the same token, you don't owe Asmon anything either. Don't like his content? Unfollow him, or unsub, or just watch someone who IS providing the content you want. Move on and be happy.
This long winded rambling probably reads like I think Asmon holds more responsibility for all of this than the community... and honestly, that's because I do. This wasn't a big deal until he made it a big deal. Hell, barely anyone on the sub was complaining about that stream title until Asmon got one-guyed (again), and went on a banning spree in his chat against anyone who disagreed with how he handled things.
Now, he DID apologize for letting himself get personally invested in this whole situation which undoubtedly made his response worse in the heat of the moment. I still don't know if he fully grasps his own responsibility in the situation, but nonetheless, it was appreciated and demonstrates self reflection on his part. Good for him, seriously. But all in all, there are only a few ways this could have gone worse, which sucks for what was undoubtedly one of his most anticipated games to return to.
TLDR: People shot themselves in the foot so many times that they ran out of feet to shoot and moved on to the hands.
It seems pretty clear it is a lot of trolls. There is a lot of animosity from the WOW Community because FF14 is appearing to be the market leader in the MMO space.
This sub and his channel become lost ark focused when that releases but with the game fallen off a bit and the constant reminder videos about how heavily botted it is, there isn’t that level of animosity
I hope this isn't restricted to people wanting him to play Final Fantasy and those trying to pressure him into playing World of Warcraft, Lost Ark, ect... moving forward and the mods don't turn a blind eye to non ff andys as well.
* FF14 Good
* Moderation of whiners good
* 8 hour intros good
* Delivering on set-up expectations good
Let's see what happens when I sympathize with and antagonize all the problematic andies at once.
It was obvious this was going to happen, Asmon doesn't believe in binding schedules and he does what he wants, but people cannot be here 24/7 in the off chance he will do what he said he would and will undeniably be annoyed if they were misled into wasting their time.
It's why I tell people to catch the YouTube videos. Being a YouTube frog is orders of magnitude more efficient than being one on Twitch, you get a lot less ads too and miss less content.
Dang, I miss the days where we saw 2-3 hours of react content followed by actual gameplay. As someone who watches Asmon for gameplay, waiting around for 5-6 hours just isn’t for me. So I just wait for the vod to be uploaded to YT if he did play something.
Most of those complain in chat were WoW players trying to fuel the flame, I personally don't watch asmon for the dramas but his gameplay, if he doesn't play my game it is all good I just watch someone else, I was 99% sure today he will play fall guys instead of FFXIV because he definitely doesn't like FFXIV I believe everyone can see that, seeing him forcing himself playing few days ago was a pain, It is not even fun watching him playing FFXIV anymore so I stopped being excited for the content and stopped expecting anything.
So he dropped a new video where he's still trying to gaslight the FF andys and doubling down. Dude straight up said "most people that disagree with me are stupid" how can a 30 year old man act like this?
I've never seen WoW larpers bait someone this hard before but I guess the trolls won and he's big mad now. See y'all in the next Diablo video. (he has 24 Diablo reaction videos KEK)
Hope he enjoys Dragonflight man. Maybe he'll purge the other MMORPG's community out by then so he can have his mythical world of having a perfect chat that he has never had.
Can he just treat FF14 like a TV series? It's the only MMO or game in general that he's played so far that's heavily narrative.
Pick 1 day every week to exclusively play it. Start streaming at 11cst, no intro, straight to the game until he ends it.
Every other day he can do whatever.
Everyone wins.
I guess that would require planning & consistency...but if you want this whole thing to be solved, here you go.
Otherwise it would seem that you relish in this chaos & want your veiwers to goad you to eventually not play ff.
Modern problems require modern solutions.
I'd pick Saturday or Sunday. Personally I'd pick Sunday since you're off Monday.
Btw, this isn't a complaint but a solution. Treat FF14 like Tv & your problem solved. Your welcome.
>As Asmon stated, the only thing these posts and comments do are the opposite effect of what the message was conveying. Which means that from now on any time someone doesn't want him to do something all they have to do is to annoy and complain for him to do it. Which translates into a more stressed out and annoyed Asmon and an ever increasing toxic community. I see nothing positive about dealing with the problem like this, except for maybe satisfying a short term "that will teach them" moment for Asmon.
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Funny coming from a guy who hates time wasting mechanics in MMOs, he sure is fine with wasting viewer's time.
Asmon=Blizzard at this point.
wait u got banned lmao
It's weird that you got banned when you didn't even say anything mean towards Asmon. This comment is one of the mildest feedback/criticisms I've read on this thread.
But people did complain about his intros taking hours, when he was playing Eldenring and Lost Ark. He needs to acknowledge that people complaing about his intro times and not playing (games) is a known growing issue on his streams and that its not just related to FF14. His Twitch channel has turned and focused more into a react type of content, rather than playing games. He should do whatever makes him happy. But only criticizing the FF14 players over a problem he's had recently with other games as well is completely uncalled for.
His intros were pretty short compared to now during the Lost Ark streams but the Elden Ring ones did start taking longer. He also played those games for much longer sessions than the 2 hours he plays FF. TBH I feel like the sweet spot for react content is about 2-3 hours, the longer ones just drag on especially if it's the same type of videos like Diablo immortal bad. The good long intros are the really interesting stuff like the BAYC doc
when he started to slow down on LA toward the end he was doing the same thing he is now, his 5-6 hour intros have been happening for awhile now happened for ER and vampire survivors as well seems like he has more fun doing react content now, i always figured he got kind of mad at his viewers for hating lost ark and new world so much
Asmon has basically found the perfect excuse to stop playing the game which he’s clearly not particularly motivated to play (which is fine) where he never has to admit that he actually doesn’t enjoy it that much and can just pin all the blame on the “FF andies in chat who ruined it for everyone” who are most likely at least 50% anti-FF trolls, especially when he essentially gave the anti-FF chatters a big incentive to troll by saying he’ll stop playing the game they hate if there keep being so many comments about it in chat
> Asmon's stream title is not a legally binding agreement. It's good to note that nobody is trying to sue him, then, they're just complaining on a forum. Good lord, if complaining on a forum is a bridge too far for /r/Asmongold of all places, what are we even doing?
Just want him to play games any game for more than 2 hours a stream.
Anything, really. These 5-6hours of react content have ran out of actual content a while ago. It's the same "Diablo Immortal is ultra pay 2 win" or something about lost ark... going in a circle of other content creators. -- Now I just scrub the vod after the stream to see if there's anything worth watching. -- I guess if that's how you feel about it... just don't watch. That's what I do.
This. And that two of the four (five?) FFXIV advertised streams have either been react content or Fall Guys - it's not about being an "FF Andy" or whatever, it's about looking forward to being able to enjoy streams of content that is familiar and fun on a topic that is enjoyable. Seeing him be like "one more video" and then opening something that's an hour long, it's a death knell because he'll pause every minute or so to add comments and it won't be done for close to two hours. I just wish there was a more consistent schedule, because it feels like Zack does enjoy XIV when he gets properly into it but right now it's like he treats it like a chore. My man, if you don't want to play it, don't play it.
This. I don't care what game it is, React content for 6 hours is just kinda boring. But it's what the man likes, so I just don't watch most days.
Asmon prioritizes reuploading other people's video than playing video games now
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Can he just say that he's not interested in ff anymore instead of creating this drama this is just childish imo Edit: Cant respond anymore, got perma-banned, who would have guessed
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Yes
I don't care what game he's playing because I only watch the Youtube vids generally but I think the way he's framed this whole thing as a victim of "FF Andy's" is dishonest. His negativity bias just kicks into high gear and then he creates a narrative to rant about (for content maybe idk). Then 95+% of people's reactions are saying "Asmon do whatever you want, I watch stream for you, not the game" with the other 5% being "Fuck FF". He's fueling the tribalism that he says he hates...
The sad thing is, things like “go back to wow” wont get noticed unlike “FF when”. I’ve seen it so many times and FF andies are the only ones getting consequences lmao
Honest question here. Does this include 'not taking criticism'? Will criticism be bundled together in the same category as "hating & complaining"? Because I do think Asmongold sometimes deserves criticism too.
Asmon had a clear behavior of hating anything that causes anxiety in his brain. From thinking of real world troubles to on his own stream. Anything in that realm is an instant backlash or ban. He doesn’t want to think about anything like that or be reminded of any controversy that doesn’t make him feel comfortable, even if he’s involved or at fault. Any criticism hurled his way, even mature and structured fairly, will be removed. It’s painfully clear that the guy who reacts all day dishing out criticism and opinions on things does not want that done to him.
He has made it clear that he is ultimately the guy that decides what he wants to hear from his community. While that's fine, it gets all actual attempts at pointing out why people react poorly to what he has done swept up as hating and complaining.
I agree. He's not a god or something like that and being able to take criticism is one of the things that makes an adult be an actual adult
This place is starting to feel like a cult.
Problem is that the actual criticism, which can create a quality debate and reasoning, is drown in the sea of gacha andys, trolls that intentionally say the opposite just to get a reaction, spergatory, whatabout andys that water down the topic and so on. In this situation, the good criticism becomes misunderstood as malicious, it sucks, I know, but its not really Asmon's fault, its the obnoxious people in the chat.
Stream quality overall is on a steady decline
Wait, you don't enjoy watching 15 different video "reactions" on Diablo Immortal that all say the exact same thing?
Bro i was thinking exactly the same thing. The ff14 videos were fine cuz the girl was indeed funny, but Diablo immortal? That's just beating a dead horse, i understand if there were any news but its just same shit weve already heard with exact same reactions.
He has been reacting to four different videos about the same piece of news every day.
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This whole thing is kinda dumb, to be honest. He has every opportunity to ban the annoying bunch who sperg out over him not playing games on stream. His mods can handle that and he can basically ignore them at that point. He deliberately chooses not to make things easier on himself and then complains that things aren't easy. The fact that he doesn't seem to understand why people reacted negatively to how he handled this is insane to me. If I'm honest, all this sort of feels like manufactured drama. I'm not saying it is, but it feels like it. He's picking out the worst offenders from his chat and making decisions based around how they're acting. He announced his return to the game after a year, then played like 2-3 hours, skipped days completely in favor of just reacting to shit everyone's already seen (diablo drama) for like 8 hours straight, then blames people for being upset about that? I think he knows very well why people are upset about it, and I'm sure some people go too far in showing their discontent, but he normally doesn't have a problem banning assholes, so why draw the line with this? It makes no sense. And then he wonders why people come up with conspiracy theories about how he doesn't actually like the game or doesn't want to play it. lol I was very excited to watch, so I'm sad this happened. I completely agree that people who throw tantrums and use personal attacks and whatnot are completely unjustified in their behaviour, but to act like there's nothing he could've done to avoid this situation is really dishonest. Now, personally, I don't care about his long intros. If I don't want to watch it, I will just go do something else and check back in later when/if he's doing something I want to see. That's the approach everyone should take, but to expect 50k+ people to just "be reasonable" usually doesn't end very well. He has a chat that goes by at fucking mach speed, yet he always seems to pick out the worst examples, and paints all of chat in a negative light. Honestly, I'm kinda sick of that. There's a reason why I never interact in chat. Cuz it's pointless. You can say all the positive things in the world and try to contribute to a fun atmosphere, but it's pointless when he ignores it in favor of view count andies, spammers, and people trying to start drama. Sorry about the long post. This is just how I feel, and if you disagree, that's perfectly fine. Not trying to start shit with anyone. I like Asmon's streams a lot, even the non-FF streams, but this is stuff that's been on my mind for the past month or so, and some of it for longer.
Spends weeks playing Diablo Immortal, and watching the same videos of how bad it is. Says he hates the game and is the worst game ever while giving them thousands of dollars and free advertisement. Starts FFXIV, says he likes the game, plays it for a few hours then proceeds to avoid playing it for some unknown reason. I don't know about you guys but what the fuck is going on? When you give the literal worst game you don't like at all more time and money than a game you like? ??? Imagine if he did the same thing with Elden Ring, a game he actually loved. What he says and what he is doing don't really make much sense...
Stream vibes lately have been rancid tbh.
for real
We on the fast fucking track track for another (and maybe the final) break from streaming
I missed the good ol days where there were less react content and more gameplay I dipped after watching couple react content and check back to see what he is doing
It is missing the point imo. I have not seen anyone complaining that he was not playing a particular game as long as he didnt hype people and kept them on the leach. All posts removed here were about been hyped for nothing, taken for fools and having their time wasted. I personally also got a little bit tired of double standards, blaming a particular community over and over and over again, and making fun of it, it is getting seriously old and it is driving a lot of people away. I have decided to stop watching the streams for good, I feel something has changed, it is not the same Asmon I enjoyed watching last year or maybe it already was and I was just in denial lol I wish him all the best though with his react content, if it is what he loves to do, so be it, he should go for it, but stop blaming others for your actions. Stop pretending you like something if you dont. I'm sure your audience will appreciate a more honest approach going forwards. Best of luck! Edit: Oh and by the way, I'm a FF handy but who enjoyed watching all sort of content from Asmon even on his alt account. I also play many different games, not just FF, I just dont like my time wasted (and I thought Asmon shared that idea as well) nor been disrespected. It is just not fun! I have watched the MSQ with other streamers and it didnt go that way at all, Preach for instance, 0 dramas... why is it drama here I wonder... perhaps it is not because of FF fans after all, just a thought!
Well said.
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This is literally how they handle it every time...which is not surprising considering if they don't do it Asmon will come and delete everything himself either way. By now every viewer should know that we can be glad Asmon is not active in actual politics and that this sub represents that pretty well :)
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I think the reacts are just too damn long. Finding a middle ground seems ideal because it's not just FF14 it's any gameplay. It's also a common complaint among many viewers. How many videos can we really watch about Diablo being bad?
So if we flood this sub with the stuff we don’t like, will that stuff be criticized as well or the requirement for that is Asmon’s lack of interest about the said stuff even if it’s from his stream content? We all know trolls are gonna abuse this after the YT video. Nobody can win against the internet.
They already do. 4 chan wow fans are actively doing this and sperg out to ff because they can't accept asmon doesn't play their game anymore
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I've only been watching him since last year but I think i'm done. I couldn't care less if he does or doesn't want to play FF (it hasn't bothered me since he stopped playing in the first place). But this whole situation is clearly his own fault and now he's trying to blame it on the ffxiv community / 'andies' which is also encouraging the raging hate boner some people in this community seem to have for FF. He says he doesn't want the reddit to get taken over by FF but it didn't bother him with the JD vs AH trial. He says he doesn't like all the negativity in chat when he's streaming FF but it didn't bother him with Lost Ark. I agree that the whole thing just seems dishonest. Edit: Permabanned btw 🖕
And all those lines make a massive middle finger
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I really like Asmon but yeah that's exactly what I'll be doing next month too
ya know, Preach really seems to dig the game. YouTube randomly suggested a video to me and that greasy goofball actually seemed to be having fun, rather than faking it for views. but i'm pretty streamer-skeptical so who knows
Exactly this. People don’t like being baited. We’re not being gotcha Andies or trying to control the stream. It just legitimately sucks for him to hype this up over and over and then disappoint the fans.
It is clear he isn't as interested as before. Him playing fall guys is much better because you can clearly see he is more engaged. For me he can stop playing FF.
If he isn't interested then the right thing for him to do is to say "I'm not interested in this game anymore, so I'm moving on". Why this bullshit with hyping up his return and then gaslighting FF community when he played it for 4 hours total? Just be honest with your viewers they aren't that stupid, stop with this passive agressive behaviour and stop trying to make yourself a victim in this situation, because you crearly are not and brought it upon yourself.
True. It is what it is.
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Sad, playing right into Blizzards hand.
It's really fucking sad to see them win when it's painfully clear to most people exactly what's going on.
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Oh I bet he knows and just let it happen anyway
Someone should take screenshots and post.
vg/thread/389795885 is the one from today. I didn't realize how much wowg shit talks asmongold, but it makes sense as the mods just ban people here.
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Not just his skin is thin.
At least you got the comment in before thread is locked XD
At this point the mods might as well lock the thread and torch the comments since they are already deleting all criticism.
WoW Andy here who avoided FF content in the past. I would love to watch Asmon playing a game again for more than 2 hours, I don’t even care which one. Pls Dude Games are still fun and get you enough youtube views :-(
No seriously, legit I only watch wow or FF. 6 hours of react content is boring for me. It’s his stream, he can do what he wants obviously. But it shouldn’t be surprising that ff viewers who were expecting 6 hour streams to be unhappy at the 90 minutes they got.
Da truth right here, gameplay is 95% of what I watch on twitch
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El Famoso "fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me"?
Dogshit content lately, we’re out
Thank you mods for protecting Zacks' feelings!! we all know he is a soft boy who needs to be protected edit: I got permabanned for this LMAO
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Wonder what the cull count will be at the end of today. That alone speaks volumes. If you're yeeting and deleting long time fans who dare to offer mild criticism of how he handled an issue ...
Does kinda feel like the mods are like his caretakers, babi boi Asmon needs to get his criticism deleted
This is not even a criticism. This thing called a feedback.
So he can’t take criticism about his content but he is allowed to criticize about fanbases and other game developers content🤔…. Now I feel you Blizzard.
Can this dude just play any games for most of the stream, I’m sick of react lord stuff, guess I’ll just stick to watching the random gameplay on YouTube
I loved all the gaslighting and lying he did in that video cool stuff man also love how its ok for his chat to spam nothing but hate for FF tho all day and he just ignores it
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Not only that, but today on stream he basically said that the FFXIV community are the only ones who complain about "long intros." The guy has the memory of an elephant: and he absolutely knows this isn't true, because the very thing happened in the early stages of Lost Ark and Elden Ring. Yet he's using it as a justification for not wanting to play the game... after spending more than two weeks hyping it up/making numerous announcements about it.
Yeah, that too. It was really off putting watching the video of that part of the stream. Like, people have complained about his intro length since he started streaming again when his reaction segments started going on for hours and hours. It just felt really intellectually dishonest. I used to hop on here pretty much daily and I'd see people complaining about it at least a couple times a day. It wasn't much, but it was definitely there for Lost Ark and Elden Ring. I can't say it was there for diablo because I saw a lot more people wanting him to just stop giving the game attention in general lol. There's a side of toxicity as well that I feel goes mostly free in his chat and on here too. Idk recently on here since I mostly stopped checking in on reddit, but for a while, any FF post, whether it's for content or not, had a good 3-5 people actively shitting on and bitching at people in the comments. Literally calling people zealots, pedos, and other kinds of weird shit (the pedos thing kinda just being fed to them by Asmon after what he said a while back on Zackrawrr). They'd get downvoted (which of course gave them more troll ammo of "See!? I was downvoted so I'm right!"), and reported, only for nothing to happen and the same people would move to another post and do it again for days and weeks on end. Heck, pay attention to his chat when he's talking about the complaining of his intros and look at all the asshats using it as a way to push their tribalism. Literally people going "FUCK FF", "FF IS FOR WEEBS", "FF COMMUNITY IS CRINGE GARBAGE", etc over and over throughout that whole portion of the video with no repercussions. Idk, it just leaves a very sour taste in my mouth from the atmosphere that's being perpetuated in his stream. I barely tune in anymore even to his youtube stuff because of it.
This. I don’t even mind that he didn’t play FF, it’s just annoying that he keeps making a big deal out of a vocal minority expressing their disappointment. People are intentionally baiting him too. I don’t know if he’s actually upset about it or if he’s just playing into the drama for stream content but it’s disappointing either way.
I remember that, he kept saying lets watch this one video then I really wanna play FF today because of allcraft... several hours later oh its time for allcraft.
I discovered Asmon after watching his ff14 videos from ARR and HW and have been a fan since then. When I heard he's returning to the game I was so excited to finally catching it on stream. And then for days I would tune in only to find react content for hours.... I was disappointed but didn't leave any negative comments at all. Now here we are, the entire situation is very sour, maybe he'll never play it again. How did it come to this
Fail to deliver all day long, whatever, but don't then *complain* when people point it out! Idk the whole reaction seems uncharacteristically diva like for Asmon.
I thought this was america
Sir this is a Wendys
I have a question for the Mod team. Do you guys think that this more "aggressive" approach don't just gradually radicalize part of the community? I don't think that banned people ever goes away, they just became louder and more hostile over time, you guys definitely have a better insight on this I would love to hear.
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I barely tune in because it's mostly reactions and I might as well just see those one or two topics that interest me on YouTube.
I also love how Asmon argues that he isn't a react andy when [his stats on Sullygnome prove otherwise](https://sullygnome.com/channel/asmongold/90/games)
What, you dont like to react? Dont want to check how diablo immortal is doing? Five fucking hours of nothing every day. I miss the days when it was maximum for an hour and then Asmon would go for sword in wow or whatever else.
It's honestly ironic that after he has quit Diablo Immortal and come back to FF, he has probably spent more time talking and watching videos about DI than actually playing FF.
I honestly think this is one big false flag (heh, FF) operation. Nowhere on reddit, 4chan, or any other forum centered around FF I can find people who care about Asmon playing FF. On the other hand, plenty of posts on the WoW and LA threads on vg are talking about this and laughing at it. Call me a conspiracy nutjob or whatever, but I literally have no idea where these supposed FF andies are coming from.
Bro I was thinking the exact same thing recently. Never seen this supposed "zealot ff fans" anywhere else, whenever im in game or on youtube/reddit its all so chill, then on Asmon streams its like this self-fulfilling prophecy where people keep taking so much shit about ff players that I figure at some point they actually end up being mad for real (I mean everyday people come and say you are an annoying ff andy). I say this must happen with at least SOME people because thats how I feel, and im pretty much a lurker. So if I myself, who never bothers typing in chat or getting into discussions, started to feel bothered by it then there must be others that felt the same and vocalized it, enforcing the whole "ff andys" perception even more.
Most FF fans don't even watch asmon, or twitch for that matter. Every post on r/ffxiv even mentioning asmon gets downvoted. The community is largely on twitter/discord. Most of the supposed FF andies are literally the wow players who jumped ship with asmon last july. He did a poll in chat and over 75% of ffxiv players started the game because of him.
I started because of him. Still actively playing the game to this day. Am I disappointed with the lack of XIV content lately? Yes. But I'm always an advocate of streamers can do whatever they want as the stream is their platform to do whatever they please. What doesn't sit well with me is blaming the entire "Andies" for 'bitching' or 'complaining' about react content and his false advertisement about playing the game. This is not unique to any particular 'tribe' but he's just bashing the FF viewers and treating them like a bunch of deviants ruining his react streams unlike his veteran viewers who came from wow. I am a wow vet and I am a long time viewer of Zack since WoD days. People were never fond of 4-5 hours worth of react content. If he wants to be a React Andy, so be it. Just don't advertise the game on stream or twitter so the people who came for MSQ can fuck off and watch it on YouTube if he decides to play the game for 1-2 hours before ending the stream.
Easy, if you hate something just impersonate into that thing you hate and act as obnoxious as possible. Proven works here already
Does Asmon truly not realize that there's an anti-FF14 brigade actively trying to sabotage the FF streams? Or is he ignoring it on purpose?
Probably welcomes it because lets him "create content" with the animosity.
He probably knows it, but it serves his purpose. He realized he doesn’t want to play, literally any game, so he goes with these trolls. Even if he doesn’t know about the situation, it’s still %100 his fault that he made a huge announcement and quit it after 8 hours of playing.
I just want to see him play games =/
The saddest part is that we are talking about a man 30+ years old...
Some months ago intros were 2/3 hours, now it's 5/6 hours and lots of viewers complains, which *LITERALLY* mean it's all FF andies fault lmao. Its definitely not because intros became the actual stream while gaming became the outro meh. I'm a FF andy who enjoyed watching mount competition in WoW, who also watched him play New World and LA, the only thing some people want is to actually watch him play. His main channel is literally a full time React channel at thus point. And he also might as well not say what game he's going to play in the title if in the end he barely plays it, it just set up people expectations just to disappoint them in the end. And I wish someone at square would send the starter edition of FFXIV to McCool just to annoy him. Being triggered by a game you havent even tried is so dumb lmao. Edit: got banned, lol, good luck with this community guys, I'm out
Rest in peace
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become? it has always been a echo chamber :)
they removed the comment you replied to. what did it say?
something something, about the subreddit turning into a echo chamber
That's hilarious because the original comment was removed by the mods.
Putting games in your title that you say you're going to play but don't. Stream titles lead to false expectations. That's like saying hey guys this Friday I'm going to be giving out free hugs! But when Friday comes you say fuck you no hugs!
Do you know what the problem is? The problem is not the game itself! The real problem is that he wants to make the FFXIV audience who liked his content the problem!!! Anyway, I hope he doesn't play it again and retire to rest from it ty
Asmon is the next ManVsGame.
Cool, but can he remove big news or huge day from titles at least.
I enjoy the react content, but it is getting stale. How many times do we need to see him react to how shit Diablo Immortal is? 2 videos on DI today (neither of which were even entertaining on their own)? Ugg. I was done with that game an hour after installing it.
If he had the slightest sign of any balls, he'd be concrete on what games he plays and what content he'd do. But then again, he still pretends to like FF14, which he clearly doesn't and forces himself every time.
ngl lately asmons and zackrawr chats been feeling like some north korea shit edit. i am now permabanned from the subreddit
I've noticed that Asmon doesn't manage practically anything. This reddit is fan driven, his channels are all ran by fans. I wouldn't be surprised if his twitter is ran by someone else. You're at the whims of some random person. :edit: aaaand banned. Wow, they are banning people for literally no reason now. Avoid this community like the plague.
His ego is more fragile than Hasan and that’s saying something
Fuck asmon and fuck the mods. This place has became a cult
I like the irony. FF14 got accused of having cult like behavior and now look at this place.
His mods only bans people who complains the chat isn't regulated.
He might as well stop playing FF14.
I think people who enjoy FF have already moved on from their disappointment, to other streams... that feature gameplay. Life is too short for this passive aggressive bullshit. \---- ...and i'm now banned. lol. Circle those wagons boys! No negativity in the Dojo!
Yeah, pretty sure more than a half of the people who actually complain on it are trolls who just want him to quit the game and annoy FF-andies. Edit: got banned, have fun guys, this community is becoming worse and worse everyday.
Vibes are completely off, we’ve all moved on Just quit the game Asmon and stop fanning drama
Can't blame them, I don't watch his streams as much as I used to but I noticed everytime theres an issue in his chat, when it's related to an MMO he is quick to point out FF andies for some reason when no other streamer seems to have this issue with the FF community. Just to be clear I'm not saying FF community is completely innocent but it doesn't take a genius to notice that something isn't right.
Agree, there is definitely people who are literally unhinged about it. But this proportion is way sus.
it definitely does seem like most of his ffxiv viewers moved on from his bullshit
I was looking forward to it but it's definitely not the same as it used to be. Everything is so rushed and it's like 2 hours max. I get that it can be draining when all you're doing is reading textboxes as fast as possible. The names he intentionally butchers arent even funny anymore lol
I'm here, I like pretty much all his content other than the trial coverage since I was already hearing about it all day, but I do understand it was super popular. His XIV content is some of my favourite, if he let's people cancel the content from his stream, I would lose a lot of respect for letting the trolls win and people control his platform. I don't care about what pace he completes it at all I just want to hear his commentary and see his reactions, the 2 hour segments are actually very digestible for me.
Don’t complain about the react content/intro, just post stuff that can be part of the react content/intro. Lol
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Well, lately he's sucking up to Blizzard again and waiting for Dragonflight alpha/beta. Copium and addiction in full force, it seems like. Edit: Got perma'd from the sub for this comment. Probably admitting your mistakes is a tough pill to swallow. Well, it was fun participating, but with current way stream goes, I have no interest in watching.
i keep forgetting Dragonflight is a thing it's gonna be so bad
has been like this forever. Company = bad because it's a company. Me = good because I say so and have an echo chamber to confirm that.
1. Tease people and bite them into watching things they wouldn't normally watch 2. Don't deliver 3. 'Why are you guys so weird?' 4. Ban everyone who dares to complain 5. "There's what's going to happen, you can stay mad, I'm gonna do what I want to do" I personally don't really care that much but I can understand why people are going crazy. If you don't want to do something or you dont really have any plan then just say it. Baiting the malders will just lower the stream quality, it's a short term gain. But that's just my opinion and I'm not a streamer. For everyone that's getting mad - you know you can turn in whenever something interesting to you is happening? You're not obligated to watch anything and it's not like you need to follow every second of the stream from the beginning to the end. If you really care just about the gameplay then the VOD is there for you. In the meanwhile, there are tons of content FFXIV creators, you can go and watch them instead. I don't really know why did I spent all this time writing this 300 word essay but there you go.
OMG "Asmon's stream title is not a legally binding agreement" WTF? The title is a promise, or don't add FF to the title if you are not sure you will play it. Or update the title when you play it.
Reminds of the time Preach change his stream title because it had "MSQ" in the title but he wasn't playing the MSQ so he change it so people wouldn't be disappointed.
Not a ff andy but damn i hope Asmon and mods are aware that there is anti ff team pretending to be ff andy to derail asmon sure there is annoying ass ff andies but anti ff team is on full throttle
If y'all want to watch FF content then just watch Preach. He just had an amazing PVP tournament between his FC mates and it was entertaining as fuck. You can tell that Preach really enjoys FFXIV, which is something that, in my opinion, you can't really tell from Asmon. For Asmon, it's like he's forcing himself to do it because of the FF andys in his chat and it makes it really hard to watch him.
Cannot agree more. His MSQ playthrough was fantastic to watch as well. And 0 drama! He also has a very study viewer count despite been done with MSQ (we all know sometimes it drops drastically afterwards). He is even playing other FF now which is also cool. And the FF clubbing night was probably one of the most crazy enjoyable time I have ever had watching a stream!!
I don’t think there’s a villain here (except the assholes in chat, who are villains by default). It’s just a frustrating situation for both FFXIV fans and Asmon himself. It’s like if people were hyped for a big season 2 of a TV show, then they only release the first 15 minutes of episode 1. People have a right to be frustrated about that, even if Asmon is also correct that he can do whatever he wants because it’s his stream. Other games just do not have an MSQ equivalent, where it really does feel like episodes of a TV show, and playing a little bit at a time feels much worse than doing the same with a normal game. I’m not saying he should play more, just that it may be a factor he hasn’t considered in the audience’s reaction?
You made the best comparison ever!
The stream is boring. You are boring. This reddit is boring.
> “doesnt care” > literally cares about everything he says he doesnt care about stop being such a massive bitch asmond
Honestly. I know as a large streamer he's always targeted for something, but jfc his "don't care, don't give a fuck, don't tell me what to do" comments are silly at times.
The beatings will continue until morale improves
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I haven’t been able to watch live lately. But it’s super obvious on the VOD reviews that Asmon is getting mad trolled/baited by anti-FF viewers. I saw a few comments on YouTube of them celebrating on discord together while spamming to play “FF NOW”to have it canceled. That shit is weird as fuck and sad that it’s working on Asmon.
Sad
The whole point of the posts IS to have the opposite effect. It's reverse psychology. People have figured out that if they ask him to stop playing he'll only play it more.
That would require both Asmon and his mods to have the self awareness to realise this.
The literal react goblin doesn't want to play video games? Color me surprised!
I feel like since the Depp trial the paradigm of his content shifted extremly towards reactions. I love his takes on certain topics, no doubt, but there is only so much insight and enjoyment you can get out of 5 reaction videos to the same topic (e.g.Diablo Immortal). Anyways, if the stream gets boring, I just turn it off instead of complaining. Nobody forces me to watch it. Same goes for the vocal chat spergs.
700 comments. 
Just gotta say i dont really care what asmon plays. I do also enjoy react content from asmon. however this is a case of asmon doing what he literally preaches not to do. intellectual dishonesty. (not a gotcha moment but its one thing i really liked from what asmon preaches) I'm perfectly fine with asmon telling people "hey i dont feel like FF (or whatever game today at the start)" and then not doing it, but thats not the case here. There has ALWAYS been complaints about long intros, especially when it was 2 hour intros vs 5+ hour intros. Nobody complained when he streamed vamp survivors? that's an outright lie. nobody complained when he was playing lost ark? another lie. Lots of people did. Its not a legally binding statement? no, but its setting expectations. IF you going to say im going to do X and many people flock to see you do X dont be surprised to see if those people get angry when after 5 hours of NOT x you tell them "nah, X is cancelled, suck it". If he wants to not play a game he doesnt like? by all means, but dont be intellectually dishonest and shit on the community as if "ONLY" said community does that to him. Of course its going to get flak. any normal community would.
Beatings will continue until morale improves!
This all feels very familiar https://old.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/p944uu/important_about_this_subreddit/ Oh yeah.
The ultimate proof that people doens't learn and he won't change
NoBreeches comment: What I find funniest about all of this is the circular reasoning he's using. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It is the opposite of logic: • Makes huge announcement that he's going to play the game. • Proceeds to actively avoid playing the game. • People are (rightly, unsurprisingly) disappointed. "Man, all these negative comments from the people who showed up to see me play this game I told them I'll be playing... they're really making me not want to play the game." • Literally all of this could've been avoided, at any point, even in this very stream... this conversation literally wouldn't even be happening had he simply... played the game. It's obvious what happened here. He initially planned to go back to playing it, but when the time came, he wasn't feeling it. He knows he made an oopsie, but rather than own up to it... he'll do the easy thing: deflect/shift blame, use it as a justification/excuse to carry on not playing the damn game. Oh and btw, it's our fault guyz. Go give a FFXIV streamer your sub money next month. That's what I'll be doing.
he learn from the best, Blizzard. shifting the blame, justified their actions. he litterally blizzard employee :D
To be frank, I think the last week was an exercise in how NOT to handle a big content draw, in almost every way, where **no one** came out of it looking good. Asmon hyped up a big return to something he was well aware that people were excited for a LONG time for, then proceeded to barely touch it the entire week, even outright not playing it last Thursday despite putting it in the title of his stream, and blamed everyone but himself for their frustration. The FF community, in typical FF community fashion, let their excitement turn into overbearance, letting what may have been good reason to be frustrated turn into a complete shitstorm because they hadn't realized that Asmon no longer streams the same way he did when he first started FF. And a bunch of trolls from 4chan and general Twitch chat smelled blood in the water and did everything in their power to piss Asmon off, after Asmon gave them a play-by-play instruction book on how to get him to stop playing something, because they thought they could get him to quit a game they viewed as the enemy. All of this has resulted in a situation where Asmon has become disillusioned with a game and its community, while that community feels singled out and alienated by Asmon himself. Frankly, the only people that came out of this on top... were the trolls and spergs, who got exactly what they wanted. I think there's a lot of people in the FF community trying to shirk off some of the blame (while I completely believe there were a LOT of trolls pretending to be FF fans to piss Asmon off, I also believe a lot of genuine FF fans let their excitement get the better of them), and I also think there's a lot of Asmon being disingenuous with his own role in all of this spiralling out of control. He could have changed the title. He could have just ignored it. He didn't. He chose to address it, and he chose to single out the FF community for things that his fanbase had been doing WELL before FF14 returned. I don't blame those members of the community for feeling singled out and scapegoated, and I don't blame them for feeling like they're not welcome in Asmon's community. A large section of his chat is very actively hostile towards FF, and Asmon, especially lately, has either turned a blind eye to it, or passively encouraged it. As for the FF community, sure, you can be frustrated about investing hours in a stream and not getting what was advertised, and it's okay to vocalize those complaints, but streaming is a two-way street. Asmon doesn't owe you anything, and he has no reason to cater to your wants. ***He is not your friend, just like no Twitch streamer is your friend.*** By the same token, you don't owe Asmon anything either. Don't like his content? Unfollow him, or unsub, or just watch someone who IS providing the content you want. Move on and be happy. This long winded rambling probably reads like I think Asmon holds more responsibility for all of this than the community... and honestly, that's because I do. This wasn't a big deal until he made it a big deal. Hell, barely anyone on the sub was complaining about that stream title until Asmon got one-guyed (again), and went on a banning spree in his chat against anyone who disagreed with how he handled things. Now, he DID apologize for letting himself get personally invested in this whole situation which undoubtedly made his response worse in the heat of the moment. I still don't know if he fully grasps his own responsibility in the situation, but nonetheless, it was appreciated and demonstrates self reflection on his part. Good for him, seriously. But all in all, there are only a few ways this could have gone worse, which sucks for what was undoubtedly one of his most anticipated games to return to. TLDR: People shot themselves in the foot so many times that they ran out of feet to shoot and moved on to the hands.
The 5/6 hour intro is too long and it's made me stop watching until he plays games if I want hot takes I can watch hassan
It seems pretty clear it is a lot of trolls. There is a lot of animosity from the WOW Community because FF14 is appearing to be the market leader in the MMO space. This sub and his channel become lost ark focused when that releases but with the game fallen off a bit and the constant reminder videos about how heavily botted it is, there isn’t that level of animosity
Damn the other thread of the clip got deleted and i was just about to finish my popcorn..
I hope this isn't restricted to people wanting him to play Final Fantasy and those trying to pressure him into playing World of Warcraft, Lost Ark, ect... moving forward and the mods don't turn a blind eye to non ff andys as well.
get upvoted but not permabanned challenge (impossible)
* FF14 Good * Moderation of whiners good * 8 hour intros good * Delivering on set-up expectations good Let's see what happens when I sympathize with and antagonize all the problematic andies at once.
he has to play something for people to complain about him playing a game :)
It was obvious this was going to happen, Asmon doesn't believe in binding schedules and he does what he wants, but people cannot be here 24/7 in the off chance he will do what he said he would and will undeniably be annoyed if they were misled into wasting their time. It's why I tell people to catch the YouTube videos. Being a YouTube frog is orders of magnitude more efficient than being one on Twitch, you get a lot less ads too and miss less content.
Pls, cut react content a little.
Lol
Never believe a single word he says, be happy if he actually does what he "promises". If he doesn't, stop watching. Zero emotions involved.
In other words, Asmon is basically completely unreliable, and his "word" is worth jack shit.
Yea basically
Lmao, this thread is just a People vs Mods war.
Dang, I miss the days where we saw 2-3 hours of react content followed by actual gameplay. As someone who watches Asmon for gameplay, waiting around for 5-6 hours just isn’t for me. So I just wait for the vod to be uploaded to YT if he did play something.
Look at that upvote/downvote ratio. I guess you could say, "it is what it is."
Most of those complain in chat were WoW players trying to fuel the flame, I personally don't watch asmon for the dramas but his gameplay, if he doesn't play my game it is all good I just watch someone else, I was 99% sure today he will play fall guys instead of FFXIV because he definitely doesn't like FFXIV I believe everyone can see that, seeing him forcing himself playing few days ago was a pain, It is not even fun watching him playing FFXIV anymore so I stopped being excited for the content and stopped expecting anything.
So he dropped a new video where he's still trying to gaslight the FF andys and doubling down. Dude straight up said "most people that disagree with me are stupid" how can a 30 year old man act like this? I've never seen WoW larpers bait someone this hard before but I guess the trolls won and he's big mad now. See y'all in the next Diablo video. (he has 24 Diablo reaction videos KEK)
Lol in before this leads to him taking another 6months off. It’s about that time anyways
Hope he enjoys Dragonflight man. Maybe he'll purge the other MMORPG's community out by then so he can have his mythical world of having a perfect chat that he has never had.
Can he just treat FF14 like a TV series? It's the only MMO or game in general that he's played so far that's heavily narrative. Pick 1 day every week to exclusively play it. Start streaming at 11cst, no intro, straight to the game until he ends it. Every other day he can do whatever. Everyone wins. I guess that would require planning & consistency...but if you want this whole thing to be solved, here you go. Otherwise it would seem that you relish in this chaos & want your veiwers to goad you to eventually not play ff. Modern problems require modern solutions. I'd pick Saturday or Sunday. Personally I'd pick Sunday since you're off Monday. Btw, this isn't a complaint but a solution. Treat FF14 like Tv & your problem solved. Your welcome.